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Post by ryanhath on Feb 6, 2019 9:17:09 GMT -6
NFL films released mic'd up SBLIII, and in one clip, Belichick is trying to get eyes on McVay (2nd video here):
He's even asking coaches on his headset where he is and they find him for him.
My question is why? Do you do this as a coach? Composure? I have to admit I do not. When I am up in the booth, I watch the opposing coaches but that's more for substitutions or how long they are talking to a certain player (e.g.coach probably won't talk to a wide out specifically for a dive play.)
I know Belichick has talked about watching Carroll during the SB interception play and didn't call a timeout because something didnt look right, but I didnt know this was so routine.
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Post by SconnieOC on Feb 6, 2019 9:23:04 GMT -6
Good question. I think there's a pretty consistent mindset, especially in big games for teams to take a shot after a TO. Maybe he's looking to see if McVay is getting overly excited or something? I don't know. I sometimes look at the other coach just to see how they're reacting to stuff we're doing but that might just be more for my pleasure if I see them suffering
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Post by fshamrock on Feb 6, 2019 9:57:55 GMT -6
I'll make the obligatory comment about how he has probably studied hours of videotape on how Mcvay acts before he calls certain plays
i mean.....it's not like it's outside the realm of possibility
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Post by hunhdisciple on Feb 6, 2019 10:10:25 GMT -6
I would assume it's 100% body language. If he's still cool after mistakes will probably change his decision making as compared to if he's really heated. If he looks like he might be pressing, or confused.
He's the best for a reason, and tiny details like that help create legends.
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Post by hunhdisciple on Feb 6, 2019 10:13:40 GMT -6
Good question. I think there's a pretty consistent mindset, especially in big games for teams to take a shot after a TO. Maybe he's looking to see if McVay is getting overly excited or something? I don't know. I sometimes look at the other coach just to see how they're reacting to stuff we're doing but that might just be more for my pleasure if I see them suffering I worked under an HC who would watch what happened to the coach after we kept running right as his CB. If we had success and the coach was really trying to coach him up, he knew it was time to call a HB pass. Watching how other people react to you is a big deal, at least in my opinion.
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Post by hunhdisciple on Feb 6, 2019 11:13:32 GMT -6
I would assume it's 100% body language. If he's still cool after mistakes will probably change his decision making as compared to if he's really heated. If he looks like he might be pressing, or confused. He's the best for a reason, and tiny details like that help create legends. and BB has probably watched all 20+ broadcast of the rams and on top of all 22 He has cut-ups of just McVay's eyes, dating back to college. And he knows when he eyes get a certain diameter without exceeding a certain diameter, exactly what play he called.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 6, 2019 12:09:55 GMT -6
and BB has probably watched all 20+ broadcast of the rams and on top of all 22 He has cut-ups of just McVay's eyes, dating back to college. And he knows when he eyes get a certain diameter without exceeding a certain diameter, exactly what play he called. Gotta wear shades.
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Post by rwb32497 on Feb 6, 2019 12:49:49 GMT -6
We found a tendency from a coach a few seasons a go in a really big playoff game. The QB coach would always be yelling or signaling to the QB on Pass plays. He was a young guy and did a lot of extra on the sideline. On run plays he would just stand there with his hands on his hips. We shut them out by the way.
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Post by fshamrock on Feb 6, 2019 12:56:11 GMT -6
We found a tendency from a coach a few seasons a go in a really big playoff game. The QB coach would always be yelling or signaling to the QB on Pass plays. He was a young guy and did a lot of extra on the sideline. On run plays he would just stand there with his hands on his hips. We shut them out by the way. hahahahaha...that's fantastic I can picture the dude, pass plays he's waving around and yelling, frosted tips in his hair bouncing all over, yin yang tattoo on full display run plays he puts his hands in his pockets and walks around all sad kicking rocks, doesn't even watch the play, looking at him mom in the stands and her telling him it's gonna be okay I always laughed at those passing game guru stereotypes as all in good fun and not really true until I got here and the first home game our passing game guru/signaler ducked into the weight room before kickoff and did some bi's and tri's, pumping up them arms before we went out to signal
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Post by funkfriss on Feb 6, 2019 13:26:05 GMT -6
He has cut-ups of just McVay's eyes, dating back to college. And he knows when he eyes get a certain diameter without exceeding a certain diameter, exactly what play he called. Gotta wear shades. I remember catching Grambling St. games on TV some years back and seeing their coach in shades (and a suit) in the Superdome thinking he was a bit out of place. Maybe he was just smarter than everyone else
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Feb 6, 2019 13:32:06 GMT -6
Things I try to notice...
