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Post by 4verts on Jun 28, 2013 13:02:09 GMT -6
Again to your claim I say no sh!t, how else could you become a college coach? Entry level(GA), Work your way up(lower levels) or be a successful HS coach.
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Post by 4verts on Jun 28, 2013 12:59:54 GMT -6
Can I ask you what other scenario is there where someone could possibly become a college coach? Also could you give specific proof and percentages to support your assertion.
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Post by 4verts on Jun 28, 2013 12:53:14 GMT -6
So do you have to have qualifiers for proof? If you are saying you can't be an assistant at Podunk HS in Alaska and be the LB's coach at Penn State, you are right. You have problem with using proof in an argument? The proof I issued was not quite good enough for your standard. I guess you win. It is impossible for a HS coach to make it college football. You are correct, except for all the people that got those jobs this year and the year prior and the year prior. I think it was probably a huge deal that South Alabama hired their DC because he was a GA for Mike Dubose over a decade prior to his hire. Then he proceeded to hire another HS coach to be an assistant. The QB's coach on the same staff came direct from the HS ranks. The HC was a long time HS head coach. That staff alone disproves your theory. You are saying that someone who never played football and coaches safties at HS in nowheresville has a tough chance of making it to the college level, well no sh!t.
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Post by 4verts on Jun 28, 2013 12:40:37 GMT -6
My point is that it is rare for someone coming from a lower level of play to go into a major role of responsibility at a higher level. To me this is the reason you see so few go straight to D1, but several transition to lower levels of college football and work their way up. What is one reason for making a middle school position coach a varsity level coach? To get more players. That is the major reason guys go straight to D1. If you look at 1AA level Jacksonville State's new staff is comprised of several HS coaches. The defensive coordinator at South Alabama is about three years removed from being the DC at Hoover. This happens a lot more than I believe you are realizing. Is it hard? Yes. Does it happen every year? Yes. Here's the DC's info. Think having GA'ed at Bama helped? The Sherrer File Born: March 19, 1973, in Oneonta, Ala. Education: Alabama ’96, bachelor’s degree in physical education Alabama ’00, master’s degree in higher education administration Collegiate Playing Experience: Three years, tight end, Alabama Coaching Experience: Tuscaloosa County (Ala.) High — assistant coach, 1996-97 Alabama — graduate assistant, 1998-00 Spain Park (Ala.) High — assistant coach, 2001-04 Hoover (Ala.) High — assistant coach, 2005-09 Alabama — director of player development, 2010-12 South Alabama — assistant coach, 2013- Family: Wife, Carrie; Two sons, Kaleb (12) and Kyle (12) So do you have to have qualifiers for proof? If you are saying you can't be an assistant at Podunk HS in Alaska and be the LB's coach at Penn State, you are right. But I also don't see many DC's hired in D1 football because of their GA experience over a decade prior.
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Post by 4verts on Jun 28, 2013 12:38:06 GMT -6
Agree those are the best ways. What other way is there? The last time we had this conversation you said that it doesn't happen very often. I disagree. It happens quite often every year and is increasing each year.
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Post by 4verts on Jun 28, 2013 12:27:24 GMT -6
My point is that it is rare for someone coming from a lower level of play to go into a major role of responsibility at a higher level. To me this is the reason you see so few go straight to D1, but several transition to lower levels of college football and work their way up. What is one reason for making a middle school position coach a varsity level coach? To get more players. That is the major reason guys go straight to D1. If you look at 1AA level Jacksonville State's new staff is comprised of several HS coaches. The defensive coordinator at South Alabama is about three years removed from being the DC at Hoover.
This happens a lot more than I believe you are realizing. Is it hard? Yes. Does it happen every year? Yes.
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Post by 4verts on Jun 28, 2013 12:14:15 GMT -6
How common is it for a middle school position coach to move up to varsity coordinator or HC in your area?
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Post by 4verts on Jun 28, 2013 12:11:24 GMT -6
There were two HS coaches hired today at four year universities. One to Toledo and another as a position coach at a D2. My point is that it is not as uncommon as some make it. The guy at Arkansas had been a GA before, but no full time experience.
