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Post by joelee on Mar 29, 2013 11:21:39 GMT -6
How many of you have some form of in school conditioning class, or team sports or whatever you might call it? My school is looking at adding this but we want to dot the I's and cross the T's. We want to know what form your school has and how you do it and who teaches it?
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Post by Chris Clement on Mar 29, 2013 11:36:41 GMT -6
It's easier to sell as an extension of regular gym class than if you call it a "football class."
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Post by sweep26 on Mar 29, 2013 12:53:00 GMT -6
Most schools in Florida offer this type of class. If the head football coach isn't the designated instructor, he is present in the weight room, etc.
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Mar 29, 2013 13:00:12 GMT -6
Every year I ask - every year I get told no...
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Post by spreadattack on Mar 29, 2013 13:23:46 GMT -6
If any of you do teach a football class, I can think of a pretty good textbook.
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Mar 29, 2013 13:40:10 GMT -6
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Post by keysersoze on Mar 29, 2013 15:53:03 GMT -6
I volunteered to have a Zero Period Football class. It doesn't cost the school anything and giving the kids credit for AM lifting helps get more kids out. Also, having it as a football class allows you to do sport specific stuff like o line drills, 7 on 7, etc.
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Mar 30, 2013 0:06:33 GMT -6
I volunteered to have a Zero Period Football class. It doesn't cost the school anything and giving the kids credit for AM lifting helps get more kids out. Also, having it as a football class allows you to do sport specific stuff like o line drills, 7 on 7, etc. So you volunteer as in do not get paid, but the kids still get credit? How does that work?
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Post by realdawg on Mar 30, 2013 5:26:23 GMT -6
We have 2. 1st and 2nd period. It used to be 3rd and 4th but we switched it to give our kids recovery time before practices in the afternoon. We have 2 coaches who teach our wt. lifting classes. Also have baseball wt training, and girls athletic wt training. All during the school day
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Post by keysersoze on Mar 30, 2013 10:49:23 GMT -6
I volunteered to have a Zero Period Football class. It doesn't cost the school anything and giving the kids credit for AM lifting helps get more kids out. Also, having it as a football class allows you to do sport specific stuff like o line drills, 7 on 7, etc. So you volunteer as in do not get paid, but the kids still get credit? How does that work? I have other responsibilities at the school where I work, so I don't teach a full load making this an easy add. However, in the past we had AM lifting and no one got paid, and no one received credit. My thought was that if I was going to do it anyway, and having it as a class would increase buy-in and commitment by the players. I like the Zero Period idea because it forces the kids to be committed.
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Post by fballcoachg on Mar 30, 2013 11:03:21 GMT -6
So you volunteer as in do not get paid, but the kids still get credit? How does that work? I have other responsibilities at the school where I work, so I don't teach a full load making this an easy add. Â However, in the past we had AM lifting and no one got paid, and no one received credit. Â My thought was that if I was going to do it anyway, and having it as a class would increase buy-in and commitment by the players. Â I like the Zero Period idea because it forces the kids to be committed. How do you deal with transportation for your bus riders?
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Post by jgordon1 on Mar 30, 2013 11:26:59 GMT -6
Our school has what I think is a unique idea and might be an easier sell to admin....We have a class called advanced PE..within advanced PE, you get a choice of 3 classes..weightlifting, yoga/aerobics or outdoor adventure...I don't know the exact specifics, but the lifting class is open to ALL students...I know they really lift in there as I saw a video of a kid FULL squating 500..BTW, the outdoor class sounds really cool, they take the kids on a camping trip, fishing trip, orienteering, archery and a few other things..as with anything, the courses are only as good as the instructor and how seriously they take it
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Post by mariner42 on Mar 30, 2013 11:49:48 GMT -6
0 Period varsity FB 1st period JV FB 2nd period Frosh PE "Contact Sports" - This one is written up as a freshman PE course that's designed to prepare them for playing a contact sport with an emphasis on safety and injury prevention.
The HC teaches those 3 and 3 regular weightlifting PE classes for a 1.2 FTE schedule. He's got it made.
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Mar 30, 2013 13:31:28 GMT -6
0 Period varsity FB 1st period JV FB 2nd period Frosh PE "Contact Sports" - This one is written up as a freshman PE course that's designed to prepare them for playing a contact sport with an emphasis on safety and injury prevention. The HC teaches those 3 and 3 regular weightlifting PE classes for a 1.2 FTE schedule. He's got it made. FREAKIN BLANK
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Post by keysersoze on Mar 30, 2013 13:46:34 GMT -6
I have other responsibilities at the school where I work, so I don't teach a full load making this an easy add. However, in the past we had AM lifting and no one got paid, and no one received credit. My thought was that if I was going to do it anyway, and having it as a class would increase buy-in and commitment by the players. I like the Zero Period idea because it forces the kids to be committed. How do you deal with transportation for your bus riders? They have to make it there on their own. It's not perfect, but we're not in a position to create a football only class during the day at this point and this was the best option.
