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Post by SconnieOC on Feb 20, 2019 13:26:14 GMT -6
Most D3 schools to most state schools? I'd imagine it's about a $20k average difference. Not every D.3 school is a private school. Secondly, private schools that have recruited a kid will often come up with an aid package to get costs down to at or near state schools's. It's not even if they are recruited. Some schools are a bit more shady than others and "find a way" but by rule, athletic recruiting cannot impact a student's financial aid. Not to say it doesn't. Wisconsin has 8 football playing public D3 schools, after academic scholarships, and the FAFSA stuff, many of the privates end up being the same or cheaper per year.
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Post by SconnieOC on Feb 18, 2019 14:33:35 GMT -6
Why is celebrating someone going to college a bad thing? I mean I've seen schools have a big ceremony for every student who plans on continuing their education after high school whether its 4 year, 2 year, tech school, trades, whatever. They are encouraging people to try and be successful.. why is that wrong? If a kid gets a PWO at a D1 school, celebrate the crap out of that kid, if a kid is joining a d3 roster of 150, who cares, celebrate the crap out of the kid. I don't understand this latest trend of coaches turning up their noses at things that make their own players feel good about themselves. Don't you want your younger players to see this stuff so they get excited and maybe work a little bit harder for you so they can achieve those dreams? I don't disagree. I think what some people have experienced though, are guys who DIDN'T "work a little bit harder" didn't do what the program asked, didn't set a good example, heck DIDN'T even start or receive significant playing time trying to share the limelight with those who did. I'll agree with you there. No doubt there are some kids who don't deserve the chance to be continuing to play, which is unfortunate for the guys who have worked really hard. The reality is that some schools have to recruit numbers, and end up with guys who didn't start just to fill a bed in the dorm. I feel like between parents and kids along with us as coaches, can do a better job educating people on the reality of what some of those places are. I saw online that Arizona Christian (NAIA) signed 92 freshmen.. I mean that's an absolute joke, and there needs to be people attempting to educate these kids about that.
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Post by SconnieOC on Feb 18, 2019 13:48:41 GMT -6
In the age of " Make everyoneHappy" Our school has anyone going on to play at the next level sit down with a pen and blank piece of paper and have their photo take. mom and Dad are invited oh its a Hoot !! Dang we even had a PWO do it !! Why is celebrating someone going to college a bad thing? I mean I've seen schools have a big ceremony for every student who plans on continuing their education after high school whether its 4 year, 2 year, tech school, trades, whatever. They are encouraging people to try and be successful.. why is that wrong? If a kid gets a PWO at a D1 school, celebrate the crap out of that kid, if a kid is joining a d3 roster of 150, who cares, celebrate the crap out of the kid. I don't understand this latest trend of coaches turning up their noses at things that make their own players feel good about themselves. Don't you want your younger players to see this stuff so they get excited and maybe work a little bit harder for you so they can achieve those dreams?
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Post by SconnieOC on Feb 6, 2019 9:23:04 GMT -6
Good question. I think there's a pretty consistent mindset, especially in big games for teams to take a shot after a TO. Maybe he's looking to see if McVay is getting overly excited or something? I don't know. I sometimes look at the other coach just to see how they're reacting to stuff we're doing but that might just be more for my pleasure if I see them suffering
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Post by SconnieOC on Jan 29, 2019 14:12:12 GMT -6
I think there is nothing wrong with kids doing a ceremony for a D3 school. As a former D3 guy, I'm biased, but we only carried about 90. I mean why is it a problem for celebrating an athletes success? The problem is kids don't do their research.. School's have rosters posted, if they have 80 guys who don't have a number next to their name on the website, that's on the kid for not realizing there's 190 on a team.
I've got some buddies who coach at that level and they say they don't always have time to contact a high school coach with how many kids that they are told they have to recruit. If a staff of 5 guys has to bring in 100 freshmen, they need to recruit probably 400-500 kids. Some won't be great, but they sure can't contact every coach, which leads to some of the stuff that has been said. I can imagine with the influx of Hudl, they don't need to ask for film, because they can just google it and see the kids tape.
