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Post by John Knight on Mar 21, 2013 9:04:54 GMT -6
Someone was asking this on this forum and it is really unbelievable how low some of these salaries are. Dakota State (NAIA -SD): Dakota State University is looking for a Defensive Line Football coach, Throwing Coach for Track, and Equipment Manager. Responsibilities include practice / game preparation, recruiting, summer camps, equipment, video breakdown and other duties as assigned by the Head Football and Track coach. Bachelor’s degree required, and those with college coaching and/or playing on the defensive line in college, as well as coaching and/or throwing shot put and discus in college track preferred. Salary is $17,000 on a 9-month contract with no teaching duties. Position will Close on Monday March 25. Interested candidates need to go to this link to apply. Please apply for the "Assistant football coach and throwing for track" position. DO NOT email or contact the head football or track coaches.
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Post by spos21ram on Mar 21, 2013 9:43:24 GMT -6
I made 2k as a RB coach at the D3 level. Pennies per hour. Job was roughly 30 hours a week.
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Post by davishfc on Mar 21, 2013 9:58:45 GMT -6
I don't know how programs ever expect to bring on experienced assistant coaches. Let's face it, nobody except somebody right out of college or fresh off a GA gig would even consider that.
Why would a teacher/coach give up what they earn in public schools to make that money. I'm betting, like most of those positions, there is no housing or meal plan either. It's a college campus and they don't provide those essentials. Wow!
Football is great but when you've had a taste of coaching and you're still able to make money, it's tough to turn away from. So I guess those colleges should continue to be pleased with inexperienced coaches on their staffs for that type of compensation.
Bottom line...you've got to live. With a salary (if that's what you want to call it) like that and unbelievable hours to boot, when will you possibly find time to panhandle?
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Post by John Knight on Mar 21, 2013 10:38:16 GMT -6
I can stand it when I retire I guess but only if I lived near the school.
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Post by spos21ram on Mar 21, 2013 11:01:15 GMT -6
I was a 5th year student. No eligibility left. That's the only reason I accepted the job. Only other way you can doit is if you're a teacher or have a job the same hours as a teacher. But That's so looong hours on too of a full time job.
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Post by Chris Clement on Mar 21, 2013 11:02:55 GMT -6
I'm set to make exactly $0 next season.
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Post by cqmiller on Mar 21, 2013 11:03:53 GMT -6
I am telling you right now... if I were to get that job, I would cut my pay in 1/2, but if it is true about only having a 30 hour work week, I would cut my work to 1/4.
1/2 divided by 1/4 = Double my salary per hour
I would definitely look at it. Getting rid of the headache of teaching would be worth a lot of money to me at this point. Our district is using their 10th grade biology scores to compare them to their 11th grad chemistry scores to rate me as a teacher... That is like using a "hold your breath under water" test to gauge how good a football player will be. Completely unrelated!!!
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Post by coachorm on Mar 21, 2013 11:16:52 GMT -6
Have to agree with cqmiller.... This is 17k to coach WITHOUT teaching responsibilities. And yeah I know their is recruiting responsibilities but that could be as simple as making calls or maybe traveling to a school and usually schools have a recruiting budget so travel and meals would probably be covered. Its not the greatest paying job but looks like one of those get your foot in the door jobs and hope for something bigger comes along later. For me it wouldn't work cause I have a family and cutting my salary that much would not work. However if I was single and no family I would probably have major interest. Especially knowing how teacher observations are done now and the way they seem to be going.
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Post by davishfc on Mar 21, 2013 11:21:55 GMT -6
I'm set to make exactly $0 next season. How do you make your living? I'm talking about those guys that work a coaching job that is a full time job and get paid some kind of stipend. How else can you afford Aviators like the ones in your picture? LOL!
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Post by davishfc on Mar 21, 2013 11:29:40 GMT -6
Getting rid of the headache of teaching would be worth a lot of money to me at this point. Our district is using their 10th grade biology scores to compare them to their 11th grad chemistry scores to rate me as a teacher. I've heard some crazy ones before about the direction education is heading. But that's easily top 5. Not even close to related. Did you win this past fall?
