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Post by hsrose on Jul 23, 2007 8:24:22 GMT -6
Any issues you’ve run into having your QB go both ways?
We're an option team so our QB's are runners first and will be getting hit on a regular basis. We're going to pass probably 20% per game so they will be throwing as well.
I have 1 QB that is a Will LB, and the other has been playing nose (we just finished a 4-day contact camp). Any ideas on likelihood of injury to the QB based on position?
Thanks
Casey
IHS Vikings
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Post by coachorr on Jul 23, 2007 8:30:22 GMT -6
I think if you have two solid kids and then one other underclassman who can play that spot, you should be alright. Sounds crazy, but I think if the kid is a great athlete, he needs to be on the field. It shows tremendous leadership. One consideration may be that instead of will he plays safety.
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Post by darebelcoach on Jul 23, 2007 9:15:02 GMT -6
I am going through the same dilema for this upcoming season. Our QB is going to be a senior, he is the best athlete on our team. He is getting some looks from some smaller D1 schools for football. As a junior he was our QB, starting DB, and our kicker/punter. We needed him on the field because he was a playmaker...the problem was, in the end, we lost a couple close games that we probably should have won because he was exhausted by the 4th quarter. He missed a game winning field goal with 4 seconds left because he was dead tired, and in another game, he was having trouble in a 4th quarter 2 minute drill because he was drained. I agree that your best players have to play, but a kid who is a QB has a lot of influence on the game, and in my opinion I would rather have a kid who is a little more rested in the 4th quarter when he is needed to step up, so we have decided to only use him in nickel situations on defense and other type of long passing downs. Just my experience and my thoughts.
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Post by coachsky on Jul 23, 2007 9:37:45 GMT -6
I agree with your premise that you need the best players on the field.
A dog tired player, that can't give 100%, is not your best player.
We try to get our two-players off the field on one side of the ball. We try to give them 5-7 minutes off the field early in the 2nd and 4th quarters. Hydrate, rest their legs, get their helmet off.
We try to limit our 2 way players to 3 players, if we can. We always have their back-ups coached up. Wherever we can, we try to set up a split postion on one side of the ball. For example, I have s stud OT/DT. He plays every down on offense. Always takes a few plays off to start defensive series, the he roatates in two plays at a time. Same with our FB, he plays LBer, we have a decent back up on both side that can give him a breather.
Breaks are based on game situations, in key situations our best players are on the field. I've had some kids that were such great athletes and great competitors they could go both ways and still be strong in the 4th Qtr. I still believe in resting them when you can. I think a tired athlete is at a higher rick of injury.
If I have a QB going both ways I would prefer him to play safety over LBer; it requires a good backup QB, we coach up his defensive backup so he can take a break.
If I don't have a good backup QB, my starter would sit on defense.
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Post by brophy on Jul 23, 2007 9:42:37 GMT -6
option QBs are pretty tough SOBs, and probably would be tough to replace.
I think you can get away with this as long as you discipline yourself and your staff to make sure you give him breaks on defense (because when the game is close for 4 quarters, you won't want to pull him).
Time to start investing in his backup on both sides of the ball, so if he ever does get injured or gassed, you are not totally up the creek.
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Post by dubber on Jul 23, 2007 9:48:45 GMT -6
If I don't have a good backup QB, my starter would sit on defense. yep...........exact situation we're in.........small school, he's not playing defense, so our quarterback throws the balls for tip drill during DB Indy (luckily, we aren't shallow in the DB area) |
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Post by fbdoc on Jul 23, 2007 9:50:47 GMT -6
We're a small school so it's not an issue for us - the athletes are on the field. We try and spell them on special teams or through normal substitutions. This year our QB is big strong kid who is also an excellant passer, although he is rather slow of foot. He'll see his defensive snaps at DT and he's also our starting long snapper.
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Post by wingman on Jul 23, 2007 13:51:06 GMT -6
That may be the 1st QB/Nose man I've ever heard of.
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Post by hsrose on Jul 23, 2007 15:32:24 GMT -6
That may be the 1st QB/Nose man I've ever heard of. Yeah, it's got me looking sideways as well. Kid is 6'0" and is down to 190. Very quick first step. Got doubles and tripled a couple of times at our camp. Squats 460, bench's 200, cleans 200. Much quicker than any of the other DL (larger, fatter). But then he's been running the option for 3 years, passes darn well, and makes great decisions. I've had a lot of folks say they've had QB's play LB and/or Safety, or Corner, but not DL, especially nose. Should be an interesting year. Thanks for all the comments, and please keep them coming. Casey |
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Post by buchananm on Jul 23, 2007 16:33:13 GMT -6
darebelcoach: I'm in a very similar situation as well. Have you given the thought that some of the close games you lost were close in the 4th quarter because you had this particular athlete in most the game anyway? I don't know about you, but our QB is a game changer on defense as well. We just can't afford to take him off defense and anyways he wouldn't want to be taken off. I'm just in prayer most of the game that he doesn't get injured.
