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Post by bigmoot on Oct 4, 2017 11:13:28 GMT -6
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 4, 2017 12:47:16 GMT -6
That doesn’t change the fact that this generation has a lot of characteristics that make them different and to many people, unlikeable.
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Post by Chris Clement on Oct 4, 2017 13:15:46 GMT -6
I want to believe that you have a firm grasp of the concept of irony.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 4, 2017 14:29:11 GMT -6
I do believe there are characteristics of the millennial generation that set them apart from others in a negative manner. For example, I used to be on hiring committees that ran interviews for teachers and you could certainly see the difference between the millennials and the older generations when it came to certain questions, particularly those that involved working with others. Here is an example:
"Please describe any experience you have working collaboratively with other staff members."
Older candidates always provided SOME kind of example or at least stated "I don't have much experience in that area but I'm willing to learn!".
Millennial candidates (teachers with experience) rarely had an example or they would simply say "I've never worked on a group project."
This was a pattern that emerged over the space of four years of interviewing and dozens of candidates. The older potential teachers at least had the social awareness to state that they were willing to learn and work in a group while the millennials were completely oblivious. I'd like to write this off to lack of interview experience, but we're talking about millennials in their late twenties and early thirties who had been teaching for awhile and been through interviews.
There just seems to be a social ineptitude within that generation that I think is born out of dependence on technology to communicate. It's almost like technologically induced autism..
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Post by dytmook on Oct 4, 2017 15:18:01 GMT -6
G'D kids need to get off my lawn.
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Post by dubber on Oct 4, 2017 15:58:55 GMT -6
The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.
Socrates
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Post by bigmoot on Oct 4, 2017 16:20:35 GMT -6
The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Socrates dang kids today... article got me thinking. are they different or have I gotten old (er) and have my priorities changed. |
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 4, 2017 16:59:40 GMT -6
I want to believe that you have a firm grasp of the concept of irony. It may have been written for irony, but the whole kids haven't changed since ever tone a lot of people take irritates me a great deal because it just isn't true. |
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Post by dubber on Oct 4, 2017 17:04:39 GMT -6
The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Socrates dang kids today... article got me thinking. are they different or have I gotten old (er) and have my priorities changed. I think the internet has made the dumbassery of 18-28 easier to access. It's in your face now..... Also, the people who usually rail against younger generations are the ones who are among the successful in their own generation. Business leaders, governmental leaders, coaches......these are the top quartile of talent/hard work, so of course they will see "entitled and spoiled" whenever they see a young person in a quartile lower. There's a lot of lazy baby boomers, but they have always been like that and aren't in positions of hiring/management. |
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Post by murdr on Oct 4, 2017 19:40:23 GMT -6
I do believe there are characteristics of the millennial generation that set them apart from others in a negative manner. For example, I used to be on hiring committees that ran interviews for teachers and you could certainly see the difference between the millennials and the older generations when it came to certain questions, particularly those that involved working with others. Here is an example: "Please describe any experience you have working collaboratively with other staff members." Older candidates always provided SOME kind of example or at least stated "I don't have much experience in that area but I'm willing to learn!". Millennial candidates (teachers with experience) rarely had an example or they would simply say "I've never worked on a group project." This was a pattern that emerged over the space of four years of interviewing and dozens of candidates. The older potential teachers at least had the social awareness to state that they were willing to learn and work in a group while the millennials were completely oblivious. I'd like to write this off to lack of interview experience, but we're talking about millennials in their late twenties and early thirties who had been teaching for awhile and been through interviews. There just seems to be a social ineptitude within that generation that I think is born out of dependence on technology to communicate. It's almost like technologically induced autism.. To be fair, the typical HR questions asked in many interviews are pointless, and don't reflect on how well one can do the job at hand. "Tell me a time when you had to resolve an issue at work." Ma'am, I can install and maintain the servers, enough with the stupid questions. The worst is the committee interviews for coaching. No way in hell should any parent ever be on those committees. Or anyone without a football background, for that matter. |
