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Post by murdr on Sept 14, 2017 10:23:54 GMT -6
So, not really football-related, and don't like venting my real-life problems, but gonna go at it. Anyone ever have circumstances out of their control hinder their coaching career?
I finally found a place that I like recently, but that, and possibly my short-term coaching career, will probably be going away.
Due to some bad financial decisions when I was younger, my expenses are too high. My current job doesn't pay enough, and can't seem to find another or a better job. Basically, going to literally run out of money by the end of the month. And the only job that pays even 75% of my expenses has hours that leave me unable to coach.
Will probably have to sell everything I own to hold out another month or two, but I expect to be homeless by year's end. I know I can make it through it, but it just sucks to have to fall so low. Who knows what this will do to my long-term relationship as well...
I once had a head coach that was homeless, so you never know. But my bills are just too damn high.
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Post by 53 on Sept 14, 2017 10:56:17 GMT -6
So, not really football-related, and don't like venting my real-life problems, but gonna go at it. Anyone ever have circumstances out of their control hinder their coaching career? I finally found a place that I like recently, but that, and possibly my short-term coaching career, will probably be going away. Due to some bad financial decisions when I was younger, my expenses are too high. My current job doesn't pay enough, and can't seem to find another or a better job. Basically, going to literally run out of money by the end of the month. And the only job that pays even 75% of my expenses has hours that leave me unable to coach. Will probably have to sell everything I own to hold out another month or two, but I expect to be homeless by year's end. I know I can make it through it, but it just sucks to have to fall so low. Who knows what this will do to my long-term relationship as well... I once had a head coach that was homeless, so you never know. But my bills are just too damn high. How much of your debts are you personally tied to after a bankruptcy
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Post by murdr on Sept 14, 2017 11:05:51 GMT -6
So, not really football-related, and don't like venting my real-life problems, but gonna go at it. Anyone ever have circumstances out of their control hinder their coaching career? I finally found a place that I like recently, but that, and possibly my short-term coaching career, will probably be going away. Due to some bad financial decisions when I was younger, my expenses are too high. My current job doesn't pay enough, and can't seem to find another or a better job. Basically, going to literally run out of money by the end of the month. And the only job that pays even 75% of my expenses has hours that leave me unable to coach. Will probably have to sell everything I own to hold out another month or two, but I expect to be homeless by year's end. I know I can make it through it, but it just sucks to have to fall so low. Who knows what this will do to my long-term relationship as well... I once had a head coach that was homeless, so you never know. But my bills are just too damn high. How much of your debts are you personally tied to after a bankruptcy I'm not quite sure. I have a bunch of student loans, a huge car loan (that I can get out of, but then I'd be left with no car to get to work), and a bunch of credit card debt. I know the loans couldn't be discharged. The car loan would still leave me without a car to get to work. I dunno about credit cards, or what it'd do to my credit score. Never really considered bankruptcy.
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Post by 53 on Sept 14, 2017 11:14:23 GMT -6
Your credit is going to be screwed regardless, so I wouldn't worry about that.
You need to start looking up Dave Ramsey books. I'm not his biggest fan on investing but you're a long ways before worrying about that.
I'd say the car needs to go and you need to be talking to the credit card companies about cutting the payments or you're going to default on them.
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Post by murdr on Sept 14, 2017 11:17:42 GMT -6
Your credit is going to be screwed regardless, so I wouldn't worry about that. You need to start looking up Dave Ramsey books. I'm not his biggest fan on investing but you're a long ways before worrying about that. I'd say the car needs to go and you need to be talking to the credit card companies about cutting the payments or you're going to default on them. Oh, I really want y car to go, but I'm underwater on the loan. Can't just get rid of it, since I;d immediately owe a ton out of pocket, and be left without transportation to work (no bus, and not within biking distance).
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Post by 53 on Sept 14, 2017 11:20:38 GMT -6
Your credit is going to be screwed regardless, so I wouldn't worry about that. You need to start looking up Dave Ramsey books. I'm not his biggest fan on investing but you're a long ways before worrying about that. I'd say the car needs to go and you need to be talking to the credit card companies about cutting the payments or you're going to default on them. Oh, I really want y car to go, but I'm underwater on the loan. Can't just get rid of it, since I;d immediately owe a ton out of pocket, and be left without transportation to work (no bus, and not within biking distance). You can buy a 500 or 1000 car. It won't be great but you need to get out of that loan, if it's going to make you homeless.