Run plays the OC will stand way behind the Offense Pass plays they are at the LOS or on the defensive side of the ball
Longer play call = pass
One coach did a hands on hips vs arms crossed thing...
I agree with who else he talks to after the play call - WR, WR coach, OL, OL Coach, etc...
Innocent hand movements - like miming a release or hand going vertical showing a WR to get deep, or hand placement on a block, etc.
What side of the call sheet he is looking at
The last second yell to the QB (Look for the post!!!!) - love that one...
Pointing to the secondary as to who the QB should be reading - or pointing to a side of the field
When he is looking for that one kid to sub him in - it is for a reason...
Those are unintended signals - but if they signal their plays, then you can see what they are calling and look for obvious tendencies there as well..
As well as what others have already mentioned...
So much to learn if you are willing and able to take the time... I have a DC calling the game which allows me to look for other bits of info and I love to look...
When I call the Offense I work hard to be boring with my actions haha - I rarely succeed... I get excited... BB would probably chew me up haha
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Post by cqmiller on Feb 6, 2019 13:32:13 GMT -6
I guarantee that there was something they saw on film that gave them an indication as to what was about to happen... every time HUDL or Scouting comes up I always tell this story and so many guys always respond with "I would never do that, it seems like it could be a waste of time"
About 10 years ago (when everyone was running the 3-3-5 because of West Virginia) we were facing a pretty good team out in CA that was causing all kinds of problems with their fronts. Every few plays I would notice their Nose would be in a different stance (rt or lt handed). After about 10 plays I started charting it and every time his left hand was down, he slanted right and every time is right hand was down he slanted left. Used the non-down hand to club, then ripped into the gap with his hand that was down. I emailed our OL coach and had him check the 2 outside guys for the same thing.
100% tendency. They were taught to club & rip that way in both directions. Our OL knew which way the DL were going... meaning they knew where the blitzing LBs were coming EVERY SNAP before the play ever started. Easy to pass pro a blitzing front when you know the blitz ahead of time. Took us about 1 hour of work to get something that absolutely helped us in the game on Friday night. Every odd stack team we face, we do the same thing now. it is a tendency for a lot of guys that play head-up techniques from what we have seen.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 6, 2019 13:46:05 GMT -6
On a side note, our audible call for gut (trap that looks like buck sweep), is “sweep”.
Nothing like running sweep well a couple of times in a row and me yelling “on the ball. On the ball. Sweep. Sweep.” And then watching the FB gash them up the middle.
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Post by wolverine55 on Feb 6, 2019 13:48:14 GMT -6
Not a coach tell, but in a rainy game last season, we noticed about midway through the first quarter every time a pass play came to the opponent's huddle: the WRs would grab the QB's towel to wipe off their hands, lol!
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Post by pistola on Feb 6, 2019 13:58:17 GMT -6
The last second yell to the QB (Look for the post!!!!) - love that one... Pointing to the secondary as to who the QB should be reading - or pointing to a side of the field our OC will do these things sometimes when he has a draw called
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Feb 6, 2019 14:10:13 GMT -6
The last second yell to the QB (Look for the post!!!!) - love that one... Pointing to the secondary as to who the QB should be reading - or pointing to a side of the field our OC will do these things sometimes when he has a draw called It only takes one false read to blow up peoples thoughts on a tendency Dummy calls and signals are great for mental warfare We use dummy calls on OL all the time
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Post by fshamrock on Feb 6, 2019 14:42:43 GMT -6
hey I think I know this one I read somewhere that the patriots really messed with Goff by moving around in coverage after the microphone turned off inside the QB helmet, the idea being that they would force Goff to read the defense instead of having mcvay tell him where to go with the ball
I betcha BB was waiting to see if mcvay was done talking to the QB before they signaled the shift in Defense
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Post by tothehouse on Feb 6, 2019 15:02:25 GMT -6
We played a good team once where the QB would look to the side of the formation...and then throw there...presnap. His QB coach was a QB "guru". But us slaps figured it out and dominated the kid because it was a 100% of the time tendency.
Gotta self scout.
