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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2013 20:21:41 GMT -6
I'm probably old-school when it comes to this, but we still line up the opponent's O and D to the players on the field and show them the adjustments motions, blitzes they might do etc. on Monday of game week. Seems like we don't get much out of this anymore. Kids seem to gloss over for some reason. Now these probably are only 15 min. sessions as we do them with the 1st and 2nd group standing in their slots vs. a scout O or D. How else do you get it done anymore? I'm open to any ideas that might be out there.
Duece
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Post by holmesbend on May 20, 2013 20:31:30 GMT -6
For us, our Thursdays have become more of a headache, but with the same concept (we do a shortened version on Monday, too)...
But, as for suggestions, there is a school up the road from us who has a very respected program and they don't even practice on Thursdays...instead, they just do a short walk through on Friday right after school or before they get on the bus for away games.
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Post by carookie on May 20, 2013 23:00:04 GMT -6
We'll also do films before Monday practice, so there is a possibility of lull. We do about half of our defensive playcalling based on the opponents formation; so a lot of our Monday defense is formation recognition and being able to call the correct play quickly. This helps keep things up tempo.
I've also been at places that do a lot of the ST work on Mondays, I think if you intertwine that in it may kick up the pep some too.
Other things Ive seen done is two minute drill, and other special situations; once again if you have the time and mix it in right then it can chunk the day up into more up tempo days.
Thursdays, on the other hand can DRAG. I honestly think most teams stretch them out too long. Make sure all your special teams are ready (know whose on them), work a few change of possessions, simulate a couple injuries so backups know where to be, and get to team meal (or whatever you do).
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Post by brophy on May 21, 2013 1:20:21 GMT -6
classroom
film
on field = formation recognition only (don't use linemen, just cones) don't have the entire team, just the unit.
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Post by shields on May 21, 2013 4:11:29 GMT -6
Brophy, is that your Monday or Thursday deal and how much time is allotted to each segment?
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Post by s73 on May 21, 2013 5:30:49 GMT -6
We just have a shorter regular practice and discuss some things in the gameplan mostly on the fly. Our offensive rules don't change so to me a defense is a defense. I might take a pause to reinforce some things but that's about it.
Defensively we might take 10-15 minutes to discuss their staple plays but otherwise, it's pretty much regular practice just shorter. We also work our pass game a great deal on Mondays.
One thing that has helped w/ the monotony of practice (and I know this is definitely not for everyone) is at a certain point in the season we start going in just uppers and shorts. We usually have less kids than a lot of our opponents b/c our school enrollment is smaller than most, so in order to keep them fresh and healthy about 1/3 to 1/2 way through the season we start going in shoulder pads and shorts and IN OUR CASE that has breathed new life into the kids. It's like Xmas the first time I make the announcement. It also saves $ on an already VERY tight budget b/c we are making some of our practice gear last quite a bit longer.
Again, realize it's not for everybody but it works for us.
PS - I should add that after a couple of weeks we'll have a lazy/ lifeless practice and then I make them go full gear for about a week and then when we go back to "pro-pads" they remember how much they appreciate it and we rarely have a poor practice again. I reiterate, that I KNOW THIS IS NOT FOR EVERYBODY.
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Post by coachwoodall on May 21, 2013 6:18:26 GMT -6
-do they seem disinterested and it shows by lack of recognition/execution?
-or do they seem disinterested and they still know their assignment?
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Post by silkyice on May 21, 2013 8:08:30 GMT -6
We just have a shorter regular practice and discuss some things in the gameplan mostly on the fly. Our offensive rules don't change so to me a defense is a defense. I might take a pause to reinforce some things but that's about it. Defensively we might take 10-15 minutes to discuss their staple plays but otherwise, it's pretty much regular practice just shorter. We also work our pass game a great deal on Mondays. One thing that has helped w/ the monotony of practice (and I know this is definitely not for everyone) is at a certain point in the season we start going in just uppers and shorts. We usually have less kids than a lot of our opponents b/c our school enrollment is smaller than most, so in order to keep them fresh and healthy about 1/3 to 1/2 way through the season we start going in shoulder pads and shorts and IN OUR CASE that has breathed new life into the kids. It's like Xmas the first time I make the announcement. It also saves $ on an already VERY tight budget b/c we are making some of our practice gear last quite a bit longer. Again, realize it's not for everybody but it works for us. PS - I should add that after a couple of weeks we'll have a lazy/ lifeless practice and then I make them go full gear for about a week and then when we go back to "pro-pads" they remember how much they appreciate it and we rarely have a poor practice again. I reiterate, that I KNOW THIS IS NOT FOR EVERYBODY. We only go fullpads on Tuesdays once the season begins. We only hit "live" for one period on Tuesdays. The period can go anywhere from 5 to 20 minutes. Usually about 10 minutes. |
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Post by John Knight on May 21, 2013 8:27:20 GMT -6
pregame walk throughs make me sick!
