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Post by SconnieOC on Jan 17, 2024 15:20:16 GMT -6
I'm just starting my 2nd full year as HC. I took over for a guy that was here 32 years, winningest coach in conference history. I played here, and was an assistant/OC for a few years before taking over.
Him and I butted heads, disagreed a lot, and have very different philosophies. By the end of his time it was a very tenuous situation which led to me trying to move things as far in the opposite direction of him as fast as possible. Wrong move. We had a weak senior class and most of them got beat out by younger kids which is great, but they didn't like the changes and became a problem all year long. Not always enough to remove them, but enough to undermine our efforts. Followed up a conference championship with a .500 season. I think there's a balancing act of figuring out the non-negotiables, and then trying to slow roll some of the other changes. At least in hindsight, that should of been our approach this year. It didn't help that the ex-HC told our senior QB (who got beat out by a sophomore week 2) that he should be the starter and I wasn't playing the senior because he "wasn't my guy" (I was his position coach and OC the 2 years prior).. you can only imagine the $hitstorm that caused.
Fortunately we have awesome buy-in from our soph/junior class so we'll be in good shape moving forward.
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Post by SconnieOC on Jun 13, 2023 8:18:47 GMT -6
We do a few fun ones.
Tackle Ring Throw - we get them into a team of 3-5 and everyone gets in a big circle. A coach will roll the tackle ring across the circle. Each guy (1 at a time to create some pressure) has to try and throw the ball through the hole. 3 points for in, 1 for hitting the ring. Add up the score at the end.
Punt/Pass/Kick. Teams of 3. We start on the GL, put a trash can in the opposite endzone. First guy kicks off the tee. 2nd guy punts it. 3rd guy throws/rolls whatever but comes out of the hand. Whoever ends up closest (where it stops) wins.
Coaches catch punts off the jugs machine is always a good end of camp competition. Good for the big fellas too
Every once in a while we'll do OL/DL RZ 1 on 1s but I'm always nervous about those
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Post by SconnieOC on Mar 1, 2023 8:49:54 GMT -6
Even in those leagues though, there is a wide disparity. Right now in the Catholic League there's De La Salle, and then there's everyone else. I'm interested to see what Detroit Catholic Central looks like under some new direction, and OLSM, traditionally a power looks like they're starting to catch their stride finally after moving from the wishbone stuff they did forever to the air raid. PHSL has King and Cass, and then everybody else is pretty bad. I'm sure they have a prospect or two, but it isn't great football. OAA has a lot of prospects as does the MAC Red. Some very good leagues in this part of the state. I do think Michigan in general is pretty good in the midwest though. Not Ohio good, but there's some good ball happening here. Great commentary on needing to be able to separate the strength of larger cities from the state's overall.OAA and MAC Red = "surrounding areas". Grand Rapids area also has some of the best HS football in MI. But don't think it compares to TX, CA, FL, GA for example. Tough to compete with states where they have spring football so kids have many more extra practices-reps by the time they're seniors.This is the answer to the original question though right? There are certainly some pockets that don't have spring ball who produce good players and every state has a program or 25 who play really high level/really well coached ball with great athletes but if we're talking quality ball... it's going to be states where the kids get an extra 1500 reps in the spring. There's no doubt there is still bad football with bad coaching in those states but when I was coaching at D3, our immediate impact freshmen guys were generally from Texas, Georgia, and Arizona. They may not have been more talented than some of our midwest locals, but they were just more mentally prepared to play at that level for multiple reasons. They had the reps, they played against a lot of high level competition, and for most of them, it wasn't a fun hobby, it was a way of life.
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Post by SconnieOC on Jan 31, 2023 10:44:00 GMT -6
We have Procom and I couldn't recommend them highly enough. No base station, great quality, can take a beating.
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Post by SconnieOC on Jan 26, 2023 16:46:36 GMT -6
Honestly, this is what's great about football and sports in general. I'm sitting here all emotional reading these because I know a lot of us have gone through these things and thinking about the lives changed.