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Post by SconnieOC on Dec 1, 2018 15:11:23 GMT -6
I get dressed before we go out for warmups. But I've got a great pair of Under Armour khakis that are really comfortable, and I only wear hot jackets/hoodies with just a t-shirt under so I'm never really that uncomfortable to start. My first year as a coach the whole staff had to wear polos on the sideline, and it was awful. I hated being all tucked in and restricted... I don't know how anyone does it
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Post by SconnieOC on Nov 30, 2018 7:59:36 GMT -6
We tell our guys to celebrate and enjoy the moment. It's not easy to score TD's. It's all well and good as long as it's within reason.
For example, the last game of the year, we had a chance to break the school record for scoring. We ended up 6 points short, but after the game a couple of the seniors told me they had a planned celebration with the offense if we broke it. They were all going to run down and whoever scored the TD was going to be the "photographer" and they were going to take a mock group photo. We had 8 seniors on offense who overcame a lot, including just not being very talented, to have a great year. I can't say that I would have been mad at that penalty (as long as the game was put away at that point). Sometimes kids need to be kids.
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Post by SconnieOC on Oct 10, 2018 7:24:40 GMT -6
Mullin hasn't recruited anybody yet. Right now I wouldn't be using malzahn who is going to get fired this year, or harbaugh, and outside of Watson Clemson is ok...the gurus they are not...anymore. Asks for offensive guys who recruit and their teams are playing defense. Is given list of offensive coaches who have a history of recruiting great players and whose defenses are in the top 10 in the country. States "Oh, I wouldn't be using those guys...." Of course you wouldn't use those guys @grad17 . Follow the money people Follow the money! It is incredible how anytime @grad17 interjects anything into a conversation, it does, or has significant potential to spiral off. I mean its really epic troll stuff. Somehow he knows exactly what to say to make everyone want to jump his a$$. Mullin hasn't recruited anyone? Uhhh Tebow, Dak Prescott, not to mention all the dudes he recruited who just beat a top 10 team on Saturday. Malzahn is not getting fired, and Clemson is ok..? I just.. I can't help but reply to you because of the pure ignorance that comes from your mind... I've said it to you before.. Kudos on being the CoachHuey #1 Troll
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Post by SconnieOC on Oct 9, 2018 12:16:27 GMT -6
I have worked for 3 HC's, all defensive guys, although the guy I work for now used to be an OC, and switched over when he hired our OC. I'm probably going to get blasted for this, but there is some logic to it being predominately offensive guys(footballscoop had an article a while back about this topic). Maybe college is different than high school, but current FBS HC's were overwhelmingly former QBs and OL, with a decent amount of WR's mixed in, if I remember correctly. Is it possible that those top 2 positions create the best HC's? QBs have to think about the game differently than any other player, they understand it better (generally, that's a pretty broad statement), the good ones are usually an extra coach on the field. OL have to be selfless, and tough, both qualities a HC needs to have, and they understand the toughest/most important aspect of any team, and that's OL play. I also think when a job opens up, and admins are looking at candidates, if it comes down to 2 guys to take over a program, their instinct is probably going to be with who creates the most excitement, and gets butts in the seats, and that's offensive guys right now. So they may just have more opportunities afforded to them. I'm not going to blast you for it, but I don't agree that QBs and OL create the best HCs. Every player on defense needs to be selfless in order for a defense to be successful. I've coached many DBs and LBs who were an extra coach on the field. I've also coached DL who could explain run fits and how the coverage affected fits. That's just my opinion though. And I don't mean to say that defensive coaches are/will be terrible HC's because they are defensive guys. I think we've all coached special guys on both sides of the ball who would make great coaches. Ol Bill and Nick are doing pretty well at the highest levels as defensive guys.. I don't think there is a formula, just offering an opinion.. wasn't meaning to sound like defensive guys aren't smart, or extra coaches, or whatever.
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Post by SconnieOC on Oct 8, 2018 7:32:15 GMT -6
I have worked for 3 HC's, all defensive guys, although the guy I work for now used to be an OC, and switched over when he hired our OC.
I'm probably going to get blasted for this, but there is some logic to it being predominately offensive guys(footballscoop had an article a while back about this topic). Maybe college is different than high school, but current FBS HC's were overwhelmingly former QBs and OL, with a decent amount of WR's mixed in, if I remember correctly. Is it possible that those top 2 positions create the best HC's? QBs have to think about the game differently than any other player, they understand it better (generally, that's a pretty broad statement), the good ones are usually an extra coach on the field. OL have to be selfless, and tough, both qualities a HC needs to have, and they understand the toughest/most important aspect of any team, and that's OL play.