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Post by tigercoach11 on Mar 30, 2013 13:56:39 GMT -6
We do...small school (~150 9-12)...the problem we run into is that it has to be an elective not a PE credit so freshmen cant take it do to the other classes they need. I think they should be the #1 priority as well as 10-11 graders. Seniors almost always take the class but they usually try to lose interest after football season, hwoever, most of them play other sports so I work them just as hard no matter their level of "senioritis".
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Post by fballcoachg on Mar 30, 2013 16:49:25 GMT -6
How do you deal with transportation for your bus riders? They have to make it there on their own. It's not perfect, but we're not in a position to create a football only class during the day at this point and this was the best option. If they can get there more power to you, understand it's not perfect, heck if any of us had the perfect scenario we'd be paid! If it can be swung, I like the way mariner42 school does it, that way the onus is on the upper classmen, you take care of your underclassmen in school and train the frosh. We run in to the same issue with getting our 9th graders in, it's technically an elective. I really like jgordon's set up as well for the school as a whole. More kids would be apt to participate (you'd think) if they had different options.
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Post by mariner42 on Mar 31, 2013 14:07:39 GMT -6
0 Period varsity FB 1st period JV FB 2nd period Frosh PE "Contact Sports" - This one is written up as a freshman PE course that's designed to prepare them for playing a contact sport with an emphasis on safety and injury prevention. The HC teaches those 3 and 3 regular weightlifting PE classes for a 1.2 FTE schedule. He's got it made. FREAKIN BLANK He's got it worked out that he's going to 'retire' in a few years, but in reality he'll just ditch the regular weightlifting classes and keep the 3 FB classes and HC position. The moral of the story here is that when you have 5 championship rings, you really can write your own ticket.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2013 14:46:04 GMT -6
The HFCs at both HS in our county get to teach a "Bodybuilding" class which counts as a PE elective credit that kids can repeat as many times as they like. It's not exclusive to football players, nor is there any actual football going on in there (our state has a bunch of annoying rules about that), but it's really a weightlifting class for football players. We're on block schedule with a tiny weightroom, so there are 3 of them a day, 5 days a week, with about 20-25 kids in each. A little over half of those are football players. The rest of the class is made up of kids who want to take it or borderline-dropout students who guidance slots in there to give them an easy class.
This is literally the HFCs only teaching responsibility. He usually just sits back and BSes with players or works on football stuff while the kids lift or loaf. We don't even hold before or after school workouts because our HC doesn't want to be at the school any longer than he has to be and he figures if kids are serious, they'll sign up. We do not get to use this as a full fledged athletic period for practice during the season, however.
We have about 85% participation among the 2nd semester Freshmen-Junior players. Its pretty good to us in terms of gains. The only annoying things are that first semester freshmen can't take it due to scheduling issues, and during the season we have to be careful not to wear our guys out in the weightroom before a game. Also, with the state now requiring more Math and Science classes to graduate, and our district piling on an additional required Freshman English class and squeezing out electives in favor of test prep classes, its getting harder and harder for kids to work it into their schedule.
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Mar 31, 2013 19:22:58 GMT -6
we had it at my old school first hour, but by the time i became head coach they had done away with it because students abused it and they didn;t have the head coach in charge of it. Funny no district championships there since they did away with it. Credits were the excuse they gave me for not bringing it back. but that is just bs
Here at my current school we have first hour weightlifing, mainly 8th graders and a few hs girls take it. And we have 6th hour weight lifting, all but 2 football players were in it this year, and all baseball, track , and all but 4 basketball players (Roys) are currently in. We are a small school (240).
It works great. And I have said before on here we lift 5 days a week ALL YEAR, on game day too. But they were so bad when we got here we had to, we had to shock the kids the parents and community do get them back winning.
In-season: All players lift at 7 in the morning in the lockeroom no later then 6:45. And we watch film with the football players 6th hour and the off season basektball, baseball, softnall etc kids lift, the softball and girls basketball coach runs it then.
off-season: back to 6th hour lifting and the basektebll teams then come in at 7 in the morning. Same now that it is baseball season with the baseball players.
Last hour we all run/speed train, then go to our sport. This only takes 30 minutes so we are back in the dressing room bu 2:45 and then out on the field for practice at 3:05-3:20 depending on film, chalk talk, or things like that.
