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Post by holmesbend on Jun 13, 2013 14:04:56 GMT -6
Here in Kentucky, we can't do 7v7 vs other schools in June. We can, though get the balls out and do that amongst ourselves while we continue on with our offseason workouts. I'm a young HC (31) with old school beliefs in a new aged world I guess....but, I'm with some of you other guys out there that I just don't really worry about June all that much. We had/have 10 workouts scheduled from the time we get out of school through June 20th (since school has been out, we just go Tues and Thursdays from 6:00-8:45 PM).
3/4 of our kids on the team play another sport and 3/4 of them are 3 sport kids. Like BLB said, if those multi sport kids have the option of: 1) Baseball all day playing against other schools 2) Basketball all day playing against other schools 3) Football where I just lift, condition, compete amongst ourselves
....had I not played for my dad in HS, I'm going to tell you which one I'd have chosen when I was 15-16.
Fortunately, the basketball coach, baseball, wrestling coaches and myself all get a long & we get together in the late winter to TRY and plan out our June schedules around each other.
The fact is, and this will sound like blasphemy to many guys my age out there, but I/We (my family) need June. It's the ONE month out of the year that I put being on my boat at the lake or stepping off my back porch to the #10 tee box at our golf course ahead of football. I need that time. The kids need that time to be kids. My wife and our little girl need that time. Come July 10, it's back to the grind (one that I enjoy like all of us). But, I need June.
I encourage our kids and my staff for that matter to try and take their Summer Vacation during the two week dead period, but it's not a must by any means. Heck, last Thursday I even missed....we went to Hilton Head for a good friends/college teammates wedding.
Our first official "practice" day here in KY is July 15th with our 1st day of contact correlating with our districts start of school (for us our 1st full gear day is August 1st).
From May 23- August 23 (our first game is the 24th), we will get a total of 41 workouts/practices (7 of those will be 7v7 nights/weekend tourneys in July).
July 15 is the day we can start legally making things mandatory and the kids know that. Come July 15 and you miss practices, well, they know the deal......unless it's something serious like drugs or things of that nature, I try never to kick a kid off. Instead, they either run (literally) themselves off or they don't miss.
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Post by holmesbend on Jun 3, 2013 20:58:30 GMT -6
We go 9-noon on Saturdays as a staff. Together we break down opponents and discuss defensive game plan. I develop offensive game plan on my own during/ between college games/ napping and mauling available snacks. Staff & myself are on our own to break down our game and expected to do so before Monday (cards and all). No kids either day. I find them distracting. They have film watching requirements by Monday as well. Hudl has saved much time IMHO. Speaking my language.
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Post by holmesbend on Jun 3, 2013 20:57:05 GMT -6
No practice or team film over the weekend.
Staff wise, we split it up as far as the breakdown on Hudl. I'm the HC & DC, so I take care of 99% of that end of the game plan. Myself, our OC and our OL coach usually meet up at the field house for 2-3 hrs tops on Sunday evenings. I know several that still do the long, marathon Sunday staff meetings, but I don't know if it's actually worth it or if they just do it b/c of the perception it gives off (or doesn't give if not meeting that long). It's like my grandpa and dad have said (both with 30 +/- a couple years in this business), the marathon weekend meetings use to be due to necessity. One film, so everybody had to get together to watch it....obviously not the case these days with Hudl (or even those that still burn DVD's).
Personally, the only way I can watch film for any length of time is by myself. It's a focus thing for me. I was like that in my college playing days and have been the same way in my 9 years of coaching.
We do a lot of film work on Monday with the older kids since most of the others are gone to JV games. Out of our 40 or so 9-12 (rural/county school here in KY of about 700), 25-27 of them go to JV, so we get a lot of our film/mental work in on Monday's. When/if our numbers get up (Junior class of only 3 kids kind of holds things down in that department), then we might have to adjust the weekend schedule when we start having more bodies to actually have a meaningful practice on Monday's.
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Post by holmesbend on Jun 1, 2013 20:21:59 GMT -6
We have a Facebook team site, twitter site and a Remind 101 account (like a one call, just in the form of a text).
I don't accept friend requests from parents, current players, etc to my personal facebook account. In saying that, if it weren't for me making announcements on our Facebook team site, I would be done with the site altogether. I was one of the Facebook originals (when it was solely for college aged kids & had to have a college email to be a member)...and, oh how I miss those days.