I also think when a job opens up, and admins are looking at candidates, if it comes down to 2 guys to take over a program, their instinct is probably going to be with who creates the most excitement, and gets butts in the seats, and that's offensive guys right now. So they may just have more opportunities afforded to them.
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Post by SconnieOC on Oct 1, 2018 12:24:26 GMT -6
I always feel that we've got a pretty good culture, but inevitably one or two of these pop of every year. We had a junior WR who wasn't in the 2 deep going into game 1, and couldn't figure out why. He comes in to meet with me and I ask him why he thinks he should be in the 2 deep..
"Well coach, I showed up to every 6 am lift all off-season (true), I outworked every guy at my position (not true) and the other WR's told me I should be starting" (so 2 of the guys who are ahead of you, told you that you're better than them? not true).
Kids are so frickin clueless. In his defense, he has worked a lot harder, and has had a better attitude, and is now starting on several special teams. It probably helps we've outscored our last 3 opponents like 156-10, so he's played a lot of minutes in garbage time. We'll see how this week goes when we play the big dogs
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Post by SconnieOC on Sept 20, 2018 13:55:21 GMT -6
I check out the crowd to find the hot moms and relay useless facts and funny stories to the DC while we watch our offense average 3 points over 3 weeks. My First year as an OC, we were terrible.. almost as bad as our defense. So we weren't on the field much, and our defense was. I spent a lot of second halves counting the clock, and asking the booth guys where the low cut shirts were in the bleachers.
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Post by SconnieOC on Sept 18, 2018 7:59:48 GMT -6
When I was a junior in college we were playing a conference bottom feeder.. we were up like 50-6 or something in the 4th quarter. Our 3's and 4's are in and we were a triple option team. Our 4th string fullback busted a veer give for a 50 yd TD because they were blitzing everyone.. Their HC goes nuts, almost fights our header in the handshake.. as a player, it was a wild scene.
Fast forward a few years, they've improved quite a bit, and our program had taken a couple steps back... they get up big in the 2nd half, and he puts in the guys who ran the scout team triple all week to try and score on us with our own system. They end up punching one in with a PA pass on the last play of the game. He walks out to shake hands, and gives our HC the box score from that game a few years ago, with the last TD highlighted and says "Karma's a bish".
2 years later he's fired for gross recruiting violations.. so I guess Karma is brutal..
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Post by SconnieOC on Aug 13, 2018 12:46:11 GMT -6
Just Texted our QB saying he wants to come out for football. Our Scrimmage is Tomorrow. The kid quit after his freshman year. Multiple D1 offers in other sports. 6'4", 210lb, 4.6, 30+ vertical. He would like to only play Wide Receiver. We're 12/21 personnel and the other Wide-out is a 6'5 4.9 guy. At a school of 195. I went in to this season thinking we would get to level 3 in the playoffs. This addition could be the difference in getting to level 4 or state. Anybody handled a situation like this before? We're going to have a discussion about expectations and playing time. This would cut into a lot of guys time that worked hard all off season and have stuck with our program. Why bring a question like this to a public forum? You are the HFC at your school...you know both your school's, and your community's values, and only you really knows ALL of the details surrounding the situation involving this kid. Regardless of what you decide to do in this situation...you best be discussing this with your Administration asap. They are the ones that you are going to need to have your back when the stuff hits the fan!! Isn't this the point of the forum....? To bring situations like this up, so people can discuss and see other's view points... Even if we weren't able to help Wiscoach, maybe someone read this and instituted a policy, or realized that their policy was too aggressive. This is a group effort. Personally, I'm glad he brought this up.. I've never experienced it, and now I've had to put some thought into it.
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Post by SconnieOC on Aug 10, 2018 8:59:02 GMT -6
Here's the question no one is asking... is he a hard worker in other sports? Do the guys respect him? Is he a great kid, who just decided he wanted to try football, even though he has been working extremely hard at other things? If it's a yes to those things, kids will get it. Sure, little 5'9, 165 Johnny might be upset because he'll miss snaps, but the players who care about the team, and lifting the trophy in the last game, will get over it real quick when this kid is Mossin dudes for 6.