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Post by carookie on Oct 4, 2017 20:12:15 GMT -6
dang kids today... article got me thinking. are they different or have I gotten old (er) and have my priorities changed. I think the internet has made the dumbassery of 18-28 easier to access. It's in your face now..... Also, the people who usually rail against younger generations are the ones who are among the successful in their own generation.Business leaders, governmental leaders, coaches......these are the top quartile of talent/hard work, so of course they will see "entitled and spoiled" whenever they see a young person in a quartile lower. There's a lot of lazy baby boomers, but they have always been like that and aren't in positions of hiring/management.100% nailed it. I had this conversation with my mother a few weeks back (she is a manager at a hospital, and complaining about the me first lazy attitudes of so many young potential employees.) I pointed out that there were plenty me first, lazy looking for handout types in the 60s and 70s when she was in her youth, she was just too busy working to notice them (we do learn a lot about them in history though). I know they were around in the 80s and 90s, because I hung out with a lot of them. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 4, 2017 20:31:49 GMT -6
I do believe there are characteristics of the millennial generation that set them apart from others in a negative manner. For example, I used to be on hiring committees that ran interviews for teachers and you could certainly see the difference between the millennials and the older generations when it came to certain questions, particularly those that involved working with others. Here is an example: "Please describe any experience you have working collaboratively with other staff members." Older candidates always provided SOME kind of example or at least stated "I don't have much experience in that area but I'm willing to learn!". Millennial candidates (teachers with experience) rarely had an example or they would simply say "I've never worked on a group project." This was a pattern that emerged over the space of four years of interviewing and dozens of candidates. The older potential teachers at least had the social awareness to state that they were willing to learn and work in a group while the millennials were completely oblivious. I'd like to write this off to lack of interview experience, but we're talking about millennials in their late twenties and early thirties who had been teaching for awhile and been through interviews. There just seems to be a social ineptitude within that generation that I think is born out of dependence on technology to communicate. It's almost like technologically induced autism.. To be fair, the typical HR questions asked in many interviews are pointless, and don't reflect on how well one can do the job at hand. "Tell me a time when you had to resolve an issue at work." Ma'am, I can install and maintain the servers, enough with the stupid questions. The worst is the committee interviews for coaching. No way in hell should any parent ever be on those committees. Or anyone without a football background, for that matter. Or anyone without a nice pen |
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Post by **** on Oct 5, 2017 7:12:55 GMT -6
I think the internet has made the dumbassery of 18-28 easier to access. It's in your face now..... 1,000,000,000% this ^^ There have always been dipchits. Now with social media every dumb fuk has a megaphone to tell the world what they think. |
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Post by coachcb on Oct 5, 2017 8:35:26 GMT -6
I do believe there are characteristics of the millennial generation that set them apart from others in a negative manner. For example, I used to be on hiring committees that ran interviews for teachers and you could certainly see the difference between the millennials and the older generations when it came to certain questions, particularly those that involved working with others. Here is an example: "Please describe any experience you have working collaboratively with other staff members." Older candidates always provided SOME kind of example or at least stated "I don't have much experience in that area but I'm willing to learn!". Millennial candidates (teachers with experience) rarely had an example or they would simply say "I've never worked on a group project." This was a pattern that emerged over the space of four years of interviewing and dozens of candidates. The older potential teachers at least had the social awareness to state that they were willing to learn and work in a group while the millennials were completely oblivious. I'd like to write this off to lack of interview experience, but we're talking about millennials in their late twenties and early thirties who had been teaching for awhile and been through interviews. There just seems to be a social ineptitude within that generation that I think is born out of dependence on technology to communicate. It's almost like technologically induced autism.. To be fair, the typical HR questions asked in many interviews are pointless, and don't reflect on how well one can do the job at hand. "Tell me a time when you had to resolve an issue at work." Ma'am, I can install and maintain the servers, enough with the stupid questions. The worst is the committee interviews for coaching. No way in hell should any parent ever be on those committees. Or anyone without a football background, for that matter. We ask those kinds of questions to determine how well