Facebook has been ruined by: 1) High Schoolers 2) New moms trying to constantly one up each other with their baby, toddler, child accomplishments (my wife is guilty of this). 3) Gossiping women who sit on it all day long more interested in the goings on of others lives, than their own.
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Post by holmesbend on May 31, 2013 9:57:14 GMT -6
^^Oh, they love the Russell Unis. Heck, it's still my #1 choice. We did a custom, not real flashy, but pretty standard...stretch/tech fit, all that jazz. We shall see, we aren't due for another set of unis until after this year, so I'm going to see how this trial run with UA accessories go.
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Post by holmesbend on May 30, 2013 22:40:01 GMT -6
We have gone with Russell the past couple years. I love Russell & I know most of us do. However, it's amazing what an "UA" or swoosh sign can do.......in terms of money generated.
We are starting to make the switch to Under Armour for nothing else than to aid in fundraising. If you say "Russell Hoody" to a kid/mom/dad for $25, you might get a "That much?" look or response......if you say "Under Armour Hoody" for $40, that somehow not only rationalizes their minds to buy it, but to be ok with paying 15 more bucks than the Russell or "off brand" version.
We are setting up an online store for players and one for fans, LL kids, boosters, etc this year of our gear that will be all UA. The best part is, we'll use it as a fundraiser....they (UA/Sporting Goods store) give it to us for 35% off the retail, we then sell it for 25% off retail. Parents, boosters, young kids, our players get UA stuff cheaper than they would in the stores PLUS our Booster Club getting a 10% kickback on the items. Essentially, they are all fundraising and don't even know it.....
Everything I've heard from those with UA unis has been positive. I love the stuff. Outside of shoes, there is no doubt in my mind that it's better than Nike. I've got pullovers 8 years old that are UA and they have definitely weathered the storm of all things 'coaching football'...
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Post by holmesbend on May 30, 2013 20:26:27 GMT -6
Privatizing all sport is making more sense now than ever before. You pay...you play AFTER you make the final cut. Removing the politics is the only way to avoid the absurd....mostly. I am not a HS Coach but it sure seems that many of you have little final say over your own teams anymore. Those "drugs" Threads pretty much said it all. Coaches no longer coach...they are glorified babysitters for lazy parents and righteous policies. Cant imagine my HS Coach ever having to roll like that back in the day. It was do your job or be replaced....immediately. And if you were a druggie or a drinker or a ditcher...so what. That's your business. Perform. What you do off the field will catch up with you eventually anyways. Your choice so make them. He wasn't my Dad. He was my Coach and taught me many life lessons indeed...like how to think for myself for a change. I dont even remember who our AD was or even the Principle. Helicopter parents are the problem now a day. Its a done deal. I see it at the youth levels. Fortunately I don't have to answer to the politicians...yet...and coaching does not feed my family. So I have some latitude. First, privatizing won't change any of that. In fact it'll only make it worse. Second, coaching isn't as bad as it sometimes sounds here. People start threads here because they have a problem. That attracts people with similar problems. There are problems with all jobs and people in all jobs ask for advice and gripe. Human nature. Nobody writes a letter to the editor about how courteous and efficient somebody was. Several of us were just having this conversation the other night about there being problems with all jobs. My oldest sister hates football with a passion....I mean despises it because of the time it took away from her and our family (our dad was a HS coach for 27 years). Her husband is a fulltime firemen/EMT, and the first couple years they were married you would have thought being a fireman/EMT hung the moon (which, IMO and others, it does...the ultimate profession of bravery & heroism on a daily basis). Here it is two years later and the 1) Missing of holidays, birthday's 2) Not being off on the weekends 3) Being on call 4) 24 hour shifts etc., are starting to get old in her eyes (granted, my sister would NEVER admit to the point I once made about every profession having its pitfalls).
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Post by holmesbend on May 30, 2013 15:25:46 GMT -6
This is one of many reasons as to why I'm learning each and every day to relax a little more and not take this job (and, ourselves) too seriously. It's like my grandpa who coached 33 years in the State of KY, winning 5 State Titles in that time has told me over and over....."There are 2 Billion Chinese in the world that don't give a dam.n." (meaning just that....the majority of the world couldn't care less how many football games you win). Which to be more current, I guess that should be closer to 3 million now, right?