The other thing, everyone wants to mention life lessons for the late comer.. what about life lessons for the other kids? How many coaches on here can say they have been passed over by guys who didn't work as hard, who were more naturally talented, whatever it might be, and they were pissed about it. I don't care what your job is, at some point, no matter how hard you work, something probably isn't going to work out in your favor. And to me, that's the best life lesson you can teach some of these kids. Everyone always says how important it is to teach hard work, and work ethic always pays off.. well bull$hit.. it absolutely does not. And the sooner they learn life isn't fair, the better off they will be.
**Edit** Sorry for the cynicism.. it's been a rough start to the season and I'm struggling already.
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Post by SconnieOC on Aug 6, 2018 7:38:45 GMT -6
I thought I heard that Riddell is done making uniforms or that they are going to stop sometime soon. Has anyone else heard this? I know I heard this about Russell, but not Riddell.
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Post by SconnieOC on Aug 6, 2018 7:35:40 GMT -6
Something you need to know when it comes to Nike, UA and Adidas. They rotate designs every 3-4 years. So as we all know, what happens is a kid loses a jersey, one gets ripped, mom bleaches one ect... So now its 3 years after the 1st purchase and now you cant replace 4-5 jerseys because they have removed that style. Little known fact, Rippon uniforms makes most of the NFL jersey's, they just saw on the swosh or what have you. If you want a jersey that you can replace no matter what no matter when, Rippon is your vendor. They keep your design on file FOREVER. Now it doesn't have the cool swosh on it, but its high quality and if you need to replace a jersey you can. The cost is the same as Nike, Adidas and UA. They are great people, supper easy to work with and the stuff is delivered when they say they will. If your going to spend 20-30K you want it to last more than 3 years....unless you have money to burn. You can design your own jersey, add your mascot, whatever you want. Rippon is the best around I am telling you they will make you happy. Ripon Athletic is a tremendous company, and they do make 30 of the 32 NFL teams jerseys. We have these and never have a problem with the quality, or the service. We've used these for a long time, and have never had a single issue. We custom designed our last jersey and pant, and got them cheaper than a Nike top would be. I'll strongly make this recommendation as well.
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Post by SconnieOC on Aug 2, 2018 7:38:47 GMT -6
Last year I was playing qb for our scout offense most of the season, as we're a triple team, and our starter doesn't throw it great, much less our 2 and 3. Our DC (HC also), I love him to death, but his scout cards often dont make sense... drawing up 10 pers zone read in the backfield, but nothing for the OL guys... and we don't really run true zone, so they don't naturally understand it, or things like running flood, but on the cards its a 5 yd out from 3, and a 7 yd out from 2.. jsut little things that on film might look right, but don't really make sense.
So as the season goes along, I start taking some liberties and slightly adjusting cards and concepts to make sense, as well as adding in some RPO stuff when it was something we'd see that week (he doesn't draw up RPO's, its either a run or a pass, no reads, which obviously isn't how it goes.)
We head into our big rivalry week, and we've got 3 or 4 defensive starters who are banged up and not practicing every day, so the DC is obviously pretty puckered up, and we just shredded them, like 13 straight completions in 7 on 7 with scout team guys.. and he's getting pretty red faced. After practice during our coaches meeting he comes absolutely unglued about how I'm trying to show him up, and I need to run EXACTLY what's on the card, or I'll be selling hot dogs next week. The rest of the staff was doing everything they could not to laugh
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Post by SconnieOC on Jul 26, 2018 8:22:20 GMT -6
Yes. Meyer and Herman are some of the worst. Had a buddy that was with Herman for about a week and quit because Herman was the biggest {censored} you could imagine to him and the staff. Not everyone is like that though. Good friend of mine interned under Meyer at Florida, has not 1 nice thing to say about it I've got a buddy who coached D2/D3 ball in Ohio and said when Tressel was there, it was an open invitation for anyone to come by at anytime. He said there would be 100 small college coaches working the camps, and Tressel got to know them (which I'm not saying is a mandate by any means) and they'd get free beer and food every day. Urban got there and basically locked the doors, and at camps would be on the field for 15 minutes to eval the guys they wanted, and then would go back to his office until the post camp talk. Wouldn't talk to anyone.. He also told me about a GA they had who had an interview at OSU for a GA gig.. Meyer came into the DC's office during the meeting to ask the DC something, and didn't even acknowledge the guy interviewing. He fortunately got another offer from Northwestern the same week, and decided that was a better fit.
