clloyd
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Post by clloyd on Feb 5, 2007 21:13:50 GMT -6
How does you state break up the different size schools? Can you be in a division or conference with different size schools but compete against schools from other conferences that are the same size for the state title. Are you in the playoffs automatically or is there a point system or automatic birth that is used? Just curious to see what the different states are doing. thanks
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Post by coachjaz on Feb 5, 2007 21:52:51 GMT -6
1A,2A,3A,4AII,4AI,5AII,5AI
They are realigning the state to get teams of like size in the same conference
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Post by dubber on Feb 5, 2007 21:53:07 GMT -6
In Indiana:
5 classes (6 if you count Warren Central----they are a class by themselves)
Conferences are made up different class sized schools. We are 1A (smallest) and play some 3A schools in our conference.
Everyone makes the playoffs, everyone plays in their class system. 5 state champs every year in the different classes.
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Post by realdawg on Feb 6, 2007 8:40:41 GMT -6
In the regular season NC has 1A-4A, but for the playoffs they subdivide each division so you have 8 state champs
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Post by fbdoc on Feb 6, 2007 8:56:57 GMT -6
Florida has 6 classes divided by enrollment with approximately 80 schools per level in classes 1A, 2A, ... up to 6A.
1A and 2A are the smallest, and are actually cut in half to form 1A and 1B (the smallest schools) and 2A and 2B. The state went this route 2 years ago in responce to the request to allow more teams in the playoffs from the lower divisions. We have 2 more years in the present system.
We are the 2nd smallest 1A school in the state (about 240 in our grades 9-12) and it's our luck that 3 of the top 4 schools in 1A happen to be in our district!
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Post by redandwhite on Feb 6, 2007 10:05:44 GMT -6
Minnesota uses tgop three grades for enrollment, but will be switching to top four next year. Current three grade breakdown is as follows: 5A - 1100 and above (biggest school is about 2700) 4A - 550 -1099 (Both 5A and 4A have about 60 schools) 9 Man - under 140 (A number of schools opt up to play 11 man) 1A, 2A, 3A - equally divide the number of schools remaining (I believe each class is around 70 schools) Each class is divided into 8 Sections All 4A and 5A schools play in sections, with some sections having byes built in. 64 schools in other classes make section playoffs. 8 Regular Season games, 2 or 3 section games, 3 state tournament games - Finalists play 13 or 14 games.
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Post by mitch on Feb 6, 2007 10:11:37 GMT -6
Oklahoma -
Top 32 in enrollment make up 6A Next 32 - 5A Same for 4A and 3A Next 64 make up 2A Everybody else makes up A - I think this year it had 68
Each class is broken down into districts, top four teams from each district make the playoffs. You can play schools from a different class in your non-district games, but they have no bearing on the playoffs. They go by district records only.
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Post by wingtol on Feb 6, 2007 10:21:54 GMT -6
PA
4 Classes- AAAA, AAA, AA, A by male enrollment 9-11 every two years.
There are 12 Districts now I believe. Each District has playoffs(which are all done diffrently). District winners move to inner-district. Sate is divided into east/west for inner-districts with the east west winners meeting in the state championship
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Post by dragon on Feb 6, 2007 10:45:00 GMT -6
MI
For the most part conferences have similar sized schools, there aren't huge gaps with a school of 2,000 playing a school with 500 on a regular basis, at least that I am aware of.
Playoffs: 8 Divisions (1-Largest, 8-Smallest)
Top 256 Teams make the playoffs: -6 Wins (out of 9 games) and you are automatically in (5 if you only play 8 games). -To fill rest of field the best 5-4 teams are selected (using a playoff point system which I'm not gonna explain) -256 teams are divided into 8 divisions. -Largest 32 schools are Division 1, and that goes on down the line to Division 8. -Districts and regions are divided up by geographic location as best as possible, with the playoff point system deciding who gets home field advantage through the first three rounds. -All of this means there are 8 State Champs crowned over Thanksgiving Weekend.
