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Post by cqmiller on Jun 3, 2013 8:03:26 GMT -6
Anybody out there have an example of what weekends look like for the coaching staff at your school? Trying to get as much out of HUDL as we can, but don't want the weekend to be 48 hours of straight work for my assistant coaches. Currently it is looking like our schedule will be 7AM - Noon on Saturday, then the 90 minute gameplan meeting Sunday night. Full 30 hours between for them to do what they want as long as they get their scouting reports in to me so I can put together the full report for the kids. Do other staffs just have OC, DC, & HC work all weekend and position coaches not, or do people try to split the work out as evenly as possible?  |
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Post by robpike on Jun 3, 2013 8:44:11 GMT -6
Coach here is our weekend schedule. SAT 8:00 - 9:00 am coaches view film of previous night's game and discuss points to stress to team. Players who need to visit trainer do say at 8 as well 9:00 am team arrives to locker room for film 9:00 - 10:00 varsity views film - JV practice till 11:00 10:00 - 11:00 strength and conditioning. We usually run "sprints" at about 85% and then a maintenance lifting 11:00 - 12:00 Coaches discuss what needs to be addressed in practice next week. 1:00 -  ? Scout if there is a game to attend/ assistants do not have to go if they do not want to. On their own...Assistants breakdown film and prepare what I ask of them I am usually on the phone with O and D coordinators about game plan thoughts, but it is finalized on Sunday. SUN 10:00 am - about 12:30/1:00 - Staff meeting to set game plan and discuss practice schedule for week. Right now I am still planning on this schedule, but I like the idea of going sunday night to give coaches and me more time to digest scouting info. |
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Post by fantom on Jun 3, 2013 8:52:06 GMT -6
Unless we have to scout (frequently we do. There are a lot of Saturday games in our league.) we don't meet as a staff until Sunday at 5. All coaches are expected to have watched our game on HUDL. We divide up the data entry among position coaches which they do on their own at home. Coordinators work on scouting reports and game plans and bring in a tentative plan to the meeting. At the meeting we watch our game again as a staff and we finalize the game plan. Coordinators finish writing up the scouting report/game plan (we give each coach and player a paper offensive, defensive, and special teams game plan) and turn it in by noon Monday so that we can have them copied by the time players arrive for practice after school on Monday.
Neither the HC/OC nor I (the DC) like working with the full staff on the basic scouting and game planning. Personally I find it distracting. I like to be able to focus and do it better alone at home. In addition, many of the position coaches work outside of the school and some work weekends. I'm retired and football is my only job.
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Post by realdawg on Jun 3, 2013 8:57:22 GMT -6
Up until this year, we always met on Sunday afternoons. Before then, each coach would (on his own) review the film from Friday nights game grading his position, then start looking at the upcoming opponent on video (usually took until about lunch time Saturday, then all afternoon Sunday for the meeting). Last year we started meeting early Saturday morning. We'd come if, and eat together and discuss the night before. Then watch the game quickly as a staff looking for major problems. Then we would split up O/D and begin to watch opponent for the next week and break everything down. We would usually be totally done by 4 or so in the afternoon, except that I would go back and watch the last film more closely and grade my position. I liked this much better bc I felt like I still go Saturday nigh off and all day Sunday. The old way I felt like I never got a whole day off to spend with my family.
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Post by rsmith627 on Jun 3, 2013 9:11:32 GMT -6
Coach, ours looks very similar to yours. The problem for us is some of us assistants work harder and put in more time than others.
