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Post by hsrose on Jan 11, 2008 8:54:04 GMT -6
Where does the money come from? I see mentions of budgets, etc.
The only funds we get from the school &/or district are coaches stipend (which comes from the kids "pay to play" money), and $5k to the school (that covers all sports) each year for safety equipment. We get some from the athletic boosters (no football boosters) each year, but we're just one of the sports asking for funds. We raise all other funds, including money for the bus rides. If we want something we work for it, but then we can get what we want with little discussion.
Are your teams funded by the schools, football boosters, or are you self-funded?
Casey IHS Vikings
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Post by hsrose on Feb 7, 2006 14:46:55 GMT -6
This may not be what you are looking for...
I don’t have a lot of experience with this, only what I saw last season. 3 coaches who had been with the program for a long time left, each for different reasons. I, and another coach (the OC), joined the staff. This changed the dynamics so the summer workouts were different than what they had done before. We also lost our weight room to remodeling, so we had a very minimal weight room in a cafeteria. We couldn’t fit everyone in so we had to break everyone into groups.
The HC had a roster list with all of the workout dates. We had 10 days of spring ball, a week of finals, a week of graduations, and then a 4-day week of full-contact football camp with 5 other schools. After that we had workouts 4-days a week until the 2nd week of August.
The attendees at each workout were marked. Each player had to get 20 workouts in during the summer to be eligible to play varsity. If they didn’t make the 20 they could either start out on the JV or “buy” workouts by massive sets of pushups and running. Only had a couple of guys did not make the 20. We didn't record individual scores/times as we just flat didn't do anything that was individual-based.
Each workout was divided into 3 or 4 stations – weights (usually), plyometrics, conditioning, and core training. We’d rotate after 10-15 min. so everyone got to do everything. We worked everyone really hard all summer and I think it paid off for us as we went to the section championships for the first time in school history.
I would then stay and throw to the receivers. Twice a week we’d have passing league against 7-other local teams. We went to 1 weekend passing tournament. This went on all summer up to the 2nd week of August. Then a down week, a week of player-run conditioning/team building, and then we started double-days.
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Post by hsrose on Sept 22, 2006 7:44:52 GMT -6
So, the path to team O/scout D practice enlightenment might include:
1. Know the objective of the practice period – what do we want/need to accomplish in this period 2. Film your team period. Don’t correct during the session, but after practice during film review with the team. 3. Run all our plays out of one formation in a row 4. DC runs the scout D during Team O and OC runs the scout O during team D 5. If they run the play right the first time then huddle up and move on 6. Run two huddles in practice. One huddle is varsity. They go twice. The second group is JV. 7. Go no huddle and call the play at the line 8. Script the offense. Record something about the play as feedback (did it work, penalty, result) 9. Mimic the D, not install new each week. Run YOUR defense but adjust to look like your opponent's defense.
Thanks to everyone who has responded so far.
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Post by hsrose on Sept 21, 2006 7:39:53 GMT -6
How do you run your offense vs. scout d? I watched our JV go yesterday and they seemed to be doing the normal thing, huddle, run the play, mull around, talk about it, huddle, repeat.
They were getting plays off between 45-1:15 between snaps. In a 30 min. period that would be 25-40'ish snaps. It seems that if the objective is to get reps, get 2nds reps, that there should be a better way(s) to do this.
Any thoughts on how to increase the efficiency of this period?
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Post by hsrose on Nov 2, 2006 15:18:51 GMT -6
In my youth coaching days...
We did a couple of things that were below the radar. Our local JC has a flea market the 2nd Saturday of each month. Cost $60 for 2 parking lot stalls. Get 5-8 families to contribute stuff that won't be coming back. Kids clothes, books, shoes, toys, pretty much everything. Take it, sell it, and whatever doesn't sell goes right to Goodwill. Nothing left to stock/return. As a non-profit we could do that twice a year. We'd make anywhere from $300-800 (1 time) doing this.
Another I've used is the local Arena Football League team does fund-raising. They sell a group tickets, in blocks of 20, for $13 each. The ticket has a face of $20-26. You buy the tickets for $13 and sell to the parents/players/anyone for $20-26. Difference goes in the team kitty. I've normally been able to sell 50-70 tickets for games. Tried to do the opening and closing games. Kids get to watch football, team gets money, SaberCats get butts in the seats.
We'also worked concession stands at concerts and the Raider and 49er games. Raider games a group can make $800-1,500 based on the game attendance.