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Post by davishfc on Mar 21, 2013 11:50:13 GMT -6
However if I was single and no family I would probably have major interest. Right. Wouldn't we all. But the question needs to be "can a married, with a family, experienced coach at the high school level break into college coaching without it being such a huge hit financially?" I want to believe there's a possibility. I feel like there are benefits to having a coach who is looking long term as opposed to just rotating through guys trying to climb the ladder as quickly as possible. Plus, that would bring continuity to the coaching staff which is always important. But if it's always a situation where coaching jobs are outsourced to the lowest bidder (the single) then there will always be a section of the staff that is relatively inexperienced in terms of coaching at any level...youth, high school, or college. They may have just got done playing but coaching is somewhat different. Wouldn't a college head coach want the most experienced, committed, and competent staff he could put together? Or is a guy trying to work his way up the ladder more of a "yes man" for the head coach? And is that what he wants? Just a thought.
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Post by fantom on Mar 21, 2013 11:52:06 GMT -6
However if I was single and no family I would probably have major interest. Right. Wouldn't we all. But the question needs to be "can a married, with a family, experienced coach at the high school level break into college coaching without it being such a huge hit financially?" I want to believe there's a possibility. I feel like there are benefits to having a coach who is looking long term as opposed to just rotating through guys trying to climb the ladder as quickly as possible. Plus, that would bring continuity to the coaching staff which is always important. But if it's always a situation where coaching jobs are outsourced to the lowest bidder (the single) then there will always be a section of the staff that is relatively inexperienced in terms of coaching at any level...youth, high school, or college. They may have just got done playing but coaching is somewhat different. Wouldn't a college head coach want the most experienced, committed, and competent staff he could put together? Or is a guy trying to work his way up the ladder more of a "yes man" for the head coach? And is that what he wants? Just a thought. Don't you think they would if they could afford it?
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Post by davishfc on Mar 21, 2013 12:03:07 GMT -6
Right. Wouldn't we all. But the question needs to be "can a married, with a family, experienced coach at the high school level break into college coaching without it being such a huge hit financially?" I want to believe there's a possibility. I feel like there are benefits to having a coach who is looking long term as opposed to just rotating through guys trying to climb the ladder as quickly as possible. Plus, that would bring continuity to the coaching staff which is always important. But if it's always a situation where coaching jobs are outsourced to the lowest bidder (the single) then there will always be a section of the staff that is relatively inexperienced in terms of coaching at any level...youth, high school, or college. They may have just got done playing but coaching is somewhat different. Wouldn't a college head coach want the most experienced, committed, and competent staff he could put together? Or is a guy trying to work his way up the ladder more of a "yes man" for the head coach? And is that what he wants? Just a thought. Don't you think they would if they could afford it? What do you mean? The high school coach affording the move to college? Or the college head coach affording the experienced coach on his staff?
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Post by fantom on Mar 21, 2013 12:11:25 GMT -6
Don't you think they would if they could afford it? What do you mean? The high school coach affording the move to college? Or the college head coach affording the experienced coach on his staff? The college. Don't you think they'd pay better if they could afford to?
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Post by davishfc on Mar 21, 2013 12:14:26 GMT -6
What do you mean? The high school coach affording the move to college? Or the college head coach affording the experienced coach on his staff? The college. Don't you think they'd pay better if they could afford to? College tuition is certainly NOT at historic lows. So maybe they should investigate what's happening with all the money? Somebody or some people on campus are over paid and the help is not as well compensated as a result.
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Post by fantom on Mar 21, 2013 12:18:40 GMT -6
The college. Don't you think they'd pay better if they could afford to? College tuition is certainly NOT at historic lows. So maybe they should investigate what's happening with all the money? Somebody or some people on campus are over paid and the help is not as well compensated as a result. Dakota State, the school in the OP, has a student body of 2800. Here are their facilities: www.dsuathletics.com/facilities.aspx
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Post by Chris Clement on Mar 21, 2013 12:35:56 GMT -6
I'm set to make exactly $0 next season. How do you make your living? I'm talking about those guys that work a coaching job that is a full time job and get paid some kind of stipend. How else can you afford Aviators like the ones in your picture? LOL! The military blew out my knees, so they owe me. Those aviators are issued, special item only for pilots. Not even joking.
