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Post by seabass on Feb 15, 2018 12:10:41 GMT -6
I believe you can edit a post but I don't know how.
I get what you are saying...respect OR fear...still don't believe in fear as the best motivator...JMO
As to how to get a player to do what he's supposed to do when he doesn't respect you....I don't know that I would spend time trying to figure that out. I would spend my time figuring out how to earn the respect of that kid.
Often times we don't respect those we don't trust. We rarely trust a person who doesn't have our best interest in mind. Most of us have our player's best interest in mind...but there have to be a few who aren't sure about that.
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Post by seabass on Feb 15, 2018 11:08:58 GMT -6
I like your list! There is some really good stuff to live by on that list.
My only exception is the "fear" thing...if you mean it in the way it sounds.
Fear and respect are not the same thing and too often mentioned in the same sentences. I 100% agree that people will go to great lengths for a person they respect....they will only go so far out of fear....even when the ultimate fear (death) is the potential consequence.
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Post by seabass on Jan 9, 2018 14:37:45 GMT -6
I don't know how you build it, but Jalen Hurts was the epitome of a team player last night. 25 and 2 as a starter for, playing in the national championship games, gets benched at halftime, and is the 1st one to celebrate with the freshman QB for each of the 3 touchdown passes as well as helping coach him up on the sideline. His dad is a coach and by all accounts a great guy. Before we start taking ourselves waaaay too seriously again, let's not forget that the character and type of teammates these kids are has a lot more to do with their background and upbringing than anything we do. Not trying to be a jerk, but let's not forget the other alabama kid who went after the coach on the sideline and was allowed back in the game. Not sure where that is in the Alabama "culture manual" as to the OP's question....I know of one good way to foster a team mentality, kick off a talented turd. It sends a message to the team that the rules apply across the board, it brings them together. I heard a story of a team this past season, two kids were pretty much doing whatever they wanted and showing up when they felt like it...they were eventually given some punishment to do but refused, said they would quit first....so the HC told them they could do less punishment if they didn't quit and situation was resolved members of the team approached the HC and told him that they would rather he allow the kids to quit......he refused and told them to worry about practicing harder and let him worry about who is on the team. Apparently that locker room was pretty toxic I didn't know Hurt's dad is a coach but it was pretty obvious that he had been raised by some good people. My freshman son's comment was, "he sounds like a coaches kid."
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Post by seabass on Dec 12, 2017 11:36:37 GMT -6
I don't think teaching leadership is a wasted effort but I do think we have the cart way ahead of the horse many times.
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Post by seabass on Dec 12, 2017 11:34:26 GMT -6
Honestly, every leadership class or workshop I have ever been to is nothing more than common sense. True, but "common sense" doesn't seem to be so common, anymore. I don't use the term "common sense" anymore because the "sense" we are all referring to isn't common. I started using the term term "not so common sense." Most of the time someone either corrects me or simply laughs.
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Post by seabass on Dec 11, 2017 12:58:32 GMT -6
I still think the best method for developing leadership skills in player's is to model good leadership behavior ourselves.
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Post by seabass on Nov 13, 2017 20:36:29 GMT -6
I live in the NW and spend a lot of time in sub-freezing weather. Cabelas ECWS polar base layer. You won't be cold and it's not bulky. ECWS stands for extended cold weather system. That stuff will make UA cold gear feel like wearing a thong.
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Post by seabass on Nov 13, 2017 20:35:08 GMT -6
I live in the NW and spend a lot of time in sub-freezing weather. Cabelas ECWS polar base layer. You won't be cold and it's not bulky. ECWS stands for extended cold weather system.
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Post by seabass on Oct 24, 2017 14:29:12 GMT -6
A face to face meeting is the best way to cover these things...IMO. Sending an accompanying document home with parents is a good idea too but I wouldn't rely on a piece of pare to convey your conviction to the policies. Maybe you already do that.
Expectations for practice attendance is at the top of my list of things to cover in a parent meeting. The more clear and defined you are the more likely it is that everybody meets your expectation. If they know you are dead serious and unwavering to your policy, most will do what they can to adhere to it.