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Post by hsrose on Jan 2, 2007 9:59:52 GMT -6
Ok, here's the sad but true tale. D1 caliber player on our team has lots of interest and a couple of verbals (Nebraska, Utah, Utah State, couple others) before and during the season. Life is good, kid is going to get someome to pay for his college. Season goes on, he has a good/great season, all is well. All the attention went to his head so he didn't have backups for backups, put everything into a couple of out of state schools.
Now that the season has ended, he's finding that he is sliding down the depth charts on these schools as prep schools and early-out seniors are becoming available for spring ball. Where he was #1 at a couple of schools, he's now been told that he's #3 or lower.
So, the question is how do I help this kid market himself, quickly, to the schools? He is legit - 4.4 speed, 5'11, 190, 65 on Nike/SPARQ combine, presses 300+, hard hitter, etc. He's 1st team All-Metro (DB) here in the SF Bay area. No issues with discipline, excellent leader, great attitude, knows football. Grades and scores are sufficient to get him in.
He asked me to help last week and I'm already working on his highlight video and can make all the copies he needs. The kids are still out of school so the HC will probably be able to help a lot more than I can, but that won't be until next week.
So, any suggestions on how to late-season market a good player?
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Post by hsrose on Jan 11, 2008 9:05:52 GMT -6
CA - North Coast Section
2008 - Practice starts 08/18. No scrimmages until 08/29-30.
Week 0 is 09/05.
11 weeks to play 10 games.
Last game 11/15.
Playoffs start 11/22. 3-4 playoff games, depending on division, for section championship. BCS-type selection for state championship - 3-divisions.
After school is out and the final round of the CIF golf championship has ended the NCS basically goes to sleep. We could hold 2/day practices in full pads and scrimmage other teams. They wake up again when practice starts in August. We have normally hosted a week-long contact camp for 5 other teams.
Casey IHS Vikings
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Post by hsrose on Jul 27, 2007 8:11:17 GMT -6
Our staff still hasn't meshed so I don't know what the defensive thoughts are for the Jr. QB. The Sr. QB is a lock for LB. The Jr. QB is too good to leave off the defense.
We have a new HC who brought in some new staff. They are all from our rival school so us returning coaches have blue shorts and they still have black and orange shorts. We'll get together but right now, I have no idea where they think he can play, only that he did well as the nose.
The offense is my call and the defense belongs to the new DC.
Should be a fun year.
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Post by hsrose on Jul 25, 2007 13:45:55 GMT -6
The Sr. qb could easily play S/LB, played DE all last season. The Jr. QB could play LB but has never played a down of defense until this past camp (either in a platoon league or 1-way QB). While I think he could play LB, he would be starting from scratch and would have a learning curve. By the way, the Jr. will be 15 for our first 3 games so I also have "brain overload" to consider.
So, the question becomes - better to have him at LB where he will become a good defender in time, or at DL where he can cause problems now and possibly move him to LB next year?
I'd hate to put him in position to fail when it is not his fault. Then again, I'm not a defensive-minded person so I very likely have no idea about the defense and how he could adjust.
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Post by hsrose on Jul 23, 2007 15:32:24 GMT -6
That may be the 1st QB/Nose man I've ever heard of. Yeah, it's got me looking sideways as well. Kid is 6'0" and is down to 190. Very quick first step. Got doubles and tripled a couple of times at our camp. Squats 460, bench's 200, cleans 200. Much quicker than any of the other DL (larger, fatter). But then he's been running the option for 3 years, passes darn well, and makes great decisions. I've had a lot of folks say they've had QB's play LB and/or Safety, or Corner, but not DL, especially nose. Should be an interesting year. Thanks for all the comments, and please keep them coming. Casey
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Post by hsrose on Jul 23, 2007 8:24:22 GMT -6
Any issues you’ve run into having your QB go both ways?
We're an option team so our QB's are runners first and will be getting hit on a regular basis. We're going to pass probably 20% per game so they will be throwing as well.
I have 1 QB that is a Will LB, and the other has been playing nose (we just finished a 4-day contact camp). Any ideas on likelihood of injury to the QB based on position?
Thanks
Casey IHS Vikings
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Post by hsrose on May 31, 2006 13:44:22 GMT -6
1 more thing - elevated ropes. Took 4 12" spikes, put them through a PVC end cap, connected that to a 6" length of .75" PVC. Filled that with plaster. Put a 3-way cap on top of that. Poked the spike into the ground (10 yds on a side) and ran a .25" rope and elastic ropes through the tops. Now I have a 40-yd perimiter that is is 5-6" off the ground. Because of the elastic the rope will give so nothing gets broken.
