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Post by wingtol on Oct 1, 2015 18:33:09 GMT -6
We have a coach throw 7-7 or run scout qb to hand the ball off w/o pads on. Your an idiot if you suit up as coach and go out there hitting kids. No way is my job worth more than "getting a look" in practice.
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Post by wingtol on Sept 30, 2015 5:14:55 GMT -6
We have no choice but to do this. 42 on the roster but who knows how many we have day to day suited up and able to practice. If we didn't have everyone together we couldn't run a scout team. Just no way numbers wise it works for us to have separate practices.
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Post by wingtol on Sept 21, 2015 5:16:48 GMT -6
I would say around here it just depends on the school. We are a decent sized city with some nicer suburban districts and also some very rural districts, so there are issues each staff would deal with when hiring guys. I guess it also comes down to the HC some guys I know will hire and bring in outsiders or people they don't know, others like our staff are very close and don't look outside our circle for coaches or to be honest aren't receptive to any cold calls by guys looking to coach.
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Post by wingtol on Sept 20, 2015 16:40:41 GMT -6
Honestly I don't think you can keep the kids. I would want to. Really would. No excuse for what they did, but when boys have the adrenaline pumping and a person of authority instructs them to do something like that I wouldn't give them total blame. But with this being national news these kids won't play again. If the coach wants to he could keep them on the team, I would run them for the time they are suspended all practice (if they aren't suspended for the season) and I would make them do laundry, help out with everything from mopping the floors to doing all the assistant coaches dirty jobs. Then they'd have to earn their spot back in practice Screw that, their gone and so is the assistant coach who allegedly told them to do it. And as a matter of fact if I was the HC and this happened when I was in charge I would resign immediately. If you have coaches on your staff who would do that, you failed. I get it kids lose their cool sometimes, it's a tough game sometimes you get pi$$ed off and blow it, but to blindside a ref like that is unexcuasbale period point blank. See ya. They couldn't pull the Nuremberg defense with me.
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Post by wingtol on Sept 16, 2015 19:09:34 GMT -6
Kid plays in our region. He's an amazing athlete and a good kid, should be playing for us but moved out of district before his 9th grade year. Amazing story. Last year some guys on his team contacted Cutters about making him a custom glove for his stump and they did. got say don't think he's ever caught a pass against us though lol
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Post by wingtol on Sept 16, 2015 5:16:14 GMT -6
Your days of th week aren't Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday you have Film day, Offensive day, Defensive day, Walk thru and Game day
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Post by wingtol on Sept 14, 2015 9:50:23 GMT -6
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Post by wingtol on Sept 14, 2015 5:29:45 GMT -6
Geeze we have 41 this year and are jumping for joy! If your a single A team, as we are in our state, then I bet most teams have about the same numbers as you. Our scout teams aren't the best either but we still put them out there and try to get a look. some little things we have done in the past tell scout OL to hold no matter what. Don't worry about snaps just have qb hold the ball either under center or shotgun. Call out the offensive play to scout d so they know what's comming. Not a big fan of half line stuff being wing t with all kinds of backside pullers and all that just doesn't work for us. I know a lot of guys think it's just a small school problem but when I coached at a big program we had the same senerios where the starters stood out and then there was everyone else. Unless you have an insanely talented team it's usually clear who the starters are. Just have to keep challenging those guys who are the starters to keep up their level of play.
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Post by wingtol on Sept 13, 2015 12:25:30 GMT -6
Yes. I was part of a staff where we did this for awhile. Worked out ok as the HC was the play caller so he wanted a better look. The OL coach and I were on the sidelines running the plays in with kids and OL made the adjustments when needed. OL guy was a long time vet so he was the goto guy on sidelines for refs. We had a pretty experienced staff with no egos so everyone did their job and it worked. Might not work for every staff depending on the staff dynamics.
I also know of a HC who was told by his super he had to coach from the box due to his sideline demeanor and antics. But that's another story all together.
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Post by wingtol on Sept 12, 2015 16:10:28 GMT -6
I am not offended in any way. To add to it guy on our staff now his son was the OL coach at above mentioned college while the qb and OC were there, this guy is now a D1 OC himself, and he said the OC at this school would walk in draw a play. OL coach would ask how do you want it blocked or what are the rules. OC would say I don't give a _ just block it. Said it was the same way with qb just throw it to the open guy. Never taught any reads or concepts of defense to offense just wanted to draw up plays and run them. So hearing it from two sources at separate times leads me to think the qb had no clue. Not picking a fight or trying to be the last one holding the chalk but I wouldnt doubt it if there are guys out there who couldn't draw up or know what a cover three is. This OC I am talking about to put it bluntly is the biggest ahole I have ever seen on the football field. Not saying he is stupid, he has had some success coaching for sure but he is very hard to work for and doesn't get to in detail with his teaching of plays. Fair enough. That is crazy. Wow. I stand corrected and thanks for the response. How is this d1 OC fairing? Hope I didn't confuse here. The original coach, one who taught qb nothing, who is an ahole is coaching in HS now. The OL coach who's dad coaches with us is a great coach and doing well at the FCS level as an OC.