a teacher plays well with others as a) there are times when they will be required to work within groups and b) so that we can determine how well they play with others overall. Over the years, I have coached and taught with many millennial teachers and have more issues with them than not. Life is easy with them as long as they don't have to interact on a group project or work within a committee. But it's a pain in the neck once you get into those situations. Yes, I run into the same types of issues with older teachers but not with near as much frequency. And, I have found that they don't handle conflict well. For example, I was working with three millennial teachers and a teacher my age on a massive thematic learning curriculum. The kids had to finish a certain number of projects and earn a "B" average on all of them if they wanted to go on a 10 day field trip to Washington DC at the end of the semester. Here is the short list of issues: 1. They each had their own STRONG opinions on the project content. They spent five hours bickering back and forth before the administration stepped in and made them compromise. Myself and the older teacher provided our 2 cents and tapped out early. 2. They spent another three hours fighting over how to grade the projects; each had a separate rubric and, again, the administration had to step in and come up with his own. 3. One of the kids did a p-ss poor job on one of the early projects and the three millennials got together and decided to give him a zero. This would have made his grade unrecoverable and he wouldn't have been able to go on the trip. His project certainly deserved an "F" but these three goons just decided he didn't earn any points at all. I told them that a) this wasn't a decision that the three of them should have been making on their own b) that it wasn't fair to the kid to drop him completely from the trip with only two out of eight projects under his belt and that c) it'd end up in front of the school board because of a and b and that would be there problem. Now, I was sitting down in a chair, ten feet away from them while detailing all of this to them. I wasn't raising my voice or using foul language but I was certainly stern as I wasn't happy. One of them stood up and said "I feel like you're being very aggressive right now, you're making me very uncomfortable and I need to leave." The other two left and all three went to the administration and tried to claim that I was being hostile. Thankfully there were two other teachers in the room who told the principal that they were full of chit. This is just one of several examples of poor interactions I have had with millennial teachers. Like I said, I have had bad run-ins with older teachers and coaches but there is a pattern of behavior that pops up continually with the millennials. And, it always revolves around any sort of issue with social interaction/functioning in a group. Right now, I'm a curriculum committee with three other teachers and two of them are millennials. We get absolutely NOTHING accomplished when we meet because these two people. I just sit back and draw football plays while they argue over stupid crap. They are so socially inept that they can't see any other opinion other than their own (FISH STICKS ARE ON TUESDAY!!!) and they refuse to stop and realize that they are wasting everyone's time over minute details. And, I completely blame their heavy use of technological communication. |
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Post by carookie on Oct 5, 2017 8:54:56 GMT -6
To be fair, the typical HR questions asked in many interviews are pointless, and don't reflect on how well one can do the job at hand. "Tell me a time when you had to resolve an issue at work." Ma'am, I can install and maintain the servers, enough with the stupid questions. The worst is the committee interviews for coaching. No way in hell should any parent ever be on those committees. Or anyone without a football background, for that matter. 1. They each had their own STRONG opinions on the project content. They spent five hours bickering back and forth before the administration stepped in and made them compromise. Myself and the older teacher provided our 2 cents and tapped out early. 2. They spent another three hours fighting over how to grade the projects; each had a separate rubric and, again, the administration had to step in and come up with his own. This sounds like a lot of coaches meetings I have been in- except they each have their strong opinions on how to block power, or how to line-up vs trips (etc.) The only difference is in coaches meetings there are well defined chains of command so that there is no need for admin to walk in. But I could imagine how things would be if it were just all the position coaches thrown into a room and told "Hey, compromise on a new playbook. Nobody is in charge, just come up with it as a group." Millennial, Xennial, Gen-X, Baby Boomer, whatever- if people are passionate about something then this will happen in a group if there is no defined leadership. |
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Post by dubber on Oct 5, 2017 9:06:13 GMT -6
