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Post by pitt1980 on Mar 29, 2013 8:24:23 GMT -6
You like player A, but not as much as player B?
if player B signs somewhere else, you have a spot for player A, otherwise you don't
what is the best way to go about this while accomplishing key objectives:
Key Objectives
1) Don't sully your reputation as an unethical {censored}
2) Don't insult the kid or the kid's coach
3) Keep the kid interested in your program
4) Get the best possible players to play for your team that you can
Thoughts?
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Post by Chris Clement on Mar 29, 2013 8:52:53 GMT -6
At the college level? You have to slow play him while working hard to get an offer from the other guy. If they're close you can give B a deadline after which it's first-come first-serve. If B is a real longshot, you can gamble trying to over-offer and hope you don't get them all.
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Post by 4verts on Mar 29, 2013 9:25:29 GMT -6
Be honest
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Post by coach2013 on Mar 29, 2013 10:10:42 GMT -6
Nail down player A, what does he intend to do, you need an answer- "take it or leave it" so you dont get left high and dry.
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Post by jgordon1 on Apr 1, 2013 8:21:30 GMT -6
Just what DC said...too many coaches take this personally, like you are recruiting them...each college has specific needs...recruit like heck and be honest.
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Post by Defcord on Apr 1, 2013 8:38:16 GMT -6
At the college level? You have to slow play him while working hard to get an offer from the other guy. If they're close you can give B a deadline after which it's first-come first-serve. If B is a real longshot, you can gamble trying to over-offer and hope you don't get them all. Don't gamble with one of my kids. That is shady. Slow playing it is fine, but if you make an offer and then pull it because you offered too many kids you won't be welcome in my school again. I think that type of treatment is indicative to how they will treat my kid when he gets there. All positive relationships are built on honesty. |
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 1, 2013 9:35:15 GMT -6
That's why it's a gamble. If you lose you either have to take a kid you don't want and cost yourself a kid you do want, or you burn that contact permanently (generally inadvisable). Every school is over-extended to some extent. One shouldn't offer both kids and then take your pick when the replies come in, if you offer both it has to be first-come first-serve and then you call the other kid and tell him he was too slow. If you are going to do that, then honesty becomes critical.
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Post by 4verts on Apr 1, 2013 9:45:59 GMT -6
You tell the kid, parents, and coach exactly where they stand. If they are 2nd on the board you tell them that. It doesn't mean that you aren't interested in the kid. Explain this to all parties involved. In FBS this is an evaluation on talent, potential and need. At lower levels this situation may be different. Both players may be exactly the same, but one player gets more pell grant and has better grades, therefore costing you less money for the same calibur player. Each case is different, and should be treated with honesty. Recruiting is a tough deal for all parties. There is an immediate need that has to be filled, but there are definte future relations that have to be taken in to account. People remember everything when it comes to recruiting. I may be looking for a kid for $5,000 at a D2 this year. If I screw this kid, I may not feel the immediate effect. Now in ten years I'm at Alabama, and I go after that 5 star and his HS coach happens to be the same as the kid I screwed over a decade ago. That is a road block that I have created that has to be overcome, and I have to go back and tell Nick Saban why.
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Post by Coach Huey on Apr 1, 2013 9:47:46 GMT -6
I can only assume this to be a recruiting situation within a youth league or across nearby youth leagues. Highly doubtful that a college coach would seek recruiting advice from a message board such as ours - flattering that we would think ourselves that 'influential' that we could train a young college assistant on recruiting strategies better than the staff he is on ... but, let's be honest with ourselves.
This pertains to this board only in the realm of youth leagues or in some states the middle school to high school transition.
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Post by coachseth on Apr 1, 2013 12:57:38 GMT -6
In our youth league we have so many scholarships we can offer players who maybe can't afford to play football.
I always did it the best way I know how, they've got to meet my standards in what I want in a player. If he's polite, respectful, keeps his grades up, and plays hard every down...that's my type of player.
The thing with scholarship players is, you got to make sure that's exactly who you want. You don't want to offer a guy who misses practice.
On a personal level, the last kid I offered a scholarship to I also helped with his homework, etc.
