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Post by nltdiego on Sept 3, 2015 11:39:23 GMT -6
Maybe it's this generation of my area, but are you seeing kids always hurt? I literally have 3-5 kids per week that get hurt (not injured) and don't play in games.
Anybody else have problem? Anybody found a way to improve it?
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Post by tekart on Sept 3, 2015 11:56:18 GMT -6
The only cure I found was winning. We had issues with a ton of kids that were always hurt started winning and those numbers dropped. If it is a kid sitting out of practice to get out of work make him bring a note from a doctor, not mom, but an actual doctor.
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Post by coachfloyd on Sept 3, 2015 12:58:02 GMT -6
Ignore them when they get hurt. dont practice, you can't play. Obviously there are exceptions but this is my rule. Too much on offense that has to do with timing to just sit out even if you know what to do.
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Post by blb on Sept 3, 2015 13:14:50 GMT -6
Have not had that problem, but players practice unless trainer holds them out.
If they miss significant practice time, especially Tuesday-Wednesday full pads days, their playing time-role is diminished.
If they don't practice all week, they don't dress.
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Post by realdawg on Sept 3, 2015 16:22:36 GMT -6
We had a rough year last year. A lot of kids quit. Weren't very tough. Didn't play through pain. We made the off season hard. Really stressed effort and toughness. Now we have a few kids who are playing through pain. Pulled groin etc... Now we are 2-0. And I don't think we are that great of a team. But we are playing hard. And the kids wanna play. Got 4 that won't play tomorrow due to legitimate injuries. Seperated shoulder, torn miniscus etc. and those kids are begin us to play. I think the key is investment. They paid the price to play. Last years team did not.
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 3, 2015 19:40:55 GMT -6
We had a rough year last year. A lot of kids quit. Weren't very tough. Didn't play through pain. We made the off season hard. Really stressed effort and toughness. Now we have a few kids who are playing through pain. Pulled groin etc... Now we are 2-0. And I don't think we are that great of a team. But we are playing hard. And the kids wanna play. Got 4 that won't play tomorrow due to legitimate injuries. Seperated shoulder, torn miniscus etc. and those kids are begin us to play. I think the key is investment. They paid the price to play. Last years team did not. Full squats with heavy weight is painfull. 5 sets of planks for 90 seconds is painful. Mountain climbers for 5 x 30 seconds because they don't change weight fast enough is painful. Doing a last burn out set on bench is painful. Running 10 sets of 40's at full speed is painful. I'm with realdawg; if you want be tough, then you got live tough. |
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Post by dubber on Sept 3, 2015 21:05:06 GMT -6
Toughness is one of the ancillary benefits of training.
We've had more issues with family doctors going to the automatic "no football for 2 weeks" for everything.
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Post by fantom on Sept 3, 2015 21:39:42 GMT -6
A couple of things that we've done in addition to the ideas already mentioned"
1. On the first day I give them the talk about not getting "Wally Pipped" (Sitting out and getting replaced by a Hall of Famer). Now, we talk about missing practice but they get the picture.
2. We also tell them not to go to the doctor, unless it's a real emergency, until they see the trainer. Dubber's right, family doctors will sit them out immediately. Military doctors may be worse. For that reason, we also tell them that,
if you're not in serious pain or something obviously isn't working right, Mom doesn't need to know about every bump and bruise.
in the long run, though, the best answer is what DCOhio said in the "Winner" thread. When they're playing for each other peer pressure is the thing that makes kids tough.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 7:09:01 GMT -6
cutting their playing time for the kids who do play with pain is a great cure. "ok, I am ready coach, put me back in..." is a no fly zone. The kid's availability, dependability is now compromised. He is not being fair to his coaches or his teammates.
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Post by John Knight on Sept 4, 2015 7:22:31 GMT -6
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Post by natenator on Sept 4, 2015 7:23:42 GMT -6
A couple of things that we've done in addition to the ideas already mentioned" 1. On the first day I give them the talk about not getting "Wally Pipped" (Sitting out and getting replaced by a Hall of Famer). Now, we talk about missing practice but they get the picture. 2. We also tell them not to go to the doctor, unless it's a real emergency, until they see the trainer. Dubber's right, family doctors will sit them out immediately. Military doctors may be worse. For that reason, we also tell them that, if you're not in serious pain or something obviously isn't working right, Mom doesn't need to know about every bump and bruise. in the long run, though, the best answer is what DCOhio said in the "Winner" thread. When they're playing for each other peer pressure is the thing that makes kids tough. How do you get away with counseling kids to not see a doctor? I'd be in unbelievable trouble if I told kids not to see a doctor unless it met some arbitrary criteria I set. |
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Post by tekart on Sept 4, 2015 7:36:24 GMT -6
I tell my players to see the trainer first. It is free so you cannot beat the cost. Then if the trainer thinks it is bad enough they can recommend the doctor.
