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Post by scarletandcream on Sept 26, 2017 20:30:20 GMT -6
Hey all, let me first start out by saying I am a young first time head coach (2nd year as head) and last year I took over a program and the state I am in that might literally be the hardest place to coach at and be successful. The place has been absolutely garbage for all of history outside of one winning season they had 12 years ago (also only time the program has made the playoffs).
With this being said, we are SOOO much better than we were last year. We are 1-3 and probably will end up 1-7 like we were last year but we will have been in every game we have played in this year at half (within two scores) and last year 6 of 8 games were 40 or 50 to nothing at half with running clock in third quarter. Yes we are an 8 man team.
My question is HOW do I get a team of only 24 guys to give me great efffort in practice so it will translate on Friday nights. My problem is I have a few seniors who don't care and want to give 40% in practice and then somehow turn it on on Friday nights. My assistant who has been here for six year says this is how it is every year. Kids pack it in and already want the season to be over when we aren't even half way through the season.
Tonight at a JV game was the first time I have heard some of the things my older kids say come out of my younger kids mouth. I jumped all over them of course but I am worried that these kids will pick up the bad habits of my older kids and won't ever learn to give great effort and I will still be in this same situation in two years.
So how do you do it? How do you get a group of guys who is use to losing by a million miles and use to having people tell them it's okay you don't have try if you don't want to and turn them around and get them to practice all out 100% like they want to win?
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Post by coachbw on Sept 26, 2017 21:08:52 GMT -6
I am sure you will get many recommendations, but here is an outside the box one. Is there a successful college program or large high school program where you could bring the captains, seniors, or team to watch a practice? One of the things that I found when I took over a perennial door mat program was that none of them knew what a good practice looked like. My first year at that program, we actually started by taking some of the coaches who hadn't been in a winning program before to see some other people practice. I know that it can be tough to work out the scheduling of it around your own practice schedule, but it might be worth looking into.
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Post by newt21 on Sept 27, 2017 4:23:24 GMT -6
Find some videos on YouTube of teams in weight room and practice (most have music), not only will it get them pumped but they'll see what a real work ethic looks like
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Post by brophy on Sept 27, 2017 5:33:01 GMT -6
I have a few seniors who don't care and want to give 40% in practice and then somehow turn it on on Friday nights. so why are they still playing? why are they allowed to rob the underclassmen from playing time? I get low numbers, but if they know they aren't going to be out there for 3 hours trudging along, they may be able to direct their energy in short bursts. This should have been addressed in the summer, though. You operate a defined tempo and intensity at the start of camp and hold everyone to that standard. If one guy isn't hustling out of the huddle, off the sideline, to the sideline, aligning....then EVERYONE runs immediately. You aren't going to fix this poor leadership after the 5th game, so may as well start on the underclassmen.
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Post by **** on Sept 27, 2017 5:40:14 GMT -6
Set a standard and demand that it will be met every single day.
Raise the bar each year.
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Post by aceback76 on Sept 27, 2017 6:09:10 GMT -6
Hey all, let me first start out by saying I am a young first time head coach (2nd year as head) and last year I took over a program and the state I am in that might literally be the hardest place to coach at and be successful. The place has been absolutely garbage for all of history outside of one winning season they had 12 years ago (also only time the program has made the playoffs). With this being said, we are SOOO much better than we were last year. We are 1-3 and probably will end up 1-7 like we were last year but we will have been in every game we have played in this year at half (within two scores) and last year 6 of 8 games were 40 or 50 to nothing at half with running clock in third quarter. Yes we are an 8 man team. My question is HOW do I get a team of only 24 guys to give me great efffort in practice so it will translate on Friday nights. My problem is I have a few seniors who don't care and want to give 40% in practice and then somehow turn it on on Friday nights. My assistant who has been here for six year says this is how it is every year. Kids pack it in and already want the season to be over when we aren't even half way through the season. Tonight at a JV game was the first time I have heard some of the things my older kids say come out of my younger kids mouth. I jumped all over them of course but I am worried that these kids will pick up the bad habits of my older kids and won't ever learn to give great effort and I will still be in this same situation in two years. So how do you do it? How do you get a group of guys who is use to losing by a million miles and use to having people tell them it's okay you don't have try if you don't want to and turn them around and get them to practice all out 100% like they want to win? Obviously, they lack confidence. Give them a "check up from the neck up". You must control the mind before the body. As famous leaders like Napoleon, Stonewall Jackson, George Patton, Coach Ara Parseghian all said: "The mental is 4 to 1 over the physical". Study everything you can get your hands on re: MOTIVATION (rather than football X & O's) ! CONVINCE them that if they all play to the BEST of their abilities, things CAN change!