To be fair, the typical HR questions asked in many interviews are pointless, and don't reflect on how well one can do the job at hand. "Tell me a time when you had to resolve an issue at work." Ma'am, I can install and maintain the servers, enough with the stupid questions. The worst is the committee interviews for coaching. No way in hell should any parent ever be on those committees. Or anyone without a football background, for that matter. We ask those kinds of questions to determine how well a teacher plays well with others as a) there are times when they will be required to work within groups and b) so that we can determine how well they play with others overall. Over the years, I have coached and taught with many millennial teachers and have more issues with them than not. Life is easy with them as long as they don't have to interact on a group project or work within a committee. But it's a pain in the neck once you get into those situations. Yes, I run into the same types of issues with older teachers but not with near as much frequency. And, I have found that they don't handle conflict well. For example, I was working with three millennial teachers and a teacher my age on a massive thematic learning curriculum. The kids had to finish a certain number of projects and earn a "B" average on all of them if they wanted to go on a 10 day field trip to Washington DC at the end of the semester. Here is the short list of issues: 1. They each had their own STRONG opinions on the project content. They spent five hours bickering back and forth before the administration stepped in and made them compromise. Myself and the older teacher provided our 2 cents and tapped out early. 2. They spent another three hours fighting over how to grade the projects; each had a separate rubric and, again, the administration had to step in and come up with his own. 3. One of the kids did a p-ss poor job on one of the early projects and the three millennials got together and decided to give him a zero. This would have made his grade unrecoverable and he wouldn't have been able to go on the trip. His project certainly deserved an "F" but these three goons just decided he didn't earn any points at all. I told them that a) this wasn't a decision that the three of them should have been making on their own b) that it wasn't fair to the kid to drop him completely from the trip with only two out of eight projects under his belt and that c) it'd end up in front of the school board because of a and b and that would be there problem. Now, I was sitting down in a chair, ten feet away from them while detailing all of this to them. I wasn't raising my voice or using foul language but I was certainly stern as I wasn't happy. One of them stood up and said "I feel like you're being very aggressive right now, you're making me very uncomfortable and I need to leave." The other two left and all three went to the administration and tried to claim that I was being hostile. Thankfully there were two other teachers in the room who told the principal that they were full of chit. This is just one of several examples of poor interactions I have had with millennial teachers. Like I said, I have had bad run-ins with older teachers and coaches but there is a pattern of behavior that pops up continually with the millennials. And, it always revolves around any sort of issue with social interaction/functioning in a group. Right now, I'm a curriculum committee with three other teachers and two of them are millennials. We get absolutely NOTHING accomplished when we meet because these two people. I just sit back and draw football plays while they argue over stupid crap. They are so socially inept that they can't see any other opinion other than their own (FISH STICKS ARE ON TUESDAY!!!) and they refuse to stop and realize that they are wasting everyone's time over minute details. And, I completely blame their heavy use of technological communication. That just sounds like the teaching profession to me...... |
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Post by coachcb on Oct 5, 2017 9:26:38 GMT -6
We ask those kinds of questions to determine how well a teacher plays well with others as a) there are times when they will be required to work within groups and b) so that we can determine how well they play with others overall. Over the years, I have coached and taught with many millennial teachers and have more issues with them than not. Life is easy with them as long as they don't have to interact on a group project or work within a committee. But it's a pain in the neck once you get into those situations. Yes, I run into the same types of issues with older teachers but not with near as much frequency. And, I have found that they don't handle conflict well. For example, I was working with three millennial teachers and a teacher my age on a massive thematic learning curriculum. The kids had to finish a certain number of projects and earn a "B" average on all of them if they wanted to go on a 10 day field trip to Washington DC at the end of the semester. Here is the short list of issues: 1. They each had their own STRONG opinions on the project content. They spent five hours bickering back and forth before the administration stepped in and made them compromise. Myself and the older teacher provided our 2 cents and tapped out early. 