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Post by davishfc on Mar 21, 2013 12:54:45 GMT -6
How do you make your living? I'm talking about those guys that work a coaching job that is a full time job and get paid some kind of stipend. How else can you afford Aviators like the ones in your picture? LOL! The military blew out my knees, so they owe me. Those aviators are issued, special item only for pilots. Not even joking. Got it. Get what's coming to you then Chris. Those aviators are standard issue? Outstanding! I knew it... You’re everyone’s problem. That’s because every time you go up in the air, you’re unsafe. I don’t like you because you’re dangerous.
Your name should be Iceman or Maverick. Come on now...lol.
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Post by mariner42 on Mar 21, 2013 13:03:46 GMT -6
When I was at Willamette, I was talking with Coach Speckman in a class he was teaching (what a class that was) and the subject of salary came up. He didn't give us a specific number, but he did say this: he made more from his off season motivational speaking stuff than he did as a D3 HC. He considered himself fortunate because he had the ability to do that, most D3 coaches probably don't have that kind of supplementary income that doesn't really affect their duties much.
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Post by Chris Clement on Mar 21, 2013 13:10:33 GMT -6
The military blew out my knees, so they owe me. Those aviators are issued, special item only for pilots. Not even joking. Got it. Get what's coming to you then Chris. Those aviators are standard issue? Outstanding! I knew it... You’re everyone’s problem. That’s because every time you go up in the air, you’re unsafe. I don’t like you because you’re dangerous.
Your name should be Iceman or Maverick. Come on now...lol. I'm the spitting image of young Tom Cruise, so yeah, I caught some heat for it.
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Post by coachbw on Mar 21, 2013 13:15:28 GMT -6
I was a GA at a nationally ranked D3 in 2004. At that time, HC made just under 70K, Coordinator made mid 40's he was also the universities head strength coach and taught classes, 2 full time position coaches made 22K and 28K the one making more taught classes, the other one was a full time equipment manager for the athletic department. The staff was one of the better paid in the conference. All of them had supervisory duties at other athletic events. Outside of the season, those guys did not spend the majority of their time on football duties (The head coach was the exception to that).
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Post by cqmiller on Mar 21, 2013 13:19:26 GMT -6
Getting rid of the headache of teaching would be worth a lot of money to me at this point. Our district is using their 10th grade biology scores to compare them to their 11th grad chemistry scores to rate me as a teacher. I've heard some crazy ones before about the direction education is heading. But that's easily top 5. Not even close to related. Did you win this past fall? We had 3 kids total under a 5.0 40-yd dash time and I started 13 sophomores... ended up 3-7. Lost 3 in the 4th quarter because we ran out of gas playing kids 2-ways against teams that were mostly 1-way and then my top 2 QB's got knocked out in week 9. Week 10 sucked! I'm not in any danger of losing this job. Admin likes what we are doing with the bare talent we have (only 5 leage titles in 50 years here, no state). Raising more money than ever before and have participation numbers up to almost 3x what they were before I got here... just hate dealing with all the other stuff. I have a kid this semester who has turned in 0 of his 5 huge homework assignments and has turned in 0 of his 5 labs. Parents want to meet with me and admin about what he can do to pass... ARE YOU F'ING KIDDING ME? LOL
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Post by 42falcon on Mar 21, 2013 13:37:43 GMT -6
No way I could take that job. Teachers here make $90K plus a year we get $0 for coaching. Even if I divided my time based on how much I work at teaching there is no way, I mean no way I could work for that.
I guess it would also depend upon how much the cost of living there would be ie: homes, cars, groceries and such.