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Post by cqmiller on Jun 3, 2013 9:15:11 GMT -6
Coach, ours looks very similar to yours. The problem for us is some of us assistants work harder and put in more time than others. We had same issue with my assistants, so my wife did a lot of their work last couple years... I spread out the work so that position coaches can probably be done very quickly and the Coordinators do actually have more work, but not 99% of it like it has been the last few years. I have been OC, DC, and STC the last 2 years due to 'lack of time-commitment' from assistants. Some are starting to see that 99% of the work of a coordinator is done Sat - Thu and only 1% is calling plays on Friday night. They used to be under the impression that it was 1% Sat-Thu and 99% calling plays. Actually having some good meetings and support from those guys currently... |
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 3, 2013 9:16:38 GMT -6
We don't have HUDL but we go like this-
Saturday-
8am- I meet other coach to trade DVDs
9am-Noon- As a staff we meet. Watch our film first, then theirs. Discuss preliminary ideas, shoot the crap, etc. Usually done a little before noon, but noon is our cut off, go home time. DC and I take a copy of each trade film with each other.
Sunday-
Nothing. DC may call me about something he noticed, but overall we take this as a family day.
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Post by tog on Jun 3, 2013 10:08:01 GMT -6
Anybody out there have an example of what weekends look like for the coaching staff at your school? Trying to get as much out of HUDL as we can, but don't want the weekend to be 48 hours of straight work for my assistant coaches. Currently it is looking like our schedule will be 7AM - Noon on Saturday, then the 90 minute gameplan meeting Sunday night. Full 30 hours between for them to do what they want as long as they get their scouting reports in to me so I can put together the full report for the kids. Do other staffs just have OC, DC, & HC work all weekend and position coaches not, or do people try to split the work out as evenly as possible? for years and years ours was similar except we went to about 4pm on sat and came back at noon on sunday. Now we have pared it down some to one large session on Saturday with some on your own film time on Sunday with hudl. |
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Post by newhope on Jun 3, 2013 10:11:52 GMT -6
Saturday: This is our coach's day with their families. Everyone has film through HUDL and can watch.
Sunday: Our defensive coaches come in at 9:00 am (this is what they have done for years and this is what they like doing, so I did not change it when I came here).
The offensive staff comes in at 1:30 and we talk about things that apply to everyone and we do special teams.
Once that is done, defensive staff leaves and offensive staff stays for film, game planning, etc. We're usually done around 5:30 or 6:00.
Our players do not come in on Saturday or Sunday. The trade off is a long Monday for them with film and practice. This gives them more time with their families. It also prevents conflicts with family events, college games, etc. I prefer doing the film with them on Monday after we've done all of our film watching and game planning as a staff rather than on Saturday. It also gives our coaches a day off. Our players, parents and coaches all prefer doing it this way.
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Post by rsmith627 on Jun 3, 2013 10:13:48 GMT -6
Coach, ours looks very similar to yours. The problem for us is some of us assistants work harder and put in more time than others. We had same issue with my assistants, so my wife did a lot of their work last couple years... I spread out the work so that position coaches can probably be done very quickly and the Coordinators do actually have more work, but not 99% of it like it has been the last few years. I have been OC, DC, and STC the last 2 years due to 'lack of time-commitment' from assistants. Some are starting to see that 99% of the work of a coordinator is done Sat - Thu and only 1% is calling plays on Friday night. They used to be under the impression that it was 1% Sat-Thu and 99% calling plays. Actually having some good meetings and support from those guys currently... In all fairness, I am co-coordinating the offense with the HC. Being his main guy in the building has kept me overwhelmed as well. This year I have some OL assistants, so I am hoping I can trust them to help break down some film for us so that I can actually have some time over the weekend. Even if I just can get a guy to input down, distance, and result, that would save me tremendous time. My biggest problem is I work too hard and am usually the first one to get into Hudl and do things because I need time to wind down after the game on Friday night. There is no way I can just go to bed. |
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Post by blb on Jun 3, 2013 10:22:02 GMT -6
Our players and coaches are off on Saturday unless Varsity assistants want to watch game (get copy immediately after) and-or trade film (get from me).
I make film exchange Saturday morning and break down opponents (except Special Teams) until we meet Sunday from 3-5 pm. At that time I go over Scouting Report, proposed preliminary Game Plans, and we watch the scout films (getting STs) plus last year's game if helpful.
Players come in to watch Friday's game and some of opponents from 5-7 pm.
We do not do tendency print outs or written scouting reports-game plans.