My first year as a GA (d3) I recruited this dude from FL... absolutely freak slot/RB kid. Strictly phone and email recruiting.. as a first year guy, didn't do a great job on the relationship piece in recruiting, but this kid just wanted a chance.. so we get him up to Iowa and he's a DUDE. Roasting all-conference seniors, and $hit talking the whole way... No major problems other than just some lack of respect for authority. About midseason, mom comes up for a game, kid scores his first college touchdown, just an awesome day. Afterwards, she comes up to me sobbing and hugs me and tells me that if he hadn't gotten out of South Florida, he for sure would have joined his cousins gang, who had just been involved in a big shooting.
He graduated, lives in Nashville, killing it with a wife and kids. I don't necessarily think I did much for him other than calling a kid on a recruiting list, but I think about that a lot. Never know someone's background until you do.
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Post by SconnieOC on Jan 4, 2023 12:56:27 GMT -6
You don’t and won’t see the same defenses the cool guys on TV see. This... I always watch those high levels and wonder how Y cross gets open so much, or simple 4 verts. Dudes are running 147 different coverages and someone screws it up... or some dude wins 1 on 1. Occasionally something cool gets packaged together that's worth it, but Power 5 and NFL (most of the time) is a completely different game.
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Post by SconnieOC on Jul 13, 2022 7:36:47 GMT -6
When I was in college we played a team who had a stud MLB (turns out he was roided up but different conversation). We were a triple team so down on the GL it was basically toss, follow, or sneak. We called sneak on 1st down from the 1 and he tried to time up the snap and jump over the center. Well we had a long cadence on so he came over the top and smoked me. Got up talking about how scared I was to take the snap. Our OC who was and still is a very spiteful man continued to call sneak and this guys continued to try and time the snap up... after 4 or 5 offsides in a row the ref finally flagged him for unsportsmanlike.
Not because he kept doing it but because every time he got up and talked about how afraid we were to just run it at him. Finally we went quick count and our G/C/G tripled him down and in the pile it was just 3 OL screaming in his face with a variety of insults and obscenities. By the 3rd or 4th offside I was laughing so hard I couldn't get the cadence out.
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Post by SconnieOC on Apr 11, 2022 7:34:34 GMT -6
When something like this happens, seems like it is always someone that doesnt start or even see time at all 😄 I think that same kid got in trouble during track season for going into the school I went to work at under the guise of needing to use the restroom and ended up taking a deuce on the mascot on the basketball court. Well at least he didn't lie about why he was going into the school...
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Post by SconnieOC on Apr 27, 2021 5:25:56 GMT -6
One syllable words are better, more easily vocalized-heard-understood. "HOT-HOT-HOT" as in "Hot potato, don't touch it!" A football is kind of shaped like a potato.
We had a special teams coordinator who had the kids making a "fire" call to tell the kids to avoid the ball on PR. However, we also tagged a blitz as "fire". We were repping PR for the first time in August, the punt is shanked, and everyone is yelling "FIRE, FIRE, FIRE!". Two peeled off of their PR protection and sprinted back towards the punter.
The ST coordinator flips his lid and one of the kids tells him "Everyone was yelling fire so I turned around and blitzed, coach!". Needless to say, he went with "hot" from there on out.