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Post by cqmiller on Mar 21, 2013 14:05:46 GMT -6
My base salary in Utah is just under 45K... add coaching and I'm at about 45K.
In an average week during the "season" (April - November) I am spending about 12 hours a day between teaching and coaching... (weekends a lot too to catch-up) In an average week during the "offseason" (November - April) I am spending about 10 hours a day between teaching and coaching... (weekends some to catch-up)
So on average for 12-months, I spend about 11 hours a day x 5 days a week working... 55 hours a week times about 48 weeks a year (only really get Xmas break, spring break, and maybe 1 week during summer off). That is 2640 hours of work
$45,000 divided by 2640 hrs = $17.50/hr (not counting any work done on weekends or breaks, or the times I grade papers/tests/labs, etc... while i"m watching TV on my "off-time").
Once you start really doing the math... $17.50 isn't very much to have to deal with all the responsibility and paperwork and constant worry about the "new evaluation systems" or the "new core" or the "we used to tell you that teaching this way was wrong, not we say it is right" or the "teachers are the reason the kids are _____ these days".
If I could fire parents, I bet my scores would go way up!
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Post by 4verts on Mar 21, 2013 17:00:18 GMT -6
I've made 3k no benefits or housing, 14k benefits and housing, 50k benefits, housing and one free meal per day. State schools will generally pay better than private schools.
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Post by CS on Mar 21, 2013 17:22:22 GMT -6
My base salary in Utah is just under 45K... add coaching and I'm at about 45K. In an average week during the "season" (April - November) I am spending about 12 hours a day between teaching and coaching... (weekends a lot too to catch-up) In an average week during the "offseason" (November - April) I am spending about 10 hours a day between teaching and coaching... (weekends some to catch-up) So on average for 12-months, I spend about 11 hours a day x 5 days a week working... 55 hours a week times about 48 weeks a year (only really get Xmas break, spring break, and maybe 1 week during summer off). That is 2640 hours of work $45,000 divided by 2640 hrs = $17.50/hr (not counting any work done on weekends or breaks, or the times I grade papers/tests/labs, etc... while i"m watching TV on my "off-time"). Once you start really doing the math... $17.50 isn't very much to have to deal with all the responsibility and paperwork and constant worry about the "new evaluation systems" or the "new core" or the "we used to tell you that teaching this way was wrong, not we say it is right" or the "teachers are the reason the kids are _____ these days". If I could fire parents, I bet my scores would go way up! I feel you on that but subtract 9,000 dollars from your salary. I would get a part time and do the 17,000 a year gladly. Teaching is really not worth all the trouble. And damn you if you come at me with how many breaks we get.
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Post by fballcoachg on Mar 21, 2013 17:55:44 GMT -6
No way I could take that job. Teachers here make $90K plus a year we get $0 for coaching. Even if I divided my time based on how much I work at teaching there is no way, I mean no way I could work for that. I guess it would also depend upon how much the cost of living there would be ie: homes, cars, groceries and such. That is a lot of loonies and toonies! In all seriousness do they hire American teachers?
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Post by 42falcon on Mar 21, 2013 18:20:06 GMT -6
Hahaha as far as I know they do. In our province you need to be a certified teacher through the Provincial body and then you can apply for school boards.
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Post by airman on Mar 22, 2013 19:04:32 GMT -6
here are some of the head coaching salaries for the WIAC (Wisconsin D3 Public Schools Conference); Lance Leipold - UWW - $100,251 Mike Emendorfer - UWP - $76,187 Matt Walker - UWRF - $71,075 Todd Glaser - UWEC - $62,872 Joel Dettwiler - UWL - $62,302 Pat Cerroni - UWO - $59,373 Clayt Birmingham - UWS - $58,850
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Post by airman on Mar 22, 2013 19:07:32 GMT -6
assistants vary from place to place. bottom end 35,000 with excellent benefits/retirement top end in the mid 70,000 also excellent benefits and retirement. at some schools they coaches also pocket the money from football camps. So a school will do 2 football camps and the assistant coaches get paid the money.
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