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Post by CS on Feb 6, 2019 16:19:07 GMT -6
The last second yell to the QB (Look for the post!!!!) - love that one... Pointing to the secondary as to who the QB should be reading - or pointing to a side of the field our OC will do these things sometimes when he has a draw called Our kids are so dumb they would call a timeout to make sure that we didn't add a post read to IV...not kidding. I am literally imagining our QB's bewildered look right this second
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Post by silkyice on Feb 6, 2019 16:24:03 GMT -6
our OC will do these things sometimes when he has a draw called Our kids are so dumb they would call a timeout to make sure that we didn't add a post read to IV...not kidding. I am literally imagining our QB's bewildered look right this second LOL! But just do it in practice and all is good. Not like you need that advice.
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Post by Victor on Feb 6, 2019 16:35:13 GMT -6
Good question. I think there's a pretty consistent mindset, especially in big games for teams to take a shot after a TO. Maybe he's looking to see if McVay is getting overly excited or something? I don't know. I sometimes look at the other coach just to see how they're reacting to stuff we're doing but that might just be more for my pleasure if I see them suffering I recall on his dad's book to see how the other team reacts after a giveaway/takeaway to be ready properly
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Post by CS on Feb 6, 2019 16:54:05 GMT -6
Our kids are so dumb they would call a timeout to make sure that we didn't add a post read to IV...not kidding. I am literally imagining our QB's bewildered look right this second LOL! But just do it in practice and all is good. Not like you need that advice. Dude, we have certain plays that we run auto first sound on. We call first sound "on 6" and never say on first sound because if the QB has to audible the 600's mean that it's on first sound. Backup QB is going in this year and the HC tells him to run a play "on 6" and I watched his brain melt right their. So the HC reminds him that on 6 means on first sound and now his brain is pure liquid and the coach just tells him to go run a play. Granted nerves were a major cause of this but we use "on 6" exclusively in practice and this still goes on. Kids are funny
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Post by wingtol on Feb 6, 2019 20:13:13 GMT -6
I'll make the obligatory comment about how he has probably studied hours of videotape on how Mcvay acts before he calls certain plays i mean.....it's not like it's outside the realm of possibility One of the underlings probably found that when they had to pad all the sideline shots of McVay from the NFL on CBS
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Post by TheOlBallCoach on Feb 6, 2019 22:27:59 GMT -6
They’re playing a game of tag and BB doesn’t want to be it.
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Post by mariner42 on Feb 6, 2019 22:33:42 GMT -6
Man... I'm getting some really sh!tty trade film...
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Post by coachwoodall on Feb 7, 2019 7:34:55 GMT -6
The last second yell to the QB (Look for the post!!!!) - love that one... Pointing to the secondary as to who the QB should be reading - or pointing to a side of the field our OC will do these things sometimes when he has a draw called or call a WR quick screen & go to their sideline, and everyone on the sideline yells "SCREEN!"
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Post by buckeye7525 on Feb 7, 2019 8:29:09 GMT -6
our OC will do these things sometimes when he has a draw called or call a WR quick screen & go to their sideline, and everyone on the sideline yells "SCREEN!" We hit a big TD on a Hitch & Go on the same deal. Our OC told the near WR "make sure you get the stick" so the CB could hear him on a 3/5 and went over the top.
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Post by veerman on Feb 7, 2019 8:34:56 GMT -6
hey I think I know this one I read somewhere that the patriots really messed with Goff by moving around in coverage after the microphone turned off inside the QB helmet, the idea being that they would force Goff to read the defense instead of having mcvay tell him where to go with the ball I betcha BB was waiting to see if mcvay was done talking to the QB before they signaled the shift in Defense The Rams also countered this by waiting to break the huddle close to the 15 sec was left on play clock so BB could not talk to his LB in the second half.
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Post by pistola on Feb 7, 2019 9:17:47 GMT -6
hey I think I know this one I read somewhere that the patriots really messed with Goff by moving around in coverage after the microphone turned off inside the QB helmet, the idea being that they would force Goff to read the defense instead of having mcvay tell him where to go with the ball I betcha BB was waiting to see if mcvay was done talking to the QB before they signaled the shift in Defense The Rams also countered this by waiting to break the huddle close to the 15 sec was left on play clock so BB could not talk to his LB in the second half. I didn't like this as much.. I think they stuck with it for too long and too often. I thought it hurt McVays rhythm
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Post by veerman on Feb 7, 2019 9:27:43 GMT -6
Maybe, but they had two TD opportunities in the 2nd half but didn't make the plays. I'm glad cause I'm a Brady fan lol. McVays lost that game by not running the ball more and throwing quick screens IMO. He got caught up in the moment of him vs BB instead of doing what he should to do to win.
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