coachxo
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Post by coachxo on Apr 16, 2013 19:16:49 GMT -6
I personally am trying to quit...or at least severely limit...language. And GD and Fbombs are off limits...
However, do you think at times cussing can be effective to get a point across? Or is it never acceptable?
What are your thoughts?
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Post by carookie on Apr 16, 2013 19:52:46 GMT -6
In my younger and foolish days I had a foul mouth at practice. I was one of those coaches who bought into the hype that a big part of my job was to motivate/intimidate and swear up a storm.
Luckily, I grew up.
Nowadays I NEVER use any foul language when I am correcting a player; but to be fair I think coaches who get all riled up, upset, and scream & curse are a bit off anyways (if you're that overly emotional and can't control yourself then you probably shouldnt work with kids). You shouldnt need to curse at someone you are working with to effectively get your point across, especially not a kid. I still drop some casual swearing, usually the colloquialisms I'm used to saying, but as an educator and coach on campus I think its best to keep it relatively clean
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Post by CS on Apr 16, 2013 19:56:03 GMT -6
I will say damn it. But not at or to a kid. If something goes wrong that is my go to swear word. It's really just a reflex I don't see the need to cuss at a kid
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Post by coachxo on Apr 16, 2013 20:33:31 GMT -6
In my younger and foolish days I had a foul mouth at practice. I was one of those coaches who bought into the hype that a big part of my job was to motivate/intimidate and swear up a storm. Luckily, I grew up. Nowadays I NEVER use any foul language when I am correcting a player; but to be fair I think coaches who get all riled up, upset, and scream & curse are a bit off anyways (if you're that overly emotional and can't control yourself then you probably shouldnt work with kids). You shouldnt need to curse at someone you are working with to effectively get your point across, especially not a kid. I still drop some casual swearing, usually the colloquialisms I'm used to saying, but as an educator and coach on campus I think its best to keep it relatively clean I actually do it in more positive situations like "WOOOOO You knocked the h-e-!! out of him!" or something like that. I'm not taking about cussing out kids, more like the second comment said...a "darn it" from a mess up or something...or "Heck yeah" when something goes good...
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Post by holmesbend on Apr 16, 2013 21:35:54 GMT -6
Guilty...BUT...I'm a dam.n, a$$, he11 kind of guy.
I think I said 3 F bombs last year and they were the week we played our longtime rival, directed towards THAT team. (I also did Push Ups...150 to be exact. I don't have a book of rules..but, an F bomb and/or a G.D from a player gets them 50 up downs. I dang sure wasn't doing up downs, but I did do push ups and the kids counted them out.)
There is however, another side of that coin.....I'll have one or two a year (usually seniors) that just take getting their butts ripped to get in gear (be it practice or game). What I might say to them at times isn't broadcasted for the world to hear. It's them and me....usually me literally right up next to their ear holes on their helmets.
I'm with CoachXO, though, I always try to drop any of those words in a positive light.
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Post by holmesbend on Apr 16, 2013 21:46:45 GMT -6
I personally am trying to quit...or at least severely limit...language. And GD and Fbombs are off limits... However, do you think at times cussing can be effective to get a point across? Or is it never acceptable? What are your thoughts? Unfortunately, I think it does. I also think it depends on the kid. Like yelling or not yelling. Some kids can't take getting yelled at, cursing or not. But, to add to my original post, I try not to ever, ever curse at a kid. For example, a kid screwing up might get a "What the he11?!?", but that's totally different than saying "You're dumb as he11".
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Post by John Knight on Apr 17, 2013 4:59:15 GMT -6
This was 1988, I had a kid ask me about 4 what ifs in a row and I kept answering with what we would do to fix it, finally he said, well what if he does this and I yelled well then we are f--d in the middle of a sh-- field. Famous line! Times have changed.
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Post by brophy on Apr 17, 2013 5:30:03 GMT -6
In my younger and foolish days I had a foul mouth at practice. I was one of those coaches who bought into the hype that a big part of my job was to motivate/intimidate and swear up a storm. Luckily, I grew up.Nowadays I NEVER use any foul language when I am correcting a player; but to be fair I think coaches who get all riled up, upset, and scream & curse are a bit off anyways (if you're that overly emotional and can't control yourself then you probably shouldnt work with kids). You shouldnt need to curse at someone you are working with to effectively get your point across, especially not a kid. I still drop some casual swearing, usually the colloquialisms I'm used to saying, but as an educator and coach on campus I think its best to keep it relatively clean this is it necessary? can you go a practice without doing it? then, it isn't needed in a practice and shouldn't be done.
