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Post by hsrose on Sept 21, 2006 7:39:53 GMT -6
How do you run your offense vs. scout d? I watched our JV go yesterday and they seemed to be doing the normal thing, huddle, run the play, mull around, talk about it, huddle, repeat.
They were getting plays off between 45-1:15 between snaps. In a 30 min. period that would be 25-40'ish snaps. It seems that if the objective is to get reps, get 2nds reps, that there should be a better way(s) to do this.
Any thoughts on how to increase the efficiency of this period?
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Post by wingtol on Sept 21, 2006 9:20:06 GMT -6
Well the best way to do it is simple: Film your team period. Do not correct mistakes on the field. Run alot of plays. Then watch the film with the players and make corrections.
Would be nice to be able to do that but unfortunalty I know we do not have the time/resources to do it. We try our best to get quality reps against the scout team and correct mistakes as quick as posisble. But its hard to get a bunch of 2nd and 100th stringers to run a totally diffrent D or O every week and give you a look. Just have to coach on the fly I guess.
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Post by knight9299 on Sept 21, 2006 9:31:12 GMT -6
Our issue is getting our scout D lined up right. To remedy this we'll run all our plays out of one formation in a row. This way we line up the scouts once. That is until we switch another formation. The defensive alignments are on cards but for the life of some of them they still can't figure it out.  |
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Post by Coach Huey on Sept 21, 2006 9:31:28 GMT -6
our take is that if we are having to spend a large amount of time correcting in team, then we didn't do a good job in hulls. mistakes will happen, but they should be addressed with short, quick, spefici coaching points. if too many miscues are happening, we feel like we didn't work it enough or teach it properly in the individual & group settings.
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Post by bulldozer54 on Sept 21, 2006 9:46:08 GMT -6
Nothing is more frustrating to me as a coach than to have 99% of the team standing around while one player is being coached. Pretty soon the players are discussing every topic except football. We use pre-practice and chalk time to set up our scout teams. It saves us a ton of time on the field and we are able to get a lot of reps in a 10 minute period of team. Our Indo and group periods are where the finer points are taught, team is putting it all together.
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Post by mitch on Sept 21, 2006 9:49:16 GMT -6
One of the most valuable (if not the most valuable) guys on staff is the one who is running the scout O or D. Our DC runs the scout D during Team O and I do the Scout O during Team D. We script it out, as I'm sure everyone else does, and that really cuts down on time wasted getting the scouts lined up.
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Post by epcoach99 on Sept 21, 2006 9:56:49 GMT -6
If they run the play right the first time huddle up and move on. If they don't get it right line up on the ball, walk through the mistake and then walk through the correct procedure. Then run it. Still not right? Line up, point out mistake and run it until its right.
Our kids are expected to jog back to the huddle. Any walkers get to condition while someone takes their spot.
We run two huddles in practice. One huddle is varsity. They go twice. Once with starters and once with subs (mostly skill kids. I only have about 6-7 guys that can play varsity o-line). The second group is JV. They are treated just as the varsity.
Everyone hustles back to the huddle. Our head coach has also started sending kids home that are not paying attention or messing around.
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Post by coachjd on Sept 21, 2006 9:58:19 GMT -6
we put 2 scout teams together and as soon as the first groups play is done and whistle blows, the 2nd group will have their play and running to the LOS to run their play. The coaches are coaching on the run and we video tape on Tuesdays and Wednesdays.
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Post by coachdbs on Sept 21, 2006 12:07:37 GMT -6
I like knight's method of running all the plays out of one formation to help scout D. Does anyone else do this? Pros/Cons?
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Post by superpower on Sept 21, 2006 12:43:36 GMT -6
In order to get quality reps for our #1 offense vs. scout defense, we put wrist coaches on all of our offensive players and scrimmage without huddling. We get far more reps and it also allows us to work on our hurry up offense each day. I also think we get some conditioning out of it as we are rapid fire. We do stop and teach/coach as necessary, but then we get right back to the no huddle scrimmage.
Our defensive segments do take longer as our scout offense does need to huddle up and make sure of assignments, but with time we are getting better about getting them in and out of the huddle.
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Post by fbcoach33 on Sept 21, 2006 12:47:43 GMT -6
we go no huddle and that saves a ton of time, and we call the play at the line, the defense knows whats coming but that doesnt bother us. Im sure most people are like us, the scout D isnt as good as you first unit offense or defense, so by them knowing the play it gives them a better chance to give us a decent look. We also only pull the kid out that messed up on the play and sub a kid in on the fly to keep the reps going ata good pace. we talk on the side with the kid that messed up and then work him right back in.
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Post by coachmacplains on Sept 21, 2006 13:35:00 GMT -6
Agree that scripting and no huddle calling speeds things up; we have gone to no huddle this year and that has helped a lot. One thing to keep in mind is knowing what the objective is. We have what we call a dock sheet, which is a script to be run consecutively without interruption. The purpose here is to simulate a game situation. I write down, in general, if play was run correctly or incorrectly, play result, if there was a penalty, etc. This is something that we might do as we get later in the week, closer to the game. On the other hand, if we're not as interested in that sort of simulated situation, but want to hammer out problems, we may spend quite a bit more time on one or two plays; continuously running poor stuff to "get through" a list of plays gets us nowhere. The challenge seems to be to get the right balance between the those two approaches.