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Post by realdawg on Sept 14, 2017 11:21:03 GMT -6
Trade car in for cheaper payment. If you are paying $500 a month on the car. Trade it in for a $250 a month payment. Then you save half your car payment. The rest of the stuff with credit cards and bankruptcy is above my head. But that's a simple solution.
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Post by murdr on Sept 14, 2017 11:23:49 GMT -6
Oh, I really want y car to go, but I'm underwater on the loan. Can't just get rid of it, since I;d immediately owe a ton out of pocket, and be left without transportation to work (no bus, and not within biking distance). You can buy a 500 or 1000 car. It won't be great but you need to get out of that loan, if it's going to make you homeless. I have $123, and it'll be about $40 by Monday. And can't get any loans. I wish I could afford a junker, but I can't even afford that.
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Post by murdr on Sept 14, 2017 11:25:51 GMT -6
Now, there's a job that may JUST allow me to pay my bills, but who knows if I'll get it. They have a hiring event on Tuesday, and I'm going.
But even then, breaking even won't help me save up to get a junker.
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Post by fshamrock on Sept 14, 2017 11:30:02 GMT -6
Good news on the student loan is that they can't repo your college education, all they can do it call a lot and be angry and jack up your credit, which is probably already shot so 'eff em. Any chance you can get a roommate to help offset the cost of rent? I think there's an app for that
sounds like you'll have to table coaching for a while until you get your finances under control. If it's available where you live, drive Uber or deliver pizzas at night, there's a service in my area called shipt (sp?) where you grocery shop for people and deliver it to their houses, seems like a decent little side hustle, they make a bout 20 bucks an hour or so I hear. Your gonna have to work like a dog for a long time until you get back on solid ground. Anything else you know how to do? build decks? mow lawns? donate plasma? young enough to join the coast guard? failing that.....they are always looking for reliable drug mules near the border, so there's that. I kid...but seriously that sucks man. Hope it works out for you, good thing about coaching is that you get to make contacts with a lot of people in your community, sucks to ask but if any of your players dad own a business you can always inquire about any side work you can get from them...but then you gotta start the kid on friday night
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Post by murdr on Sept 14, 2017 11:32:44 GMT -6
Unfortunately, that college education never amounted to anything like a degree. Just debt. And also unfortunately, pretty booked in my apartment. Have four people living in two bedrooms. Applied for Lyft and Uber, denied from both. Same with pizza places. It's because of literally two speeding tickets in the past 4 years. No kidding.
Can't donate blood or plasma, since I'm on blood-thinners.
But I'm also applying for border patrol, lol.
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Post by chi5hi on Sept 14, 2017 11:34:07 GMT -6
You already know what you have to do.
Take care of business so as not to ruin your personal credit and your ever so important, character and dependability.
You never want questions out there about taking care of your responsibilities. Eventually, important people will ask.
Football will always be there and can welcome you back when you're ready. Do as you tell your players...Get it DONE!
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Post by murdr on Sept 14, 2017 11:35:28 GMT -6
You already know what you have to do. Take care of business so as not to ruin your personal credit and your ever so important, character and dependability. You never want questions out there about taking care of your responsibilities. Eventually, important people will ask. Football will always be there and can welcome you back when you're ready. Do as you tell your players...Get it DONE! That's a big part of not wanting to ask for help or file for bankruptcy. Not just pride, but tarnishing my reputation. How can people trust me to use their time and money wisely if I can't do it for myself?