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Post by zbessac on Apr 17, 2013 5:34:10 GMT -6
Our previous HC was fired for this. He was warned during games, several parents kept records on what he said and how he said it. I think the difference was he swore AT kids and thats why he was fired.
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Post by blb on Apr 17, 2013 5:49:19 GMT -6
I'm no Puritan and I do cuss at the situation some times - "Dammit!" or "Hell's Bells!" More often "Shoot!" or "Crap!"
Worst thing I call a kid is "knucklehead." But really there is no justification for it in scholastic sports, especially the F-word.
If somebody's out to get you for some reason (kid's PT, losing, etc.) this is a sure-fire way for them to do it. Don't give ammo to the enemy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2013 6:05:32 GMT -6
their is a whole political party looking to tell you what you can and cannot own, where you can and cannot go, what you can and cannot eat, and that they are more capable of raising your kids than you are...just food for thought when using the mound.
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Post by s73 on Apr 17, 2013 6:10:49 GMT -6
Cursing is the exception and not the rule for us. B/c I am not perfect it slips from time to time but we really try to stay away from it.
With that being said, I will usually drop a word or two let's say 1 minute before kick off in the end zone after the national anthem for example, only b/c saying let's get out their and kick some a$$ sounds a whole lot more GENUINE to me than let's kick some butt when trying to rile up some 17 year olds who are about to engage in controlled violence.
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Post by coach2013 on Apr 17, 2013 6:29:11 GMT -6
Seriously need myself and my staff not to curse ever. The chain crews love to criticize my coaching staff if they use a curse word. Theres always something for people to pick at and language is just one of those things that we can control.
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Post by emptybackfield on Apr 17, 2013 6:38:12 GMT -6
If there is cussing among coaches at practice, it makes it very difficult to punish players for cussing. You will get the example you set.
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Post by coachxo on Apr 17, 2013 6:46:22 GMT -6
Our staff makes an effort not to cuss, and we succeed most of the time. Our kids also make the effort, and see us making that effort. But they also know we often fall a little short of our goal. It is an expectation we strive for, but we strive to make every tackle and never miss a block...that doesn't always happen. When something slips, it actually serves as a little reminder to me that I'm not perfect...and neither are my kids. So when they screw up, I'm patient.
I've also done a few push-ups as well at practice for cursing! One coaching staff I know has a swear jar...every word has a value:
D - quarter A - quarter S - fifty cents Bi or Ba - 75 cents F - a dollar GD - ten dollars
Anything else a quarter haha
Kids and coaches have to do it...
Pays for more than a couple meals when they go to clinics, let me tell you!!!
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Post by newhope on Apr 17, 2013 6:59:08 GMT -6
Never direct profanity at a kid. I may use some colorful language from time to time....Friday nights, very colorful, never at a kid, but no telling what I may say to coaches over the headset.
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Post by Coach Bennett on Apr 17, 2013 7:28:41 GMT -6
Speaking for myself here but I find it difficult/hypocritical to run a disciplined ship if my staff and/or I are swearing. I look at swearing like yelling in the classroom. If I have to swear on the field or yell in the classroom to make a point or establish authority or [insert your objective], then I'm not a very effective coach or teacher.
That's not to say something hasn't slipped. If it does, I do push-ups just like we make our kids do for the same infraction.
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Post by newt21 on Apr 17, 2013 7:37:42 GMT -6
I fight tooth and nail not to cuss at all, much less in front of the kids. We're there not just to coach them, but also to set a positive example and if you're cussing (especially at them) then you're not being the leader that you should be or the leader that they need.
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Post by tmtfootball on Apr 17, 2013 7:47:05 GMT -6
I do my best to not swear in front of the players, however I certainly do swear. I will not swear at my players. Professionalism is a key for you to be respected by the players and the parents.
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Post by cqmiller on Apr 17, 2013 7:49:42 GMT -6
I have never swore AT a kid... dropping a cuss word like "Da_mit" or WTF at a situation is completely different than directing a curse word at a kid.