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Post by SconnieOC on Jul 26, 2018 6:47:57 GMT -6
We just had 3 kids quit in the last week, citing different reasons.. When our kids are there, our staff is there, but we don't waste time sitting around.. as I stated in my previous post. It sucks for you that you have to work with guys who make excuses and don't show up, probably more indicative of the program you're a part of than the general football culture. Steve Spurrier is notorious for playing a TON of golf in the summer, his thoughts... get your stuff done and get out... is he an average coach? It's guys like you that this post is about... calling people average because they value family and free time. I'm sorry that you're mind and viewpoint of what "hard work" is has become so warped I personally love the guys I work with. I am just telling what see and hear from my kids and see in my program. And we are not unique in our area. You have to be a troll.. I mean there's no way you can talk out of both sides of your mouth like this without knowing you're doing it. Your post that I quoted was about you complaining about guys who can't set their alarm and show up.. and your next one you say you love the guys you work with but the kids don't buy it. Maybe you're ok with guys being late or missing things and your kids aren't? If the kids want them fired because they are never there, and you still love them... what's wrong with that picture? I will give you props.. you certainly get guys on this board talking. Troll master level 1000
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Post by SconnieOC on Jul 25, 2018 13:49:25 GMT -6
None of what I said is about being late to a meeting and then asking for a promotion...? I just said there's really no reason to spend all that time... its generally unnecessary. Many of us, myself included often make too big a deal out of this game. It's my passion, and my livelihood, but I will never let it affect how my son is raised, or how my wife is treated. Of course there are times that she understands she kind of takes a backseat (in season specifically), but I'm never going to be the guy who sits around the office in June throwing pencils at the ceiling and watching hours of NFL/D1 video clips. I do that at night when the family goes to bed. Which is exactly what this thread is referencing, along with overworking kids kid are not choosing to skip football because they are over worked. They work 2x aas hard at video games, summer job, school, gettin' some. And they still find time to drink smoke weed, or whatever. The reason do not come is because they justifiably see a double standard. The players are suppose to at x number of work outs a week during summer. Most coaches can't be but once a week during summer. Coaches justify just the way you did. " I am a man, I have kids I have to feed!" That is the average coach. But when the kid misses a work out, "we a part of a brother hood, you be lettin' your brothers down" from same coach who does his weekly appearance. The kid rightfully so flip the coach the bird. You want to say we spend to much bs'ing? I wouldn't argue that. We do a lot of thing that simply defy logic and is done because. That does not justify the double standard many coaches have when it comes to their players. Its the adults not the kids. Kids play every other virtually year round down here. Its not work that is the problem, and you are not fooling them. We just had 3 kids quit in the last week, citing different reasons.. When our kids are there, our staff is there, but we don't waste time sitting around.. as I stated in my previous post. It sucks for you that you have to work with guys who make excuses and don't show up, probably more indicative of the program you're a part of than the general football culture. Steve Spurrier is notorious for playing a TON of golf in the summer, his thoughts... get your stuff done and get out... is he an average coach? It's guys like you that this post is about... calling people average because they value family and free time. I'm sorry that you're mind and viewpoint of what "hard work" is has become so warped
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Post by SconnieOC on Jul 25, 2018 12:12:01 GMT -6
These questions are the differences right? A lot of young guys don't get it. They want to talk about being a harda$$.. Guys with kids and a wife don't own their own time anymore so grinding takes a back seat. I love golfing and fishing, but I've fished twice all year, and golfed maybe 4 times (2 of which being outings to support our program). It's certainly not because I'm in the office for 8 hours a day. no, it's not about being a hard azz.Adults make decisions on what is important just as kids do. Kids, no kid, married, divorce, adults own their time. Kids own their time. When that kids comes to us in his junior year about getting help for college We pull his time one in wt Rm and look at his grades. Wouldn't you Know it his commitment to wt rm and grades are identical. Oh and btw he has had every chance to be a starter and consistently finds his way to the pine. Same with asst. Coaches. Want to go to said college game or watch the game. Can't set the alarm clock to be at a meeting, this that or the other..want to guess who lined up to be dc in January? None of what I said is about being late to a meeting and then asking for a promotion...? I just said there's really no reason to spend all that time... its generally unnecessary. Many of us, myself included often make too big a deal out of this game. It's my passion, and my livelihood, but I will never let it affect how my son is raised, or how my wife is treated. Of course there are times that she understands she kind of takes a backseat (in season specifically), but I'm never going to be the guy who sits around the office in June throwing pencils at the ceiling and watching hours of NFL/D1 video clips. I do that at night when the family goes to bed. Which is exactly what this thread is referencing, along with overworking kids
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Post by SconnieOC on Jul 25, 2018 9:26:08 GMT -6
aha! So now you are doing it at gun point! Ultimately you are whining about something you choose to do. And ultimately you have own version of fortunate I.e wife and kids. Few questions, and indulge me if you've answered these somewhere else- How old are? How long have you been coaching? Assistant or head and how long if HC? What is your marital status? Any kids? These questions are the differences right? A lot of young guys don't get it. They want to talk about being a harda$$.. Guys with kids and a wife don't own their own time anymore so grinding takes a back seat. I love golfing and fishing, but I've fished twice all year, and golfed maybe 4 times (2 of which being outings to support our program). It's certainly not because I'm in the office for 8 hours a day.