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Post by **** on Sept 27, 2017 6:29:07 GMT -6
We were in that situation 3 years ago.
26 kids trying to play 11 man. One time I had 16 trying to play 11 man (it's almost impossible).
It's a rough line of demanding what is needed to win and not pissing off the kids you have that give you a chance to win. You need to win to build the program but without the older kids you're not going to win. Set a standard but you will have to be slightly lax on some stuff. Somethings you have no choice but to be strict or have a hard and fast rule on it. Drugs/alcohol, attendance, classroom behavior, somewhat grades, etc.
If you have good kids that want to work hard or win it's a lot easier. If you don't, or you don't have the administration backing, leave. Even if that means giving up a HC position. Life is too short to coach at a miserable, unwinnable program. Every state has those schools.
Now we are in a situation where we've raised the bar and a winning season is an expectation. But we are fighting the battle of kids thinking the effort and work they put in last year to go 10-2 is good enough to go 15-0. That battle is completely different.
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Post by scarletandcream on Sept 27, 2017 6:53:12 GMT -6
We were in that situation 3 years ago. 26 kids trying to play 11 man. One time I had 16 trying to play 11 man (it's almost impossible). It's a rough line of demanding what is needed to win and not pissing off the kids you have that give you a chance to win. You need to win to build the program but without the older kids you're not going to win. Set a standard but you will have to be slightly lax on some stuff. Somethings you have no choice but to be strict or have a hard and fast rule on it. Drugs/alcohol, attendance, classroom behavior, somewhat grades, etc. If you have good kids that want to work hard or win it's a lot easier. If you don't, or you don't have the administration backing, leave. Even if that means giving up a HC position. Life is too short to coach at a miserable, unwinnable program. Every state has those schools. Now we are in a situation where we've raised the bar and a winning season is an expectation. But we are fighting the battle of kids thinking the effort and work they put in last year to go 10-2 is good enough to go 15-0. That battle is completely different. And this is where I am at coach. It is a rock and a hard place because I am stern and demand discipline naturally but these kids never have had any and fixing them now when they are broken is almost impossible. We complain about having to hit in practice and complain about having to condition. Realistically I have 10 guys that are ready to step onto a varsity field and if I chase them off we will get murdered by everyone we play. However, if I allow this to continue we will just stay stagnant and not get any better. It's easy for you guys with 50-100 guys on your team to say just set the bar high and run them off. What if I said the one kid that the cancer and poor effort starts with is the board presidents son? Stumped as to how we will ever be like a normal team if I can't get them to give me great effort. I just told you guys the exact situation, so what do you do knowing if I chase guys off we won't even be competitive?
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Post by aceback76 on Sept 27, 2017 6:58:15 GMT -6
A great coach has to be a great salesman. Find ways to CONVINCE them that your way is best. Not any easy job, but that is what must be done in a nutshell! MOTIVATION is still the key. Study the methods of great motivators (like Lombardi, ETC.)!
Will to Win
“The spirit, the will to win and the will to excel – these are the things that endure and these are the qualities that are so much more important than any of the events that occasion them.”
“There’s only one way to succeed in anything, and that is to give it everything. I do, and I demand that my players do.”
“The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will.”
“You never win a game unless you beat the guy in front of you. The score on the board doesn’t mean a thing. That’s for the fans. You’ve got to win the war with the man in front of you. You’ve got to get your man.”
“If you’ll not settle for anything less than your best, you will be amazed at what you can accomplish in your lives.”
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Post by scarletandcream on Sept 27, 2017 7:27:23 GMT -6
A great coach has to be a great salesman. Find ways to CONVINCE them that your way is best. Not any easy job, but that is what must be done in a nutshell! MOTIVATION is still the key. Study the methods of great motivators (like Lombardi, ETC.)! Will to Win “The spirit, the will to win and the will to excel – these are the things that endure and these are the qualities that are so much more important than any of the events that occasion them.” “There’s only one way to succeed in anything, and that is to give it everything. I do, and I demand that my players do.” “The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will.” “You never win a game unless you beat the guy in front of you. The score on the board doesn’t mean a thing. That’s for the fans. You’ve got to win the war with the man in front of you. You’ve got to get your man.” “If you’ll not settle for anything less than your best, you will be amazed at what you can accomplish in your lives.” What if no motivational quotes do anything though? These are the types of kids that would say "oh that's a nice quote" and then it would be out the other ear and they wouldn't even remember it in 5 minutes. What do you do physically in practice to get them to go? Quotes and words are nice but they don't have an effect on these kids.