2. They spent another three hours fighting over how to grade the projects; each had a separate rubric and, again, the administration had to step in and come up with his own. 3. One of the kids did a p-ss poor job on one of the early projects and the three millennials got together and decided to give him a zero. This would have made his grade unrecoverable and he wouldn't have been able to go on the trip. His project certainly deserved an "F" but these three goons just decided he didn't earn any points at all. I told them that a) this wasn't a decision that the three of them should have been making on their own b) that it wasn't fair to the kid to drop him completely from the trip with only two out of eight projects under his belt and that c) it'd end up in front of the school board because of a and b and that would be there problem. Now, I was sitting down in a chair, ten feet away from them while detailing all of this to them. I wasn't raising my voice or using foul language but I was certainly stern as I wasn't happy. One of them stood up and said "I feel like you're being very aggressive right now, you're making me very uncomfortable and I need to leave." The other two left and all three went to the administration and tried to claim that I was being hostile. Thankfully there were two other teachers in the room who told the principal that they were full of chit. This is just one of several examples of poor interactions I have had with millennial teachers. Like I said, I have had bad run-ins with older teachers and coaches but there is a pattern of behavior that pops up continually with the millennials. And, it always revolves around any sort of issue with social interaction/functioning in a group. Right now, I'm a curriculum committee with three other teachers and two of them are millennials. We get absolutely NOTHING accomplished when we meet because these two people. I just sit back and draw football plays while they argue over stupid crap. They are so socially inept that they can't see any other opinion other than their own (FISH STICKS ARE ON TUESDAY!!!) and they refuse to stop and realize that they are wasting everyone's time over minute details. And, I completely blame their heavy use of technological communication. That just sounds like the teaching profession to me...... I have seen this kind of stuff pop up with the older generations. But, it is far more frequent with the millennials. I have tried to be objective about it as I know that each generation complains about the younger ones. But, I have certainly seen a pattern of behavior arise with the millennial generation over the last five years or so. And, there is a consistency with regards to the veracity with which they b-tch and argue. They get hot under the collar anytime a specific view is questioned and it becomes quite irrational at times. And, it's not even major points of view; it's every little friggin' detail. I listened to two millennial teachers fight for five minutes over whether or not to include algebra tiles in a curriculum last week.. It wasn't a constructive conversation about the pros and cons of using them; it was a full-blown argument. I got fed up and told them that the "conversation" was going nowhere and that we'd all be better off if it was just dropped and the use of tiles was left up to individual preference.. |
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Post by SconnieOC on Oct 5, 2017 9:45:08 GMT -6
That just sounds like the teaching profession to me...... I have seen this kind of stuff pop up with the older generations. But, it is far more frequent with the millennials. I have tried to be objective about it as I know that each generation complains about the younger ones. But, I have certainly seen a pattern of behavior arise with the millennial generation over the last five years or so. And, there is a consistency with regards to the veracity with which they b-tch and argue. They get hot under the collar anytime a specific view is questioned and it becomes quite irrational at times. And, it's not even major points of view; it's every little friggin' detail. I listened to two millennial teachers fight for five minutes over whether or not to include algebra tiles in a curriculum last week.. It wasn't a constructive conversation about the pros and cons of using them; it was a full-blown argument. I got fed up and told them that the "conversation" was going nowhere and that we'd all be better off if it was just dropped and the use of tiles was left up to individual preference.. Its no different than everyone getting all butthurt anytime anyone disagrees with a political/social/whatever belief that someone has. I mean that's a big part of our issue as a society.. You disagree with my clearly correct point of view, so I'm going to flip out and call you racist,sexist, un-inclusive, a bigot, etc. It's impossible to have a functional conversation because they've been told their right and special, and they can't understand that they aren't. And I fall into this demographic. Drives me insane |
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Post by dubber on Oct 5, 2017 9:55:33 GMT -6
That just sounds like the teaching profession to me...... I have seen this kind of stuff pop up with the older generations. But, it is far more frequent with the millennials. I have tried to be objective about it as I know that each generation complains about the younger ones. But, I have certainly seen a pattern of behavior arise with the millennial generation over the last five years or so. And, there is a consistency with regards to the veracity with which they b-tch and argue. They get hot under the collar anytime a specific view is questioned and it becomes quite irrational at times. And, it's not even major points of view; it's every little friggin' detail. I listened to two millennial teachers fight for five minutes over whether or not to include algebra tiles in a curriculum last week.. It wasn't a constructive conversation about the pros and cons of using them; it was a full-blown argument. I got fed up and told them that the "conversation" was going nowhere and that we'd all be better off if it was just dropped and the use of tiles was left up to individual preference.. I'm not there, so I can't say.... What I do believe is one should always be cautious of "this time, it's different" type of thinking. We are prone to recency basis and generalizations.......skills that