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Post by SconnieOC on Mar 19, 2018 13:55:18 GMT -6
I'll start this by saying I have no experience in this area, so this could be a terrible idea
Sell your program's ability to prepare them for college football. There's enough crazy ass parents out there who if the dream of college athletics is in their head, money won't be a concern. Talk about playing in the quarterfinals, more games=more preparation for the next level. Rigorous class schedules lead to better prepared college students. Come up with a way to equate your program with the next level.
With that being said, I don't think you can blatantly lie to kids. Some of what I said is true, some is a bit far fetched, but if you can find a way to overcome those dollar signs in their eyes, you might have a chance at a couple.
Now that I typed that and re-read it.. I don't think it's a great idea.. but I'll still leave it here for you.
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Post by SconnieOC on Feb 14, 2018 8:36:01 GMT -6
I'm 30.. played tackle from 7th grade up until 5 years of college. I was an injury magnet in college.. tore my labrum in my left shoulder as a sophomore, had to have a surgery that they botched so I got a freebie 2nd surgery. Tore up everything in my knee except ACL as a junior, the only lingering pain I have from that is when there's a big temp change and it gets stiff.. As a senior I dislocated the same shoulder, but didn't miss more than a couple of plays, and later that year took a stinger on the other side that's caused some lingering nerve damage, which is basically just when I sleep on it wrong..
Had 4 concussions (diagnosed) in all my time.. 1 in baseball when a 1 hopper took a weird bounce of the lip and hit me in the face, also broke my nose.. 1 in hoops in high school when I stupidly tried to go up for a dunk on a fast break vs our rival and the dude undercut me, probably lucky it wasn't worse. 1 my freshman year of college football when our All-American LB caught me just right in a scrimmage and 1 my senior year when I tried to go over a guy into the endzone, got flipped, landed on my head and of course, didn't score. This one wasn't truly diagnosed, but I had all the symptoms.. but I wasn't telling the trainer and missing any of my senior year.
So all in all not too bad.
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Post by SconnieOC on Feb 8, 2018 13:28:46 GMT -6
How long will this thread keep going? Possibly forever if ol 'Dirt keeps spouting gibberish... To answer one of the original questions.. I think a huge threat to the game is lack of information, especially in the minds of youth parents, and future parents. If they believe the game is too dangerous, they won't let their kids play, on whatever level that may be. There has to be a movement to show the general public that our game does not just consist of those "Friday Night Tykes" type coaches who are clinically insane. Taught that if your kid plays football he's not going to leave the game brain damaged.. taught that football (and sports in general, but I think most of us would agree football does it better than others) can teach incredible life lessons on teamwork, perseverance, and accountability. I don't have these answers, other than being able to converse with these types of people in 1 on 1 settings. I'm 30, so I have a lot of friends who have young kids, and when the subject comes up, and they say they don't want them to play football, I do my best to speak to their experiences as high school and college players and hope they see the light.. The other big concern I have, and I have zero clue if there even is a solution... kids these days have so many options. Its not just about sitting behind a screen all day as they grow up, but between video games, the trumpet, science club, sport specialization, etc. I think there may be a future decline in all sports.. not just football.. not to mention the increase on emphasis for individuality that I believe has a direct effect on team sports.