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Post by **** on Sept 27, 2017 7:45:56 GMT -6
And this is where I am at coach. It is a rock and a hard place because I am stern and demand discipline naturally but these kids never have had any and fixing them now when they are broken is almost impossible. We complain about having to hit in practice and complain about having to condition. Realistically I have 10 guys that are ready to step onto a varsity field and if I chase them off we will get murdered by everyone we play. However, if I allow this to continue we will just stay stagnant and not get any better. It's easy for you guys with 50-100 guys on your team to say just set the bar high and run them off. What if I said the one kid that the cancer and poor effort starts with is the board presidents son? Stumped as to how we will ever be like a normal team if I can't get them to give me great effort. I just told you guys the exact situation, so what do you do knowing if I chase guys off we won't even be competitive? Had a very similar situation my first and second year at this school. School board presidents son was lazy and gave bad effort in practice, but I would not say he was a cancer. He turned it on in games though. Could've been an unbelievable player (probably D2 level) if he gave effort all the time. The president backed us in setting the bar high for her son and not letting him get away with stuff. If yours does not back you that is not a good situation. Set it as high as you can and some chit you're just gonna have to let go until that class is gone. Raise the bar with the next one. Numbers cure a ton of problems, small school coaches have to deal with a lot of chit big schools don't. Some problems are things big schools have never even thought of. Set the standard as high as you can to give yourself a chance to win. Winning cures everything. Winning gets you numbers next year. Success breeds success. Like I said before. It is a rough line. Keep being stern and demanding discipline. If they will hit and condition, but bitch the whole time just live with it for now. It sucks but that's all you're gonna get. If you're staying stagnant at least you're not getting worse and the younger kids are seeing what the expectations are and should be. From your first post it sounds like you are getting better though. You might still be losing but you're not getting blown out. Keep on them, if the admins back you you're fine. It's a process and this team will take a little longer than most because of past history. Get them bigger, faster, stronger in the weight room. Better athletes cure a lot of problems. If you don't have admin or parent/community backing, or a weight room then leave. It's not worth it. You, nor Nick Saban can win there. Every state has chit hole towns that will never win because they will never do things the right way.
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Post by **** on Sept 27, 2017 7:53:04 GMT -6
scarletandcreamAt least you only need 8 guys and you have 10 varsity caliber players. I've needed 11 and only had 3 before (not much to choose from when you only have 16)
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Post by scarletandcream on Sept 27, 2017 8:46:32 GMT -6
Wel coach, I'd say I have two guys right now that legitimately would win me games if I had the guys around them. I have 8 other guys that are developed but out of those guys 6 are freshman and sophomores and just aren't ready to win lots of games yet.
We have a great weight room and I have 100% absolute support from the AD and superintendent. The board is 99% behind me also but I have to be careful because of the situation with the son.
I run our weight room and we have gained some huge numbers in the past year (I've seen girls teams stronger than this team when I first got here).
Anders I appreciate all of your input it's nice to know other coaches have had this situation where you can't just be stern and run kids off.
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Post by groundchuck on Sept 27, 2017 9:02:23 GMT -6
Culture outside the practice field has to be in place too. Do all the coaches give great effort too? Starts at the top. Praise effort. Show it in film. Punish lack of effort.
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Post by aceback76 on Sept 27, 2017 9:34:45 GMT -6
A great coach has to be a great salesman. Find ways to CONVINCE them that your way is best. Not any easy job, but that is what must be done in a nutshell! MOTIVATION is still the key. Study the methods of great motivators (like Lombardi, ETC.)! Will to Win “The spirit, the will to win and the will to excel – these are the things that endure and these are the qualities that are so much more important than any of the events that occasion them.” “There’s only one way to succeed in anything, and that is to give it everything. I do, and I demand that my players do.” “The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will.” “You never win a game unless you beat the guy in front of you. The score on the board doesn’t mean a thing. That’s for the fans. You’ve got to win the war with the man in front of you. You’ve got to get your man.” “If you’ll not settle for anything less than your best, you will be amazed at what you can accomplish in your lives.” What if no motivational quotes do anything though? These are the types of kids that would say "oh that's a nice quote" and then it would be out the other ear and they wouldn't even remember it in 5 minutes. What do you do physically in practice to get them to go? Quotes and words are nice but they don't have an effect on these kids. You're missing the point. It is NOT about "quotes". It is about a coach being a salesman to the extent he can get the most from his players. That takes a degree of charisma. a degree of expertise, etc. The point is to learn the art of MOTIVATION!!!