People swear... players and coaches are players... it is gonna happen. If you are making effort to say less, that is great, but IMO you gotta eliminate the 'bad' cussing and minimize the random
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Post by John Knight on Apr 17, 2013 8:30:05 GMT -6
Yeah, I am not allowed to say dam or he11 or even defication but they can play music over the PA pregame and every other word is pure vulgarity!
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Post by cqmiller on Apr 17, 2013 8:56:12 GMT -6
Around here people always substitute a word for the curse word, but to me the intent is what makes it wrong... here are some of the "utahn favorites"
"What the Fudge" "Flip you" "Dog gonnit" "cheese and rice" "shoot"
If you are gonna say, "What the Fudge!" we all know you are swearing and saying the other one. To me it is just the same. If I told my boss "screw you" instead of "f_c_ you", I would get just as fired and have the same consequences. Just one of my things that drives me nuts.
Official threw a 15 yarder on one of my kids because after my LB makes a big hit, my SS goes "hell ya... good hit". We got 15. Same official later in the game says, "What the flip coach... #25 is a dip-stick"
KILLING ME
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Post by mrjvi on Apr 17, 2013 8:56:42 GMT -6
I slip occasionally but never at a kid. I usually tell them that most of the people that swear all the time aren't intelligent enough to think of better words. Strangely they seem to respond to that.
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Post by mrjvi on Apr 17, 2013 8:59:57 GMT -6
I slip occasionally but never at a kid. I usually tell them that most of the people that swear all the time aren't intelligent enough to think of better words. Strangely they seem to respond to that.
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Post by bigm0073 on Apr 17, 2013 9:08:18 GMT -6
Here is a way to look at it.. I have a 5 year old son playing sports (Football, basketball and now T-Ball) and a 4 year old right after him...
Being a parent does change your perspective.
Now I am not comparing Varsity football to 5 year old T-Ball... BUT..
If my son was in high school and he said to me that his coach was dropping F-Bombs all the time in practice would I be ok with it? Would I have a problem with it as a parent? Not cursing at him and still cursing...
Being a parent kind of flips your perspective with regards to coaching... Stuff I did in my 20's are probably things I would not do today. I guess that could be said for most on this board.
Not to go on about this...
But any of us who are parents this might be a good way to measure our cussing in practice.
Thoughts?
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Post by fantom on Apr 17, 2013 9:09:12 GMT -6
I slip occasionally but never at a kid. I usually tell them that most of the people that swear all the time aren't intelligent enough to think of better words. Strangely they seem to respond to that. Why reinvent the wheel? Sometimes there just isn't a better word.
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Post by John Knight on Apr 17, 2013 9:10:57 GMT -6
I started out coaching with Terry Bowden. At FSU it was ddgummit this and that for everything. Means the same thing in my book. I don't think making up new curse words makes you look more intelligent or more religious. I have a friend that uses fudge just like I use the f word.
He is a good baptist though. You know what they say about Babtists, never take just one fishing with you, he will drink all your beer.
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Post by tribepride on Apr 17, 2013 9:27:38 GMT -6
Our staff rarely cusses during practice or games (no f-bombs, a & h words). Once in a great while a swear word or two will slip out when a lack of effort is occurring. Not directed at an individual player but the group as a whole. However, what myself and head coach say to each other during the game.....what is said on the headsets, stays on the headsets!
Interesting to see regional differences in the g-d word. $1 for an f-bomb and $10 for g-d word. In our community it would be the other way around!
On the parent issue. I have told my own children many times to get their a** moving and I dont think they are suffering or scared for life.
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Post by pvogel on Apr 17, 2013 9:37:52 GMT -6
I'm pretty good around kids. Really don't cuss much. And certainly never at a kid. And no fbombs or anything real bad. I tend to curse more jokingly than in seriousness.
But I did find that I was cussing too much at home. I'd keep it all inside and bottled up at school and then unload at home. Now, im single and dont have kids, but it was still bothering me. Found it harder to talk when I talked to my mom. So this last lent I "gave up" cursing. There were some slips, especially early, but it really helped change my speaking habits.
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Post by emptybackfield on Apr 17, 2013 9:40:00 GMT -6
Do you guys agree that this is totally out of the hands of assistant coaches? I can set an example, but the policy has to come from the HMFIC.
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