help us survive, but leave something to be desired in regards to maintaining objectivity. (this applies to everything from stock market strategy to buying homes to grocery shopping) If we have literally a couple millennia worth of records that show how much older generations being annoyed by the younger generation's work ethic/manners/general toughness, that would lead me to be skeptical that this is the first generation since the annals of written history that is actually like that. One of my favorite hobbies on the internet is to guess at a conclusion with incomplete information, relying on my own experiences......makes me feel like Sherlock Holmes. My guess on your 3 "snowflakes": *No children to raise *Probably unmarried My theory is no one has to be an adult until they have to be........Friends my age with kids (early 30's) are responsible and embody all the virtues you would want in an employee/coworker. Friends my age without kids......haven't really changed from their 18th birthday. One of things different about millennials is the length of time they are taking to marry and have kids.......it's like mid-20's for marriage, and kids on your 30th birthday. That means they are entering the workplace without the slap-in-your-face-get-to-work-and-be-an-adult parenthood brings a person.......so of course the older generations (with their mortgages and other stresses) are going to look at these kids and hate them for being immature. Their stakes are not as high as yours, which means they have fixate on BS and ignore that which is actually important...... |
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Post by fshamrock on Oct 5, 2017 10:01:23 GMT -6
Interestingly enough, I just heard from a guy that the kids on his team are rallying around one of the players who lost everything in a flood and didn't have a whole lot to begin with, the players have started a campaign to get him elected homecoming king, they have all pitched in to upgrade his wardrobe and have signs made ready go
...we didnt do this type of stuff when I was a kid, much to the opposite actually, when I was in high school there was a group of kids that played some kind of fantasy card game in the library before school, me and my super cool buddies for some reason thought it was awesome to mess with these kids every day, sometimes just words, one time another guy took all the cards from them and ran off with them..typical douche bag kinda pranks.....for whatever reason this behavior wasn't really frowned upon by the school, I don't remember getting into trouble or even getting talked to.....not only would this kinda bull crap not be allowed now, I don't know that there are many kids who would even think to do it, and if they did it wouldn't be seen as cool and hilarious by the other kids, you would just come off a jerk..which we definitely were.
Millennials might be lazy, selfish, blah blah blah blah...but I've seen over and over that they treat each other better than we ever did. Seems to me that the weird kids are more comfortable being weird, the "cool" kids don't really give anybody else a hard time, in fact nobody really seems to care who the "cool" kids are in the first place.
They might show less pretend respect for authority than we did, but they seem to show a lot more character....I'm on team millennials
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Post by coachcb on Oct 5, 2017 10:03:51 GMT -6
@sconnieoc
I agree that there is a societal issue when it comes to people being "offended" and, again, I see it in the older generations. In my experience, it has just been more pervasive and blatant among the millennial generation. I'm 37 so I'm either considered a millennial or a "Xennial" and I have worked with a few people my age or younger that don't act like a yutz. It's just popping up more often than not, particularly with folks in their mid twenties to mid thirties. I've really tried to keep an open mind with it but there is certainly a "millennial culture" out there that has some negative attributes.
And, I can see it spilling into the older generations as well as they become more dependent on technology to communicate. Folks are losing their ability to handle confrontation and a difference of opinion because they are accustomed to having technological space. They are used to getting on social media and having nasty p-ssing matches with little to no social awareness because they're in front of a computer or phone.. Put them in a room where they're asked to share ideas and they have no clue how to collaborate or see a different point of view.
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Post by jrk5150 on Oct 5, 2017 10:06:16 GMT -6
Was at a business conference about 4 years ago and one of the keynote speakers did his thing on Millenials in the workplace. Got up with a piece of paper in his hand and started reading an article about how entitled the new generation in the workplace is and how they don't want to work for/earn what they get. On and on, probably read a full page of text, with everyone nodding. You could almost hear the "damn Millenials" in those nods. The guy stops, looks up, and pushes his clicker for his ppt presentation, and up pops a cover of a TIME magazine from 1991; he was reading an article about Gen X.
Yeah, every generation is different, and every generation is perceived as more different than they actually are.
Of course, generation Z is the one you're teaching/coaching right now, they aren't even Millenials anymore. Yes, I know some of you are talking about coworkers who ARE Millenials, but the new generation is about to if not already hitting the workplace.