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Post by tobc on Sept 27, 2017 9:43:21 GMT -6
it takes time to change the culture of a program that has been a perennial doormat. Lay out your expectations from the onset, stick to those expectations, and maintain consistency. eventually it will start to filter through. it will take time though. don't bolt after 2 or 3 years for greener pastures if you are really wanting to turn the program around.
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Post by aceback76 on Sept 27, 2017 10:14:04 GMT -6
The best (most USEFUL) Clinic lecture I ever heard was by Coach Ara Parseghian on "MOTIVATION". Here is an outline of that talk (too bad I don't have a TAPE of it):
The "MORALE" of you club is more important your Coaching of Technique, & Strategy:
MORALE (by Ara Parseghian):
I consider this the MOST IMPORTANT of the 4 AREAS IN BUILDING A FOOTBALL TEAM”. You've got to have the MORALE (psychological approach) to just stay in the game and make a reasonable showing. You're not going to get a damned thing out of your kids if you don't control the mind first. You've got to get control of the mind first and the body second.
The dictionary definition of what the psychological approach meaning, or what morale is: “THE SCIENCE WHICH TREATS OF THE MIND IN ANY OF IT'S ASPECTS – THE TRAITS, FEELINGS, ACTIONS, AND ATTRIBUTES COLLECTIVELY OF THE MIND”. We discuss these things as a staff. We wanted to know what we could do to improve it. What we could do to control that boy's mind but make sure that we still had him completely on our side, to give everything that we had even though we weren't the equal of our opponents. Here, we felt if we controlled the mind, we could get the maximum out of that kid. How many times have we gone into football games with everything encompassed around COACHING and STRATEGY even though we are aware of this MORALE aspect? It's kind of like falling in love, it's natural (you don't know why it happens, but it does). BUT, I think as a coach you can control it and here are some of the things we discussed.
I'm going to list all the things that CAN be factors. These are some of the ways that you can control MORALE on your club. These are things you have to be aware of, & work thru:
1. PARTICIPATION: Play as many kids as you can.
2. PHYSICAL CONDITION: Have them in top condition (fatigue makes cowards of us all).
3. ORGANIZATION: Organize and control your ball club for a maximum effort (don't stay on the field too long).
4. LOYALTY: The greatest attribute you can have from your players and coaches.
5. LEADERSHIP: Be SURE to get the right players to be the leaders.
6. TRADITION: Harder to get than it is to keep.
7. ENVIRONMENT: How does the community feel about your program (your SALESMANSHIP is important here)?
8. CONFIDENCE: Believe in what you are doing.
9. ADMINISTRATION: How does the Administration feel about it?
10. SCHEDULE: Tremendous factor!
11. INJURIES: Losing your better players to injuries.
12. EQUIPMENT: The best you can get.
13. OFFICIALS: Some of them think they're not doing a good job if they don't call penalties.
14. ELEMENTS: An equalizer when two teams are unevenly matched.
15. ACADEMIC STANDARDS:
16. CONFERENCE REGULATIONS:
17. LUCK:
NOTE: I will not have time (here during the season) to type explanations of any of these, but phone me, or contact me AFTER the season if interested.
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Post by Wingtman on Sept 27, 2017 10:25:29 GMT -6
Im 0-6, gonna be 0-7 after this weeek. I started the year with 11 seniors, 4 quit, kicked one off (starting QB), another got hurt in the off-season. Out of my "top" 10 players, 6 are sophomores, 2 are juniors. I had a heart to heart with my (new) starting QB, whos played 5 games at this spot. I laid it out for him, that with our season the way it was going, I was gonna start giving the sophomore QB reps in games, probably the 1st series of the second quarter, and the way things are going the entire 4th quarter. Same with the freshman fullback and a senior. Thanked those two seniors for believing in me and the program, still gonna let them play all of defense and make sure I give them the best chance to get into the college of their choosing. My future is now. The seniors are a part of the "old way", I was their 3rd HC in 4 years. I have high standards. I expect them to do weird stuff like come to practice, and not act a fool during practice. My soph's only know what we've taught them. They are a small class, but have ability. Gonna ride or die with those guys the rest of the way out, knowing it will be an investment in next year.
Also, totally stealing the visit another school idea. Buddy of mine just down the road has a good program and gonna ask if we can visit.