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Post by utchuckd on May 21, 2013 8:32:15 GMT -6
Hopefully this isn't a hijack but I got a script on here a few years ago that made Thursdays go a lot better. We would do a shortened pregame routine, then go into it. It can take 45 min or better to run the script, but once the players get it it goes fairly smoothly and keeps everybody involved.
KOR for TD
PAT
PAT Fire
Kickoff
Team Defense vs. Formations
Punt Block
Team Offense
Field Goal
Punt Team
Fake Punt
Goal Line Defense
PAT Block
Goal Line Offense
Backed Up Punt
Prevent Defense
Punt Return- Fair Catch & Free Kick
Onside Kickoff
2 Minute Offense
Go for Two
Squib Kickoff
3rd & long Defense
Go for on 4th Defense
Defense vs. Fake Punt
Punt Team- Give a Safety
After Safety Kickoff
Defense- 1 play get a Safety
After Safety KOR
Backed up Offense
4 Minute Offense- talk through
Hands Team
Party Time
Offense- walk through coaches discretion
Defense- walk through coaches discretion
Special Teams walk through
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2013 13:34:35 GMT -6
Silky and S73 do you practice in the same format and same length when you are not in full pads during the week?
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Post by coachbdud on May 21, 2013 13:58:27 GMT -6
I hate walk throughs
we did them a lot on D in the past
I don't like doing them on the field on O but I have done it in the past
it takes forever, you never really do a great job of showing the kids what you will see
one person talks while every single person on the field is standing doing nothing
What I would prefer to do in the future is just like brophy said
Show them on the whiteboard
show them some film
both of these are better visual representations
I do not like to show entire game films, I make playlists... show the fronts/blitzes/coverages whatever I want and then we move on... if they want to watch the whole game they all have HUDL accounts and cell phones... have it at it... but to do so in practice takes too long and overwhelms most kids
When it comes to on the film time I would much rather see the players brought in by position for their walk through
Have the position coach and the coordinator there... 2o you have either 1 or 2 coaches there with a smaller number of kids... show them what pertains to their position (meanwhile the other groups are working basic indys )then rotate
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Post by silkyice on May 21, 2013 14:35:43 GMT -6
Silky and S73 do you practice in the same format and same length when you are not in full pads during the week? We able to do anything you want except live tackling when in shells (helmets and shoulder pads and girdles). |
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Post by buck42 on May 21, 2013 15:05:49 GMT -6
Call it Run Thru...it's amazing how it changes the mindset
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Post by s73 on May 21, 2013 16:09:53 GMT -6
We don't change anything. We rarely take to the ground anyway so nothing changes.
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Post by brophy on May 21, 2013 20:59:25 GMT -6
there are a few variables to take a look at before you find the one that will fit for you.
If you platoon, some of this will be much much simpler (work your groups).
If you bring your kids in on Saturday to watch film, then you won't need to repeat film on Monday.
How many coaches you have will determine how you can manage all this.
MONDAY walk-thru is entirely different than THURSDAY walk-thru (which shouldn't be more than 40 minutes total).
If we're talking MONDAY, I'd reiterate
TEAM Film
** previous cutups of last week's game (just specific clips)
** highlights of current opponent (no matter who it is, make them think this is the toughest team they'll face)
*** key players / main plays & formations ....HELLO, HUDL!
POSITION WHITE BOARD
** recognition
** assignment review (more kids, less coach talking)
A) ON FIELD GROUP RECOGNITION
** offense formation recognition.
*** key player ID
**** formation by 1st down / 3rd down (this should be something you reiterate through the week as you script sessions. Keep calling out your opponent tendencies like a broken record. Kids should be repeating this by Wednesday (2nd & 8 + wing to the boundary = bucksweep)
B) WEIGHTS
** if you do this by groups, one group will be on the field while the other group is doing some basic weights (squats / cleans) for a quick session
7 ON 7
** finish with a brief skelly session
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Post by larrymoe on May 22, 2013 10:12:36 GMT -6
I'm probably old-school when it comes to this, but we still line up the opponent's O and D to the players on the field and show them the adjustments motions, blitzes they might do etc. on Monday of game week. Seems like we don't get much out of this anymore. Kids seem to gloss over for some reason. Now these probably are only 15 min. sessions as we do them with the 1st and 2nd group standing in their slots vs. a scout O or D. How else do you get it done anymore? I'm open to any ideas that might be out there. Duece Next time a 1st team kid "glosses over" bring in his replacement and so on and so forth. |
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Post by fantom on May 22, 2013 10:19:04 GMT -6
I'm probably old-school when it comes to this, but we still line up the opponent's O and D to the players on the field and show them the adjustments motions, blitzes they might do etc. on Monday of game week. Seems like we don't get much out of this anymore. Kids seem to gloss over for some reason. Now these probably are only 15 min. sessions as we do them with the 1st and 2nd group standing in their slots vs. a scout O or D. How else do you get it done anymore? I'm open to any ideas that might be out there. Duece Next time a 1st team kid "glosses over" bring in his replacement and so on and so forth. I can understand why some kids would gloss over. Most of the adjustments involve the back seven. The 3 tech doesn't care. |
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Post by John Knight on May 22, 2013 10:41:45 GMT -6
Next time a 1st team kid "glosses over" bring in his replacement and so on and so forth.