Not quite the same, but similar... We had a couple of one word play calls we added in this year, and one of them was water.. We were in the middle of a team period, and we start yelling "WATER-WATER-WATER" and one of the scout DL drops to a knee, takes off his helmet to fix a strap and I didn't see it until right as we snapped it.. thankfully our RG realized it and just kind of covered him up, then I looked up and the FS had ran all the way to the sideline to get a drink without realizing we were running a play.. The DL looked up at me and said "I hope the defense thinks you're telling them to get water too"
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Post by SconnieOC on Apr 1, 2021 10:48:51 GMT -6
I'm much more of a stretch it out and build on the early stuff kind of guy. We have a 9 day install, but there's not a ton in each of those.. Day 1 might be our 2 sniffer formations, power, and choice, day 2 may just be power read and snag out of those same formations, etc. I always felt this allows us to build the wrinkles and on day 3 when we had 2 new formations, still go back and run Power and choice pretty easily out of the new ones. If we feel like we need a day to stop and review, we do it. If day 5 comes and we want make sure we understand our base 5 things out of the 7 formations we have in, we'll do a review day. I think as soon as you handcuff yourself to a schedule, you're putting your kids in a bad spot at some point. Flexibility is the name of the game with install. what is your basis for install? Is it what kids latch onto? Or is it we are going to install and make it go? It might be something else? We're going to have our base stuff.. we're always going to make Power go.. but some years we might put more focus on power read as opposed to 11/12/21 personnel power depending on our guys. The package will shift a bit year to year, so it's not always the same schedule, but power and choice are always day 1.. from there its a "what do we think we can be good at with our best guys" this year. I think the right answer to your question is a bit different year to year as well... Like if we have a bunch of upperclassmen and can get into the tags and wrinkles sooner we will.. if we're young and need to hammer our base, that's what we'll do.
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Post by SconnieOC on Mar 31, 2021 7:53:25 GMT -6
I'm much more of a stretch it out and build on the early stuff kind of guy. We have a 9 day install, but there's not a ton in each of those.. Day 1 might be our 2 sniffer formations, power, and choice, day 2 may just be power read and snag out of those same formations, etc. I always felt this allows us to build the wrinkles and on day 3 when we had 2 new formations, still go back and run Power and choice pretty easily out of the new ones.
If we feel like we need a day to stop and review, we do it. If day 5 comes and we want make sure we understand our base 5 things out of the 7 formations we have in, we'll do a review day. I think as soon as you handcuff yourself to a schedule, you're putting your kids in a bad spot at some point. Flexibility is the name of the game with install.
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Post by SconnieOC on Mar 22, 2021 8:05:21 GMT -6
I can see setting up your offense so that you have your better WRs to the field and weaker ones to the boundary. But, it wouldn't need to be done with tags; just simplifying your formation tags and player alignment. Have your best WRs aligned to the same side of the formation the majority of the time and then just call it as such. As far as the OL goes, having a quick and strong side of the OL is great if your blocking schemes dictate it. You just have to be careful with tendencies. For example, we were an IZ/OZ/Power/Counter team and our quick guard was our best OL. IZ went his way the majority of the time and Power/Counter went away from him (he was pulling). It was an easy read for the LBs; that guard tells you where the play is always going.. I guess we technically do this with our formations. Our X is generally our best WR, and I want him to the boundary so he has more 1 on 1 opportunities. We have other formations that move him around, and we can always just call it the other way, but I want our fastest slot kid to the field, and our best guy to the boundary 95% of the time. Now nothing about this is unique, but you can easily designate your formations to be a field/boundary team if you wanted to make it really simple. I could see some merit, but I don't think it's worth the investment to be F/B with your OL
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Post by SconnieOC on Mar 11, 2021 13:38:28 GMT -6
Chew and Cherry Pepsi for me. But I have quit chewing since Covid. We just started our spring season so we'll see how that goes. The late night chew and film session was such a great part of my day in the past. that was the only time I missed it the 1st year I quit 2 weeks and 2 days into quitting.. first practice on Tuesday was ROUGH! I'm much more worried about when we have to start breaking down opponents and those marathon film sessions.