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Post by wingtol on Sept 12, 2015 16:02:30 GMT -6
I can see your points about calling it something else or using different terminology as something that would throw the guys off. But from a personal story... We had a local college that installed a spread tempo type O kind of at the dawning of that offense. They had a QB who was unreal in the system think he was a D2 all-american just unstoppable. So he end up playing for our local indoor team. A guy I highly respect and was a college HC himself is helping this team. So the QB comes in and the coach says draw up a cover 3 on the board. QB says I don't know what that is. Coach says huh? QB says yeah all we did was run plays and not worry about coverage they just told me throw it to who was open. Now knowing the OC from where this QB played in college and having talked to many people who coached with him or played with him he would just draw up plays tell the OL coach to block it and let the QB be an athlete basically. Did the same thing when he moved to a HS HC job. Now I would find it hard to believe that a QB going through the combine would have no clue, but there are places out there where it happens. Maybe they asked the kid to draw a cover two and explain what the D did in it and he was like "Well cover 2 middle of the field is open so I throw this.." so he knew what it looked like but no idea how it worked. Please don't take this the wrong way or PLEASE correct me if you are sure I am wrong. I am not saying your are lying, I just think something is getting lost in translation. First, it was not you who talked with this qb, but a friend of yours correct? Here is my take on a converstaion that I have no part or knowledge of. I am just speculating. I bet the kid knew what cover 3 was. I bet your friend asked him how you READ cover 3. Or even better, how do you read it on a particlular play he gave him. I believe that he might not know that. Our qb's know cover 3 and even how you read it, but we don't really pass read that way. Defense roll or blitz or disguise or whatever. We just go through progressions and read who is open. Things like collision and cap. It really doesn't matter what the coverage is, although we do know it. I know you know all that and hope I have not offended. We all like to think how smart we are how stupid other coaches are, me included, and me right here in this very sentence being arrogant as hell to think I know what happened in some private conversation 1000 miles away. Lol But is it possible that some of the coaches are really just saying that these qb's they haven't coached don't know how to read cover 3 to THIER liking in THEIR offense and in THEIR terminolgy? I am not offended in any way. To add to it guy on our staff now his son was the OL coach at above mentioned college while the qb and OC were there, this guy is now a D1 OC himself, and he said the OC at this school would walk in draw a play. OL coach would ask how do you want it blocked or what are the rules. OC would say I don't give a _ just block it. Said it was the same way with qb just throw it to the open guy. Never taught any reads or concepts of defense to offense just wanted to draw up plays and run them. So hearing it from two sources at separate times leads me to think the qb had no clue. Not picking a fight or trying to be the last one holding the chalk but I wouldnt doubt it if there are guys out there who couldn't draw up or know what a cover three is. This OC I am talking about to put it bluntly is the biggest ahole I have ever seen on the football field. Not saying he is stupid, he has had some success coaching for sure but he is very hard to work for and doesn't get to in detail with his teaching of plays.
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Post by wingtol on Sept 12, 2015 10:33:30 GMT -6
Yup 11 man! Team that won rushed for over 1000 yards. Rb was 35 yds away from national HS record and qb on losing team set national passing record. As a soph. In his first ever varsity game. Insane.
