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Post by morgs23 on Apr 8, 2013 12:46:03 GMT -6
Coaches was wondering what some of you do to recruit players with in your school or youth programs. Our numbers are dropping and looking for some ideas on how to convince some players to come out for the team.
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Post by Underdeveloped on Apr 8, 2013 22:51:50 GMT -6
Way too difficult to answer this question without more info. Truthfully I am not sure you can provide what info we would need. In a nut shell i believe it comes down to your "likability " your "ability to be trusted" your atmosphere created at practice and in the weight room. Always other factors but it is much easier to self check. I would focus on creating a better bond with younger teams... mighty mites, jr. High etc...
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Post by shields on Apr 9, 2013 3:38:37 GMT -6
We are on a block schedule. For Spring Semester I ask to have third period planning. I make it a point to visit the cafeteria for every lunch multiple times per week. I speak to or visit with every able body male in the school. I talk to our kids about the power of peer pressure and we always end workouts asking the players to bring a friend. I visit with the faculty and ask them if they have any male students I should know about to please send them my way toward the end of class. I don't "give up" on a kid that's quit in the past. Football is not for everybody. I continue to speak to those kids out in the halls. I constantly comb the halls during class changes. I pop in and out of the bathrooms looking for players. I attend basketball, wrestling, baseball and track practices to ensure I am not missing anyone. If a male takes any of my classes, I have a solid semester to work on them. I'll take a flat football and place it on their desk for them to look at all period long several times each week. However, in the end, likability and trust get them out there.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Apr 10, 2013 6:27:06 GMT -6
I'm the dean, so if you misbehave and are reasonable we probably get to know each other and build trust. If you misbehave and you aren't reasonable we probably won't make it work any way. So the real turds don't even come out for the team.
We notoriously work hard and dirty (we do our conditioning in dirt) and our weight room has no AC so you've got to really want it. Show up 1 second late and I throw you out, take 1 extra second to tie your shoes, and I throw you out of the workout.
I can't get 'baseball guys' and 'basketball guys' to stick around much. No AC, no 'free throw practice' ironman football and high tempo and expectations aren't good for most Gen iY kids.
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Post by rsmith627 on Apr 10, 2013 7:17:54 GMT -6
Thanks for bringing up this topic. We are going into year 2 of a rebuild and probably should be more aggressive in the hallways, but really haven't been. I don't want to hijack the thread, but coaches, do you think recruiting the halls is even worthwhile? We did it really aggressively last year, and probably got 30 or so kids to come out that weren't planning to originally. We might have finished with 5 of those kids that we got to come up. At that rate, is it even worth the time and effort?
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Post by blb on Apr 10, 2013 7:28:53 GMT -6
Thanks for bringing up this topic. We are going into year 2 of a rebuild and probably should be more aggressive in the hallways, but really haven't been. I don't want to hijack the thread, but coaches, do you think recruiting the halls is even worthwhile? We did it really aggressively last year, and probably got 30 or so kids to come out that weren't planning to originally. We might have finished with 5 of those kids that we got to come up. At that rate, is it even worth the time and effort? No
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 10, 2013 7:33:46 GMT -6
I guess that depends on how much those five contributed to the team and how much hassle the other 25 cost you.
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Post by 42falcon on Apr 10, 2013 8:51:06 GMT -6
Background here I am at a school that is going into year 3. We started with our grade 10 class and have moved with them now into their G12 year (2013-2014). So this is right in our wheelhouse.
1) recruiting the halls is it worth it? YES. You will find some bodies that need to be playing who have yet to get out there. Will you get some duds yes, but you may get a stud as well. We pulled a starting LB, OL, DB out of the halls last season never played a down before. So far this season I found our G10 RB who never played, 2 OL and 1 DL. One of the OL has played for 6 years (youth) as a center just never thought about coming out...