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Post by stone65 on Feb 6, 2007 13:07:00 GMT -6
Alabama has 6 classes. Each Team is in an 8-team region in their classification. Each Team will play 7 region games and 3 non-region games each year. In the non-region games your team can play any school in the state regardless of the classification.
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Post by stackattack on Feb 6, 2007 14:17:46 GMT -6
Ohio - 6 divisions:
D I - Largest enrollment D II D III D IV D V D VI
Each division is broken into 4 different regions. Each region sends 8 into the playoffs based on a computer formula that awards points based on strength of schedule, wins (more points for beating teams in a division higher than yours), and opponent's wins. Win your region, and then you face the champion of another region, win that and you are in the state title game.
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Post by djwesp on Feb 7, 2007 12:59:37 GMT -6
Arkansas 7A- Top 16 "Super Schools" 6A- Next 16 Schools by size 5A- Next 32 Schools by size 4A- Next 48 3A- Next 61 (some of which don't play football) 2A- Next 60 (some of which don't play football) 1A schools do not play football, some of the privates and a few of the publics don't play football in the bottom two classes. Schools use enrollment 10-12 to determine school size. Private schools enrollment is multiplied by 1.75 to determine competative enrollment. State championships in 2A-7A. 10 game schedule, first 3 are non-conference and have no bearing on the placement of the teams at any other point in the season (so people play some pretty crazy game, since they don't get docked for it). Playoff format looks like this... www.ahsaa.org/2006%20FB%20Playoff%20Guide.pdf
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Post by wingtol on Feb 7, 2007 13:35:03 GMT -6
Not to ruffle any feathers on here but......
If I am reading this correct and this is no ones fault on here but some sates crown a state champion from a pool of 16 or 32 schools, is that how many make the playoffs or is that how many are in the classification in the whole state? I am a bit confused by that.
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Post by mitch on Feb 7, 2007 13:47:26 GMT -6
In Oklahoma 6A-3A have 32 teams total, 16 of which make the playoffs. 2A has 64 teams total, 32 of which make the playoffs. A fluctuates on how many teams it has ( somewhere between 64 and 70), 32 make the playoffs.
We also have two 8-man classes, 32 in each, 16 make the playoffs.
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Post by djwesp on Feb 7, 2007 13:50:11 GMT -6
Not to ruffle any feathers on here but...... If I am reading this correct and this is no ones fault on here but some sates crown a state champion from a pool of 16 or 32 schools, is that how many make the playoffs or is that how many are in the classification in the whole state? I am a bit confused by that. No ruffled feathers here. Our largest classification used to have 32 schools. There was 16 out of 32 that made the playoffs. This was our 5A. Because of the growth in Northwest Arkansas, so much faster than the rest of the state, they ended up having to split the top classification into 2. Rogers High School, with almost 3,000 (probably more now) students, was in the same classification as Searcy with 748. Now that the top classification has been divided in two 8 of 16 make the post season, with the champion being determined from that. They are pushing for either a 6/7A overall champion or making the 6A a 32 team league instead of 16 (to the anger of the 5A upper half).
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Post by wingtol on Feb 7, 2007 13:58:43 GMT -6
Thanks for clearing that up. I would think they would want to figure out a way to re-classify some of those divisions. 16 teams playing for a state championship, while winning one is great, just doesn't seem to be a great reflection on the state association.
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Post by Mav on Feb 7, 2007 14:59:59 GMT -6
Massachusetts - 2 regions - Eastern and Western (considered completely separate)
Divisions - from the largest school pop. to the smallest - 1, 1a, 2, 2a, 3, 3a, 4, 4a Each division has 4 leagues/conferences of about 8-10 teams. Only the winner of each league goes to a playoff game against the winner of another league in the same division. The 2 winners of each playoff game go to the Superbowl for that division. It's a fairly simple method -- win your league and you go to the playoffs. We play 10-11 games per season. If you're in a league with only 7-8 intra-league opponnents, you can play any team in any division. For 3-way ties breakers, some leagues use a point system based on 'out of league' games played and other leagues have the team who hasn't been to the playoffs recently, get the playoff bid.
