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Post by bobgoodman on Feb 25, 2011 14:42:56 GMT -6
What sort of emergencies did you have in mind?
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Post by bobgoodman on Feb 22, 2011 14:56:29 GMT -6
"6 points for a TD and 2 points for the kick, therefore a 48-0 blowout (6-TD’s)" What? No, a point after a TD is 1 point. It would 6 TD's and two field goals to score 48 points Our league does this with the lower levels. I guess they figure at 8yo, it's easier to run for a PAT than kick, so the kick is worth more. Which is why I wonder why I don't hear any more about the old 6 man scoring rule of 4 pts. for a FG. Heck, they could offer 5 pt. FGs or more at that age! It works only with a HC who coaches in bad faith on that point. Yes. They gain experience and have fun playing against players who are not as good as the ones who beat them by so much. It's like having a more evenly matched scrimmage after the game's decided. Some of them don't even know the score during the game, or who's ahead, or what quarter it is, or the name of the opposing team. But they usually know how they're doing vs. the player opposite them.
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Post by bobgoodman on Feb 22, 2011 14:20:25 GMT -6
[glow=red,2,300]"What I don't understand is why the original poster hasn't yet posted the darn numbers! This is not that complicated.[/glow] I have no idea how many players I will have. It's February & the team being 70 lbs a very large majority will be 1st year players. They wont sign up until the summer time. So it is that complicated. But what I hope you do know is how many hours of practice you'll have, or how many sessions. That's the more important number, and it varies enormously from one youth team to another. And if you don't know, that's what you need to find out most of all. Your schedule is more important than the number of players or assistants. It may be something dictated by 2 levels above you in the organiz'n, or it may be something you have a lot of freedom about. Of course assistant coaches are a good thing, but they don't increase the number of hours your players have available to practice, which in many or most situations is the limiting factor. Another thing it'd be good to know besides the theoretic calendar is the practical one. What I mean is that many football players are multi-sport or multi-activity kids. You may designate your practice seasons at starting at such-and-such a date, but if it turns out a lot of your players are playing baseball at that time, their practice attendance will be spotty. The problem here is getting info because you're dealing with 7 YOs who may have no history, but for all you know may start playing organized baseball that very same summer. So gather whatever intelligence you can on that.
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Post by bobgoodman on Feb 22, 2011 0:40:19 GMT -6
If he has the assisitants to help him out then the number of players and time are negligible. That's not true! I don't care how many assistants you have, a player can listen to only one of them at a time and practice only one thing at a time. If you had enough assistants and they all knew exactly what to teach -- which is doubtful if it's the HC's first season working with them -- then you could dispose of the number-of-players factor, but not the time factor. Think of it this way: If you want to teach students both English and math, the students have to have enough class time for both, regardless of how many faculty you have. Meanwhile another coach is bringing up game day mgmt., but that has nothing to do with the coach's question! Even if a coach were completely tied up tying kids' shoes, it would have nothing to do with whether you had taught them multiple positions. Even if you had no time to substitute positions during a given game, you might still switch them from one game to the next. What I don't understand is why the original poster hasn't yet posted the darn numbers! This is not that complicated. I know teams that get just 5 practice sessions between assembling the team and their 1st game, and 1 or 2 sessions between each game and the next, and for them the answer is definitely NO -- they barely have time to teach one position to each player. OTOH I'm corresponding with a coach who gets 25 sessions before the season, and only about 15 players, and for him cross-training the players will be not only feasible but mandatory because of the need to shuffle the roster as necessary to keep the team going during the season.
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Post by bobgoodman on Feb 21, 2011 8:22:11 GMT -6
I can't thank you guys enough. This is the info I was looking for. Unless you were just looking for a psychologic boost, I don't see how you could've gotten a good answer without the data I asked for. Youth football teams can differ by five-fold as to the amount of pre-season practice they get, and three-fold in-season, and they can also differ severalfold as to the number of players they get. And depending on those numbers, the answer to your question can be a clear yes, a clear no, or a definite maybe.
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Post by bobgoodman on Feb 20, 2011 17:35:49 GMT -6
Is it realistic to teach every player every position? Depends...how many players, how much time?