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Post by fshamrock on Sept 14, 2017 11:40:34 GMT -6
Unfortunately, that college education never amounted to anything like a degree. Just debt. And also unfortunately, pretty booked in my apartment. Have four people living in two bedrooms. Applied for Lyft and Uber, denied from both. Same with pizza places. It's because of literally two speeding tickets in the past 4 years. No kidding. Can't donate blood or plasma, since I'm on blood-thinners. But I'm also applying for border patrol, lol. there's more money in the illegal side of the border war...but probably more stability on the patrol aspect...good call, unless you're a crooked border patrol agent (light bulb) seriously man I don't mean to make light of your deal, good news is you aren't likely to starve to death, can you move back in with mom and dad? no shame in saying no because I definitely couldn't have in the same situation. My financial advice is typically horrible, but I wouldn't pay anything on student loans or credit cards until I got my living situation straightened out. They'll threaten you with all kinds of stuff but there's no such thing as debtors prison....eventually they'll negotiate down what you owe, better for the bank to get something rather than nothing, but that's a problem for a different time. once you get clear of all of this...follow the advice my father gave me (that I didn't listen to).....Marry into money
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Post by murdr on Sept 14, 2017 11:44:28 GMT -6
Unfortunately, that college education never amounted to anything like a degree. Just debt. And also unfortunately, pretty booked in my apartment. Have four people living in two bedrooms. Applied for Lyft and Uber, denied from both. Same with pizza places. It's because of literally two speeding tickets in the past 4 years. No kidding. Can't donate blood or plasma, since I'm on blood-thinners. But I'm also applying for border patrol, lol. there's more money in the illegal side of the border war...but probably more stability on the patrol aspect...good call, unless you're a crooked border patrol agent (light bulb) seriously man I don't mean to make light of your deal, good news is you aren't likely to starve to death, can you move back in with mom and dad? no shame in saying no because I definitely couldn't have in the same situation. My financial advice is typically horrible, but I wouldn't pay anything on student loans or credit cards until I got my living situation straightened out. They'll threaten you with all kinds of stuff but there's no such thing as debtors prison....eventually they'll negotiate down what you owe, better for the bank to get something rather than nothing, but that's a problem for a different time. once you get clear of all of this...follow the advice my father gave me (that I didn't listen to).....Marry into money Moving back home is an option, but not sure it's one I'd take. I'd first go homeless. There's a certain shame that comes with it at my age (24 1/2). Thought about not paying my credit card bills and others, but hope it doesn't come down to that.
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Post by chi5hi on Sept 14, 2017 11:52:29 GMT -6
You already know what you have to do. Take care of business so as not to ruin your personal credit and your ever so important, character and dependability. You never want questions out there about taking care of your responsibilities. Eventually, important people will ask. Football will always be there and can welcome you back when you're ready. Do as you tell your players...Get it DONE! That's a big part of not wanting to ask for help or file for bankruptcy. Not just pride, but tarnishing my reputation. How can people trust me to use their time and money wisely if I can't do it for myself? Tough times happen to all of us. That's life. I had to take a two year break from coaching once...deaths in the family making me a single father of two minor children...and a serious surgery. You can make it back into the profession, and do it right. Bankruptcy cheats your creditors out of what they're entitled to. If you can avoid that its a feather in your cap. This May I had to buy a new car. My last one was 20 years old. My credit rating is 814 and everyone was falling over themselves trying to get my business...but a score like that doesn't come in a Cracker Jacks box. You have to take care of business and that means sacrifice. So...what's your reputation worth to you?
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Post by fshamrock on Sept 14, 2017 11:53:55 GMT -6
Now..when you say homeless...you mean like staying with friends but not having your own place kinda homeless, or living under a bridge getting into knife fights over a windbreaker kinda homeless? because option b ain't no option. 24 is not that old, and forget shame or whatever anybody else thinks. There is a certain courage I think in admitting you've screwed up and that you need help, and a certain cowardice in keeping your problems to yourself and digging into a deeper hole because you have too much pride. Just a complete strangers perspective, for whatever that's worth.
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Post by murdr on Sept 14, 2017 11:57:16 GMT -6
Now..when you say homeless...you mean like staying with friends but not having your own place kinda homeless, or living under a bridge getting into knife fights over a windbreaker kinda homeless? because option b ain't no option. 24 is not that old, and forget shame or whatever anybody else thinks. There is a certain courage I think in admitting you've screwed up and that you need help, and a certain cowardice in keeping your problems to yourself and digging into a deeper hole because you have too much pride. Just a complete strangers perspective, for whatever that's worth. Can't say I have any friends that would let me stay at their place. Pretty lone wolf here outside of my GF.
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Post by blb on Sept 14, 2017 12:09:29 GMT -6
Move back home - temporarily - until you can get back on your feet.
Take the job that will pay 75% of your expenses (if you don't get the job at Tuesday hiring event). Have to give up coaching - temporarily.
As someone suggested call credit card companies about lowering your payments. Do the same with student loans.
GET RID OF THE CREDIT CARDS!!
Come up with a monthly budget and live by it.
You can't possibly be an effective coach and move on successfully with your life until you get your finances under control.
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Post by fshamrock on Sept 14, 2017 12:11:03 GMT -6
I don't know if you ever use reddit but you might get some good responses if you post the details of your situation there. They have a board called r/finance where lots of morons and a few people who know what they are talking about will try and help out people with money problems. Might get some good insight there.