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Post by holmesbend on May 20, 2013 20:31:30 GMT -6
For us, our Thursdays have become more of a headache, but with the same concept (we do a shortened version on Monday, too)...
But, as for suggestions, there is a school up the road from us who has a very respected program and they don't even practice on Thursdays...instead, they just do a short walk through on Friday right after school or before they get on the bus for away games.
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Post by holmesbend on May 16, 2013 7:24:06 GMT -6
It's one thing to mess up on accident. It's another thing to blantently coach a different technique than what was discussed, b/c so and so coach thought it was a better way. Personally, the first offense would be in private. The 2nd offense, I'm not really worried about feelings then. Do what I ask you to do or hit the road. IMHO, it's that simple. I don't know that I'd disagree with you on the multiple offenses front, but that's not how I interpreted the original post. If you have tried multiple times to do it diplomatically then yes, this may be the only way to get through to that person. Me either...I was just throwing that out there.
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Post by holmesbend on May 16, 2013 7:14:09 GMT -6
It's one thing to mess up on accident.
It's another thing to blantently coach a different technique than what was discussed, b/c so and so coach thought it was a better way.
Personally, the first offense would be in private. The 2nd offense, I'm not really worried about feelings then. Do what I ask you to do or hit the road.
IMHO, it's that simple.
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Post by holmesbend on May 10, 2013 14:30:24 GMT -6
For me, it comes in the offseason, but it's one of the reasons I'm going to get more help in that area next year. I've got a great staff...the "problem" is, in the offseason, it's just myself and our OC. I've got 7 paid coaches, and all of them but he and I coach other sports:
AD - 1 Asst. Baseball (MS & HS)- 4 Head Wrestling - 1
But, yeah...the offseason is what burns me out..January and February not so much, but come about Late March - the End of May, I lose that energy.
I agree also with what CoachBdud and Cqmiller said as well in there original posts.
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Post by holmesbend on May 8, 2013 21:01:57 GMT -6
Different school. Same district.
Fortunately, I have 4 other assistants in the building. Plus, I get over to school during 6th period. Personally, I think the whole "in the building" thing is overrated. I mean, it's common to say...and, like most things, it sounds good. With that said, I also think that in order for it to work, you have to have some help like what I mentioned above with at least having assistants in the building and a supportive admin. The fact that I have great administrative support at both schools helps make things work. If I need to get over to the HS before 6th Period (2:00), I do....
As far as working the halls and what not, I think that's overblown....the kids I want playing are usually playing other sports, so I get to see them regularly by going to games, popping in at practice, etc. (Basketball coach and I have a great relationship..the same with our baseball coach. He was an assistant football coach until he got the head job last summer...former football player at the school, too.)
I love it (not teaching in the HS)...it's a great separation for me. Then again, the 25 extended days I'm fortunate to get with my teaching job & the flexibility that comes along with it tend to help, too.
I know here in KY there are several coaches who "aren't in the building" (either "retired" and just coach or have other jobs within the district) at some very respected programs across the state.
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Post by holmesbend on Apr 30, 2013 7:16:56 GMT -6
In Tennessee, we are allowed to do weights/conditioning from the end of school until the Dead Period (2 weeks, last week of June and 1st week of July.) after the dead period we are allowed 15 days of practice without pads, 10 of those days may involve competition with other schools. (basically 7 on 7). We are allowed to begin practice in pads on Monday the week of August 1st, So this year that is July 29. Same here just north of you in Kentucky. Only difference is the number of days we have to go without shoulder pads which I think is just 5 (I check it to be sure about the time school is out). As far as full gear, it correlates with our opening day of school, which for us is about the same time as you.
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Post by holmesbend on Apr 29, 2013 22:16:01 GMT -6
Such a great thread. I've been checking this one more than any here of late...just reading and soaking up all of the different opinions.
Next year (year 2 as the HC, and my 2nd year in general) we are going to have about 40-45 grades 9-12. Here is the breakdown:
-10 Juniors and Seniors combined. -My 10 BEST freshmen and sophomores are better as a whole than the older kids.
We went 6-6 this past year. We had 10 seniors and they all started......both ways. Luckily, we didn't have any injuries and it was literally an amazing years. However, knowing that I was counting on those 10 + 2-3 others is something I'd rather avoid.