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Post by juice10 on Feb 7, 2007 15:09:30 GMT -6
Wisconsin is broken down into 7 divisions and 32 teams making up each division with: Division 1 = Largest school Div 2 Div3 Div 4 Div 5 Div 6 Div 7 = smallest school
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clloyd
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Post by clloyd on Feb 7, 2007 18:00:25 GMT -6
I appreciate all of the responses to this question. But when do you guys start playing your games and when is the championship game. If we did this we would still be playing in the middle of December???
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Post by coachdawhip on Feb 7, 2007 18:10:52 GMT -6
3 weekend in December is state championship game.
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Post by stackattack on Feb 7, 2007 20:42:48 GMT -6
I appreciate all of the responses to this question. But when do you guys start playing your games and when is the championship game. If we did this we would still be playing in the middle of December??? Usually the first weekend in December is the state title game in Ohio.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Feb 7, 2007 20:47:24 GMT -6
Not to ruffle any feathers on here but......
If I am reading this correct and this is no ones fault on here but some sates crown a state champion from a pool of 16 or 32 schools, is that how many make the playoffs or is that how many are in the classification in the whole state? I am a bit confused by that.
When I was in Wyoming we had: 4A 10 schools 3A 10 schools 2A 12 Schools 1A (big class) 16 8 teams made the playoffs per class 9 man had 8 schools (4 in playoffs). 9-man was discontinued many years ago.
Years ago (in Wyo.) we had a 3 way tie for the last 2 playoff spots in our division (or 3 way tie for last). We all met in a central location. We were odd man out on the flip... so team A played team B for one half. Team A won... they got the #3 seed. 2nd half, we played Team B, won and were #4 seed. This was on a Tuesday. Saturday we traveled across the state (about 370 miles) to play the #1 from the East. We lost a nailbiter...46-6.
South Dakota AA (largest) has 17 in the class, 16 make the playoffs.
Here in Nebraska we have: Class A (largest) top 28 enrollment Class B next 32 Class C remaining 11 man split in to 2 divisions (about 130 schools, 65 per class: C1 and C2) Class D 8 man schools split in to 2 divisions... about 140 schools/ 70 per class- D1 and D2 There are also 11 schools that play 6 man, which is not sanctioned, but they do run their own playoff system.
The 6 sanctioned classes play the Championship at the U of Nebraska.
We play playoff games every 5 days (between first round and 2nd we get 6 days): Thursday- Wednesday, Monday- Saturday- Thurs./Fri or Sat
Class A and B take 16 to the playoffs. Classes C and D take 32 (took 16 until 2002). Our playoff run in the smaller classes meant a bit more when 16/60-70 made it. However, they could take 68 next year and we might be watching from the outside.
In the future they plan on expanding Class A to 32, Class B to 40. Class D may be 1 division at that point (probably 120+ schools).
Also: we reclassify every two years (even years). Seems we get a lot more school consolidations in the odd years (double enrollment, keep the same class, schedule and same district).
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Post by coachmoore42 on Feb 7, 2007 21:52:24 GMT -6
Georgia
Public Schools. Five Classifications (A, AA, AAA, AAAA, AAAAA), by size. Each classification has eight regions (larger regions divide into sub-regions). A region consists of only those in the same classification, but you can schedule anyone after region schedule has been done. Playoff teams are the top four in each region (32 for each classification, 160 state-wide). Most regions have about 8 teams. Some have as many as 13. Biggest joke is when a region has only 4 or 5.
Ex: Region 6-A used to have 4 teams. They could go 0-10 and be in the playoffs. Didn't usually happen that way, but many 1-9, 2-8 playoff teams came from there. Now they have five, usually one or two are competitive in the playoffs, but they only have to win one region game to get in.
Other than that it's a pretty good system, most areas have good representation and usually you know exactly who you have to beat to get in.