2) How we do it is less intrusive / time intensive than you. We have taken the approach of great advertising. During weight room we scout the other sports practices (Basketball & Rugby which starts inside) we ID athletes there that are not yet playing then start with our players approaching them to play. Then in May we get up the posters and videos on the screens in the school. We get the flashiest nicest stuff out there to get them going. We ensure our spirit packs that kids get have more, and more expensive high end clothing. We have signage in the "team room" that all sports use that is specific to football and about our culture it never comes down! Lastly as we near the sign up / meeting date for spring camp we flyer the halls after school one day.
Last season we ended the year with about 40 and we brought 70 to camp.
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Post by Coach Bennett on Apr 10, 2013 10:51:10 GMT -6
I recruit the hallways every chance I get.
It's a lot of work with minimal results but well worth it when you get the kid that contributes. Our starting guard next year is a farm kid who played his first year last year as a junior. When I asked him if lifted, he replied, "does 300 bales of hay per day count?"
For kids that most would consider on the fringes, I remind them that football is a game where you get to hit someone without getting in trouble; there's a gleam in the eye of about 1 in 10.
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Post by fantom on Apr 10, 2013 14:03:23 GMT -6
Thanks for bringing up this topic. We are going into year 2 of a rebuild and probably should be more aggressive in the hallways, but really haven't been. I don't want to hijack the thread, but coaches, do you think recruiting the halls is even worthwhile? We did it really aggressively last year, and probably got 30 or so kids to come out that weren't planning to originally. We might have finished with 5 of those kids that we got to come up. At that rate, is it even worth the time and effort? Five a year is 20 over a four year span. Remember, every time you get a kid you've also potentially recruited his little brother, cousins, and friends.
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Post by 42falcon on Apr 10, 2013 18:10:49 GMT -6
We also saw it this way. If we have 70+ kids who come to the football spring camp (1 week) and 40-50 stick around because they buy in and see this is for them. That means if we have done this right the rest of the kids that don't stick had a great experience and got to know us the players and the game of football. In the fall those are the kids who then see this as something cool. They are more apt to come to games and support the team. It helps to build the program so to speak. The first year we were there we got rag tag kids that couldn't hold a tuba let alone make a tackle. Those guys are gone now I can say we don't have a single one on the team. But they all say "Hi coach, how's the team?" each time I see them.
Building your program is as much about the on field product as it is about creating a school culture around football.
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Post by thehoodie on Apr 10, 2013 21:49:42 GMT -6
Make football special in your school. A few things that we've done to do that this spring to boost our numbers:
1. Team Camp in June. We're going to the Linfield Team Camp in Oregon this year. We've never gone to a team camp before. When we announced that we were going to Oregon this Spring, we got at least 5-10 athletes (bball and track stars).
2. Football display case. Neglected for 2 years, over spring break I made up a nice team plaque of our 2012 varsity team, and put up some nice pictures of the team from 2012. Got a couple of older helmets, shined them up, spruced up some nice cleats, and a signed game ball from 2012. Now, it doesn't look like our football program died 2 years ago, and instead, everytime I pass by the display case now, kids are looking inside it.
3. Website and twitter update. I redid our website completely, and made it more attractive and functional. I update it every few days with news, schedule updates, shout outs. I also created a team twitter for the players and parents to follow. I've seen our players retweet stuff all the time, and a few tweets have gone viral.
4. New swag. We are buying every Varsity player a new helmet this Spring. Firstly, for safety reasons to replace our old stock. Secondly, we're getting the matte finish, and redoing our logo. We just did helmet fitting, and there is a buzz in the whole school about the helmets.
5. Fundraise like crazy. We did a manure sale, and are getting ready for our bottle drive. We got money from our PAC for the helmets. As they say, money can't buy happiness, but it sure as heck buys a lot of stuff that people like, such as new helmets, cool sprit pack, etc...
And we just found out that an alumni of our school is donating a new scoreboard and will be installed in the summer, in time for friday night games in the fall.