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Post by wingtol on Sept 4, 2015 7:42:37 GMT -6
I am always great greatful we have a full time trainer who asses injury and then referees to the sports med Drs he is hooked up with. If a kid is hurt at football they see the trainer and the sports med Dr. Makes it easy to avoid those injury situations. But I know all aren't that lucky.
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Post by natenator on Sept 4, 2015 7:45:11 GMT -6
I tell my players to see the trainer first. It is free so you cannot beat the cost. Then if the trainer thinks it is bad enough they can recommend the doctor. Sure we do too. We have trainers at our games. We have trainers who misdiagnose all the time. I just know that if we coached players on when to see (or not see) a doctor then we'd have some issues. We get around it to an extent by forcing a doctor's note that holds them out of practice. This forces the parents hand to spend the time to take off work so they can take their kid to the Doctors (not a huge deterrent in Canada given medical care is covered). |
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Post by blb on Sept 4, 2015 8:06:26 GMT -6
I told parents up front at June meeting that if they took kids to GP that there was high probability the MD would rule him out of football for two weeks as soon as he walked in the door regardless of severity of issue, so unless it was an emergency or something obviously wrong that manifested itself over the weekend or after practice to wait for trainer's recommendation.
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Post by fantom on Sept 4, 2015 8:36:07 GMT -6
A couple of things that we've done in addition to the ideas already mentioned" 1. On the first day I give them the talk about not getting "Wally Pipped" (Sitting out and getting replaced by a Hall of Famer). Now, we talk about missing practice but they get the picture. 2. We also tell them not to go to the doctor, unless it's a real emergency, until they see the trainer. Dubber's right, family doctors will sit them out immediately. Military doctors may be worse. For that reason, we also tell them that, if you're not in serious pain or something obviously isn't working right, Mom doesn't need to know about every bump and bruise. in the long run, though, the best answer is what DCOhio said in the "Winner" thread. When they're playing for each other peer pressure is the thing that makes kids tough. How do you get away with counseling kids to not see a doctor? I'd be in unbelievable trouble if I told kids not to see a doctor unless it met some arbitrary criteria I set. I didn't say that. I said to see the trainer first. |
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Post by John Knight on Sept 4, 2015 8:47:10 GMT -6
Our trainer is paid by the local hospital and ortho docs. They always get referred to Doc! Most of them know sports injuries and do work with players better than Pedia docs but still are cautious.
Funny story, at our first picnic of the year our HC is up in front of team, cheerleaders and parents. He said to always go to trainer first, not run to the baby doctor like they always had in the past. oops one of the cheerleader's dad is local pediatrician !
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Post by coachphillip on Sept 4, 2015 10:18:59 GMT -6
I think the investment thing is big. If kids put in HARD work all summer long, don't nobody want to miss pay days. Also, numbers and expectations are big. If you let the kids bench themselves over and over Monday through Thursday and then start them on Friday, then that's on you. Set the expectations. The more numbers you have, the more leverage you have.
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Post by dytmook on Sept 6, 2015 16:33:12 GMT -6
We tell kids to talk to us about a football related injury because we can get them in with sports medicine doctors faster. Also because well the baby doc is going to take the most conservative call possible.
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Post by orion320 on Sept 7, 2015 19:46:53 GMT -6
We played a very physical game this past week. We had 2 significant injuries and 2 different approaches to the pain:
Player 1 - a senior strained his hip flexor, trainer on sideline said "he can play as the pain tolerates." To me this means he can play.....but he chose not to. After being cleared by a Dr. on Saturday, he comes to practice today saying he wants to sit this week. I know hip flexors are nagging injuries but we had several kids over the years play though it. He has lost his starting spot and it will be tough for him to get it back.
Player 2 - has a possible MCL and ACL Tear, didn't say anything about getting hurt until Sunday morning. After watching the play all coaches are surprised he continued to play. Went to trainer today and has MRI tomorrow, both he and his parents said they are okay putting off surgery until season is over so he doesn't miss his senior season. Not sure that will happen.
Tale of two different types of kids. One who is a kid who plays football and the other is a FOOTBALL PLAYER!!!
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