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Post by 4verts on Jun 28, 2013 12:02:06 GMT -6
Yea it is very tough to go from HS to D1. Several go to lower levels every year. The guy going to Arkansas and Troy were OC's at their last HS post.
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Post by 4verts on Jun 28, 2013 9:57:34 GMT -6
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Post by 4verts on Jun 14, 2013 13:19:03 GMT -6
What do these services charge? If it's cheap it might be worth it, but I would agree that they're not worth a ton of money. From my understanding they are definitely not cheap.
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Post by 4verts on Jun 14, 2013 12:59:20 GMT -6
We used the service for walk-ons/numbers, so they got no money. We generally used this after signing day when all the $$$ was gone. These services make walk-on recruiting easier for smaller schools, but do not come close to the promises they make the kids. Bad investment from an athlete's point-of-view. That is what I suspected, and where I was going with it. Sounds like these services don't really do much that a kid/family can't do relatively easily with the web The best players on these services are often added free of charge, so that these services can claim scholarship rates. I've come across several players that are listed as top 10 nationally at their position on rivals or scout and are committed to SEC university. Guys like that don't pay, but are used to get the D3 kid to pony up the money. There are several kids on there that do get some money from smaller schools, but most that I've run across are definite D3 kids that are not going to get money regardless. I will give NCSA one thing, they email you constantly with prospects. Depending on the time of year, may receive 50 emails from NCSA with kids highlight film.
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Post by 4verts on Jun 14, 2013 12:44:17 GMT -6
At the programs I've worked at, we used NCSA to find walk-on/numbers. May I ask the same question of you? What did those players get out of it... other than the opportunity to play ball at those schools? We used the service for walk-ons/numbers, so they got no money. We generally used this after signing day when all the $$$ was gone. These services make walk-on recruiting easier for smaller schools, but do not come close to the promises they make the kids. Bad investment from an athlete's point-of-view.
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Post by 4verts on Jun 14, 2013 11:31:05 GMT -6
At the programs I've worked at, we used NCSA to find walk-on/numbers.
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Post by 4verts on Jun 5, 2013 17:14:45 GMT -6
George Quarles, Maryville (TN) High School
Pat Fitzgerald, Northwestern
The Shanahan's
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Post by 4verts on May 28, 2013 15:28:03 GMT -6
Just ask where the kid stands
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Post by 4verts on May 20, 2013 10:46:29 GMT -6
Mike Jinks--Texas Tech Jim Dye--Troy Jabbar Juluke--LA Tech These are just a few that I remember from the last cycle Thanks. Hope you don't think I was arguing with you. I just couldn't think of any off-hand. Yea no problem. I've had this conversation before with a few people. I don't have numbers, but just from reading footballscoop over the last couple years it does seem that quite a few new hires are bringing on local HS coaches. I know that Kennesaw State just added a local HS coach to their new program as well.
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Post by 4verts on May 20, 2013 8:06:14 GMT -6
If you go back and look at a lot of the recent hires the last year or two, especially in the south, each time a staff is filled out there is often at least one high school coach that is brought on. Really? Can you give some examples? I can't really think of any. Mike Jinks--Texas Tech Jim Dye--Troy Jabbar Juluke--LA Tech These are just a few that I remember from the last cycle
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Post by 4verts on May 18, 2013 11:37:16 GMT -6
If you go back and look at a lot of the recent hires the last year or two, especially in the south, each time a staff is filled out there is often at least one high school coach that is brought on.
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Post by 4verts on May 7, 2013 16:30:25 GMT -6
I will say that I have never heard an offensive coach tell an offense to just run "base"
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Post by 4verts on May 1, 2013 21:35:46 GMT -6
Diggin ditches and smackin b!tches
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Post by 4verts on Apr 24, 2013 15:38:09 GMT -6
If the other team has more talent aren't they still better on 4th down? Yes. They are also better on 1st down, on special teams, when they have the ball and any other situation. Their are several different questions here though: - What are the odds you convert. - What are the odds that your conversion increases your probability of winning (are you going to score? shorten the game?) - How likely are they to score if they were to take over the ball at the current spot? - How likely are they to return the punt? Block it? Where do you expect them to take possession on a punt. - How likely are they to score from their expected starting field position? What is the difference between that spot and the current spot? If a team is going to hang 50 on you, it probably doesn't matter where they take the ball. If a team will struggle to get two scores, field position matters a great deal. I agree with this. If they are better on 4th, than they are better on every other down and every other phase, you have two options: Quit or take some chances. Does this mean go for it on your own 20? I don't think so. But when you hit the -40 against a superior opponent I believe you have to start to take these questions under consideration.