So, considering the information above about next years squad...with there being no real talent gap across the board; is this about as good of a time as any to Two Platoon?
For the record, I was very upfront with the committee in my interview before I got the job last year (was an assistant at the school for 4 years, DC for 3). I thought that if we got lucky injury wise this past year that we could snag 5 or 6 and we did (three teams in our region have accounted for 12 State Titles...one of which has won 5 out of the last 6 in our class in KY). This year...and, '14 (we will be better) I made things really clear that any win(s) we get...we better cherish every bit of them, fortunately my admin/hiring committee was/is aware of that. As a matter of fact, my principal and I were having a beer the other night and he made the comment that, "If you thought winning 6 was big this year, getting 4 next year would be just as big" (the reason I mention that conversation is bc I believe I'd have the support to go this route since nothing is being expected as is).
Also, I have myself plus 7 paid assistants and 2 volunteers. They all only coach one side of the ball as is. We implemented that about 3 years back. They really are a great bunch. Sure there are some who work better, harder than others like every staff, but they really are a very solid bunch. We're all trying to get better.
Thoughts for or against two platooning VERY welcomed.
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Post by holmesbend on Apr 29, 2013 8:28:59 GMT -6
^^ Agreed. We aren't doing a summer camp for these kids, but we are doing a Spring Practice these last 4 weeks of school for our 7th-8th graders to be.
Outside of a ridiculous amount of fundamentals, they are doing our base 3 run plays (Rocket, fullback belly/ISO/XB and Trap) + 2 pass schemes out of 2 formations. We are just going 3 days a week with them for about an hour and 15 minutes MAX.
...which will be what they run 99% of the time during the season, and it's what we do at the HS our first 2 weeks (we just window dress with more formations) as is.
Defensively? We might do every tackling drill/circuit known to man. Lol.
Keeping it short, simple and FUNdamentals.
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Post by holmesbend on Apr 23, 2013 12:13:47 GMT -6
just food for thought, but if we make concessions on platooning, we often end up not platooning at all. Will there be 3 guys who are studs that have to get a lot of time both ways? Likely. I've seen a lot of places that go this route, never really fully platoon and consequently never really develop depth or a solid program of players contributing. You end up with about 12-14 guys who really contribute to the program, rather than 20-25 (with underclassmen coming back with experience). If you have DI talent, he should play both ways, but who really has bonafide DI guys every year? Linemen really don't need to go both ways. ^^This. I want to get away from the 12-14 that contribute. It's a yearly thing for us. Rural/county school with about 715 here in KY. This past year (my 1st as the HC), we played about 10-12 that were actual contributors. As a matter of fact, we had 10 (all seniors) who didn't come off the field...EVER. Next year is just going to be one of those years...fact is, our Junior and Senior classes to be just aren't that strong (in numbers or talent, 10 total in those two classes...yes, 10). Our Frosh and Sophs, though? Many of them are just as good. We aren't going to be very good, so I'm thinking might as well not be very good with the young cats.... Brophy...I'm also thinking that if word starts spreading that we are actually trtying to play 20-25 kids, then that will serve as a recruitment tool for others? Kids aren't dumb.
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Post by holmesbend on Apr 22, 2013 9:41:58 GMT -6
We did two weeks this year.....started off 2-4, after those two weeks we were 4-4. Now, was that the reason we won the games? Nope. However, we were a lot more focused on those Thursday's which obvioulsy had to play some sort of small part come those next two weeks.
A neighboring school in our area doesnt even practice on Thursdays. It's a well respected program, too.
Bottom line why they don't is they just feel as though it's a waste and a lot of head ache. AT MOST, they just watch film from a defensive standpoint. They go longer M-W and off on Thurs.
Anybody else feel it's just perception thing to practice on Thursday?
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Post by holmesbend on Apr 16, 2013 21:46:45 GMT -6
I personally am trying to quit...or at least severely limit...language. And GD and Fbombs are off limits... However, do you think at times cussing can be effective to get a point across? Or is it never acceptable? What are your thoughts? Unfortunately, I think it does. I also think it depends on the kid. Like yelling or not yelling. Some kids can't take getting yelled at, cursing or not. But, to add to my original post, I try not to ever, ever curse at a kid. For example, a kid screwing up might get a "What the he11?!?", but that's totally different than saying "You're dumb as he11".