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Post by wingtol on Sept 12, 2015 5:25:51 GMT -6
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Post by wingtol on Sept 11, 2015 6:10:23 GMT -6
Here are my takeaways: First, total BS that a draft caliber QB does not know what cover 2 or 3 is. That is a complete lie. A LIE!!! And that really pisses me that he would just lie like that and that the writer would not call him out on it. Middle school teams know the difference between cover 2 and 3. But more importantly, all these guys play PS3 or PS4 or xbox and they ALL play madden football. They all know what cover 2 and 3 are. The reference about not knowing the "under", I can believe. But here is why: his team called it something else. They called it an eagle or white on the strong side and red on the weak. I can completely see these NFL guys being so arrogant (as a matter of fact their arrogance jumps off the page of the article), that have no idea that someone else might call it something else. Maybe that is the problem with the cover 2 and 3 also. We call cover 2, "blue", and cover 3, "green". Maybe the guy referenced it that way and the prospect didn't know what he meant. Mike backer. We don't call out the Mike either and can completely run our pass pro and our offense without that recognition. It is not necessary. Second, I have been saying for years that the NFL should go on the cheap for QB's and run the spread. Spend your money on other guys. Run the QB. If he gets hurt, go with the next guy. Nick Marshall is a perfect example. Over the last 10 years, how many guys as good or BETTER than Nick Marshall have there been? Now you can run your spread, fast paced offense, and go an spend your money on defense, o line, receivers, backs. Third, Rex Ryan saying that "They don't coach anything", is absurd. I guess that is similar to Charlie Weis saying that ND would have a "decided schematic advantage". LOL Fourth, Rams GM saying it is "doomsday" if we don't evolve. What does that even mean? Fifth, That whole article was about arrogance! one hundred percent right on. When I first started coaching, the under was shade strong eagle weak. Now I just call it under. I heard people saying under forever and didnt know what they meant. Then I said, thats not under, thats shade strong eagle weak. I hate watching the NFL. So boring. I can see your points about calling it something else or using different terminology as something that would throw the guys off. But from a personal story... We had a local college that installed a spread tempo type O kind of at the dawning of that offense. They had a QB who was unreal in the system think he was a D2 all-american just unstoppable. So he end up playing for our local indoor team. A guy I highly respect and was a college HC himself is helping this team. So the QB comes in and the coach says draw up a cover 3 on the board. QB says I don't know what that is. Coach says huh? QB says yeah all we did was run plays and not worry about coverage they just told me throw it to who was open. Now knowing the OC from where this QB played in college and having talked to many people who coached with him or played with him he would just draw up plays tell the OL coach to block it and let the QB be an athlete basically. Did the same thing when he moved to a HS HC job. Now I would find it hard to believe that a QB going through the combine would have no clue, but there are places out there where it happens. Maybe they asked the kid to draw a cover two and explain what the D did in it and he was like "Well cover 2 middle of the field is open so I throw this.." so he knew what it looked like but no idea how it worked.
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Post by wingtol on Sept 10, 2015 5:20:42 GMT -6
Thought it was a turd as well. Not much exclusive behind the scenes access like they hyped. Was hoping for a bit more behind the scenes as they hyped it up, maybe some meetings or position meetings or something other than stuff that has been reported and shown over and over.
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Post by wingtol on Sept 7, 2015 11:17:00 GMT -6
Pretty sure this one will be out of the hands of the coach to make a call on. Don't some places have laws against assaulting sports officals? These two need criminal charges brought against them. Not so sure the HC shouldn't step down either. I know I would if it was me. If you have already had two kids ejected and a coach from what I read then this seems like there is a lack of instutional controll.
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Post by wingtol on Sept 5, 2015 18:42:29 GMT -6
Your grass is eight inches high
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Post by wingtol on Sept 4, 2015 7:42:37 GMT -6
I am always great greatful we have a full time trainer who asses injury and then referees to the sports med Drs he is hooked up with. If a kid is hurt at football they see the trainer and the sports med Dr. Makes it easy to avoid those injury situations. But I know all aren't that lucky.
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Post by wingtol on Sept 3, 2015 5:58:04 GMT -6
Two questions: If I have a system that I know works why would I change it? That 14 year old, doesn't he have to learn whatever scheme you run? Coach, absolutely, the boys have to learn what we teach. . . . But this forum is a testament to the football idea that there are dozens and dozens of schemes, plays, strategies. There are so many because so many work. It just might be that because a coach has mastered something, that everyone that comes after him has to learn and master the same thing. In rec and HS and college you are turning over yor roster every four years. Not unreasonable to turn over ones strategies once and while as well. If only to go through what a young player has to. Learn something new. Are you an administrator? Because if you aren't I am sure my district would hire you! "We have a great new data driven program that will send test scores through the roof!" Year or two later "We have a great new data driven program that will drive test scores through the roof!" Next year "This new program is gonna get us over the hump and test scores up!" Then they wonder why test scores never go up. Cause the kids have no phucking clue whats going on since it changes every year or two. See what I am getting at here?
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Post by wingtol on Sept 2, 2015 12:38:02 GMT -6
I have wondered about coaches who use the same scheme year after year. At what point are they coasting? It may be a chicken and egg argument but do you fit the boys into your scheme, or do you build a scheme to fit the boys? I have to think that putting the players first and building a scheme around them is better coaching, but then as the picture at the top of this thread shows, Sometimes the old ways are the best ways. One question I have for coaches who have stayed the course. . . have you ever wondered about the struggles of 14 year old freshman trying to learn for the first time, a scheme you have coached for x number of years in a row? Have you ever wondered about the struggle of a high school player trying to learn a new system every year because you try and build a new system every year? Kind of sounds like you're trying to be the smartest guy in the room by saying you should constantly be switching what you do to keep up with the times. The best programs, big difference from best team, in our area and really when you look around have what I call schematic identity. IE you know what they are going to run year in and year out and they are usually good because they stick to their guns. The worst teams around? One year they are spread then they are flex bone then wing t then pistol etc etc. You probably guessed i am part part of a staff who runs our system year in and year out, wing t, no matter what. We can adapt it to what we have player wise. The day I am wearing a visor wearing neon colored sneakers and holding a picture of Bert and ernie up,to call plays is the day I have told former players to drag me off the sidelines cause I have lost it.