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Post by scarletandcream on Sept 27, 2017 12:41:37 GMT -6
Im 0-6, gonna be 0-7 after this weeek. I started the year with 11 seniors, 4 quit, kicked one off (starting QB), another got hurt in the off-season. Out of my "top" 10 players, 6 are sophomores, 2 are juniors. I had a heart to heart with my (new) starting QB, whos played 5 games at this spot. I laid it out for him, that with our season the way it was going, I was gonna start giving the sophomore QB reps in games, probably the 1st series of the second quarter, and the way things are going the entire 4th quarter. Same with the freshman fullback and a senior. Thanked those two seniors for believing in me and the program, still gonna let them play all of defense and make sure I give them the best chance to get into the college of their choosing. My future is now. The seniors are a part of the "old way", I was their 3rd HC in 4 years. I have high standards. I expect them to do weird stuff like come to practice, and not act a fool during practice. My soph's only know what we've taught them. They are a small class, but have ability. Gonna ride or die with those guys the rest of the way out, knowing it will be an investment in next year. Also, totally stealing the visit another school idea. Buddy of mine just down the road has a good program and gonna ask if we can visit. Sounds like you are having the type of year that I had last year. Had to kick kids off the team because they thought it was acceptable to skip practice to go fishing lol! I am like you. I will ride or die with my freshman and sophomores. My older kids have never won anything and never will. Had a senior captain tell another captain today after homecoming this Friday he is handing in his stuff because his back hurts and he can't miss wrestling. This is all I needed to hear to gage the current level of mental fragility my team has.
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Post by aceback76 on Sept 27, 2017 13:14:15 GMT -6
This may be a good place to look for ideas (on AMAZON):
The Football Psychology Workbook: How to Use Advanced Sports Psychology to Succeed on the Football Field Paperback – Large Print, January 26, 2017
by Danny Uribe MASEP (Author)
THE ONLY SPORTS PSYCHOLOGY WORKBOOK THAT’S EXCLUSIVELY DESIGNED FOR FOOTBALL PLAYERS TO BUILD MENTAL TOUGHNESS AND BOOST THEIR ATHLETIC PERFORMANCE
Players hear it all the time…
”Football is 90% Mental, and 10% Physical”
"It's All in Your Head"
"The Only One that Can Stop You is You"
"You have to be Mental Tough!"
But what exactly do those sayings mean??? Without something concrete, it's difficult for players to understand what it specifically takes to have a mental approach primed for success.
And rather than have a debate with someone who knows nothing about mental training or sports psychology... or read about theories and mental hacks that may or may not work off some random website...why not use a detailed, interactive, and engaging workbook that shows and teaches athletes how specific Sports Psychology concepts directly impact their performance on the football field?
That's exactly what you've found here!
Through 10 Dynamic Exercises... we take athlete's on a journey through the Most debilitating Mental and Emotional Obstacles faced by the Vast Majority of Competitors including:
-Decreased Levels in Motivation
-Lack of Goal-Setting Capability
-Suppressing Unwanted Thoughts
-An Inability to get "In a Zone"
-Experiencing Overwhelming Pre-Game Jitters, Nerves, and Anxiety
-Overcoming Serious and Debilitating Injuries
-Zero Formal Education of Necessary Mental Skills such as Mental Imagery and Self-Talk
-Playing without Confidence
-Not Being Able to Focus when it Matters Most
When Athletes Suffer and become Victim to one or multiple issues mentioned above...it becomes Incredibly Difficult for them to maintain a positive frame of mind not only in sports but in life in general. And unfortunately in society today all athletes are under the spot light as they are judged by many of their friends, family, and peers by the level of success they have on the field, which makes it absolutely crucial for athletes to be mentally tough and resilient.
Thus, after completing our workbook athletes will undoubtedly be equipped with the Mental Tools to:
1. Develop Supreme Confidence in their Skills and Abilities to Flourish
2. Build Mental Toughness and Resilience to Overcome Obstacles
3. Learn to Handle Intense Pressure and Paralyzing Adversity
4. Conquer their Crippling Fears and Severe Anxiety
5. Be Mentally Ready to Compete and Dominate their Competition
6. Come Back from Injury Better and Stronger than Before
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Choking Under Pressure During Crucial Moments of a Game, Sitting on the Bench Game after Game despite All your Hard Work and Effort, Becoming accustomed to Losing Over and Over, not Stepping Up when the team Needs it Most, and being Unable to see any Progress toward Improving and Reaching Success can be EXTEMELY PAINFUL, DISAPPOINTING, and DISCOURAGING. This STOPS TODAY! Fulfill your Potential, and Finally Play Great the way you've Always Envisioned.