That being said we are about to change to 3 days lifting in the summer. It will be open the other 2 for the kids that want to be great and be winners or if a another sports coach wants them there the other 2 days. In fact our school board just passed if a student wants to be involved in athletics they must lift at Least 3 days a week as this is an extension of their sports practice and conditioning.
This has helped us so much. So much that we were named the 2012 BFS National School of the Year.
hope this helps
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Post by newhope on Apr 4, 2013 16:23:36 GMT -6
Advanced PE. Only those approved get in--we give guidance a list. Non football players take weight training during other periods. One of our coaches teaches the class. It's weight training and conditioning.agility. It's a must....to me, non-negotiable in taking a job as HFCS. Schools offer AP Calculus, Ap Government, Dance, Or Hester's, etc...so why not a class for those who want to lift and develop themselves beyond that of an regular student?
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Apr 7, 2013 12:46:53 GMT -6
I volunteered to have a Zero Period Football class. It doesn't cost the school anything and giving the kids credit for AM lifting helps get more kids out. Also, having it as a football class allows you to do sport specific stuff like o line drills, 7 on 7, etc. We have the same thing. Zero hour advanced weight training and conditioning. They get credit, I volunteer. Next year I might get some compensation for it (I don't care either way, our principal- who will be our Sup. thinks I should receive something for it... more of a CYA measure than anything, I guess). We are also trying to get another similar class during the day (for freshmen and those who live way out and generally do not drive in). I am in my first year in this school- prior to this there was no athletic weight lifting class... they have a weights/team sports class. The guy who does that is not interested in the weights part, so they basically go in and play around on the equipment. We went from 0 in the weight room to 30 (22 in 0 hour, 8 or so who lift after school). Now we are also getting in the 8th graders 2 days a week, so we have almost all of our guys getting in. At every school I've been at, it started this way. Once we got going, then we were able to get some of those classes in during the regular school day. Basically we had to: 1) make it available to all athletes- not just FB, 2) have a course description and outline, just as we would with any other course and 3) have a certified (PE) person teach it. We basically lift (3 or 4 days) and do speed, agility and plyometric work on the other days.
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Post by Underdeveloped on Apr 7, 2013 12:51:14 GMT -6
I teach in a school with block scheduling. Periods are 1:25 long. They allow everyone in the class (i mean everyone) we have very small facility (10 foot platform by 50 foot and each class has 30 kids. We circuit train most days (due to difficulty of space) i have been told no everyyear when asking about just athletes in class. They are building a new facility though
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Post by holmesbend on Apr 7, 2013 16:25:09 GMT -6
We have 4. Athletes only. Being a relatively small school and a rural one at that, we have to have most of our best athletes being multi sport. Our school has always done well in that aspect, problem was, these kids were constantly playing/practicing and never lifting....so, these classes got implemented 3 years ago. The best part? Our strength and conditioning football coach is the teacher.
So...after school weights in the offseason is about 85% incoming frosh (who aren't in a spring or winter sport), 10% current frosh (who aren't in other sports) and less than a handful of upperclassmen who couldn't work the weight class into their schedule (every year, a couple of these are usually first time players).
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Post by coachbb on Apr 7, 2013 17:35:20 GMT -6
Here in Texas we have an athletic period. It serves as a PE replacement.
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Post by CS on Apr 7, 2013 17:54:16 GMT -6
Here in Texas we have an athletic period. It serves as a PE replacement. Same here in Arkansas
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Post by 42falcon on Apr 7, 2013 21:56:16 GMT -6
We have a class called sports performance or exercise science kids (not all just football players) take it. The teacher in charge teaches it at the school I coach at it's the track coach who does it. We still run weight room on top of this.
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Post by coach2013 on Apr 8, 2013 2:25:39 GMT -6
"Advanced PE" is a better course title than "weight training" and so on because, in my experience, "weight training" will become a dumping ground for kids with issues.
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Post by shields on Apr 8, 2013 3:55:00 GMT -6
No matter the course name, guidance has been an issue everywhere I've been as far as dumping kids into the class. I've been at my current school three years and we still do not live in a perfect world. The football players are mixed into three classes (block schedule) spread throughout the day. We "work with" guidance once class rosters come out to "get rid" of the kids we don't think should be in there. (If a kid shows he will work, he can stay even if he isn't an athlete, but we push for the athletes to take the course.) The first ten days (drop-add period), we make the class a living hell in an attempt "run off" those that will not take the class seriously.
I can say it's not a perfect system, but the kids love the class and we are able to focus on building athleticism and we are getting good strength gains.
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Post by coach2013 on Apr 8, 2013 5:27:36 GMT -6
I never found block schedules conducive to consistent workouts and gains. I really prefer a set schedule before school - then I can control whos there too- its open to everyone but if anyone acts "a fool" they wont be welcome back on my time.
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