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Post by simione916 on Apr 2, 2013 19:20:18 GMT -6
I am wondering if this is about recruiting youth players for pop warner and I can't stop laughing. Youth coaches recruiting kids is silly where I am. Coaches offer Jordans, gold grills, to get kids to play for them. I wish I was joking.
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 2, 2013 21:05:31 GMT -6
Well then. If we're discussing the recruitment of pre-teens then I'm out. You guys are deeply, deeply screwed up.
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Post by 42falcon on Apr 2, 2013 23:00:24 GMT -6
Well then. If we're discussing the recruitment of pre-teens then I'm out. You guys are deeply, deeply screwed up. Haha come on you guys don't see recruiting happening in HS & Grade 9? That's like another word for off season around here (to some coaches, not all of us) |
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 3, 2013 7:05:22 GMT -6
No. I don't really know many parents who will drive their kid across town every day and back home at night for football.
The Zoo would try to poach kids all the time, and it was embarrassing to be around, selling a 12 year old on visions of glory.
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Post by austinator on Apr 3, 2013 7:36:18 GMT -6
No. I don't really know many parents who will drive their kid across town every day and back home at night for football. The Zoo would try to poach kids all the time, and it was embarrassing to be around, selling a 12 year old on visions of glory. Some parents will do drive across town. Some parents won't and will request a trade (to a closer team in the county). Down in the south where I coach, sports is a way of life (whether its basketball or football). Kids will move across town or "live" with an aunt to play on a specific team or at specific school |
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 3, 2013 8:21:56 GMT -6
Yes, well. We have woefully underfunded sports teams and high-quality public education. We also aren`t in the business of exporting kids to other schools to tidy up the racial demographics or forcing kids of wildly varying ability to sit in the same room and learn the same stuff. If that means playing in tattered uniforms I'm cool with that.
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Post by coachdoug on Apr 3, 2013 8:46:19 GMT -6
Yes, well. We have woefully underfunded sports teams and high-quality public education. We also aren`t in the business of exporting kids to other schools to tidy up the racial demographics or forcing kids of wildly varying ability to sit in the same room and learn the same stuff. If that means playing in tattered uniforms I'm cool with that. Just curious - where are you and what is the "zoo"? |
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 3, 2013 9:01:29 GMT -6
I'm in Winnipeg currently. "The Zoo" was a school in Northern Quebec that was an incredible example of how not to run a program. I ended up coaching 5 seasons there against my better judgement because of a lack of alternatives.
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Post by 42falcon on Apr 3, 2013 9:33:09 GMT -6
No. I don't really know many parents who will drive their kid across town every day and back home at night for football. The Zoo would try to poach kids all the time, and it was embarrassing to be around, selling a 12 year old on visions of glory. Wow interesting that is our single biggest problem in a 100 year old Athletic Association that is a partnership between a public and separate school board. We have parents that will take their kids across town or move houses so that they can get their kid into a "football" school. Chris when you get a super competitive area ie: multiple school after a small pool of resources this gets huge (I am not advocating it or supporting it). We had a kid last year QB, who ended up being a league all-star this year came to visit our school he and his Mom asked if as a Grade 10 he would start on our SR team, I said no. They went to a school 1/2 hour away. Each day this kid walks past our school on his way to and from the bus stop / train so he can get to the other school. Trying to stop this from happening has been a nightmare. |
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Post by austinator on Apr 3, 2013 16:16:27 GMT -6
Yes, well. We have woefully underfunded sports teams and high-quality public education. We also aren`t in the business of exporting kids to other schools to tidy up the racial demographics or forcing kids of wildly varying ability to sit in the same room and learn the same stuff. If that means playing in tattered uniforms I'm cool with that. I love sports as much as anyone, but it's been shocking as I've started coaching the lengths people are willing to go for so their kid can play on a specific team - on the youth level and how certain teams are loaded as a result. I coached a youth league girls team a few years ago and they loaded one team up with girls going to the local MS (and HS) athletic powerhouse. I don't see the point in loading a local rec league team up. So they blow out every team in the league - who cares, they should with the roster the have? What did they learn? IMO, youth sports are a great way to introduce kids to concepts like overcoming adversity, competing for the entire game, learning a love of the game, and having fun playing the game. Loading teams up does none of this, IMO. |
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Post by simione916 on Apr 3, 2013 18:51:13 GMT -6
Amen to that, austinator.
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