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Post by coachbdud on Jun 3, 2013 12:10:48 GMT -6
ours generally looks like this
Saturday morning we come in at 8 and review our game together for an hour (most of us have watched it at home once)
9 - the kids come in do a brief workout
then we show the kids film of our game
we usually dont get film traded until late morning/noonish on saturday
rest of saturday is off to be with family, each coach is expected to watch the opponent's game film at least once after I upload it
myself, HC, and DC will have a full breakdown
Sunday we meet as a staff, usually in the afternoon at a coach's house ... coordinators present their breakdown and gameplan for the week
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Post by gators1422 on Jun 3, 2013 13:08:15 GMT -6
We have a staff of 6 main coaches. We usually view our film after the game on friday, also take a copy with us. Usually receive opponents film Saturday morning. Most coaches take a look at them on their own as we are off Saturday. Sunday we come in at 1 after church and go until 6 regular season, whenever in the playoffs. We get a overall feel for the opponents offense so we can draw scout team cards. Me and our DC then breakdown every film on hudl mon-wed so we can print out the hit chart for them on wed afternoon /Thursday morning. We think its easier dor them to know what they are reading after they have actually seen it. Plus it gives us time to get it finished.
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Post by s73 on Jun 3, 2013 15:46:23 GMT -6
We go 9-noon on Saturdays as a staff. Together we break down opponents and discuss defensive game plan. I develop offensive game plan on my own during/ between college games/ napping and mauling available snacks.
Staff & myself are on our own to break down our game and expected to do so before Monday (cards and all).
No kids either day. I find them distracting. They have film watching requirements by Monday as well.
Hudl has saved much time IMHO.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2013 16:26:20 GMT -6
BURN HIM AT THE STAKE!!!!! BLASPHEMER!!!!! Lol, just kidding... Duece |
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 3, 2013 19:34:36 GMT -6
BURN HIM AT THE STAKE!!!!! BLASPHEMER!!!!! Lol, just kiding... Duece Tell me about it. When I tell some people that they look at me like I have a third eye or something. Don't get me wrong, it's a cool toy. But when you have a school provided budget of $3000, it seems wrong to spend half of it on a toy for me and the staff. Add in that no other team in our confererence has it and its a no brainer. Besides, I'm enough of a contrarian to just never get it because people tell me how much I need it. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 3, 2013 20:10:05 GMT -6
One thing to consider here to is that there may be some VALUE in longer days, group discussion, even if it has some wasted BS time. Some valuable nuggets may be in that grizzled vet's war story rambling. Some value may come from longer yet inefficient group breakdown sessions and game planning, as opposed to the "you guys go home, I will do this myself" scenarios I read about. Much like the thread on trying to eliminate drawing up scout cards, I do think there is a great deal of value and learning that can come from longer ...yet inefficent..weekend sessions.
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Post by John Knight on Jun 3, 2013 20:11:11 GMT -6
Headsets are a gimmick and hudl is a toy? You still handing out salt tablets?
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Post by holmesbend on Jun 3, 2013 20:57:05 GMT -6
No practice or team film over the weekend.
Staff wise, we split it up as far as the breakdown on Hudl. I'm the HC & DC, so I take care of 99% of that end of the game plan. Myself, our OC and our OL coach usually meet up at the field house for 2-3 hrs tops on Sunday evenings. I know several that still do the long, marathon Sunday staff meetings, but I don't know if it's actually worth it or if they just do it b/c of the perception it gives off (or doesn't give if not meeting that long). It's like my grandpa and dad have said (both with 30 +/- a couple years in this business), the marathon weekend meetings use to be due to necessity. One film, so everybody had to get together to watch it....obviously not the case these days with Hudl (or even those that still burn DVD's).
Personally, the only way I can watch film for any length of time is by myself. It's a focus thing for me. I was like that in my college playing days and have been the same way in my 9 years of coaching.