I coached a Pop Warner team for 5 years. We had team rules in regards to practice attendance and playing time. We were required to get every kid 10 snaps if they were in inform...BUT we didn't have to allow them to suit up. I suspended the same player twice in one season for unexcused miised practices. The first time he sat for a half, we got him his 10 plays and sat him the remainder of the game. The second time (same season) I didn't allow him to suit up for the game, he was suspended for that entire game.
We defined "excused" and "unexcused" practices. I felt like there were some legitimate reasons for missing a practice, you might not feel the same, that's up to you. Any practice that was missed without prior notification was considered unexcused regardless of the reason. Even if excused, a starter would not start a game in which he missed a practice.
Never assume anything is implied! I laid out the same set of rules every year and practice participation was never an issue. One year I had mostly returners and brushed over practice expectations. It only took 2 weeks for it to become an issue. that was my fault...lesson learned.
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Post by seabass on Oct 16, 2017 21:59:04 GMT -6
I live in the NW. It seems like our state burns every summer/fall. We have lost practices and had had games rescheduled 2 of the last 3 years. This year we lost 6 days of practice and had games rescheduled our firs 2 weeks. It's not ideal but it happens.
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Post by seabass on Oct 5, 2017 13:54:46 GMT -6
Whatever generation is in schools now is far from kind to one another. For every 2 helping a flooded team mate there’s another 4-5 encouraging someone to die on social media. Or, to their face. This is another issue that is being created by social media and technology. We had a big blowout during a study hall last year because some kids were sending nasty Snapchats to another student in the class. He went ballistic, chucked a desk across the room and had to be dragged away from another student. He would have kicked the chit out of anyone he got his hands on. I had the students that were picking at him in my next period and they were all talking tough. I was furious with them. I told them point blank that I doubted any of them actually had the guts to say to his face what they were sending over social media. It's pretty rare that a student sees me angry so they just sat there and took the tirade. Technology is producing a generation of chick chits. That is true! There is a lot more "fake tough guy" than there used to be.
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Post by seabass on Oct 5, 2017 12:29:23 GMT -6
All old people sound the same...I'm old too....My only real issue with this generation is that their addiction to technology is hindering their ability to communicate. It's pretty damn hard to get anywhere without being able to effectively communicate.
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Post by seabass on Oct 4, 2017 12:29:26 GMT -6
Coach weve had refs tell our 8th grade kids to ease up on several occasions. Its easy to get physical mismatches between teams and players at that level so I understand the protective nature of refs but when my pulling guard is hitting a DE that's larger than him and the ref is telling him "theres no need for all that" because he knocked him down weve got a problem. Tell the DE to man up or get off the field I totally agree! I have been in plenty of games where there were a lot of physical mismatches as well...on the good side and the bad side of the mismatch...I get that. The tackle that drew the comment from the official came from our 120# SS against a much bigger FB. Our guy's only chance was to be as physical as he could be.
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Post by seabass on Oct 4, 2017 11:55:26 GMT -6
I coach 8th grader's so my perspective is a little different but our kids are the next generation of HS football player's.
I have had 2 really weird things happen in our games this year. Our first game opponent quit at the half. The official came to me with :45 left in the 2nd quarter and requested that we take a knee to end the half. The opposing coach had already informed him that they would not be playing the second half. I asked why and he told me the other coach was afraid his player's were going to get hurt.
Last week I had an official ask me if it was necessary for our guy's to be hitting as hard as they were. I asked him if we were too high with our targets or if we had guys late to the pile etc.. He said we were all clean but we could get the job done with less force.
Both of those were a first for me.
Several coaches have stated that maybe the emphasis on safety has made the game softer...or made their player's hesitant. That could definitely be true in some cases. We decided to address the safety issue by becoming as fundamentally sound as we could be. IMO, that has actually made our kids more physical but in a safer way.