In summary, try to make football special in your school. Will it rub some of the other sport coaches in your school the wrong way?? Probably (our head basketball coach had to post recruiting posters for next year, the first time in 15 years). But I always tell everyone that football IS special, and that if you want to a part of something special, better get on the bandwagon...
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Post by newballcoach on Apr 11, 2013 8:00:44 GMT -6
I have found that one of my most effective methods has been requesting to teach grade 9 physical education classes in the first semester. That gives me the ability to find out who the best athletes are at that age group and get them out for football.
I also do a ton of work with grade 8 visits and parents nights to promote our program.
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Post by cqmiller on Apr 11, 2013 8:27:51 GMT -6
Thanks for bringing up this topic. We are going into year 2 of a rebuild and probably should be more aggressive in the hallways, but really haven't been. I don't want to hijack the thread, but coaches, do you think recruiting the halls is even worthwhile? We did it really aggressively last year, and probably got 30 or so kids to come out that weren't planning to originally. We might have finished with 5 of those kids that we got to come up. At that rate, is it even worth the time and effort? It is very frustrating coach... trust me, you and I have had this conversation before... we are going through the same issues as your school. We get the same thing. Luckily for us, we got a kid last year who may end up being our #1 RB this season, at worst #2. Will be a junior. My assistants are good at tracking kids in halls, and I have the counselors on-board, so any kids they have to 'deal with' that they think could use the structure of football they send to me. I generally have a rule for spring... For every 100 kids on my 'list' we will end up with about 75 of them. We keep searching for that 'diamond in the rough', but haven't found one (yet)
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Post by rsmith627 on Apr 11, 2013 11:18:15 GMT -6
Thanks for bringing up this topic. We are going into year 2 of a rebuild and probably should be more aggressive in the hallways, but really haven't been. I don't want to hijack the thread, but coaches, do you think recruiting the halls is even worthwhile? We did it really aggressively last year, and probably got 30 or so kids to come out that weren't planning to originally. We might have finished with 5 of those kids that we got to come up. At that rate, is it even worth the time and effort? It is very frustrating coach... trust me, you and I have had this conversation before... we are going through the same issues as your school. We get the same thing. Luckily for us, we got a kid last year who may end up being our #1 RB this season, at worst #2. Will be a junior. My assistants are good at tracking kids in halls, and I have the counselors on-board, so any kids they have to 'deal with' that they think could use the structure of football they send to me. I generally have a rule for spring... For every 100 kids on my 'list' we will end up with about 75 of them. We keep searching for that 'diamond in the rough', but haven't found one (yet) Thanks coach. I really like the idea of tracking the kids who need that structure. Not only are you hopefully boosting your numbers, but you're making a difference in somebody's life, which is what we are here for anyway. You guys have a lot of good things going on over there coach. You gave us a good surprise last year. We came in a little overconfident.
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Post by coachmoore42 on Apr 11, 2013 23:36:46 GMT -6
Disclaimer: I'm not sure where we got this, but it wasn't our idea. It was either on here or at a clinic.
THE LIST We tell prospective players that they are "on the list." They ask "what list?" We say "the list of guys who should be playing football." That is usually the end of "the list" talk with most of them. They walk away a little shocked and interestingly satisfied, almost saying to themselves "I'm on the list?...Yeah, I'm on the list!"
The reality behind the thing, there is no written list. Every student at the school is a potential player, so they're all on "the list." They don't have to know that though. They walk away feeling special and you might be getting a new player. Now, hypothetically, you might end up saying this to 50 kids...20 end up coming out...most of whom might not have tried football otherwise. Some of them will quit, but even if you end up getting only 2-3 new players from using "the list", isn't that a successful recruiting campaign? Any of us would love to have just one more contributor to the team, so it is time well spent, IMO.
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Post by coach2013 on Apr 12, 2013 2:42:01 GMT -6
I have been at this a very long time.