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Post by holmesbend on Apr 16, 2013 21:35:54 GMT -6
Guilty...BUT...I'm a dam.n, a$$, he11 kind of guy.
I think I said 3 F bombs last year and they were the week we played our longtime rival, directed towards THAT team. (I also did Push Ups...150 to be exact. I don't have a book of rules..but, an F bomb and/or a G.D from a player gets them 50 up downs. I dang sure wasn't doing up downs, but I did do push ups and the kids counted them out.)
There is however, another side of that coin.....I'll have one or two a year (usually seniors) that just take getting their butts ripped to get in gear (be it practice or game). What I might say to them at times isn't broadcasted for the world to hear. It's them and me....usually me literally right up next to their ear holes on their helmets.
I'm with CoachXO, though, I always try to drop any of those words in a positive light.
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Post by holmesbend on Apr 16, 2013 21:20:53 GMT -6
We blast it in July-August. I got us a Bose portable speaker last summer...came with a remote (I control the volume ). Our kids loved it. About the only time we turned it off those first 5-6 weeks was when were doing Team Offense...other than that, I cranked it. Kids love it as well as most of the coaches. The ones that don't just won't admit it...might make them less of a harda$$ you know. lol
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Post by holmesbend on Apr 15, 2013 12:19:13 GMT -6
^^ We share the same definition of "chase". That's hilarious. One of my closest friends..matter of fact, he teaches in the classroom next to me, too....He use to ask, "You ready?" at a party/bar. If they looked confused, he just moved on...those that didn't ask anything were usually willing and out the door.
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Post by holmesbend on Apr 15, 2013 10:46:45 GMT -6
Saw it and loved what he said.
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Post by holmesbend on Apr 15, 2013 10:11:40 GMT -6
Thanks for bringing up this topic. We are going into year 2 of a rebuild and probably should be more aggressive in the hallways, but really haven't been. I don't want to hijack the thread, but coaches, do you think recruiting the halls is even worthwhile? We did it really aggressively last year, and probably got 30 or so kids to come out that weren't planning to originally. We might have finished with 5 of those kids that we got to come up. At that rate, is it even worth the time and effort? I'm with BLB, I don't think it matters either. Truthfully, I think it's overrated as he11. Right now, I'm not in the building....I teach in the district, but not at the HS. I get there the last hour of the day, though. The kids that are going to play (and, be of any value) are usually the ones playing other sports. With that said, I'm at dang near every home basketball and baseball game. As a matter of fact, I'll even pop in at those sports practices before and after to socialize with the kids. Those are the ones I'm trying to get. What I've come to find out is that the 16 year old who isn't playing anything, probably isn't doing so for a few reasons. If he has a car, a job and a little miss sweety...then forget it. Also, unless they can just automatically bring something to the table, then I don't worry about chasing after them. I always try to stay in the ear of those baseball, basketball, wrestling and even our soccer kids who aren't playing, but if they aren't involved with any other sport as is, then I never mention playing to them past their freshman or sophomore year at the latest unless they are just one of those rare natural athletes who for some odd reason aren't already playing another sport. With that said, I'm at every middle school home game (and, some away) and at LL on Saturdays. Fortunately, our Middle School and HS are on the same campus and our MS practices on the other side of us (baseball field seperates our practice fields)....I'll even run over to MS practice for 10-15 mins each week. I try to get around to all of the kids and usually will help with an individual/group period that is going on.