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Post by coachcb on Sept 27, 2017 13:29:54 GMT -6
1. Boot the kids that are skipping practice, period.There's just no room for that in a program, winning or losing. Practice isn't voluntary..
2.Sit the slacking upper-classmen and play the younger guys. Reward effort with playing time. Punish the sloths by putting them on the bench.
These are your starting spots. You'll end up with lower numbers but the kids you're left with are the ones that have respect for the program and for the game.
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Post by 54695469 on Sept 27, 2017 15:14:53 GMT -6
Read Randy Jackson's book and spend the entire of-season changing your program's culture.
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Post by scarletandcream on Sept 28, 2017 7:09:52 GMT -6
Well I did some of the things you guys said. I kicked a kid who is dead weight off the team yesterday, and I gave the captains two options. We can either practice at 100% intensity and get off the field at 5:30 now starting every night OR we can continue to practice like dog crap and at the end of the practice we can just line up and run and stay on the field until 6:30. Last night we had our best practice of the year. Haven't ever seen so much hitting and cracking going on it on of our practices even I was jacked!
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Post by 53 on Sept 28, 2017 7:45:18 GMT -6
Have an organized practice plan that flows. I'd plan different periods with competitions throughout practice, so they learn how to compete and win plus have a little fun.
Most places that are historically bad have horrible practice structure and waste a lot of time getting nothing done.
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Post by 50slantstrong on Sept 28, 2017 9:23:55 GMT -6
I'd second the idea that you should go have your players watch a big time successful program practice. Hell, just watching it makes me a better coach...
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Post by Coach Vint on Sept 28, 2017 9:50:09 GMT -6
Do you have clear expectations? We have a 3 strike policy with attendance. If you are going to miss practice you tell the head coach and your position coach before practice. If you miss practice (excused) you don't play the first quarter. Miss two practices and you miss the game. If you have an unexcused absence you don't play. If you have 3 unexcused absences you are off the team. This was about more than football. This was about being a man and being responsible. If you miss work you can get fired, and then you can't put food on the table for your family.
We have a very detailed practice plan. Each coach has competitive drills during individual period. One thing we did to pick up practice a few years ago was to go to 4 minute periods. This helped practice move along. At most places I have been we were very efficient with practice. We don't have any standing around. We don't practice more than 2 hours on Monday and Tuesday, and we go 80 minutes on Weds. This keeps kids involved and we don't have the lull.
We constantly praise great effort. We criticize poor effort. Kids want praise. They want to hear that you are pleased with them. Find good stuff and praise it. It can be hard.
At one of the biggest turnarounds I was a part of we had to kill the cancer before it spread. We had low numbers and didn't let kids who didn't show up in the summer play. Our second year we actually kicked 3 seniors to be off the team. They didn't show up all summer and then showed up the first day of two-a-days. The expectations were clear. If you don't show up to 50% of summer workouts, you don't play. You can guarantee every year after that we rarely had kids miss a lot of summer workouts.
It all starts with expectations and what you allow. Permitting is promoting. They don't know how to work hard, so you have to show them. It starts with your coaches. Your coaches set the tone each day. Your enthusiasm and effort will carry over to the kids. If coaches have their hands in their pockets and don't have enthusiasm, your kids will follow. If your coaches are jacked up and getting after it, the kids will get after it. It isn't easy. It takes great effort from coaches every single day.
Your coaches must be unified and together. If you have coaches talking behind each others backs, you will not be as good as you can be. If a coach talks about another coach behind his back, fire him. It is better to coach a man down than coach with a cancer on your staff. If your coaches aren't unified, your players won't be unified.
Finally, relationships are vital. Your players must know that you care. That starts with spending time with them away from football. You also have to see them for what they can be, not what they are. You have to tell them they can be an all-state player. I am going to coach you to be D-1, you have to work like it. If you want to be coached to be average, go somewhere else.
The suggestion of watching someone else practice is great. We took our captains to a Rutgers practice many years ago when I was coaching out East. We also took our whole team to a Jet practice when Herm Edwards was there. It was eye opening. Coach Edwards talked to the team about effort and discipline, and believing in themselves. It was a huge deal that helped our program.