Coaches being visible and getting to know the kids, kids seeing you with other kids, showing that you are human, have a sense of humor and arent "scary" seems to help. Many kids only see you on friday nights with your game face on and they dont know that you let your hair down. We have fun with our kids and thats what gets the chatter going in the building. Kids like to repeat funny stuff you say, they like to tell the same jokes or stories from the weight room, field and locker room. Obviously thats not always a good thing so be careful. In any case, a great way to get more kids out is for you to advertise your program. Put up posters near the urinals where you cant help but read them. Put up stuff by the water fountains. (nobody reads a cluttered bulliten board). Randomly put jerseys on a few girls - the girls that the guys look at. Tell the girls they are supporting the football team , and to talk to the boys about playing ball- put team gear on the kids and have them all wear it on the same day "its strength shirt day" - everyone wears their lifting tees.
Most of all, have fun. I think this is the biggest key to it all. Too often you can hear kids saying "its too serious" - do fun stuff. Paintball, camping, fishing, greased watermelon football...whatever you can think of. Have fun and let the kids sell your program.
Having to beg a kid- hes not going to help you- hes chicken#@$% or lazy in most cases. In some cases you run into a kid whos parents are saying no. (concussion witch hunt scare) I think a kid constantly hearing how good hed be leads to secondary gain from being chicken#$%^ which is a shame.
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Post by knighto13 on Apr 13, 2013 21:49:04 GMT -6
I Coach a school with about 100 students. All of the coaches on our staff all work the halls and none of us are teachers or staff at the school. We usually each take time off of work to have lunch on campus from time to time so the potential players have a chance to get to meet us. I think the most important recruiting tool we have is our players. We remind them regularly that what they do and say and how they treat the youngsters(we are a K-12) determine whether kids want to be apart of what we are doing. If one of our "stars" is a jerk to some 7th or 8th grader that kid wont come out for the team.
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Post by next on Apr 14, 2013 7:41:16 GMT -6
I have been at this a very long time. Coaches being visible and getting to know the kids, kids seeing you with other kids, showing that you are human, have a sense of humor and arent "scary" seems to help. Many kids only see you on friday nights with your game face on and they dont know that you let your hair down. We have fun with our kids and thats what gets the chatter going in the building. Kids like to repeat funny stuff you say, they like to tell the same jokes or stories from the weight room, field and locker room. Obviously thats not always a good thing so be careful. In any case, a great way to get more kids out is for you to advertise your program. Put up posters near the urinals where you cant help but read them. Put up stuff by the water fountains. (nobody reads a cluttered bulliten board). Randomly put jerseys on a few girls - the girls that the guys look at. Tell the girls they are supporting the football team , and to talk to the boys about playing ball- put team gear on the kids and have them all wear it on the same day "its strength shirt day" - everyone wears their lifting tees. Most of all, have fun. I think this is the biggest key to it all. Too often you can hear kids saying "its too serious" - do fun stuff. Paintball, camping, fishing, greased watermelon football...whatever you can think of. Have fun and let the kids sell your program. Having to beg a kid- hes not going to help you- hes chicken#@$% or lazy in most cases. In some cases you run into a kid whos parents are saying no. (concussion witch hunt scare) I think a kid constantly hearing how good hed be leads to secondary gain from being chicken#$%^ which is a shame. I was the head freshman coach a few years ago at our school and as part of my duties i saw my job as head recruiter of the entire program. I visited all of our middle school feeder programs several times during lunch hours, spoke to each middle scholl football teams, invited them to our games and to stand in a special section near the endzone that is "reserved for the future" (i completely made this up), I held a Madden Football video game tournament on frday afternoon after school and before varsity games then we watched the varsity play a game (i made sure i planned these type of events where i thought the varsity would win the games), laid out the program expectations and summer weightlifting programs.... well, we had over 50 rising freshman lift weights close to 80% of the time throughout the summer. Had 65 kids come out on the freshman team. We had to buy 20 new helmets just to fit the number of kids. That year we went 4-4... first time in school history that a freshamn team won more than 2 games. After the season they lifted weights 3-4 days a week and end up undefeated as sophmores. The new freshman class that came in also went undefeated. The future is bright. Now we have to have try-outs becasue we simply don't have enough equipment to support all the kids coming out. Without any doubt in my mind likeability and fun are the 2 bigest things. AND having a freshman/JC coaching staff that can lay the groundwork for the entire program. If those coaches suck then the kids will hate it and quit... seen it happen many times.