I admit I bought in to Coach Carroll's stuff late BUT last year we went all in. We used pieces of hawk tackling before but we (our coaches) were all brought up in the "bite the ball" method and that was hard to shake. Once we started getting the head behind and implemented ALL of Coach Carroll's stuff, we actually became more violent than we ever were before.
As an 8th grade coach, I believe my job is to create the most fundamentally sound player's I can so that's where we spend our time and 1/3 of our practice time is dedicated to tackling...from the first practice to the last. Our kids have become so confident that their head is out of the tackle, even our "worst" players are pretty violent tacklers.
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Post by seabass on Sept 30, 2017 21:33:09 GMT -6
I have an affinity for prime members. I like amazon as well, but I dont prefer people with Prime over those that dont. Typo...I meant prime numbers.
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Post by seabass on Sept 29, 2017 15:19:45 GMT -6
I have an affinity for prime members.
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Post by seabass on Sept 29, 2017 12:47:52 GMT -6
We were in that situation 3 years ago. 26 kids trying to play 11 man. One time I had 16 trying to play 11 man (it's almost impossible). It's a rough line of demanding what is needed to win and not pissing off the kids you have that give you a chance to win. You need to win to build the program but without the older kids you're not going to win. Set a standard but you will have to be slightly lax on some stuff. Somethings you have no choice but to be strict or have a hard and fast rule on it. Drugs/alcohol, attendance, classroom behavior, somewhat grades, etc. If you have good kids that want to work hard or win it's a lot easier. If you don't, or you don't have the administration backing, leave. Even if that means giving up a HC position. Life is too short to coach at a miserable, unwinnable program. Every state has those schools. Now we are in a situation where we've raised the bar and a winning season is an expectation. But we are fighting the battle of kids thinking the effort and work they put in last year to go 10-2 is good enough to go 15-0. That battle is completely different. And this is where I am at coach. It is a rock and a hard place because I am stern and demand discipline naturally but these kids never have had any and fixing them now when they are broken is almost impossible. We complain about having to hit in practice and complain about having to condition. Realistically I have 10 guys that are ready to step onto a varsity field and if I chase them off we will get murdered by everyone we play. However, if I allow this to continue we will just stay stagnant and not get any better. It's easy for you guys with 50-100 guys on your team to say just set the bar high and run them off. What if I said the one kid that the cancer and poor effort starts with is the board presidents son? Stumped as to how we will ever be like a normal team if I can't get them to give me great effort. I just told you guys the exact situation, so what do you do knowing if I chase guys off we won't even be competitive? You can't allow yourself to be held hostage by your players. They will never respect you! If you think you will go 1-7 with those "key guys", you should call their bluff and let them leave...1-7 isn't good. I get it that you have made some progress and you don't want that interrupted but how do you get to 5-3? You can't do that while being held hostage. Those seniors are going to be gone next year. Meanwhile you are letting all the juniors and sophomores know that the players run the program. Clearly, they suck at it. If you maintain your standards you might lose a couple guys for this season. If you relax your standards you should expect that this is the gift that will keep on giving and you are likely to be a victim again.
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Post by seabass on Sept 21, 2017 12:37:57 GMT -6
IMO...MS, Freshman and JV ball should be about fundamental player development, which is hard to accomplish when you aren't competitive. The really good coaches, at the younger levels, figure out how to develop ALL their players, not just the good player's AND while remaining competitive. I'm not saying they win them all but they hang and bang with as many teams as is feasible and win their share.
How many people would go to work for 3 months without a paycheck? Game days are pay days for players. Not everybody gets paid the same but nobody works for free...that's not real life. If a kid shows up and puts in an honest weeks work, he's gotta get paid somehow. I'm sure some of you who have co-worker's that aren't very good. I'm guessing they all get paid.
It should be easy when you win going away but I still see coaches with too many idle players while being up 28. In tight games 2's and 3's don't play as much. That's real life too.
Parents are clueless and don't think about the big picture. They will be the same folks that complain about depth when their kid is on varsity.