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Post by SconnieOC on Oct 23, 2020 7:59:06 GMT -6
How much pass game would anyone recommend? Obviously PAP. Other than that, maybe some sprint-out and i'd like to to Tony Demeo's 3 step boot. Looks like it fits in with the Rocket Bootleg/Waggle. We practice 4 pap’s. One off of mid triple action, one off toss action and 2 off of veer action We have 4 different play action concepts. -Post/arrow -Backside Post/Dig (PA away from post) -Slot vert/curl -Smash/Snag (smash off veer/midline, snag off toss) We can run all 4 of these off of Veer, Midline, and Toss. Slight protection adjustments but basically IV and Mid OL works backside gap, FB fits frontside C, and Toss the OL works frontside with FB fitting backside C. We had 4 Sprint Out Concepts, 2 Cov 3 type beaters for single high teams, and 2 Cov 2/Cov 4/Man beaters 1 true bootleg off of toss 1 screen A lot of stuff there, and not all necessary, but situationally it all had a purpose, and our guys were so conditioned in the system, it didn't take much to get them in. For a first year program, Initial install should be 1 PA off veer, 1 PA off toss, 2 sprints, bootleg
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Post by SconnieOC on Oct 22, 2020 8:34:49 GMT -6
cs a couple questions: 1) do you suggest then that I go with mid-triple instead of IV for this season and install it next season? 2) what does your practice look like? I’m thinking of one day running the O vs an even look (4-3/4-4) and odd front the next (5-2/3-3-5). Is this a good idea? I would install mid triple and get good at it and start reping IV later this season when you have gotten established in the other plays. IV is a whole other animal as far as techniques compared to the other plays. It's the only ball line play in the offense. The other plays are heel line plays so you are reping the crap out of your QB on that. I suggested those plays because you will get a ton of reps of the same techniques and will get proficient in the offense quicker than if you install what you had originally stated We practice against even and odd everyday. There are specific tags that are the only way you can get some plays going vs certain fronts 10-min everyone indo 10-min option drill, line continues indo work all the fits(regular, 3-2-exchange, 1-2-exchange) 15-min pod or gpod (2 groups, 48 plays) 15-min half line (2 groups 48 plays) 3 rounds 1st round IV vs 2 even 2 odd, 2nd round Mid Triple vs 2 even 2 odd, 3rd round is usually PAP but I will work zone option here as well Now that we have dropped IV for the season we will replace that round with zone option and pick back up on IV in the spring Good points here Coach. I always have a hard time letting IV slide, since that's what I was raised on, but you're definitely correct on the coaching points being different relative to other stuff.
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Post by SconnieOC on Oct 22, 2020 7:48:27 GMT -6
rsmith627 and @sconnieoc I’m a Navy purist as well. I’m only 31, but my first exposure to Option football was in 2002 (Army-Navy) and I fell in love with the Option. I have been wanting to run the triple my whole life and it’s what I believe in. I’m so excited to have this opportunity and I want to get it right. To your points, I’m looking at no TE (will use heavy formation/tackle over). I’ve definitely checked out Flexbone Nation, it’s a great resource. Also some useful stuff on Flexbone Association and Veersite. If we can get good at the base (thinking of just jumping in with triple, zone dive, midline, and rocket toss) I want to add in mid-veer and trap later in the season, and possibly belly. I know practice time will be key, and any ideas you have will be greatly appreciated. I think you're on the right track. Just depends on what your kids can handle and your coaches can coach by December
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Post by SconnieOC on Oct 22, 2020 7:22:44 GMT -6
IMO that list is great.. I would add in the mid triple. If you're really worried about your QB's ability to read 3 phases on 2 different plays, you can run IV double with the dive, IV double with the pitch (auto pull), Mid double with the dive, and mid double with the pitch. I think those 2 plays compliment each other so well. Run veer, as soon as the safeties start rolling hard, you can get them with the twirl motion on midline, that's where big plays hit.
Now I think you can handle that if you're efficient in practice and your QB is smart. OL will figure it out with enough reps. If you're really worried its too much I can get behind just running zone dive and midline.. but I like having the pitch option whether thats load or whatever you want basing off that stack motion. If you're heavy midline, get trap in there too. Cheap and advantageous.