I use this to have the players jump over it. Ex: 1st length is right foot only, 2nd is both feet, 3rd is left foot only, 4th length is both feet again. Change off the jumps. We run this in summer conditioning.
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Post by hsrose on May 31, 2006 13:37:44 GMT -6
4-way Tug-of-war. Large metal ring, c-clamps, 4-1' lengths of chain, 4-30' lengths of 1' nylon rope. Total cost $120 (rope mostly) but very good workout. Connect the chain to the clamps, tie the rope to the chains. We do this several times over the summer and as a reward at the end of practice.
We use 3 guys on the ends of rope. Set a 10-yd square with cones, put the ring in the middle. You win if you get the ring over your end-line. What is effective is that if the pullers change their angles they can combine forces against the other teams. Then to win they have to shift angles again. Our best battle was a 47-second war with the OL/DL. Because this is strength and some agility (moving angles) it works the players pretty well.
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Post by hsrose on Aug 20, 2007 10:02:42 GMT -6
Our league/area (No. CA) doesn't exchange except for playoffs where you have no idea who you might be playing. Basically you want the game, go film/scout the game. If you can get additional film from other coaches that is fine as well. But no direct exchange.
I know that in some of the areas that do exchange filming the other team is considered a no-no, almost an ethical issue. Is that the case where you guys are? I can't imagine trying to exchange tapes, seems like a major hassle, but then, so is trying to film/scout our opponents.
Casey IHS Vikings
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Post by hsrose on Aug 11, 2007 10:04:03 GMT -6
I prefer "You are either part of the solution or you are part of the precipitate..."
Sorry. I used to work with a bunch of scientist types.
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Post by hsrose on Aug 6, 2007 9:13:18 GMT -6
See, that's the problem. We hit it hard the last two seasons, had great participation, and I feel that it worked very well. This season, the players really haven't been worked that hard (their opinion) and are facing 5 days of special teams and running. The following week we begin double-days.
I'm not disagreeing with what is happening, just wondering from a conditioning standpoint which is most effective. I'm more of a "work them pretty hard for a longer time" rather than a "we'll work them very hard for a week" but I have no basis for this opinion other than that is what we did the past 2 seasons.
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Post by hsrose on Aug 6, 2007 8:43:36 GMT -6
Not sure if this fits here, but it didn't seem to fit in the weights or the speed section.
We will be starting our "conditioning" practices next week. These are 2-hrs each, no pads, but can use helmets and balls and bags. Our HC seems to be taking the approach that this will be pretty much running time to condition the players. The past two seasons we hit the running much harder during the summer than this summer. Several of the players have told me that they don't consider what they are doing in the summer workouts to be conditioning (cardio wise, weights are going very well) them at all.
What are your thoughts on cardio training? Build up over the summer, or hit it hard at the start of practice?
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Post by hsrose on May 7, 2007 22:39:58 GMT -6
We're going to do that this season. Just got back from a "Meet the coaches" meeting where this was explained. The company (local) takes the images, emphasizes the seniors, does the layout (30/32 pages on average). Parents find the sponsors - min. of 27 at $200 each. More sponsors mean more pages which means more photos. That brings in at least $5,400 to the company. They then send 200-250 (or whatever number is negotiated, wasn't clear) completed programs, professionally imaged and designed programs to the school. We can then do what we want with them. Normally these are sold for like $5 and can be reordered.
Included photos of all the players, varsity and JV, and the cheerleaders. Seniors were emphasized - biggest photos, most images, the cover, etc. The guy does professional photos and does Senior action photos. For players that are 3.5+ gpa they get a free 8x10 action photo. Improve the gpa by .5 and get a free 8x10. They get the digital file as well so the parents can print as many as they want. He has a website where the parents can order prints from the images.
I don't know all the fine details of how this works, but the copies he showed tonight were very nice. They were from our rivals, but they were really nicely done.
Casey IHS Vikings
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Post by hsrose on Dec 4, 2007 13:50:56 GMT -6
Our school is a little different on grades. No D's or F's, we have I's and NC's. 2-I's and no extracurricular activities until cleared, school policy. NC and no way.
I's have to be cleared by a contract (extra work) with the teacher (so many worksheets, pages of reading, writing, whatever, to get the grade to a C, in a certain time period). NC's can't be raised and results in no units for the course. That means summer school, local JC, adult school.
The advantage of this is that a kid can't slide with a D. The I's have to be worked off or they become NC's which means no units.
We do bi-weekly progress reports, with private discussions on performance. No penalties, just help.