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Post by wingtol on Sept 1, 2015 5:58:53 GMT -6
JK and blb said it. Wait and see if he comes crawling back. Kids in those types of situations don't have the best coping skills. Of course we don't know much outside of what you have told us and it's hard to give solid advice without being in your shoes.
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Post by wingtol on Aug 20, 2015 20:29:26 GMT -6
I don't really see how the drill is any worse than running a live team session. In fact if you are doing 2 O vs 1 D it's probably safer over all if you think of the s**t show team can be with a bad scout team. We do a vortex drill now with the groups staggered five yards apart and the cones getting wider going out. Kids love it. Want to do it every day. We don't but it's a good one we do once during camp. But we are dinosaurs who still expect all of our offensive guys to be able to drive block and all our defensive guys to shed a block and make a tackle.
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Post by wingtol on Aug 20, 2015 20:16:54 GMT -6
We have been running the same system using the same termonilogy for about 11 years now. Not the OC but HC will run anything I tell him to from the box if we have a play put in that week or some other game plan type stuff I write it down with a star next to it on my defensive call sheet that I write out with a sharpie on the back of a scout play card in the press box before the game. Yeah we don't get to fancy. We don't have 1 and 10 2 and short 2nd and long etc calls we just have our plays and run whatever has been working.
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Post by wingtol on Aug 13, 2015 10:23:48 GMT -6
i got 20 kids, 14 of them are players - 6 of them....will fill. i have 3 coaches - limited gear (to the point where i made my chutes out of PVC) and limited practice time. id love to see a D1 coach work with that. You don't think they would adjust? How would or did you do in that situation your first year coaching at that level? I'm sure you are a much better coach now than you were say 4 years ago in the same situation. I don't understand why those big time coaches wouldn't adapt. I'm sure they'd figure it out. I am sure some of them would figure it out but I would be willing to bet there would be a good number who say "I can't domthis we don't have ______ to work with" or whatever. But I am sure there would be some "big timers" who felt too good to be in a situation like that and it wouldn't work out well for them. Let's be real some of those guys have pretty big egos that would get in the way of lowering themselves to that situation. Hell I know local HS guys who are so arrogant they come out and say "I would never coach at any level below the biggest class it's not worth it".
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Post by wingtol on Aug 12, 2015 10:19:51 GMT -6
I think it's a fun debate to have and kick around this time of year. I posted about throwing them into a small school environment because it would be a huge adjustement and again fun to talk about. I know a guy who went from DC at a D2 school in a great comfrecne to DC at a HS in smallest class. He said it was a huge struggle for him at first. Instead of walking in and having 8 tapes laid out in his desk cut into 1st and 10 , 2nd and long, 3rd and short etc with a diagram of every play on his desk he had to spend 5 minutes just trying to figure out where a kid linedup or what route he ran cause the film sucked so bad lol. Or having one whole practice and 20 minutes of another to install a game plan. Or having 6 bags and 10 cones to use for all drills. The guy adapted and did a good job but he admits he struggled at first. Those are the things that would be fun to see big time D1 guys deal with right away. Would they adjust sure they would but those first few weeks would be fun to see,
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Post by wingtol on Aug 11, 2015 11:00:36 GMT -6
Already posted our HC resigned and then got another HC job so we all went, with that move I took a pretty hefty pay cut in my coaching salary. Went from about 2700 to splitting a Jv salary for 800 a season now. So I am defiantly not in it for the money!!
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Post by wingtol on Aug 10, 2015 7:01:06 GMT -6
Never underestimate the stupidity of parents. I think this is a different issue that a kid just missing or skipping. You need to explain to the kid and parent look he's missing the most important part of the season really this is your choice and he's going to be way behind when you get back. I just think it's hard to punish a kid if his parents are making him doing something like that. Now kids just skipping for dumb stuff or showing up when ever they want is a different story. What is kid makes a choice to miss. What would you do? Like if a kid skips practice or just doesn't show?
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Post by wingtol on Aug 9, 2015 16:38:36 GMT -6
Our district has no policy, not the best run heck our track and swimming championships are in another state but I digress, our region meets as coaches and we have a previous two game agreement. Another region in the district trades every game to every region team.
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Post by wingtol on Aug 9, 2015 10:36:50 GMT -6
Yes we have two scrimmages before week one, one a week of pre-season practice. Can scout but hard with a small staff and times mostly the same for scrimmages around here. We will exchange two scrimmages with week one opponent and second scrimmage and week one game with second week foe.
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Post by wingtol on Aug 7, 2015 11:56:35 GMT -6
Scissor lift if you can swing it. Been up on one with a 300lb + coach. Was an experience to say the least...
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