I recently attended 2 practices at a very famous HS, they won a TON of games in a row, like the most ever in the history of sports. They had a very developmental approach to their freshman/JV teams
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Post by seabass on Sept 18, 2017 14:57:31 GMT -6
Looking back at it, I would have sent my boys to specialty camps when they were 6. I would have paid decent money to a coach that could have taught them to tie their own shoes and not pee on the floor next to the toilet. I clearly didn't have the chops to get those 2 jobs done.
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Post by seabass on Sept 15, 2017 10:12:08 GMT -6
You aren't even half way home on your season!
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Post by seabass on Sept 14, 2017 15:47:29 GMT -6
Dude...you're young...in fact still young enough that you count the half year when you state your age. You have a TON of time to get back in the game...figuratively and literally. What you don't have is enough money to afford your pride. Move back home and get your chit together. Do whatever it takes!
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Post by seabass on Sept 13, 2017 15:35:09 GMT -6
I used to coach with "that" guy. We called him the "whiteboard wizard." His position group was routinely our weakest link.
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Post by seabass on Aug 31, 2017 16:29:35 GMT -6
Holy smokes! I know this is all true....but it sounds made up.
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Post by seabass on Aug 24, 2017 11:40:50 GMT -6
Thank you for starting this thread. If we aren't going to talk football, at least we can get off the subject of "pants and shoes."
There have been several good suggestions. I wouldn't leave anything to chance. You clearly need some rest, rather than trying them one at a time, do all of them on the same night.
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Post by seabass on Aug 21, 2017 15:55:11 GMT -6
That was the biggest non-event since Y2K. I live in an area that only had like a 90% blockage. No way humanly possible that you could have looked at it long enough to get hurt.
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Post by seabass on Aug 2, 2017 10:54:50 GMT -6
I believe football has a few important/special aspects that the others don't. You could argue that they aren't worth the cost but I believe I would win an argument that football IS different in several ways. That is by no means meant to be combative or to derail a civil thread...just what I believe. I am game : -- toughness? I will take wrestlers over football players for toughness. Hell, as much as I knock it for a sports training program, crossfit as a competitive sport probably produces more mentally tough athletes than football. --Teamwork? While it doesn't seem like something that would be said on a football message board, robotics teams probably showcase teamwork (especially as will be utilized as an adult) more than athletics. To what aspects are you referring? These are a few of the special opportunities unique to football: 1-Football is more inclusive than the other sports. In part due to the shear number of participants it requires but also because of the varying body types and skill sets it requires. A basketball team only has 1-2 spots for a short kid and that's only if the short kid has some other skill that is hard to find. A baseball team only has room for 1-2 kids that are 5'11" and 250 unless you have 5 of those dudes who can pitch or mash. A football team has all kinds of room for 5'11" 250# dudes. There are other examples but you get the point. So...becasue football requires a lot of dudes it also creates the most athletic opportunities for the male portion of the student body where as those kids may not have many other athletic opportunities. 2- COST- To the participant. It is cheaper to play than basketball, baseball or soccer. If you are a top tier baseball, basketball or soccer player, you are playing those sports most of the summer in a traveling fashion. At least where I live. That might not be true everywhere. I paid $6k for my son to play travel baseball over the summer and he played against 100's of other kids whose parent did the same. AAU basketball and premier soccer are the same way in our area. Not to mention all of the specialized skills that have to be learned and the guys that teach those skills typically charge money as well. Most of the work a football player needs to do is on his body and that isn't expensive...usually 3-Delayed Gratification -has been discussed but I still believe is a bigger deal in football and very important. Most football players are going to get a practice to game ratio of 5/1 or something close to that. The other 3 sports have damn near as many game days as they do practice days when you add in all of the tournaments and summer league games. I always tell our guys that practices are work days and games are paydays. I get a pay day twice/month but I work 5 days/week. Football's pay cycle is a little more real world. 4-The different job descriptions and duties on a football team also more closely resemble the diversity of a workplace. I have no f'ing clue what our nerd does to make my computer work with all of the other computers in my office but I know I can't do my job until he does his. Unfortunately, for him, my job is way more glamorous and I get paid more than him. Regardless, I'm powerless without him. Football teams aren't that different. Not too many players know what another's job is EVEN IF THEY DO, many of them couldn't do the other's job and a few players get much of the glory from the unknowing. 5-PHYSICAL COMBAT- Lots of boys need and want this. I realize you can find this in other sports but nowhere can you find physical combat as a team. I think there is value in that. There is a unique confidence that comes from being tested in a combative nature. Not everyone needs it but many do. I have a few more but this post is already way longer than I like. Coachd5085- You had to name several different activities to come up with various positive aspects of football. All 5 of mine can be found individually in other activities as well but football has the potential to check all of your boxes and some of mine in 1 place.