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Post by 4verts on Apr 1, 2013 9:45:59 GMT -6
You tell the kid, parents, and coach exactly where they stand. If they are 2nd on the board you tell them that. It doesn't mean that you aren't interested in the kid. Explain this to all parties involved. In FBS this is an evaluation on talent, potential and need. At lower levels this situation may be different. Both players may be exactly the same, but one player gets more pell grant and has better grades, therefore costing you less money for the same calibur player. Each case is different, and should be treated with honesty. Recruiting is a tough deal for all parties. There is an immediate need that has to be filled, but there are definte future relations that have to be taken in to account. People remember everything when it comes to recruiting. I may be looking for a kid for $5,000 at a D2 this year. If I screw this kid, I may not feel the immediate effect. Now in ten years I'm at Alabama, and I go after that 5 star and his HS coach happens to be the same as the kid I screwed over a decade ago. That is a road block that I have created that has to be overcome, and I have to go back and tell Nick Saban why.
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Post by 4verts on Mar 31, 2013 19:03:08 GMT -6
Coach-- i believe he is saying that for those teachers who don't teach a course with an EOC test... 65% of a teacher's evaluation is based on overall school performance... Exactly. I currently teach world geography which isn't tested so the majority of my teacher evaluation is tied to the schools scores. I'm also questioning a girls basketball coach making 100+ in the metro nashville area unless they are a principal, not saying impossible just highly doubting it. I know there are a few HFCs pulling in that kind of money in TN in general particularly the privates around Nashville but the only publics I have heard of that are out in East TN. Either way, a ton of money. My old HS coach in East TN makes 100K +. He has also won 180 games and nine state championships since '99, as well as being the AD and having an EDs. The salary doesn't count playoff bonus, which he has taken full advantage of. They have been in the state championship game every year but two since '99
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Post by 4verts on Mar 31, 2013 18:46:10 GMT -6
Coach-- i believe he is saying that for those teachers who don't teach a course with an EOC test... 65% of a teacher's evaluation is based on overall school performance... Exactly. That's Tennessee's current model. That's part of the reason I took a 30K pay cut to get into college football.
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Post by 4verts on Mar 29, 2013 9:25:29 GMT -6
Be honest
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Post by 4verts on Mar 21, 2013 17:00:18 GMT -6
I've made 3k no benefits or housing, 14k benefits and housing, 50k benefits, housing and one free meal per day. State schools will generally pay better than private schools.
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Post by 4verts on Mar 18, 2013 1:23:47 GMT -6
To what extent do you use analytics in your program? Offensively, Defensively, Special Teams, Clock/Game Management, Practice setup, Installations, Training, Recruitment/Retention, Staffing, etc...
Interested in any and all ways you use numbers/data to help you in running your program.
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Post by 4verts on Feb 27, 2013 23:02:51 GMT -6
All of these guys you are going to see are great guys. Rob Likens (WR) is absolutely an amazing guy!
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Post by 4verts on Oct 1, 2012 11:38:07 GMT -6
To me, onside kicking everytime is not going to fix your problem. Your problem is your defense. IMO you should work on that. You obviously have the jimmys if you're scoring 83 points in a game. Get them on defense!! I'm going to piggyback on this and say yes you should work on defense. Make those guys be much bigger and stronger in the next 3 days and you will start stopping people. C'mon...At this point in the season you are trying to put a bandaid on the situation and win games. Make philosophical decisions in the off season. Correct your faults on defense, if it is coaching/scheme, in the off-season. Six or seven weeks in is not the time to change any scheme.
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