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Post by blb on Apr 14, 2013 8:13:48 GMT -6
next, that's great, but do you really need 65 freshman football players? Can you practice-develop them all equally-effectively? How do you get them all game time?
Especially now if you have to have try outs and cut kids.
How many will still be playing by their senior year?
I think sometimes coaches place undue emphasis on numbers, as if having bigger squads-higher participation somehow validates us and our programs.
I agree on the importance of Sub-Varsity coaches.
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Post by ndestefano on Apr 14, 2013 8:54:25 GMT -6
My school is grades 7-12, and we have about 540 kids. You tend to get to know everyone really quickly. 2 years ago, I plucked our starting Sam LB from the hallways, and he ended up being our DPOY. Last year, we pulled a kid who started every game for us at WR and CB, had 3 TD and 3 INT for us. The number of kids I get from the halls that end up being players tends to be 2-3. It is a lot of work for very few kids, but they have ended up being contributors.
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Post by craines10 on Apr 14, 2013 14:01:14 GMT -6
We hit the hallways. All year round...
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Post by coachplaa on Apr 14, 2013 15:33:53 GMT -6
Creating a buzz is the biggest way to improve your program. It is hard when you are losing, but easy when you are winning.
It could be a lot of different things to create a buzz: a new coach, new uniforms, exciting offense or defense, off-season compeitions, pride points, using twitter to constantly keep football in their minds, new weight room or locker room remodel. We've done it all, but not all at once. It takes time. My advice is to find 1-2 things that would have the most drastic impact, and go for it.
As far as recruiting the halls, we rely on PE teachers and current players to let us know who the athletes are that AREN"T in football. In my experience, if a kid doesn't show the initial interest, they may never fully buy-in. So if I'm going to recruit that type of player, I want to at least recruit someone with athletic ability. Also, we only recruit freshmen on-campus. We are a big school, and a NEW junior or senior very rarely sees the field, and at least we'd have three years with a recruited freshman.
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Post by next on Apr 14, 2013 19:43:31 GMT -6
next, that's great, but do you really need 65 freshman football players? Can you practice-develop them all equally-effectively? How do you get them all game time? Especially now if you have to have try outs and cut kids. How many will still be playing by their senior year? I think sometimes coaches place undue emphasis on numbers, as if having bigger squads-higher participation somehow validates us and our programs. I agree on the importance of Sub-Varsity coaches. Its definitely made it hard to coach but the best kids played the entire game and the rest play when the game allows (either getting killed or killing em). I look at it like they have a chance to succeed. Its really up to them. They either develop and play or they don't. We certainly had a lot of bad players come out but really just being on the football team is a cool thing and many kids are happy with that and just being able to wear a uniform to school on gameday. I coach in the largest division in the state as we have 1200 kids in the school. We have 3 teams (freshman, JV, Varsity). Will many wash out over the 4 years? Don't know, but what I do know is we are creating a culture where football rules the school and that's fine by me. This is a school where all soccer is king (I know... how does that happen in the USA) and we had to change the culture. All that being said, we changed HC's recently and the new HC is a little different so we will see what happens. Personally though, I would much rather be in a position to have try-outs and cuts rather than begging kids to play. Now getting 50 per freshman team is easy to do.