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Post by bobgoodman on Feb 15, 2011 21:57:19 GMT -6
First, in most youth leagues it's 2 for a kick, & 1 for a run. This is to promote the kicking game. It's a lot harder for the younger teams to kick. Heard of any youth leagues that adopted the old 6-man scoring rules of that plus a 4-point field goal?
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Post by bobgoodman on Feb 11, 2011 20:53:49 GMT -6
Can you define these terms to the point that a youth player will understand you? Are you asking for something you can tell them to convey it? In that case I think you're out of luck. Some introductory words, OK, but then you have to show them. Or are you asking us to describe it to you in such a way that you will be able to show them? My impression of chest tackling is that too often it leaves the tackler's face in a dangerous place of questionable legality. The chest tackle is efficient at transmitting force thru the tackler's hips in a single shot, but relies on the poorly angled human breast bone for contact. Shoulder-to-chest tackling puts some buffer between the opponent and the tackler's head, and shoulder-to-hip tackling at least gets the front & top of the head beyond the opponent. The other thing about shoulder tackles is that their mechanics have so much in common with shoulder blocks that it should be easier to learn them together. A chest tackle might, however, have some mechanics in common with hands blocking.
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Post by bobgoodman on Feb 10, 2011 12:20:04 GMT -6
I'm the one here who advocates "blunt instrument" stripping of the ball using a forearm, elbow, or shoulder.
However, I'll point out that the riskiest way to hold the ball against an outright hands-to-hands steal is directly in front of you with both hands equally. Not bad with overlapping forearms as in layered, but hands and middle of chest as points of contact is just asking for it, although your players may be tempted to do it when ball security is needed most because intuitively it looks safest and because we have the most feeling in our fingers.
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Post by bobgoodman on Feb 3, 2011 10:45:46 GMT -6
Where I coached in 2010 our mercy rules were very extensive -- I didn't even know all of them except approximately -- but that was in house ball and so may be a special case. They affected who could play, who could run the ball, and what type of defense could be used.
In 1979 & 1980, the Northern States Football League (adults) had a 2-stage rout rule that affected timing rules only. One stage was for when a team had a 25-39 point lead in the 2nd half, and the 2nd stage was for a 40+ points blowout. The rule in the 2nd stage was simple: the clock ran, period. Yes, even during a charged or official's time out; play would be stopped, but not the clock. (I think they made an exception for the Chi. Lions to rub it in with a FG attempt, but only because the distance would've been a new league record.) I recommend that sort of mercy rule for one reason: simplicity. You may already be using officials who officiate under a couple of different codes not counting yours, so anything you do to make it simpler for them would be appreciated.
Of course you could go for even simpler and adopt a version (adjusting the threshold as appropriate) of the old 6-man rule that the game ends if either team is up by 40+ at or after halftime.
You could look at participation rules for lopsided games too, but I don't recommend them. If teams don't want to substitute liberally when the score is out of reach, then there's nothing really good for it.
Other rules (like for instance having the team with the lead play short) complicate matters, may add to the embarrassment factor, and make the game something other than what the players came to play, so I don't recommend them.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 26, 2011 0:42:44 GMT -6
One question that might affect things is whether there's another game on at that location while you're warming up, and if so whether it's another team in your club, i.e. another class that has your same team name and/or colors. Especially if you can't get your team out of sight of the field.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 22, 2011 0:00:41 GMT -6
You are so right. Youth Coaches love to scrimmage. I think it's because they're trying to keep the kids interested, and just don't know good & fun drills. Coachbrek's description was the great majority of what I saw in practices in 2010.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 19, 2011 22:49:29 GMT -6
The players can each purchase a copy, but then there'll be just one copy to be sold to the highest bidding non-player? Why don't you just sell as many copies as you can? A big booster might buy a bunch of copies and give them out at his or her place of business to impress clients with his or her civic-mindedness.
You wanted to know what questions to ask. That's going to depend a lot on the nature of the intended audience. If it's the kids themselves, you can think back to what children that age would write in each other's autograph books or yearbooks from school, or you can spy on a juvenile social network and see what goofy things children poll each other about these days. Is the one highest-bidding booster the real audience? Since it'd be just one person, there's no telling what that person might be interested in! Or is it the sort of thing that their parents will want to see now, and that 5, 10, 20 years from now they'll be embarrassing then with about the silly things their children said when they were 9-10 YO?