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Post by brophy on Sept 21, 2006 15:47:10 GMT -6
here is a simple way to do it....
1) script the offense
2) run YOUR defense (adjusted to look like your opponent's defense)....that way the practice team is actually repping THEIR true position and scheme to become better at THEIR position, rather than just being a tackling dummy.
We switched our TEAM periods a few years ago and found it was a helluva a lot more productive rather than shooting from the hips and working off cards.
SCRIPT it
FILM it
RUN what YOU run modified to mimic your opponent
....do it this way and it remains competitive (and exciting)-- keeps things moving.
If you draw it up on cards and say "you line up here and do this"....they will have no clue what you're talking about. If you keep it as similar to what you already run it won't be a foreign language to the player.
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Post by airman on Sept 21, 2006 18:13:07 GMT -6
this is why I like to two platoon. your 1st o can go against the first D. gives them a better look.
if you do not platoon, I have done the two scout teams and run it like a game. I do not like to talk much as I want to get the kids you aquire a taste for game speed.
to me it is a big disservice to the kids if you have the scout team huddle, then take time to explain things. kids need to experience the game tempo IMO.
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Post by wingt74 on Sept 21, 2006 18:41:45 GMT -6
Problem I always have is the Scout D knows the offense inside and out...
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Post by hsrose on Sept 22, 2006 7:44:52 GMT -6
So, the path to team O/scout D practice enlightenment might include:
1. Know the objective of the practice period – what do we want/need to accomplish in this period
2. Film your team period. Don’t correct during the session, but after practice during film review with the team.
3. Run all our plays out of one formation in a row
4. DC runs the scout D during Team O and OC runs the scout O during team D
5. If they run the play right the first time then huddle up and move on
6. Run two huddles in practice. One huddle is varsity. They go twice. The second group is JV.
7. Go no huddle and call the play at the line
8. Script the offense. Record something about the play as feedback (did it work, penalty, result)
9. Mimic the D, not install new each week. Run YOUR defense but adjust to look like your opponent's defense.
Thanks to everyone who has responded so far.
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Post by stone65 on Sept 22, 2006 11:24:53 GMT -6
We have a problem with our D getting a good look from our scout O. We have all the plays drawn up for the players to see, and we still cannot get a good look out of them. I think it puts us at a disadvantage.
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Post by superpower on Sept 22, 2006 11:39:54 GMT -6
I don't know what size school you are in, but that is something that small schools will always battle as there tends to be quite a drop off in talent and ability between the 1s and 2s. We have forced ourselves to platoon at most positions this year, and as a result we are getting better work vs. our scout squads on both sides of the ball. We are a 3A (about 265 kids in grades 9-12), and we are only starting 4 kids that go both ways. So our scout teams each have 7 varsity starters on them, and that does make a difference.
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Post by Coach Huey on Sept 22, 2006 15:01:01 GMT -6
here is a simple way to do it.... 1) script the offense 2) run YOUR defense (adjusted to look like your opponent's defense)....that way the practice team is actually repping THEIR true position and scheme to become better at THEIR position, rather than just being a tackling dummy. We switched our TEAM periods a few years ago and found it was a helluva a lot more productive rather than shooting from the hips and working off cards. SCRIPT it FILM it RUN what YOU run modified to mimic your opponent ....do it this way and it remains competitive (and exciting)-- keeps things moving. If you draw it up on cards and say "you line up here and do this"....they will have no clue what you're talking about. If you keep it as similar to what you already run it won't be a foreign language to the player. this is how we "script" our scout team's defensive alignment. can be tricky at times (we are a 50 team) when facing an opponent whose base is different. some of the things have to be tweaked, but it's much easier to say "run it like our 'bandit"" than just reading a card. we draw up sheets each day (cards) so the scout team coordinator (JV dc) can get a picture in his head of what it should look like. this has helped in both the speed at which the defense can align and in the aggressive they play. |
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Post by tog on Sept 22, 2006 15:30:17 GMT -6
here is a simple way to do it.... 1) script the offense 2) run YOUR defense (adjusted to look like your opponent's defense)....that way the practice team is actually repping THEIR true position and scheme to become better at THEIR position, rather than just being a tackling dummy. We switched our TEAM periods a few years ago and found it was a helluva a lot more productive rather than shooting from the hips and working off cards. SCRIPT it FILM it RUN what YOU run modified to mimic your opponent ....do it this way and it remains competitive (and exciting)-- keeps things moving. If you draw it up on cards and say "you line up here and do this"....they will have no clue what you're talking about. If you keep it as similar to what you already run it won't be a foreign language to the player. this is how we "script" our scout team's defensive alignment. can be tricky at times (we are a 50 team) when facing an opponent whose base is different. some of the things have to be tweaked, but it's much easier to say "run it like our 'bandit"" than just reading a card. we draw up sheets each day (cards) so the scout team coordinator (JV dc) can get a picture in his head of what it should look like. this has helped in both the speed at which the defense can align and in the aggressive they play. this is how we do it verbal blasts and coaching with the video are great as well sometimes the video thing doesn't work out though nothing I hate worse than stopping the whole practice to tell one player something while the rest of the 40 kids out there have their thumbs up their butts |
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