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Post by morgs23 on Apr 15, 2013 6:16:56 GMT -6
Coaches i started this thread because I am in a situation where I am not a teacher in the building, i actually teach in another school district. I don't have one coach in district and that is not by my choice but more the districts choice. They are not very big on coaches having to be in the district to coach and that is pretty consistent for other sports as well. The school is big for lacrosse and basketball and have a lot of kids who are one sport athletes. My numbers have been dropping off and I am trying to find ways to keep them up in the 60's. My incoming freshmen numbers are the lowest I have had since taking over five years ago and I just lost my only coach who was in district in the middle school. We have been a two platoon team for my first three years as the head coach and I loved, got a lot of kids on the field to play. We had to go back to being a one platoon team because we got under our magic number of 50 varsity players and the talent drop off was getting to be to much. I am pushing that two platoon system again and trying to use that as a recruiting catch to get players out. I am going to take some suggestions from some of you and go into cafe during lunch in the middle school to see if I can get some new players out. Been really involved with youth programs for the past three years and the only thing i see going wrong down there we are losing 6 or more players a year to private schools. some great responses on here and going to use some of the ideas to see if I can turn it around. My goal is 12 more varsity players and to get a team of 20 freshmen out for 2013 season.
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Post by Coach Bennett on Apr 15, 2013 9:38:28 GMT -6
morgs,
Do you have a local access cable tv station?
If so, how about having a replaying highlight video of last season with whatever information you need to convey scrolling across the top?
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Post by holmesbend on Apr 15, 2013 10:11:40 GMT -6
Thanks for bringing up this topic. We are going into year 2 of a rebuild and probably should be more aggressive in the hallways, but really haven't been. I don't want to hijack the thread, but coaches, do you think recruiting the halls is even worthwhile? We did it really aggressively last year, and probably got 30 or so kids to come out that weren't planning to originally. We might have finished with 5 of those kids that we got to come up. At that rate, is it even worth the time and effort? I'm with BLB, I don't think it matters either. Truthfully, I think it's overrated as he11. Right now, I'm not in the building....I teach in the district, but not at the HS. I get there the last hour of the day, though. The kids that are going to play (and, be of any value) are usually the ones playing other sports. With that said, I'm at dang near every home basketball and baseball game. As a matter of fact, I'll even pop in at those sports practices before and after to socialize with the kids. Those are the ones I'm trying to get. What I've come to find out is that the 16 year old who isn't playing anything, probably isn't doing so for a few reasons. If he has a car, a job and a little miss sweety...then forget it. Also, unless they can just automatically bring something to the table, then I don't worry about chasing after them. I always try to stay in the ear of those baseball, basketball, wrestling and even our soccer kids who aren't playing, but if they aren't involved with any other sport as is, then I never mention playing to them past their freshman or sophomore year at the latest unless they are just one of those rare natural athletes who for some odd reason aren't already playing another sport. With that said, I'm at every middle school home game (and, some away) and at LL on Saturdays. Fortunately, our Middle School and HS are on the same campus and our MS practices on the other side of us (baseball field seperates our practice fields)....I'll even run over to MS practice for 10-15 mins each week. I try to get around to all of the kids and usually will help with an individual/group period that is going on.