Unfortunately the only time we hear about the questions unrelated adults ask of children in an informal setting, it's because they were up to no good! Either that, or they were doing market research for children's products (I solicited children's opinions of bath foams for that reason), or they just want to have a laugh at their naivety, like Art Linkletter and Candid Camera used to do for their respective TV programs.
Asking them as you suggest about their favorite adult players or teams is OK in that it wouldn't seem problematic, although I don't see it adding value either. What would be much more interesting to a fan of the team would be for each of them to tell their favorite story from their experience with the team that season. Unfortunately some children are much more expressive than others, many will take that assignment as a chore, and you'll wind up with some children contributing long essays and others contributing little or nothing, and that will look bad to some of their parents.
How about this: Solicit stories from the players, and print them anonymously? If the book doesn't say who the contributors are, then nobody feels left out. And they might open up more if they know their names won't be attached to their writing.
You could also take a completely different tack and do like a lot of organiz'ns that have an event "program" that's just an excuse to sell ad space for prominent persons and businesses to impress each other with their support for whatever it is -- a show of good will. The program is eventually given away rather than sold. The more expensive ads are on gilt-edged pages or whatever.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 19, 2011 11:59:53 GMT -6
Could you please explain better the concept? Who would want to buy a single book where 9-10 YO players on a championship team answered questions? It reminds me of signature albums, but you want to make just one copy of it for people to bid on? It would seem that if they or their families wanted a memento they should each be able to buy a copy.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 19, 2011 11:53:47 GMT -6
The organiz'n I was with in 2007 had one team each in the Pee Wee and unlimited weight 12U classes of the local AYF affiliate. I don't know if that's a better comparison than, or not as good as, going from one to the other the following year. If you saw my mention of Ivor Bascom in another thread, you might ask him for his recollection because he was president of the club.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 14, 2011 18:59:04 GMT -6
On my blog today I posted a short article on Joe, including a couple of pictures: "The Mint Hill practices were fast paced and VERY efficient, with no wasted movement but no one seemed rushed." I'm sure that ability paid off especially well in an all star situation, with so little time.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 6, 2011 22:15:21 GMT -6
Seems we're in elite company here!
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 5, 2011 10:19:17 GMT -6
Bob, that may be the case in NYC.....but not here...... Where is "here"? Interesting, because it's been my impression that the lower the level or status of a job, the more likely it is to require drug testing. I've also noticed that the lower level jobs require more extensive screening in gen'l, including background checks, credit checks, and psychologic testing. Higher level hiring seems to be much more subjective.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 5, 2011 10:07:58 GMT -6
I'd also like to add that if we are talking playbooks only then I really see it hard to copyright it, license it, whatever, because how many of us actually developed and invented our own offense? I can't say and don't think many other coaches can say that their playbook is 100% there own ideas. We all borrow, steal, tweak, plays and schemes from other coaches. We all "plagarize" in a way. If it were an article or something along the lines of that then I'd be even more mad. Copyright doesn't protect the meaning or ideas of a work, only its expression. So someone else's description of your offense would not violate a copyright, but copying your words & diagrams, which you might've put considerable effort into, would violate a copyright if you chose to retain one. Even then, there are certain things that can hardly be described any other way usefully, and in those cases copyright isn't even valid; that proviso makes copyright of most playbook contents futile.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 4, 2011 22:31:47 GMT -6
drug testing has pretty much become the norm in the business world. Actually routine testing peaked in the 1990s and has been dropping since, because businesses weren't getting a return on that investment, since the tests didn't detect impairment. Primarily what routine screening turned up was people who smoked cannabis off the job, often a week or more earlier, and those employees were not a problem to begin with. The only thing that's kept it from dropping farther has been as a condition of gov't contracting and licensure for certain jobs. I've never worked at an establishment that had it, although I did apply for jobs years ago at a couple that would've required it.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 3, 2011 12:52:37 GMT -6
We definitely need it at the school I am at. There has been talk for years of bringing the testing in, but it hasn't happened yet and drug use is definitely an issue with our kids. Two of our basketball players just got busted with weed at an overnight christmas tournament! So what good would the testing have done? It would've just caught them earlier. Or are you saying that's good?