We do a lot of film work on Monday with the older kids since most of the others are gone to JV games. Out of our 40 or so 9-12 (rural/county school here in KY of about 700), 25-27 of them go to JV, so we get a lot of our film/mental work in on Monday's. When/if our numbers get up (Junior class of only 3 kids kind of holds things down in that department), then we might have to adjust the weekend schedule when we start having more bodies to actually have a meaningful practice on Monday's.
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Post by holmesbend on Jun 3, 2013 20:58:30 GMT -6
We go 9-noon on Saturdays as a staff. Together we break down opponents and discuss defensive game plan. I develop offensive game plan on my own during/ between college games/ napping and mauling available snacks. Staff & myself are on our own to break down our game and expected to do so before Monday (cards and all). No kids either day. I find them distracting. They have film watching requirements by Monday as well. Hudl has saved much time IMHO. Speaking my language. |
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Post by 60zgo on Jun 3, 2013 22:55:43 GMT -6
Around here(South Louisiana) we trade three games. The first two are usually traded on Wednesday, so we just kinda break them down Thursday throughout the day. Fridays game is traded immediatley after the game, and we break that down the next morning. So our weekend looks like this usually...
Sat:
8-10 Break down and discuss the previous nights film. Go over mistakes and what needs to be addressed through film/practice.
10-12: Kids come in for film and a light workout.
12-1: Lunch
1-till: Break down the opponent, game plan, draw scout cards, etc...
Sun: Off
And honestly, the older I get I feel like the kids don't need to come in at all.
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Post by coachbdud on Jun 3, 2013 23:05:16 GMT -6
And honestly, the older I get I feel like the kids don't need to come in at all. I am really starting to agree with this. The fact is after a Friday night game we don't leave the school until after 10, usually 11 if it is a far away game The kid's go out with friends, or at the very least get a bite to eat... I would be amazed 3/4 of them were home before midnight, let alone asleep then we bring them in really early the next morning, after they beat themselves up (or got beat up) the night before Their attention span is almost nothing, most of our coaches haven't adequately reviewed film, it is hard to watch film with the entire team at once because each position needs it's own separate emphasis and meeting in my opinion. It is something we do, but I think it is one of those deals where the grinders out there decide to do it thinking it gives an advantage at the elite level programs, watching a ton of film probably does win/lose games, but I think for 90% of us WE put way too much stock in to it compared to what the kids really get out of it and from a coaching perspective having 7 day work days all season long starts to grind on you... I can't imagine doing the saturday and sunday meetings if I had a wife at home nagging me |
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 3, 2013 23:09:59 GMT -6
Headsets are a gimmick and hudl is a toy? You still handing out salt tablets? It's amazing I can walk upright. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 3, 2013 23:11:35 GMT -6
I can't imagine doing the saturday and sunday meetings if I had a wife at home nagging me The key is to find one that doesn't nag. |
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Post by coach2013 on Jun 4, 2013 2:12:45 GMT -6
Sunday is the Sabboth day, no football staff meetings or requirement to watch film. Its my belief that giving everyone Sundays off is good for Morale. Even NFL guys get one day off a week. Sunday is our day off. Its a day where kids can do all of their homework, study, get to church, help out around the house, watch nfl football and so on. Our staff is encouraged to get to know their family on Sunday. I just try to get to Church, spend some time with the family and watch the NFL while also watching our game film again. Sometimes we get film swap done on Sundays. "game planning" is coach speak to me. We dont really do things all that different from week to week, we do what we do. I worry far more about us, our performance, than I do the other guys.
Saturdays are 9-noon for the team. That means watching film as a team, lifting weights and running. We do all of our weekly awards on Sat so when a kid has excuses to miss Sat (and in my experience, Sat practices are the hardest on kids) they miss awards.
We sometimes play JV on saturdays as well and that interferes with all of the above.
As the HC I watch film all night friday into saturday unless we got beat so bad that it just not worth it. Honestly, I dont care if I get any sleep at all. I try to get two or three hours maybe. We focus on just a small handful of things to improve each week because honestly, Ill have 8 pages of notes from the film just watching it alone. I expect my assistants to watch film on their own, I am not convinced they do it nearly as intense as youd expect but not everyone wants to be a HC nowadays. That said, I just tell my assistants what to fix for the week.