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Post by seabass on Aug 1, 2017 16:01:26 GMT -6
...but that is not the way media is covering it...the headline is "99% of NFL Players Die With CTE", not "99% of NFL Players WHO THOUGHT THEY HAD CTE Die With CTE". What about the thousands that didn't donate their brains because they didn't have symptoms? The average non-football person who doesn't read until that sentence about needing more research could easily take away that an NFL career is a death sentence by CTE when it probably is not. We understand that & the researchers do to, but in most news stories I've listened to, seen or read that is not mentioned. That is why this has been regarded as "fake news" by groundchuck & others earlier in the thread. Most people remember the headlines, especially if they already have pre-conceived notions or agendas. Do we need to be very cognizant of limiting contact & collisions...YES. Is every football player, especially those that don't go past an 8-9 year career going to have CTE...I'm not sure...probably not as others have pointed out otherwise there would be millions of men who played HS & College Football with CTE. For every story of that 1 guy who had it for sure by age 25 or 30 there are 10000+ who didn't. Football is risky. Let's be up front about that, but also let's be up front about the value it has in teaching young men delayed gratification of how to work hard for months as part of a team throughout the off-season(s) towards a long term goal (9-14 games) and most importantly how we now minimize the risks associated with it. The tricky part coach, is that if you try to go the route I have underlined, it can easily be argued that those things can be achieved from participating in other sports/activities. I believe football has a few important/special aspects that the others don't. You could argue that they aren't worth the cost but I believe I would win an argument that football IS different in several ways. That is by no means meant to be combative or to derail a civil thread...just what I believe.
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Post by seabass on Aug 1, 2017 15:55:10 GMT -6
I heard a PT say that most people over the age of 40 have some degree of a bulging disc but that doesn't guarantee they will ever suffer from symptoms related to the disc.
I wonder if we will eventually find out that CTE is similar? Maybe it turns out that lots of us (football players and non football players) have some degree of CTE just because we lived long enough for the brain to have it happen but it never gets to a point that it impacts our lives?
Not a statement but real question.
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Post by seabass on Jul 31, 2017 16:28:47 GMT -6
The amount of negative press about football over the last 2 years is impacting participation all over the country. It started in the youth leagues and it will work its way up. I know some of you believe the youth game gains and loses popularity all the time but that hasn't impacted HS football. I believe this time it's different. Parents aren't allowing their kids to play football because they believe it to be too dangerous. A different kind of dangerous. That won't change as they get older.
You are probably right.
But your reply did not help OP or others in a similar situation.
Any positive suggestions?
Sorry about that! I think we have to start selling football to parents. Unfortunately, that won't help the OP with his problem for this season. I have been leading a grass roots effort in my area of the world. I made up a presentation that I have been giving to any group that will allow me the 20 minute it takes. So far it has been a handful of service groups. I believe football has some unique opportunities for kids that the other sports don't provide. My presentation highlights those and puts the concussion issue into a context that I think is more realistic.
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Post by seabass on Jul 31, 2017 15:46:24 GMT -6
The amount of negative press about football over the last 2 years is impacting participation all over the country. It started in the youth leagues and it will work its way up.
I know some of you believe the youth game gains and loses popularity all the time but that hasn't impacted HS football. I believe this time it's different. Parents aren't allowing their kids to play football because they believe it to be too dangerous. A different kind of dangerous. That won't change as they get older.
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