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 5, 2017 12:26:15 GMT -6
Whatever generation is in schools now is far from kind to one another. For every 2 helping a flooded team mate there’s another 4-5 encouraging someone to die on social media. Or, to their face.
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Post by seabass on Oct 5, 2017 12:29:23 GMT -6
All old people sound the same...I'm old too....My only real issue with this generation is that their addiction to technology is hindering their ability to communicate. It's pretty damn hard to get anywhere without being able to effectively communicate.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 5, 2017 13:46:27 GMT -6
Whatever generation is in schools now is far from kind to one another. For every 2 helping a flooded team mate there’s another 4-5 encouraging someone to die on social media. Or, to their face. This is another issue that is being created by social media and technology. We had a big blowout during a study hall last year because some kids were sending nasty Snapchats to another student in the class. He went ballistic, chucked a desk across the room and had to be dragged away from another student. He would have kicked the chit out of anyone he got his hands on. I had the students that were picking at him in my next period and they were all talking tough. I was furious with them. I told them point blank that I doubted any of them actually had the guts to say to his face what they were sending over social media. It's pretty rare that a student sees me angry so they just sat there and took the tirade. Technology is producing a generation of chick chits. |
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Post by seabass on Oct 5, 2017 13:54:46 GMT -6
Whatever generation is in schools now is far from kind to one another. For every 2 helping a flooded team mate there’s another 4-5 encouraging someone to die on social media. Or, to their face. This is another issue that is being created by social media and technology. We had a big blowout during a study hall last year because some kids were sending nasty Snapchats to another student in the class. He went ballistic, chucked a desk across the room and had to be dragged away from another student. He would have kicked the chit out of anyone he got his hands on. I had the students that were picking at him in my next period and they were all talking tough. I was furious with them. I told them point blank that I doubted any of them actually had the guts to say to his face what they were sending over social media. It's pretty rare that a student sees me angry so they just sat there and took the tirade. Technology is producing a generation of chick chits. That is true! There is a lot more "fake tough guy" than there used to be. |
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Post by coachcb on Oct 5, 2017 14:39:06 GMT -6
This is another issue that is being created by social media and technology. We had a big blowout during a study hall last year because some kids were sending nasty Snapchats to another student in the class. He went ballistic, chucked a desk across the room and had to be dragged away from another student. He would have kicked the chit out of anyone he got his hands on. I had the students that were picking at him in my next period and they were all talking tough. I was furious with them. I told them point blank that I doubted any of them actually had the guts to say to his face what they were sending over social media. It's pretty rare that a student sees me angry so they just sat there and took the tirade. Technology is producing a generation of chick chits. That is true! There is a lot more "fake tough guy" than there used to be. And that brings me back to my original point about the millennial generation being socially inept. I see many of them struggling to work with co-workers because they are so used to being able to say whatever they want over Facebook, Twitter, etc... If they don't like the response they get over social media, they just click out of the app. You can't just say what you want and then "click out of the app" when you're in the middle of a staff meeting. |
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Post by Defcord on Oct 5, 2017 18:50:10 GMT -6
To be fair, the typical HR questions asked in many interviews are pointless, and don't reflect on how well one can do the job at hand. "Tell me a time when you had to resolve an issue at work." Ma'am, I can install and maintain the servers, enough with the stupid questions. The worst is the committee interviews for coaching. No way in hell should any parent ever be on those committees. Or anyone without a football background, for that matter. We ask those kinds of questions to determine how well a teacher plays well with others as a) there are times when they will be required to work within groups and b) so that we can determine how well they play with others overall. Over the years, I have coached and taught with many millennial teachers and have more issues with them than not. Life is easy with them as long as they don't have to interact on a group project or work within a committee. But it's a pain in the neck once you get into those situations. Yes, I run into the same types of issues with older teachers but not with near as much frequency. And, I have found that they don't handle conflict well. For example, I was working with three millennial teachers and a teacher my age on a massive thematic learning curriculum. The kids had to finish a certain number of projects and earn a "B" average on all of them if they wanted to go on a 10 day field trip to Washington DC at the end of the semester. Here is the short list of issues: 1. They each had their own STRONG opinions on the project content. They spent five hours bickering back and forth before the administration stepped in and made them compromise. Myself and the older teacher provided our 2 cents and tapped out early. 