Casey IHS Vikings
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Post by hsrose on Mar 11, 2008 7:32:42 GMT -6
If you PM me I will send you the consolidation of fund raising ideas from this board. I went through the messages that had anything to do with raising money. Put them into a Word file, added some that we do, and now have a 20+ page document that has quite a list of activities.
These were all taken from this board the first week of March, 2008, and are your ideas. I've added a few, but not many. This is not meant for resale or anything, it was just an interesting exercise. I just got tired of seeing things here and there. I'd post it here but don't think I have the ability to do so. If someone wants to post it I'll send it to them.
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Post by hsrose on Jun 12, 2007 8:01:52 GMT -6
Irvington is pretty much the southern-most school in the NCS. We are in Fremont which Borders on Milpitas which is the CCS.
Logan is the largest school in the NCS with right at 4,000 students. It does them no good to play in our league as the rest of us are in the 2,000-2,200 range (3A) with 1 at 1,500 (2A). They simply out-man everyone in our league. They should be dominant in the NCS and maybe they will once Zuber(?) has a chance to really put his mark on things. I see that they have Pittsburgh, Berkeley, and Monte Vista so it appears that they are trying to improve their program. We are the last MVAL team to beat them and that was in 2005.
The highlights are a test to explore how to do the on-line video stuff. The resulting quality is OK, but it makes the players look awfully fast. Well, at least their legs are moving fast.
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Post by hsrose on Jun 11, 2007 13:22:17 GMT -6
As an experiment I put the clips from our 2006 highlight video on youtube this weekend. I didn't use the highest quality when making the video but it works pretty well. This was more of an exercise in working out the technical issues with working with youtube. We're in white or blue. www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=CBC6E03342A12C9FCasey IHS Vikings
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Post by hsrose on May 3, 2007 12:59:04 GMT -6
Irvington HS in Fremont, CA. We run the Bone, Flex, and broken. Triple, midline, lead. We changed 3 seasons ago and have been in the playoffs the past 2 years, playing for the section title in 2005.
Casey IHS Vikings
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Post by hsrose on Sept 18, 2007 9:15:44 GMT -6
Our staff has 10 coaches at all 3 levels. None are teachers at the HS. 2 are on-campus and the HC is very close.
1 - HC has a personal fitness training business, makes his own hours, and his gym is 1 mile from school. 2 - Vice principal at the school. Time with team is limited 3 - On-campus security guy. Freshmen HC 4 - Teacher at the continuation/adult school, not on campus 5 - Food services supervisor for the school district 6 - Construction-type guy, Freshmen staff 7 - Me - software engineer, start work at 0530 and off at 2 8 - Just out of HS, attending local JC, Freshmen staff 9 - Food supply salesman 10 - Fish company driver - works nights so he gets up and comes to practice
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Post by hsrose on Mar 11, 2008 7:28:11 GMT -6
The thing about the AFL, which I think is a smart marketing move, is that they didn't position it as "NFL Football". You cannot compete with the NFL, or the college game (NFL-Lite). I love to go to the games and watch them on TV when I find them. My wife hates the game, hates the scoring, hates the noise, hates the whole experience. As long as you can separate it from the NFL/college game yet still appreciate that it is football, it is a fun game.
Another thing they do, at least at the San Jose games, is that they keep things popping with the fans. They are always shooting shirts into the stands, the (ugliest) cheerleaders and their routines, the giveaways (cups, banners, etc.), the strangest half-time shows (when was last time you saw a guy pass his body through 2 tennis racquets at the same time?) you will see, and an all-over up-close feeling that you can’t get from outdoor football. So while I know that I’m nothing more than a butt in a seat, I come away feeling that my attendance is appreciated. I’ve never felt that way at the Raiders or 49ers games.
I work with the SaberCats to do two group purchase fund raisers each year. We get 50% of the ticket face value. The inflatable tunnel they run out of is actually a passing booth. They will be bringing this to our local youth football league and let them use it for raising money. I’ve never had a major sports organization do so much to help the community.
It’s a different game. Yes, it’s football with running, blocking, and tackling, but it’s a different game. I think they’ve done a great job of retaining the “recognizabilty” of football yet separating it sufficiently that it’s not competing with the NFL.
Can I learn anything from an AFL game? No, not sitting in the end-zone next to the SaberKittens trying to learn about the run game and pulling guards. But if my son and I move to the mid-field 2nd deck and watch the passing, you can learn a lot. The base concepts show themselves very well because you are so close and it is not spread out all over the field.