We got really good at using formations like Over, and Snug to dictate what we wanted to do.
Bouncing off Rsmith here.. if you're going true no TE flexbone, these are my thoughts, if you're using TE's, my answer is different.
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Post by SconnieOC on Oct 7, 2020 13:57:30 GMT -6
I had a parent meeting last night. I was thinking of this thread the whole time. After a win against a cross town rival, I got an email from a parent complaining about playing time. I thought it was odd, because although the kid wasn't a starter, he played quite a bit. Anyway, we meet to talk about it and the parent was upset that their child was on the sidelines the whole time with their helmet off and never got in the game. I explained that wasn't true and offered to show them the game film. They were adamant that they watched #11 the whole time and he didn't go in. Their son wears #11 practice jersey and we have just randomly given out practice jerseys. They were watching the wrong kid the whole time. When they realized their mistake it got real quiet. Three things that really make this awesome. 1- When they went to their kid after the game they asked him why he didn't play. He agreed with them that he didn't. 2- The kid who wears #11 game jersey is a short skinny Asian kid who was injured and was just hanging out on the sidelines during the game with a hat on. Their son is a tall white DL. 3- It was the third game of the season. As I read this.. I honestly thought you were making it up.. and then realized this is too stupid for someone's brain to come up with.. unbelievable.
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Post by SconnieOC on Sept 25, 2020 13:12:32 GMT -6
I have always had a parent meeting and parent manual that they sign and return in order for your kid tpo play the Big parts are 1. do not discuss playing time 2. Another person kid 3. strategy An Assitant coach who has been a good football soldier but not a Talent evaluator worth a {censored} brings in a new kid via open boundaries. Kid SSSSSSSUUUUUUUUUCCCCKKKKKKSSS, but according to Dad second coming of Mercedes Lewis. all Jags gear all the time on the family. Kid switches to defensive end after freshman year can't get on-field to line up behind two kids who both get multiple scholarships offers in senior years. He also doesn't like tackling and his dad lets us know Junior year he is a pass rush specialist. Game 4 gets in gets blown away by a team we are dominating i mean they ran at him 3 plays in a row went 90 yards and he is on roller skates. Dad has been vocal in the crowd all year but who cares. Dad comes in said he has an alumni cheque for us and proceeds to accuse of holding him back, usual stuff can't get better if he doesn't play needs a special package designed for him. Explains that he has multiple offers from so many schools. Than says This cheque can say 0.00$ or $5000.00 dollars and he will leave the title blank. I send him an email saying victories are priceless. Thank you for your interest. side note, kid did not sign any of the offers or didn't get them, who knows no coaches ever contacted me. He starts his job as a rubbish transfer engineer the day after grad, in the city where his dad works as a foreman. Rubbish transfer engineer.. I about spit my water out
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Post by SconnieOC on Dec 31, 2019 6:48:04 GMT -6
Every time you turn on a college game with a new coach, that is all they talk about. If you have to explain how YOU teach your team how to compete, how do you answer? Specifics if possible, not the generic “we compete in everything we do.” They just said on the Louisville game that when the current staff got there, the DBs did not know how to cover, how to compete. With the old staff, everything they did in practice, the DBs had to let the WRs catch the ball. Creating competition in practice with actual reward/punishment scenarios is good. When we took over at my last program they'd gone like 4-36 the last 4 years.. had no idea how to even approach success. It was basically just an expectation of showing up to play but not drastically caring about the result. The first year we had every period be some sort of competition. If it was good on good in a 3rd down period, losers ran gassers.. like 8.. not 1 or 2 which kids don't mind. In WR drills, we'd count the drops and winner wouldn't run, if QBs were warming up, if anyone misfired they ran.. In some ways it's almost like teaching a consistent focus or approach more so than the competition itself.. (maybe? That thought just popped into my head as I was typing). We actually progressed to the point where the losers would stand in the middle of the field and watch the winners run. No one likes running, but you definitely don't want to be the reason everyone else is running. Once our culture got to the point where guys truly cared, this was the best thing we did to create competitiveness
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Post by SconnieOC on Dec 20, 2019 10:10:16 GMT -6
Does anyone know if the big Wisconsin D3 conference still has a 100 person roster limit? The WIAC? A roster spot guarantee there would mean something then. They used to only be able to carry 100 people during the season. Title 9 thing i believe. Believe it's 105 now but yes, they have limited rosters and an offer should be treated as such. But the offers there don't mean you don't get greyshirted. They're trying to appeal to the masses like everyone else. I have no problem with the offers or the signing day.. If it gets kids excited to play college ball and continue the game, I'm all in. A roster offer at a private school probably has more meaning because it at least means you'll get to practice with the team after the first 8 days.