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Post by murdr on Sept 14, 2017 12:17:28 GMT -6
I don't know if you ever use reddit but you might get some good responses if you post the details of your situation there. They have a board called r/finance where lots of morons and a few people who know what they are talking about will try and help out people with money problems. Might get some good insight there. Oh, I go on those boards, along with Mr. Money Mustache. Believe it or not, I actually know quite a bit about personal finance. I just learned it too late.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 14, 2017 12:19:06 GMT -6
Move back home - temporarily - until you can get back on your feet. Take the job that will pay 75% of your expenses (if you don't get the job at Tuesday hiring event). Have to give up coaching - temporarily. As someone suggested call credit card companies about lowering your payments. Do the same with student loans. GET RID OF THE CREDIT CARDS!! Come up with a monthly budget and live by it. You can't possibly be an effective coach and move on successfully with your life until you get your finances under control. Yeah. If you can't pay with cash, you don't need it. About 15 years ago, my wife hurt her back and couldn't work. Lost half our income and had 3 kids all under 4 years old. First thing we did was cancel every credit card. Also got rid of luxuries. No more satellite TV. No more case of beer or bottle of whiskey for college football games. No more going out to eat. Hell, I think all I ate for 6 months was ramen noodles with scrambled eggs and Tuna Helper! It sucked but we slowly paid down debt and learned to live without credit cards.
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Post by murdr on Sept 14, 2017 12:21:56 GMT -6
Well, I was always very responsible with my credit cards (0% utilization, 800+ score), but I got to a point where it was either run my credit up, or not pay my bills.
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Post by blb on Sept 14, 2017 12:25:38 GMT -6
Well, I was always very responsible with my credit cards (0% utilization, 800+ score), but I got to a point where it was either run my credit up, or not pay my bills.
...and now the chickens have come home to roost.
You'll be amazed what you can live without when you have to, and how much better you'll feel about yourself when you do and begin to get your life in order.
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Post by fantom on Sept 14, 2017 12:35:47 GMT -6
Now, there's a job that may JUST allow me to pay my bills, but who knows if I'll get it. They have a hiring event on Tuesday, and I'm going. But even then, breaking even won't help me save up to get a junker. You might need to get a second job even if you get this one. At any rate, coaching is the least of your problems right now.
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Post by murdr on Sept 14, 2017 13:07:20 GMT -6
Well, I was always very responsible with my credit cards (0% utilization, 800+ score), but I got to a point where it was either run my credit up, or not pay my bills.
...and now the chickens have come home to roost.
You'll be amazed what you can live without when you have to, and how much better you'll feel about yourself when you do and begin to get your life in order.
Agreed. But even cutting back as much as possible, I still can't pay my bills.
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Post by Defcord on Sept 14, 2017 14:10:17 GMT -6
If I wouldn't have gotten married, I would probably be in the same boat as you. My wife does all of our finances. I ask her if I want something and trust her answer.
She does the Dave Ramsey stuff. I would say it's definitely worth checking out.
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Post by coachcb on Sept 14, 2017 14:23:11 GMT -6
I would file for bankruptcy LONG before I became homeless. Your credit is going to be screwed anyway so you might as well get that ball into motion. My mother was drowning in a debt about a decade ago and filed for bankruptcy and she walked out in a much better place, emotionally and financially because of it.
Honestly, I didn't coach last fall because I was trying to get my personal and financial life in order following a divorce. I wouldn't have been worth a chit as a coach last fall if I had joined a staff because my personal life was in the toilet. It sucked because coaching has always helped me keep my head straight and given something to focus on but I knew I wouldn't do anyone any good at that time.
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Post by brophy on Sept 14, 2017 14:32:27 GMT -6
murdr what kind of wage is your football gig paying? If you're not a GA that is living in the building and getting meals paid for, this not a "paying" gig. how many working hours does it tie up in your schedule? Although it may be difficult (like abandoning your child), you probably should step away from the season because the time you're spending coaching isn't paying the bills. There are a lot of actors busing tables and tending bar because the acting thing isn't panning out. If you have reliable transportation, have will need to hit up temporary employment agencies because any legit full time employment will take a month to see your resume and 3 months to get you on board. You are probably struggling with the fact of leaving your program. That is natural. It doesn't make any sense to rob time away from taking care of your needs to service a 'want'.
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Post by seabass on Sept 14, 2017 15:47:29 GMT -6
Dude...you're young...in fact still young enough that you count the half year when you state your age. You have a TON of time to get back in the game...figuratively and literally. What you don't have is enough money to afford your pride. Move back home and get your chit together. Do whatever it takes!
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