Same game, different approach.
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Post by hsrose on May 23, 2006 14:12:32 GMT -6
We run the triple option and a 4-4 defense.
I’m an absolute rookie coach in Fremont, CA. I was the HC of a youth team for 3 seasons, and then got an opportunity to join the local HS varsity for last season. We’re a 3A (1600-2200 students) school. After being a .500 team for 20 years, we played for the NCS East Bay Championship in the Oakland Coliseum last season.
I coach the WR’s and the DE’s, run the scout offense, and non-weights conditioning. I also did all the video work, cutups, and highlights. I was supposed to be in the booth but we never got the headsets working so we went the year without them.
I am 48 so getting into this coaching thing now is a real treat for me. I’m a software tweak by trade with 25 years at the same company.
I feel fortunate to have found this site as the experience and expertise here is extremely valuable to me.
Thanks
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Post by hsrose on Feb 8, 2007 10:33:18 GMT -6
According to the California Interscholastic Federation (CIF) web site there are 1,019 schools that play football divided into 10 sections. The breakdown is below.
Now, each section basically does it’s own thing. The seasons are either 9 or 10 week regular season, with 4-5 weeks of playoffs. The leagues are not segregated by school size or classification, so in our league of 7 teams there is 1-2A, 4-3A, and 2-4A school. The smallest is 1,500, the largest is 4,000.
IN OUR SECTION (and I would think in other sections) - Our section has A-2A-3A-4A, A is smallest, levels by school enrollment. League champs are an automatic playoff slot. If we are not the league champs then we have to petition/appear in front of the classification seeding committee meeting and explain why we should get in and where we should be seeded. Within our section, the NCS, there are 2 sub-sections – East Bay (us) and Redwood Empire. In our sub-section there are 16 3A and 16 4A schools, 8 get into the 3A and 8 into the 4A playoffs. De La Salle is in the 4A. The Redwood Empire doesn’t have any 4A schools so the 4A playoffs have a bye the week before their championship so that all the section championships are the same weekend.
After all the section playoffs are done then there is another committee meeting to determine which teams will represent the North and South sections. There are 3 levels which are tied to enrollment, but that don’t match to our section levels. So a team may play in 3A for section, but be large school for state and have no chance of going to state because De La Salle/Grant/others are larger.
State.Section ......Section......No..Schools...Enrollment North.Schools...............412.........578,851. ......Central.Coast......90........145,432. ......North.Coast.......116........152,480. ......Northern...........52.........32,891. ......Oakland.............6..........9,282. ......Sac-Joaquin.......140........223,197. ......San.Francisco.......8.........15,569. .................. Southern.Schools............607.......1,234,560. ......Central............85........131,666. ......LA.City............51........184,808. ......San.Diego..........87........151,958. ......Southern..........384........766,128. .................. Grand.Total............1,019.......1,813,411
It’s fun.
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Post by hsrose on Dec 15, 2006 14:31:51 GMT -6
I second the TDVideo. We use it for our scouting and game reporting. I don't use their reports very much as I export everything to Excel and run things from there. It's a very cost effective way to get the video broken down and the data entered.
I also use it for the highlight generation. I mark the good plays, and when it's time, I find and select those clips and copy them to iMovie. Very easy and transparent.
Casey IHS Vikings
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Post by hsrose on Dec 6, 2007 11:59:17 GMT -6
Regarding school size - We have the largest school in the NorCal section in our league, James Logan in Union City. According to CIF while they have 4.068 students, they are only the 17th largest football-playing school in the state. Our school is 2,001, the 2nd smallest in our 7-team league, and 446th in the state.
Casey IHS Vikings
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Post by hsrose on Dec 6, 2007 10:07:44 GMT -6
Looking on the California (CIF) home page there are two files that contain the schools and classifications for the high schools that play football. After chewing on those files a bit, it shows that there are 1.072 schools playing football, with 1,833,107 players. These schools are divided into 3 divisions for the state playoff games.
In the NorCal section there are 414 schools and 574,198 players, while in SoCal there are 658 schools and 1,258,909 players.
I don't have the time to do a national search, but what are the numbers for your state? The reason I ask is that we have a BCS-like selection for our state-level playoffs rather than a true playoff structure like I hear about in most other states. With the number of teams, leagues, and only 3 levels (at state), I really can't see how a playoff structure could be put in place without revising the entire state structure. I guess that I'm wondering if there is a number of schools above which playoffs aren't viable in a "1 game per week for 5 weeks" environment.
Casey IHS Vikings
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