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Post by chidesta on Sept 28, 2017 12:27:26 GMT -6
Im 0-6, gonna be 0-7 after this weeek. I started the year with 11 seniors, 4 quit, kicked one off (starting QB), another got hurt in the off-season. Out of my "top" 10 players, 6 are sophomores, 2 are juniors. I had a heart to heart with my (new) starting QB, whos played 5 games at this spot. I laid it out for him, that with our season the way it was going, I was gonna start giving the sophomore QB reps in games, probably the 1st series of the second quarter, and the way things are going the entire 4th quarter. Same with the freshman fullback and a senior. Thanked those two seniors for believing in me and the program, still gonna let them play all of defense and make sure I give them the best chance to get into the college of their choosing. My future is now. The seniors are a part of the "old way", I was their 3rd HC in 4 years. I have high standards. I expect them to do weird stuff like come to practice, and not act a fool during practice. My soph's only know what we've taught them. They are a small class, but have ability. Gonna ride or die with those guys the rest of the way out, knowing it will be an investment in next year. Also, totally stealing the visit another school idea. Buddy of mine just down the road has a good program and gonna ask if we can visit. Sounds like you are having the type of year that I had last year. Had to kick kids off the team because they thought it was acceptable to skip practice to go fishing lol! I am like you. I will ride or die with my freshman and sophomores. My older kids have never won anything and never will. Had a senior captain tell another captain today after homecoming this Friday he is handing in his stuff because his back hurts and he can't miss wrestling. This is all I needed to hear to gage the current level of mental fragility my team has. I am not sure how to exactly reply to this thread, because I can only provide things that have worked for me and some of this might offend some coaches who have responded, but let me preface this with I used to believe in holding every single kid absolutely accountable to the tee, just kick the kid off the team if he misses a practice and let's look to the Sophs and Freshmen. I mean that was when I was coaching 6A and 5A, when I got to a 2A school that had never won and only had 17 kids to play 11 man football I had to change my thinking. I like the advice that Anders4 gave, if I were you I would do what he says. You are basically running two programs, one for the seniors and one for everyone else and that is the reality, so just live with it and stop kicking kids off of your depleted team, instead keep at them to do better, do better and do better and when they don't do better keep at them to do better. Here is what I have learned through this process as we turned a struggling school around: Don't listen to coaches who lose, regardless of what school they go to, it creates a defeatist attitude. The rule should be the best players play: so if you have a senior or two who are great on Friday, but suck the rest of the week, still play them and support them and work with them to get them to give more effort during the week. Avoid playing your young bucks in Varsity as much as possible, they want to play and will kiss your ass all week, but they usually aren't ready and by the time they are Seniors they will have the same motivational problems with them as you have with your seniors now. The issue is when kids play varsity too early, what other milestone are you going to provide them with the rest of their high school career? I have made this mistake. Instead win on Thursday and eventually you will win on Friday. Thursday is your day, the JV games and Freshman games are your thing and don't save some poor Sophy or Freshman for Varsity, play them and develop them the correct way, through the lower level games. Finally, If you are going to visit another school make sure they fit into your demographic (school size, classification, small town or big town). On that point I have coached at the 6A, 5A, 2A and 1A level in high school and even at the JUCO level they are all different and have different things they deal with, especially at the JUCO level those dudes are awesome and probably the easiest to coach, because they treat it like a job. The hardest level for me was and is the 1A to 2A level because of numbers. We finally talked to the state champions from our classification and those were the exact things they told us. Their philosophy was don't give kids reasons to screw up, for example they didn't do Saturday morning film, but instead they their kids the day off because they didn't want to discipline staters for missing Saturday morning film. Learn to pick your battles and sometimes numbers dictate that it's better to avoid making a statement than beating your head against the wall.