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Post by SconnieOC on Jan 26, 2018 10:53:44 GMT -6
Yeah... A few years ago I took the Head Baseball position at my school out of necessity (nobody was interested). It had been 10 years since I'd coached baseball so I thought I should go to a clinic to catch up with the "times". The first presenter wore his uni, I thought it was a joke to get a chuckle from the crowd, but every other guy did as well, l thought it was odd as too... Along these lines, I have always argued one of the stupidest rules in sports is that a baseball coach has to be in full uniform. I often have said other sports should have to do it as well. HFC=Shoulder Pads and Helmets HBBC-Old school Larry Bird shorts Head Swim Coach-Swim Suit ladies; Speedo boys But some baseball guys I think just really like to wear the uniform, maybe helps to relive the glory days. Not sure I was so intrigued by this I went and talked to our baseball coach. He said it's the norm. If guys are speaking on skills, they'll wear the uniform, if it's about culture or development, not as much, but then he said some guys just wear them to fit in. He also said he loves to wear his. Not necessarily at clinics and what not, but in general. And if you think about it.. especially if they don't wear the high socks look, its basically just sweatpants with pin stripes
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Post by SconnieOC on Jan 22, 2018 21:02:27 GMT -6
Obviously the general feeling has been established but I'll throw my 2 cents...
At my HS, which was small, most guys played 2, if not 3 sports. Our Football and Bball programs were really successful (semi's in football, undefeated conference season in hoops) but our baseball program was a joke. We won a lot because of talent, but no where near where should have been for most of my career. Our senior year myself and a couple of other guys really took it upon ourselves to try and change the culture. Great story, we had practice the day before our first round playoff game, and our HC ended it early because, and I'm not $hitting you, because he had to go to an all you can eat shrimp and corn on the cob picnic.. I wish I was making this up.
The seniors took it upon ourselves to scramble enough balls and bats together to keep practice running, because the HC took all the gear under the guise of liability, and continued to go through our normal pre-game practice. The baseball team has been on a pretty good run since... There's more that goes into that, including better commitment, good talent, and eventually a new HC, but I like to think we had a hand in changing that culture a bit.
I think you hope that the values you instill in your guys during the summer and fall, can carry over to other sports and help them be successful, or at the very least, your guys stay at neutral and don't take any steps backwards.
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Post by SconnieOC on Dec 15, 2017 11:07:31 GMT -6
First of all.. that dude has guys to throw to.. he's throwing bubbles, and the kid runs for 70 yds.. that's pretty helpful to the stat line.
I think depending on the system, completion % is a bit overrated with all the bubbles, and now screens people throw. When I was a GA the QB I coached was 26-27 for 280 and 4 TDs. He threw 5 passes more than 10 yds, and we had great WR's. Stat line looks amazing, but most guys can throw a hitch.
I have a buddy who's a D2 coach at a pretty good school, just went undefeated and blew a big lead in the playoffs to end their season.. I've told him about several kids who I think are a steal, and he can't offer them because they are 6'0 DEs. He knows they are good, but if they miss on a kid who was too small, they get fired.. and that's at a level where they don't recruit stars. My best friend in high school was #12 OG in the country... absolute stud.. Couldn't get a single Power 5 offer because he was 6'1. Was a 4 year starter and won a FCS national championship. Measurables matter more than anything else at that level.
Many (not all, I know there are some great ones out there) D1 coaches are arrogant guys who feel that if they get a guy who looks good, they can fix any problems he has. Especially a QB coach or OC who wants to be a HC.. if they can groom a guy some duumbass AD will get excited about him and hire him because he took one guy who has a cannon, and can run like a deer, and put up stupid video game numbers.
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Post by SconnieOC on Oct 30, 2017 10:28:17 GMT -6
Last year The OL and I went to Quaker Steak and Lube for wing night before the first game. Everybody did a pretty good job being responsible with their intake, until 2 dumb young guys decide to order their hottest wings to prove their toughness. The kid who actually ate all 6 ended up puking in the lobby right in front of the hostess station, couldn't make it outside in time.
We weren't invited back.
Edit - Not the night before the game, but week of.
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