That would require putting pylons on the field!
LOL!!!!!!!
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Post by coachorm on May 23, 2013 20:56:55 GMT -6
Coach,
One thing we did to help with our kids dragging ass on Monday and Thursday is we put them in full pads on Monday and shoulder pads and helmet on Thursday. Monday we watch film first of our previous game and our next opponent. Also on Sunday we meet and use dri-erase marker on the bathroom mirrors in the locker-room writing messages about how long since we beat the next opponent or the numbers of the best players that we need to stop so they see them all the time. After film we go outside and stretch, then do a turnover circuit. Next we go over offense and defense vs. whatever our opponent does. This is just formation and alignment recognition, plus we go over any new wrinkles. Then we go through each special team. Everything is live but the whistle is usually very quick on special teams. After that we condition. This all happened because we had a bad Monday and the HC made the, all go get their gear on and start practice over.
Thursday we go just uppers and everything is live on the lines but no tackling.
For us this does put the kids in pads more but being in pads made them focus more and give better effort.
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Post by lions23 on May 23, 2013 21:53:53 GMT -6
Monday's we do fifteen minutes of film. We try to cut up hudl so kids see top four runs and any formations that give us trouble. We will then introduce top four passes and a coverage adjustment if necessary. If possible we only show a defense that is similar as far as front and coverages. I know not always possible but sometimes we even go back to a last year film if they are conference team and we have all their film. Kids don't want to do walk through like old school when they know they can see it in fifteen minutes. You don't have to tell Johnny to line up here and Joey over there. It is all cut up and kids can handle 15-20 plays on film.
Then we will whiteboard those formation or coverage adjustments. 5 minutes. I just want to introduce our alignment change.
Prepractice our varsity kickers snappers and returners kick and catch. Linebackers DE/OLB line up against those runs and formations. Our scout team coach takes soph/junior skill players and tells them their scout team positions for the week. We run through top four runs without lineman(if we are guard reading we put guards out there).
1st and 2nd team secondary comes over after fielding some kicks and punts. We line up to the coverage and formation adjustments. We will run any option plays. If none they we will run top four passes. (20 minutes pre-practice). Tuesday we do the same mixing more pass. Wednesday we do all pass in prepractice. Thursday we review run, option, and passes in prepractice.
Couple of things. Kids like and can handle short film walk through. That's how they live-i phones, you tube, etc... Taking non essential players out of the walk through and getting them busy in prepractice and you eliminate distractions. Our lineman go with each other work on stance starts and formation recognitions. Skill guys work on catching kicks. LBers work run reads. QBs go warm up. It's differentiated and everyone is moving. Also you are putting all your coaches to work with their positions or specialists.
Monday we practice for 1:45. Special teams. Indy. Goal line drill because it is furthest away from Friday and we like to start the week Emphasizing scoring and stopping scores. Then we go scout. By this time it is the fourth time kids have seen or practiced vs new opponent. Film(15) board(5) prepractice(15-20) and scout-top four runs twice and play action or quick game passes(1st and 10). You have introduced the opponent. You introduce new alignment. Kids can anticipate as they change for practice. Your walk through gets kids moving and it is a success drill because they can go slow and you can talk to them about reads and anticipating alignments without lots of distractions.
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Post by coacht2210 on May 25, 2013 15:55:05 GMT -6
"walk-thru" days can be brutal sometimes... espeacially with young immature kids. Things that should go quick do not. But here's some of the better things we've done on these days..
When we 2 platooned I loved Mondays. JV played Monday so varsity had film and walkthru. Defense installed gameplan, when thru formations on barrels.
Offensively I liked to use Mondays as an INDY day. We were always just hats on Mondays. OLINE did all their indy stuff that didnt require a ton of footwork. skills got lots of work in the pass game.
Then we came together. Offensively on Mondays, we ran the base plays for the week against our D who was giving us a scout look. Defensive coaches were coaching the scout D to get the look right. This period was quick pace. There rarely were any wrinkles on Monday, just our base attack. Wrinkles came in Tuesday.
Then we'd switch and the O would run scout cards for the D. Very fast paced. All the core plays and formations that the D was just going thru on barrels. After we would condition --usually with a fun type drill or game. Always liked Mondays --when we platooned. On teams when we didnt platoon, different story.