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Post by darebelcoach on Jul 23, 2007 18:59:40 GMT -6
Buchananm....I agree, our Qb was some of the reason that we were in close games...that and my UNBELIEVABLE play calling (just joking), but thankfully, this year we have some good talent at the cornerback and safety position, so using my QB sparingly on defense won't be a huge problem, whereas last year it was a bigger hill to climb. Also, he is the motor that makes our offense go, and I would hate to see him seperate a shoulder coming up to make a tackle on a sweep or something, especially since he is getting looked at by some schools for the QB position. I think everyone is right on target though, when they say that your best players need to play..there are always situations (hopefully) when you can find a chance to rest him (or them) for a couple snaps here or there.
Good luck everyone in the upcoming season!!!
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Post by CVBears on Jul 23, 2007 23:37:53 GMT -6
Our QB could easily start both ways as he is probably the best athlete on the team. Not a chance in h@ll that he is going to play defense. There's no doubt in my mind that he would have a few picks for six if he played at db. How many times does that happen though? How many more opportunities is he going to have to make big plays for us as a QB? No reason to have him play def
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Post by tog on Jul 24, 2007 22:01:32 GMT -6
one of the best high school qb's i ever coached against now playing wr at ut, played qb and free safety, they spot rested him on defense some, but he was in there when it counted
i think it is proportional---the greater the athlete vs the lesser the talent around him the more he needs to be out there
this ratio gets even worse the smaller numbers you have classification wise or just program wise
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Post by PSS on Jul 24, 2007 22:37:30 GMT -6
Watched Vince Young play both sides of the ball in high school. In fact if I'm not mistaken, his senior year run in the playoffs the couple of games I watched he rarely left the field.
In most places I've been the QB's were our backup FS and vice-versa. In 2004 our starting QB got hurt so the FS played both ways for 4 games. QB is now starting at Tulane at corner and the FS is starting at FS at a D-1AA school here in Texas.
As Tog was saying the quantity and ability of the athletes around the QB will often dictate whether he has to play on both sides of the ball, even in a spot play roll.
When the game is on the line, don't you want your best athletes on the field?
I think that's a question that you have to ask.
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Post by dacoachmo on Jul 25, 2007 10:10:46 GMT -6
If you can move both back...to free safety and LB. less pounding and possibility of a injury from a cutting OL.
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Post by hsrose on Jul 25, 2007 13:45:55 GMT -6
The Sr. qb could easily play S/LB, played DE all last season. The Jr. QB could play LB but has never played a down of defense until this past camp (either in a platoon league or 1-way QB). While I think he could play LB, he would be starting from scratch and would have a learning curve. By the way, the Jr. will be 15 for our first 3 games so I also have "brain overload" to consider.
So, the question becomes - better to have him at LB where he will become a good defender in time, or at DL where he can cause problems now and possibly move him to LB next year?
I'd hate to put him in position to fail when it is not his fault. Then again, I'm not a defensive-minded person so I very likely have no idea about the defense and how he could adjust.
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Post by CoachDaniel on Jul 26, 2007 21:04:00 GMT -6
An interesting point was made to me last night on this. Our QB is one of the best defensive players we have, and we don't have loads of talent. Thought about OLB (we're a 3-5 so this is the spur/bandit) and the point was made that teams would just crack him to death...
He could play FS too but I'd rather have him at the weak OLB. He's tough, and at FS he'd be heavily involved in the run game too, maybe more. Any thoughts? Are these legit concerns?
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Post by dacoachmo on Jul 27, 2007 6:36:57 GMT -6
If the plan is to move him to LB then have him learn the position NOW, so he won't have to learn again next year. also he may be a load by time playoffs roll around.
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Post by hsrose on Jul 27, 2007 8:11:17 GMT -6
Our staff still hasn't meshed so I don't know what the defensive thoughts are for the Jr. QB. The Sr. QB is a lock for LB. The Jr. QB is too good to leave off the defense.
We have a new HC who brought in some new staff. They are all from our rival school so us returning coaches have blue shorts and they still have black and orange shorts. We'll get together but right now, I have no idea where they think he can play, only that he did well as the nose.
The offense is my call and the defense belongs to the new DC.
Should be a fun year.
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