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Post by SconnieOC on Oct 11, 2019 7:56:46 GMT -6
However, when we have good officials, the horse collars are called quickly and the kids stop trying to tackle like that. When they're not called, they continue all game long which increases the chance of an injury. We ran into that two weeks in a row. One set of officials called the first one and the opposing defense started tackling correctly. The next game, it wasn't called at all and the game started getting out of hand. Their kids were dragging us down by the collar so our kids started reciprocating. I'm not trying to defend poor officiating. I hate it when I see it, as much, if not more, than coaches. I take a lot of pride in my role in the game and demand an extremely high standard from the guys with whom I work. If guys don't know the rules or are ignoring rules related to player safety and are letting games get out of control, they don't belong on the field. Full stop. That said, in my experience, the two safety issues mentioned in this thread (illegal helmet contact/targeting and horse collar tackles) get coaches the most riled up and are also the most misunderstood rules in the game at all levels. I'll only speak for the levels that I work (middle school through D3 football), but the gulf between what officials are taught and what coaches seem to expect is rather large. Case in point, just last weekend, I got my ass chewed for most of the second half over these two plays: We were the worst crew ever and needed to step up and protect his players. He couldn't understand what we were looking at or why we were trying to get his player's hurt. I hope I never see you #$^%&# again. Etc. Etc. Etc. Would you have been screaming the same? Man would I love to see these. Our HC gets real fired up and says similar stuff.. Hope that's not us We actually had a staff Intervention conversation with him a couple of weeks ago because our kids were starting to feed off it and they were yelling at officials more than anyone. Player safety is important.. but the stripes are human.. stuff happens. Get over it
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Post by SconnieOC on Apr 30, 2019 7:02:14 GMT -6
I'm just excited to see how things pan out. We lost a great group of seniors who as freshmen went 2-8 and had gotten us back to 7-3 last year. We return a 1st team all-conference QB who was a freshmen, a skill guy who averaged 11.7 yards per touch, and the meanest LG I've ever seen, but that's it. Our OL will be more talented, but very young (no seniors). We return all 5 starting DB's, and not 1 starter in the front 6. We'll see if the culture we've recreated is going to hold. It's been a hectic offseason and we've cut a few guys loose who didn't want to do it the right way, including a would be senior.
Real nervous we could be 3-7/4-6, but real excited because we could make a run at it.
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Post by SconnieOC on Apr 12, 2019 7:46:36 GMT -6
When I was a GA we we're playing a JV game vs a bad program and that was my week for the HC title as it rotated between GAs. The day before the varsity beat our big rival, coming from 17 down in the 2nd half, plus it was homecoming, so obviously there was a lot of partying. So Sunday morning we climb on the bus to make the 2 hour drive and everyone looks like absolute garbage, half the guys are still wearing their stuff from the night before... 5 or 6 puke on the bus ride (thank god it was a coach bus), several more do it again at the stadium. We go through warmups and I'm not kidding, we didn't complete a single ball in pat and go and I was pissed because I figured we'd get pounded by the awful team.