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Post by airman on Feb 7, 2007 22:02:20 GMT -6
wisconsin takes the 32 largest schools which qualify for the playoffs and they are d 1. they do the same with the next divison. some schools play in a d1 population confrence but when playoffs come, they drop down to d2 because of the number of teams which qualify.
the city of milwaukee is what can throw off the playoffs.
wiscosin has a insane playoff structure. you play your final game on thurdays night, then the following tuesay you play your first playoff game and then you play agian the next saturday. you play about every 5 days in wisconsin.
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Post by mitch on Feb 8, 2007 9:23:21 GMT -6
6A - 3A in Oklahoma, championship is first weekend of December.
A and 2A is the second weekend.
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Post by wingtol on Feb 8, 2007 10:06:36 GMT -6
I think the PA championships were the weekend of Dec 15 this year. One team if I am correct played 16 games this year. Games are played at Hershey PA which is a neat tradition since when you win to make it to the state game the fans usually throw hershey kisses all over the field. As the head coach when we made the title games in 99-00 use to say (and he is a largeman) "I wanna live the fat mans dream and have all that chocolate raining down on me at the end of the game!"
So let me also ask this question.....In which states, number wise, is it hardest to win a state championship? For ex. in PA there are 570+ teams trying to win 4 titles. Each of the 4 classes has about 140 schools give or take. Also would you rather have more or less titles in your state?
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Post by hsrose on Feb 8, 2007 10:33:18 GMT -6
According to the California Interscholastic Federation (CIF) web site there are 1,019 schools that play football divided into 10 sections. The breakdown is below.
Now, each section basically does it’s own thing. The seasons are either 9 or 10 week regular season, with 4-5 weeks of playoffs. The leagues are not segregated by school size or classification, so in our league of 7 teams there is 1-2A, 4-3A, and 2-4A school. The smallest is 1,500, the largest is 4,000.
IN OUR SECTION (and I would think in other sections) - Our section has A-2A-3A-4A, A is smallest, levels by school enrollment. League champs are an automatic playoff slot. If we are not the league champs then we have to petition/appear in front of the classification seeding committee meeting and explain why we should get in and where we should be seeded. Within our section, the NCS, there are 2 sub-sections – East Bay (us) and Redwood Empire. In our sub-section there are 16 3A and 16 4A schools, 8 get into the 3A and 8 into the 4A playoffs. De La Salle is in the 4A. The Redwood Empire doesn’t have any 4A schools so the 4A playoffs have a bye the week before their championship so that all the section championships are the same weekend.
After all the section playoffs are done then there is another committee meeting to determine which teams will represent the North and South sections. There are 3 levels which are tied to enrollment, but that don’t match to our section levels. So a team may play in 3A for section, but be large school for state and have no chance of going to state because De La Salle/Grant/others are larger.
State.Section ......Section......No..Schools...Enrollment North.Schools...............412.........578,851. ......Central.Coast......90........145,432. ......North.Coast.......116........152,480. ......Northern...........52.........32,891. ......Oakland.............6..........9,282. ......Sac-Joaquin.......140........223,197. ......San.Francisco.......8.........15,569. .................. Southern.Schools............607.......1,234,560. ......Central............85........131,666. ......LA.City............51........184,808. ......San.Diego..........87........151,958. ......Southern..........384........766,128. .................. Grand.Total............1,019.......1,813,411
It’s fun.
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Post by 20x on Feb 8, 2007 15:41:48 GMT -6
Iowa
Top 48 schools in enrollment play in 4A, some Catholic schools petition to play up a class or two so that will knock some schools down to 3A.
Next 64 go to 3A, next 64 to 2A, 64 to 1A. The next 72 go to Class A. Eight man had 56 schools last year. 4A is on points system to qualify for the playoff, conference champion gets automatic bid. Sioux City East got into the playoff this past year at 5-4, coming out of a 5 team conference.
The rest of the classes are divided into 8 districts, top 2 in each district make the playoffs, making 16 playoff teams per class.
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