Thursday was similar with a lot of ST's. Big difference was we had JV kids her on thursday. Thursday became a big JV day. any coaches who werent vital to the period would take the JV kids who werent working in down the other end of the field. Varsity O and D would practice seperate and then we'd serve each other for a brief high tempo team time. lot of situtation stuff on Thursday.
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Post by blb on May 25, 2013 16:14:06 GMT -6
I'm probably old-school when it comes to this, but we still line up the opponent's O and D to the players on the field and show them the adjustments motions, blitzes they might do etc. on Monday of game week. Seems like we don't get much out of this anymore. Kids seem to gloss over for some reason. Now these probably are only 15 min. sessions as we do them with the 1st and 2nd group standing in their slots vs. a scout O or D. How else do you get it done anymore? I'm open to any ideas that might be out there. Duece We don't do "Walk-Thrus" per se. During Monday Group period DBs review Coverage calls, Formations-Motion adjustments. LBers do similar during Individual-Keys. Only true "Walk Thru" we do is with Front 7 during Group on Mondays reviewing Defensive Fronts-stunts-blitzes. When we get to Team it's 11-on-11, full speed (Helmets-Shoulder Pads only, tackle but not to ground). Same on Thursdays. |
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Post by tyhpu10 on Jun 28, 2013 7:13:14 GMT -6
I consider Thursday a non practice day because that's when our sub-varsity teams play, so we are short staffed as they attend to the younger kids. Therefore we use Monday-Wednesday as work days. Monday and Tuesday are full pads and normal practice with normal amount of periods. Wednesday is a little shorter (10 min shorter on D & 10 min on O) and half pads. Thursday has to be walk thru because of being short handed, we kick the field and work on situations. We do bring ur kids in on Saturday and this is where we watch certain cut ups of the Friday night game and Opponent film, when the kids show up on Monday morning their scouting report is ready and we expect and hold them to, studying it throughout the day before practice starts.
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Post by rpetrie on Jun 30, 2013 8:29:59 GMT -6
For us...a walk-through is a "game-day" routine. Strictly personnel groupings for every/all situations (O/D/ST) that we have prepared for all week. If a kids misses his assigned group when called because he's on the side grab-a$$in then he loses his spot PERIOD. No mental breakdowns on game day tolerated. We stack-in the 2-deep when doing this for that reason.
Most of our games are on Saturdays so I guess we call MON/FRI our "light days"...light in that they wear helmets only, but intensity is still at a high level. Our Monday "light day" is about 1HR after film/lifting, focusing on Base Runs/Passes, Defensive Alignments & Core Specials skill work. Fridays are a about 1.5HRS on field with a 20-30min team meeting after. We change groups quickly and with a focus...lots of "sudden change" between O/D/ST situations. We always rep the 2-deep roster to keep all involved...and all coaching is done on the fly. If we need a scout team with shields then we make the defensive guy align over his position if possible, that way he is engaged with his opposite assignment...as a staff we put such an emphasis on the importance of our "scout team" that they realize they truly make or team successful. It takes extra time early in the season to get guys to understand the routing, and extra planning with practice scripts in general, but it is effective. We start the process during summer practices leading into our scrimmages.
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Post by jpdaley25 on Jun 30, 2013 9:47:25 GMT -6
I begin with the premise that kids don't learn by listening.
Imagine your typical walk- through done in a film room with no chairs in it, 10 minutes at the most. Then we do a high speed set recognition and responsibility review on the field with a lot of @ss chewing and up downs. Usually a 10 minute period. We drive it the rest of the way home on team D.
Like you, i found walk throughs to be a backward step to the intensity and focus that i want. So now, i pretend that they're already supposed to know everything and force them to play catch up. It certainly puts a sense of urgency in them.
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Post by macdiiddy on Jul 1, 2013 23:16:19 GMT -6
Mondays are no longer then 5 minutes of formations we will see, addressing their favorite plays and anything else of note.
on tuesday we will have multiple hudls showing different formations and motions. They get to the line, defense adjusts. If there is a motion in that formation they show it. then next group is up.
On wednesday we do the same thing, but add in the different blitz packages we will be using. Causing them to adjust properly and check out of blit' against certain formations
Segment is only 5 minutes long each day.
With that being said, we now will have a "pre-practice" built in to our schedule this year. So monday and tuesday maybe accomplished through film before practice.
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Post by coachjd on Jul 1, 2013 23:21:22 GMT -6
We have gone to a 20 min period that we call, walk it, jog it, run it. After film and classroom we will line the offense up against the opponents base defense and staff walks kids through the first time, then we jog it at 1/2 speed and then we run it full speed. We go through entire run game both rt and lt and pass protections.
Has been very productive.
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