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Post by holmesbend on Apr 15, 2013 8:44:51 GMT -6
We can't cut a kid in the off season even if you wanted to, but you said you're a private school so maybe you can. But I really don't think you should cut a kid for refusing to workout in the off season. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards Same here. I've kind of adopted the whole, "The offseason is optional, but so is your playing time." What happens? The ones that want to be good and will be actual contributing factors to our team, show up and get stuff done. Fortunately, we have in class weights (periods are an hour and 5 mins long....4 classes of it, ran by our S & C coach who is great if I don't mind saying myself. He is one of those weight room meat heads ya know? The type of guy that gets excited to do box squats as most of us would if we were going on vacation), so the majority of our kids are in those. I've been part of programs where the off season is made just like practice (miss and you sit game time), and done it like where I'm the HC now with the above philosophy. Know what I've found out? You end up having to shoot a few hostages every year, no matter what approach you take. To be honest, one of the reasons I got away from the whole "off season or else" deal is bc being at a rural school like ours, we just flat out don't have the Jimmy's and Joe's walking down the halls that some places have. Well, every year, it never fails that come July, we end up getting a couple of these basketball or baseball only kids who are good athletes and just overall good kids in general....they decide to finally give this football thing a try. So, how can I possibly let them come out (not having lifted a weight in 2-3 years) yet, punish the average athlete, football only kid who might have missed a few workouts from Jan-June?. Where I'm at right now...I can't take that approach. Matter of fact...had I taken that approach, our best player this year (who just signed a D1 basketball scholly) wouldn't have played. Great KID. Never missed a practice once he showed up in July after all of his basketball stuff was over. Ended up probably being our best leader. Went for a 1,000+ All-Purpose yards + 4 INT's + 2 K.Off returns for 6 and a Punt Return for the same. And, quite honestly, instead of us finishing 6-6 (2nd round of the playoffs), we finish 4-7 (1st round playoff exit) without him. His only fault? He liked being in the gym shooting instead of lifting weights. That was it. However, I will say that he has found out the importance of being in the weight room (as they all end up doing in time). Now...come July-1st of December? Different scenario.
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Post by holmesbend on Apr 8, 2013 8:13:32 GMT -6
Have one. Love it.
We have a facebook and Twitter account (also recently created a Remind 101 account that is AWESOME, too).
Facebook is more for the parents and Twitter for the boys.
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Post by holmesbend on Apr 7, 2013 16:25:09 GMT -6
We have 4. Athletes only. Being a relatively small school and a rural one at that, we have to have most of our best athletes being multi sport. Our school has always done well in that aspect, problem was, these kids were constantly playing/practicing and never lifting....so, these classes got implemented 3 years ago. The best part? Our strength and conditioning football coach is the teacher.
So...after school weights in the offseason is about 85% incoming frosh (who aren't in a spring or winter sport), 10% current frosh (who aren't in other sports) and less than a handful of upperclassmen who couldn't work the weight class into their schedule (every year, a couple of these are usually first time players).
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Post by holmesbend on Mar 24, 2013 17:49:01 GMT -6
^^^ I forgot to mention wrestling. Likewise here. Our wrestling head man just resigned after 20 years at the helm, he was also a long time football assistant. Our new head wrestling coach is also an assistant football coach, my neighbor and a good friend.
I love wrestling. LOVE. I personally can't stand to watch it, but for our football kids, it's the best off season you could ask for.
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Post by holmesbend on Mar 24, 2013 12:57:46 GMT -6
Great article.
I like to think that I have a great relationship with our basketball and baseball coaches, and I do. However, I have a hard time believing they (well, our basketball coach I should specifically say) actively push their kids to do other sports like I do.
I played them all. Even did 4 sports one year (football, basketball, baseball and track). Being a multi sport athlete, I genuinely want them doing other things.
Our multi sport kids are without a DOUBT our best 'gamers'. The most competitive kids on our team.
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Post by holmesbend on Mar 14, 2013 10:05:41 GMT -6
I'm with Brophy and Tiger....
I'm in KY, too. I think for some schools, spring practice is great. But, where I'm at, we don't really get anything out of it to be honest.
Fact is, most of my skill kids play baseball (big baseball school here, but we share athletes) or run track. I will, however, take out the linemen and we'll get a lot of Indy/Technique work in. Now, how much does it matter come July? The PC answer is "We get so much better!". The honest answer is, "Probably doesn't amount to squat."
Thankfully, though, we are able to get a ball out and do as much as we want (without helmets) amongst ourselves anytime from January 1 up until our State wide "Dead Period" in late June- Early July (two weeks long, for all sports). Come April and May, we try to get out and do stuff on air with our skill kids that we have available (but,back to baseball and track....3 of my 4 QB's are Baseball or Track & one does Both.)
I forgot to add this, too....several of our linemen also wrestle, and while the KHSAA wrestling season just ended, many of them wrestle what's essentially AAU. Those guys lift, then go to wrestling 3 nights a week...which, Ill be honest...I'm all for.
For those at bigger (even smaller ones like us) schools that don't have a lot of multiple sport athletes, I think it can be great.
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