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Post by s73 on Jun 4, 2013 5:43:28 GMT -6
And honestly, the older I get I feel like the kids don't need to come in at all. I am really starting to agree with this. The fact is after a Friday night game we don't leave the school until after 10, usually 11 if it is a far away game The kid's go out with friends, or at the very least get a bite to eat... I would be amazed 3/4 of them were home before midnight, let alone asleep then we bring them in really early the next morning, after they beat themselves up (or got beat up) the night before Their attention span is almost nothing, most of our coaches haven't adequately reviewed film, it is hard to watch film with the entire team at once because each position needs it's own separate emphasis and meeting in my opinion. It is something we do, but I think it is one of those deals where the grinders out there decide to do it thinking it gives an advantage at the elite level programs, watching a ton of film probably does win/lose games, but I think for 90% of us WE put way too much stock in to it compared to what the kids really get out of it and from a coaching perspective having 7 day work days all season long starts to grind on you... I can't imagine doing the saturday and sunday meetings if I had a wife at home nagging me The fact of the matter for ME is similar to what you are saying. Earlier in my career I brought the kids in b/c that's what you're "supposed to do". At least in my experience anyway. Not taking issue w/ anyone who does this at all, just felt like it wasn't working for me. The main problem I had w/ bringing kids in for film was really 3 fold. First, if we lost, I would eventually blow up during film b/c some kid or position group would do something they were told not to do all week. Now, low morale from losing would be even lower. Or.... we would win and the kids that were not comatose from the night before would be giddy and not paying real close attention b/c they would be making comments about this highlight or that highlight, and eventually I'd end up yelling b/c they weren't paying attention. Now, they're getting yelled at after a win and morale would feel weird b/c they played well and still got yelled at for not FOCUSING during the film session. Or... worst of all, a kid who doesn't play b/c he's flat out not good enough regardless of how much film he watches is falling asleep b/c the writings on the wall that he ain't gettin' in and I'd get upset w/ that kid, but what can you do? Punish him for not watching himself stand on the sideline? Again, no issue w/ those who feel team film is important. This is just MY perspective. Now, we don't bring kids in, make honest comments and assessments amongst our selves b/c no kids are there to hear them, and I feel like they get the sleep they need after a long night. It also keeps morale high and the "fence riders" (kids who were on the fence about playing FB in the 1st place, but bodies you need out there) generally stick it out. Furthermore, since we stopped bringing in kids and shortening our work load for coaches, we have been more successful. I find this to be most important. It will not work for every staff and respect others who do it differently, but this works for us. What we don't get done me and my DC take care of separately and make sure it is done by Monday. PS - Before hudl we still stopped bringing kids in but OUR workday was much longer. Again, I respect all who do it differently. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 4, 2013 6:09:57 GMT -6
Even NFL guys get one day off a week. Players...not coaches. |
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Post by blb on Jun 4, 2013 6:19:57 GMT -6
The last thing I want to do right after the game Friday is watch the film.
So no way am I ready to view it with kids Saturday morning in any kind of meaningful, productive manner.
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Post by fantom on Jun 4, 2013 6:54:29 GMT -6
The last thing I want to do right after the game Friday is watch the film. So no way am I ready to view it with kids Saturday morning in any kind of meaningful, productive manner. I really don't understand what good it does to watch the film with the kids before watching it as a coaching staff. I also like to have some separation from the emotion of the game. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2013 7:58:18 GMT -6
I'm of this nature too, and it's why we do it in our "football class" (glorified PE for varsity players) on Mondays. The only reason I bring the kids in on Saturdays is if their extra curricular on Friday nights is beginning to have an effect on them (i.e. drinking and partying after games). Only takes one Saturday with me to run that "Nectar of the Gods" right out of em', and then we don't have much of a problem after that. I agree that film study Saturday morning is usually wasted and it's why I went away from it.
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? Scout if there is a game to attend/ assistants do not have to go if they do not want to.