2. They spent another three hours fighting over how to grade the projects; each had a separate rubric and, again, the administration had to step in and come up with his own. 3. One of the kids did a p-ss poor job on one of the early projects and the three millennials got together and decided to give him a zero. This would have made his grade unrecoverable and he wouldn't have been able to go on the trip. His project certainly deserved an "F" but these three goons just decided he didn't earn any points at all. I told them that a) this wasn't a decision that the three of them should have been making on their own b) that it wasn't fair to the kid to drop him completely from the trip with only two out of eight projects under his belt and that c) it'd end up in front of the school board because of a and b and that would be there problem. Now, I was sitting down in a chair, ten feet away from them while detailing all of this to them. I wasn't raising my voice or using foul language but I was certainly stern as I wasn't happy. One of them stood up and said "I feel like you're being very aggressive right now, you're making me very uncomfortable and I need to leave." The other two left and all three went to the administration and tried to claim that I was being hostile. Thankfully there were two other teachers in the room who told the principal that they were full of chit. This is just one of several examples of poor interactions I have had with millennial teachers. Like I said, I have had bad run-ins with older teachers and coaches but there is a pattern of behavior that pops up continually with the millennials. And, it always revolves around any sort of issue with social interaction/functioning in a group. Right now, I'm a curriculum committee with three other teachers and two of them are millennials. We get absolutely NOTHING accomplished when we meet because these two people. I just sit back and draw football plays while they argue over stupid crap. They are so socially inept that they can't see any other opinion other than their own (FISH STICKS ARE ON TUESDAY!!!) and they refuse to stop and realize that they are wasting everyone's time over minute details. And, I completely blame their heavy use of technological communication. I would probably give technology a pass and chalk those three up to being douchers. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 6, 2017 6:26:47 GMT -6
To be fair, the typical HR questions asked in many interviews are pointless, and don't reflect on how well one can do the job at hand. "Tell me a time when you had to resolve an issue at work." Ma'am, I can install and maintain the servers, enough with the stupid questions. The worst is the committee interviews for coaching. No way in hell should any parent ever be on those committees. Or anyone without a football background, for that matter. We ask those kinds of questions to determine how well a teacher plays well with others as a) there are times when they will be required to work within groups and b) so that we can determine how well they play with others overall. Also, those questions are asked because they are an open ended question that allows the applicant to just talk, and therefore allows the interviewer a chance to just listen. For example murdr you (probably) would not respond the way you did in an interview, but obviously we see your mindset. Asking such open ended questions can possibly give the interviewer a way to see that your mindset seems like one that I would not want as an employee at a firm. As a contracted worker, hired just to do a task once, sure- all I care about is your ability to install the servers. But so can a lot of other people, so if you are going to be around my team for a while, I might want some other qualities as well. Another example obviously is some of your replies here. Open ended questions get a conversation going, and that can help reveal traits that wouldn't ordinarily come up. You have consistently shown (to me anyway, but I am fairly certain many other coaches here agree) that you just don't seem to have a grasp on what is important, and what is not important. In the same vein, I could very well come off like a condescending, know- it- all douche' in an interview. Both would be character traits that potential employees would want to know. |
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Post by dubber on Oct 6, 2017 7:16:42 GMT -6
This is another issue that is being created by social media and technology. We had a big blowout during a study hall last year because some kids were sending nasty Snapchats to another student in the class. He went ballistic, chucked a desk across the room and had to be dragged away from another student. He would have kicked the chit out of anyone he got his hands on. I had the students that were picking at him in my next period and they were all talking tough. I was furious with them. I told them point blank that I doubted any of them actually had the guts to say to his face what they were sending over social media. It's pretty rare that a student sees me angry so they just sat there and took the tirade. Technology is producing a generation of chick chits. That is true! There is a lot more "fake tough guy" than there used to be. I think that's BS. Guys have always gotten more tail and won more fights in the stories they tell their buddies. |
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