So we finish up pregame, I bring them together and tell em "I don't care how hungover you are, I don't care if you got laid last night, I don't care if you have to throw up on the guy lined up across from you.. if you go out and play like $hit and lose to this team, you won't have a locker when we get home because the HC will cut everyone of you mother frickers" Ended up winning by about 35, but boy was it ugly
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Post by SconnieOC on Apr 10, 2019 7:40:40 GMT -6
When I was a GA we had a kid who was our filmer, definitely had something, maybe on the spectrum, but certainly functional enough to get into college and graduate. Had one of those weird memories that certain things never left his brain. Nice kid but definitely opinionated.
-Filmed a whole half in between plays (which I feel like we've all probably gone through at some point) -During practice would coach the players from the pressbox on camera, telling our WR's they were running the wrong routes, or our QBs made a terrible read, and he would legit talk to the camera like he was in a meeting, even occasionally turning it on himself in between plays to make an emphasis on a coaching point.. it would have been impressive if he knew what he was talking about -During a game, he spent the whole first quarter talking to the visitors filmer about the Packers, and then marvel comics until the other guy finally said "Dude, stop talking to me, I can't concentrate and I'm going to get fired" to which his response was, "I don't care about your job, you're going to have to sit here and deal with me all day long"
We always turned audio off on Hudl so our kids wouldn't hear it but as coaches we would sit there for hours just laughing at his antics.
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Post by SconnieOC on Apr 9, 2019 11:57:02 GMT -6
Don’t do the white board... Go with white board paint on a wall! I love it and would never do a white board again! It will cost you more money than a white board, but it is totally worth it. My kids also have an area on the wall they know they can go draw on, and I enjoy when they leave me pictures haha Does this stuff actually work that well? We just bought a home as well, and I'm fortunate enough to have an office. I've thought about this before I'm just concerned. The wall is a little textured, which I could sand down.. I'm just terrified I'm going to paint a wall and the marker won't erase all the way, or it'll be funky to draw on. Maybe I'm just paranoid, I just don't want to screw up the one thing my wife allows me to do
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Post by SconnieOC on Apr 3, 2019 9:29:27 GMT -6
In this state, it's relatively easy for kids to transfer from school to school within the Native American reservations. The kids bounce from family member to family member within area around and in the reservation, depending on how well the schools are doing in sports. I can tell you, unequivocally, that this has a detrimental effect on the kids' education; they go to three schools in four years and struggle to stay on track to graduate. There's a lot of super-teams (basketball..) that are created because the kids go where they think they're going to win. But all of this bouncing from one environment to another throughout the years causes significant social and academic issues for the kids. Now, there are other issues on the Native reservations; severe poverty, crime, drug use, etc..etc.. But, we see a lower graduation rate out of the kids that bounce from school to school than the rest of the population. Couldn't disagree more. As a military brat I bounced from school to school. I went to 3 different schools for 8th grade alone. In fact I think my social skills are better as I had to make new friends every 3-4 years. So is it parenting that has graduation rates low? or the schools? I don't blame teachers for poor graduation rates, I blame parents. And I am sure if a study was done, you would see a slightly higher rate for military kids than none, simply because military parents in general don't have discipline problems. Just guessing here no hard facts, just observations of my childhood. (and I attend MLK elementary school in North Chicago ILL in the 70's and that is the chit of chit neighborhoods, Navy kids were not the problem) There's a HUGE difference in a kid choosing to bounce around for athletic reasons, and a kid being forced to bounce around because of parent's job. I went to 7 different school districts in 3 states K-12 because of my father's job. You're right, I developed quality social skills, and gained some invaluable insight into meeting new people, and my grades didn't suffer because I had discipline. But you can't possibly think that a kid going to 3 schools in 4 years (without military discipline at home) is going to succeed in school. And for the record, the science geek who transfers because of a better AP program, probably isn't leaving that school again in a year to go to a better science program, so it's not really a fair comparison
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Post by SconnieOC on Apr 3, 2019 9:19:42 GMT -6
What is fair about robbing peter to pay paul. I believe my post is pretty clear what I think about fairness...life isnt fair...why do things need to be fair?? Your own comment single handedly disputes your argument. Life isn't fair, sometimes you have to deal with situations that aren't ideal. Are we not trying to teach kids to deal with tough situations? It's not fair that sometimes a stud WR ends up playing for a single wing team who throws it 4 times a game, why do we need to make things fair for him and allow him to transfer all over the place?