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Post by rsmith627 on Apr 15, 2013 11:22:30 GMT -6
Thanks for bringing up this topic. We are going into year 2 of a rebuild and probably should be more aggressive in the hallways, but really haven't been. I don't want to hijack the thread, but coaches, do you think recruiting the halls is even worthwhile? We did it really aggressively last year, and probably got 30 or so kids to come out that weren't planning to originally. We might have finished with 5 of those kids that we got to come up. At that rate, is it even worth the time and effort? I'm with BLB, I don't think it matters either. Truthfully, I think it's overrated as he11. Right now, I'm not in the building....I teach in the district, but not at the HS. I get there the last hour of the day, though. The kids that are going to play (and, be of any value) are usually the ones playing other sports. With that said, I'm at dang near every home basketball and baseball game. As a matter of fact, I'll even pop in at those sports practices before and after to socialize with the kids. Those are the ones I'm trying to get. What I've come to find out is that the 16 year old who isn't playing anything, probably isn't doing so for a few reasons. If he has a car, a job and a little miss sweety...then forget it. Also, unless they can just automatically bring something to the table, then I don't worry about chasing after them. I always try to stay in the ear of those baseball, basketball, wrestling and even our soccer kids who aren't playing, but if they aren't involved with any other sport as is, then I never mention playing to them past their freshman or sophomore year at the latest unless they are just one of those rare natural athletes who for some odd reason aren't already playing another sport. With that said, I'm at every middle school home game (and, some away) and at LL on Saturdays. Fortunately, our Middle School and HS are on the same campus and our MS practices on the other side of us (baseball field seperates our practice fields)....I'll even run over to MS practice for 10-15 mins each week. I try to get around to all of the kids and usually will help with an individual/group period that is going on. Thanks coach. We do these things too. I am not the HC, but I am the only one who is in the building so recruitment/retention is my department, along with paperwork, finances, and all the other administrative nonsense. Basically the HC, just not in name. Anyway, I refuse to chase players through the halls because even if they do come out, they are going to quit, or not be a strong contributor. Like you said, it's the athletes playing other sports that I'm after, and I have been doing very well in this department. I so far have pretty strong commitment from 8 or 9 kids that we wanted last year but couldn't get, all of which who should become immediate contributors.
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Post by cqmiller on Apr 15, 2013 11:52:15 GMT -6
We scare up a lot of kids in the spring who are 'interested'... that is when we do fundraising. If they decide to quit... their money was raised for the football program to use... You know they are gonna quit anyway, but at least they can help the program in the time they were there.
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Post by fantom on Apr 15, 2013 12:10:58 GMT -6
I'm with BLB, I don't think it matters either. Truthfully, I think it's overrated as he11. Right now, I'm not in the building....I teach in the district, but not at the HS. I get there the last hour of the day, though. The kids that are going to play (and, be of any value) are usually the ones playing other sports. With that said, I'm at dang near every home basketball and baseball game. As a matter of fact, I'll even pop in at those sports practices before and after to socialize with the kids. Those are the ones I'm trying to get. What I've come to find out is that the 16 year old who isn't playing anything, probably isn't doing so for a few reasons. If he has a car, a job and a little miss sweety...then forget it. Also, unless they can just automatically bring something to the table, then I don't worry about chasing after them. I always try to stay in the ear of those baseball, basketball, wrestling and even our soccer kids who aren't playing, but if they aren't involved with any other sport as is, then I never mention playing to them past their freshman or sophomore year at the latest unless they are just one of those rare natural athletes who for some odd reason aren't already playing another sport. With that said, I'm at every middle school home game (and, some away) and at LL on Saturdays. Fortunately, our Middle School and HS are on the same campus and our MS practices on the other side of us (baseball field seperates our practice fields)....I'll even run over to MS practice for 10-15 mins each week. I try to get around to all of the kids and usually will help with an individual/group period that is going on. Thanks coach. We do these things too. I am not the HC, but I am the only one who is in the building so recruitment/retention is my department, along with paperwork, finances, and all the other administrative nonsense. Basically the HC, just not in name. Anyway, I refuse to chase players through the halls because even if they do come out, they are going to quit, or not be a strong contributor. Like you said, it's the athletes playing other sports that I'm after, and I have been doing very well in this department. I so far have pretty strong commitment from 8 or 9 kids that we wanted last year but couldn't get, all of which who should become immediate contributors. It depends by how you define "chase". I'm not above asking a kid if he wants to play (especially if I have to look up when I talk to him). I'm not going to ask more than once or twice but I'm going to ask. I knew a guy in college who had an unorthodox pickup technique: At a party he'd go up to girls and just ask up front, "Wanna f--k?". Said that nine times out of ten he got his face slapped but he only needed one "yes". It doesn't cost me anything to ask a kid. If he doesn't want to (and most don't), he doesn't want to. If we get a player, though, it's worth it.
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