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Post by blb on Sept 28, 2017 14:06:56 GMT -6
Sounds like you are having the type of year that I had last year. Had to kick kids off the team because they thought it was acceptable to skip practice to go fishing lol! I am like you. I will ride or die with my freshman and sophomores. My older kids have never won anything and never will. Had a senior captain tell another captain today after homecoming this Friday he is handing in his stuff because his back hurts and he can't miss wrestling. This is all I needed to hear to gage the current level of mental fragility my team has. I am not sure how to exactly reply to this thread, because I can only provide things that have worked for me and some of this might offend some coaches who have responded, but let me preface this with I used to believe in holding every single kid absolutely accountable to the tee, just kick the kid off the team if he misses a practice and let's look to the Sophs and Freshmen. I mean that was when I was coaching 6A and 5A, when I got to a 2A school that had never won and only had 17 kids to play 11 man football I had to change my thinking. I like the advice that Anders4 gave, if I were you I would do what he says. You are basically running two programs, one for the seniors and one for everyone else and that is the reality, so just live with it and stop kicking kids off of your depleted team, instead keep at them to do better, do better and do better and when they don't do better keep at them to do better. Here is what I have learned through this process as we turned a struggling school around: Don't listen to coaches who lose, regardless of what school they go to, it creates a defeatist attitude. The rule should be the best players play: so if you have a senior or two who are great on Friday, but suck the rest of the week, still play them and support them and work with them to get them to give more effort during the week. Avoid playing your young bucks in Varsity as much as possible, they want to play and will kiss your ass all week, but they usually aren't ready and by the time they are Seniors they will have the same motivational problems with them as you have with your seniors now. The issue is when kids play varsity too early, what other milestone are you going to provide them with the rest of their high school career? I have made this mistake. Instead win on Thursday and eventually you will win on Friday. Thursday is your day, the JV games and Freshman games are your thing and don't save some poor Sophy or Freshman for Varsity, play them and develop them the correct way, through the lower level games. Finally, If you are going to visit another school make sure they fit into your demographic (school size, classification, small town or big town). On that point I have coached at the 6A, 5A, 2A and 1A level in high school and even at the JUCO level they are all different and have different things they deal with, especially at the JUCO level those dudes are awesome and probably the easiest to coach, because they treat it like a job. The hardest level for me was and is the 1A to 2A level because of numbers. We finally talked to the state champions from our classification and those were the exact things they told us. Their philosophy was don't give kids reasons to screw up, for example they didn't do Saturday morning film, but instead they their kids the day off because they didn't want to discipline staters for missing Saturday morning film. Learn to pick your battles and sometimes numbers dictate that it's better to avoid making a statement than beating your head against the wall. chidesta
Please paragraph (use 'Enter' key) when you post or your messages are hard to read.
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Post by chidesta on Sept 28, 2017 15:08:13 GMT -6
I am not sure how to exactly reply to this thread, because I can only provide things that have worked for me and some of this might offend some coaches who have responded, but let me preface this with I used to believe in holding every single kid absolutely accountable to the tee, just kick the kid off the team if he misses a practice and let's look to the Sophs and Freshmen. I mean that was when I was coaching 6A and 5A, when I got to a 2A school that had never won and only had 17 kids to play 11 man football I had to change my thinking. I like the advice that Anders4 gave, if I were you I would do what he says. You are basically running two programs, one for the seniors and one for everyone else and that is the reality, so just live with it and stop kicking kids off of your depleted team, instead keep at them to do better, do better and do better and when they don't do better keep at them to do better. Here is what I have learned through this process as we turned a struggling school around: Don't listen to coaches who lose, regardless of what school they go to, it creates a defeatist attitude. The rule should be the best players play: so if you have a senior or two who are great on Friday, but suck the rest of the week, still play them and support them and work with them to get them to give more effort during the week. Avoid playing your young bucks in Varsity as much as possible, they want to play and will kiss your ass all week, but they usually aren't ready and by the time they are Seniors they will have the same motivational problems with them as you have with your seniors now. The issue is when kids play varsity too early, what other milestone are you going to provide them with the rest of their high school career? I have made this mistake. Instead win on Thursday and eventually you will win on Friday. Thursday is your day, the JV games and Freshman games are your thing and don't save some poor Sophy or Freshman for Varsity, play them and develop them the correct way, through the lower level games. Finally, If you are going to visit another school make sure they fit into your demographic (school size, classification, small town or big town). On that point I have coached at the 6A, 5A, 2A and 1A level in high school and even at the JUCO level they are all different and have different things they deal with, especially at the JUCO level those dudes are awesome and probably the easiest to coach, because they treat it like a job. The hardest level for me was and is the 1A to 2A level because of numbers. We finally talked to the state champions from our classification and those were the exact things they told us. Their philosophy was don't give kids reasons to screw up, for example they didn't do Saturday morning film, but instead they their kids the day off because they didn't want to discipline staters for missing Saturday morning film. Learn to pick your battles and sometimes numbers dictate that it's better to avoid making a statement than beating your head against the wall. chidesta
Please paragraph (use 'Enter' key) when you post or your messages are hard to read.
K? I thought I did separate my thoughts into paragraphs, but thanks for the feedback. I'll work on it.
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Post by blb on Sept 29, 2017 5:15:57 GMT -6
chidesta
Please paragraph (use 'Enter' key) when you post or your messages are hard to read.
K? I thought I did separate my thoughts into paragraphs, but thanks for the feedback. I'll work on it.
Would be more readable if there was a break (blank line) between paragraphs, thanks.
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