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Post by SconnieOC on Mar 25, 2019 13:56:28 GMT -6
I thought it would be designing some face melting offensive plays. Now I think it's the first beer after a big win.
In reality it's watching kids who sucked turn into decent players, going to former player's weddings, seeing them have kids, watching our current players with my kid, all that mushy stuff is awesome.
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Post by SconnieOC on Mar 13, 2019 10:19:45 GMT -6
Thank you for all the responses. There have been some great ones! Again, just looking for insight on the topic at hand, not trying to start a war. Here is part 2 of the discussion - For me, Here is what started this discussion, we took a program that had NEVER been to the state championship, and the staff before us had built somewhat of a previous established "culture",but within 2 years of new staff (us) being there, we were playing for a state title, thus I bring this point. When we came in, HC made one thing clear, "We are to win football games, not establish culture." Thus, we got on the white board, broke down the film, and made X's & O's our priority. We didn't do anything different than anyone else in America is doing as it relates to "culture"/"discipline". 2 years ago we played in the state championship in the highest classification in our state, year after that we made the quarterfinals (Elite 8), after that year AND due to the success we have had, every coach left for other opportunities, assistants became coordinators, coordinators became head coaches, and head coach left for a better program. **This is not a pat on the back/look at me discussion** I left after that season, Now, this said program went 3-7 this year, AGAIN AFTER two years ago going to the state finals with an entirely different staff this year. I have kids still text me saying how much they miss us, etc. I do not have a dog in the fight as I am not with this program any longer and this is NOT some vendetta I am on, merely hate it for the kids who grew up with lots of success WITHOUT the whole buzz word of motto, culture, etc. and they are getting beat over the head with it daily. To answer some of your questions/comments... Yes, we used the word "culture", "discipline", etc. but we never did anything to the likes of team building activities that you see all over social media now a days. And the comment about our guys just loved playing ball, it had NOTHING to do with us as coaches, it had everything to do with the kids wanted to be at the field-house. Sure, we made it a welcoming environment as coaches, but never did we keep them there just to keep them there, such as rope courses, leadership council, etc. It was weight room, film room, practice, game night, go home. To me, that is not "culture", that is doing what you're suppose to do to WIN games. For some of you, you might call that "culture", to us, it wasn't. That was the job. Another thought for you - We have heard, "It's not the X's & O's, it's the Jimmies and Joes.".....I DO NOT DISAGREE! Sometimes your opponent DNA is just better and no matter what, the likelihood of you winning is slim, .......however, what I DO BELIEVE, is when you have the opponent who is equal to you or might be a little better, I believe coaching/X's & O's play a HUGE factor in those types of games, more so than your "culture." In all sincerity thank you for your responses, as I am merely trying to gauge your responses. Love the discussion guys! I think this is exactly what a lot of these guys are trying to say.. you might not have talked about culture every day like some people, but I bet outside of X and O's and the whiteboard, you had levels of expectations put forth. Kids had to meet those expectations to be on the field/team, and they bettered themselves, which in turn makes your X and O's better. Nick Saban and Dabo Swinney could be the coordinators on staff, but if there was no CULTURE of weight room expectations, practice expectations, or whatever, no scheme in the world is going to get them to a state title game. Whether you talk about it every day or don't, the parts of your program that sometime seem obvious to people who are successful, is exactly what culture is. Some people just brag about it more than others. So I guess... Congratulations on your culture!
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