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 3, 2011 12:47:05 GMT -6
I just wish the NCAA would come out and finally hone up to the fact the over 1/2 of all schools at the BCS level have absolutely no shot at winning the championship and it's all because of money. If they'd just come clean and admit that the SEC, ACC, Big 10, Pac-10, and Big 12 are where the money, ratings, and most of the fan support is and therefore constitute a seperate de facto division that gets to play by different rules, it wouldn't be nearly as frustrating as hearing the same old talking heads spewing the same tired arguments every year over "the little sisters of the poor who couldn't survive in a big conference" yet win whenever they play the best of those teams. Actually, if they'd take this a step further and divide the BCS into 2 divisions, institute some revenue sharing from the big bowls, let the two divisions play each other in the second and third tier bowls, and have seperate championships for each, part of this problem could be solved without the playoff they fear so much. After all, besides the NC game, the bowls aren't much more than hyped up exhibition games with fat payouts attached. Then what does the NCAA offer these days to keep the BCS teams in it?
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Post by bobgoodman on Dec 29, 2010 1:10:22 GMT -6
Season before last I had 4 green coaches. I would spend 2 hours a week for over 12 weeks coaching them up. It was worth the effort. One of the potentially good things about the NBYSA was that they had almost weekly staff meetings. Much of the time it was an excuse to eat pizza, and some of it was administrative details which were sometimes good to know, and sometimes venting of grievances, but you could also hash out questions of technique.
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Post by bobgoodman on Dec 28, 2010 17:50:15 GMT -6
The story I heard was Neyland said a DB needed to go after a ball like his dog Oskie. I think it had been mentioned earlier. So "Ball, oskie" was like he was telling Oskie he was throwing a ball for him? And by the time he wrote that, he expected the readers to already know, and it just looks funny taken out of context? Plausible. That'd mean people have been misreading "oskie" separately from "ball", thinking the comma was just delimiting items in a list. He should've punctuated and capitalized it like this, then: 5. Ball, Oskie! Cover, block, cut and slice, pursue and gang tackle... for this is the WINNING EDGE.
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Dec 26, 2010 22:15:56 GMT -6
Post by bobgoodman on Dec 26, 2010 22:15:56 GMT -6
If for some reason a player can't make his chapters weigh in time,he can weigh in at another chapter,since all of our chapters weigh in the same day,just at different times...But he only weighs in once,and he still plays for his original chapter...He can't go to another weigh in if he doesn't like the results,and all our weigh ins are supervised by CCYFL board members from different chapters,like our San Luis rep would go to Paso Robles weigh in and Paso's rep does Santa Maria ...If by in-league games you mean CCYFL teams,you are correct...For example,I coached Seniors in San Luis Obispo,we had one Senior team,so I played Lompoc, Morro Bay,Santa Maria,Paso Robles,and so on...If you look at our league standings you'll see what I mean... Well, thanks, but I was looking for a response from coachbuck, since he was the one complaining about how things are when chapters set their own weigh-in dates and the players can shop. It doesn't seem to disadvantage any team, since the weighing-in is still for the whole chapter, which is the circuit the teams play in.
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Dec 26, 2010 18:34:16 GMT -6
Post by bobgoodman on Dec 26, 2010 18:34:16 GMT -6
Chapters here are leagues within the whole organization. Can I assume that most or all of a team's season would consist of in-league games? If so, then what's wrong with parents shopping players from one league's weigh-in to another? It may be a little time consuming, but if it's only a minority of players and only once a season, how bad could that be?
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Post by bobgoodman on Dec 26, 2010 18:16:53 GMT -6
When I took over in 2007, I was the 4th Head Coach in 4 years. That is quite a bit of turnover as far as Head Coaches go. But airraider, what you've described has got to be unprecedented. That's obviously a place that has some issues that need to be resolved. Administration, parents, overall culture for that matter. The school has its general problems in terms of lack of parental support... low numbers for football... very spread out rural environment. but all of that is workable. The admin on the other hand is the SOLE reason for the turnover. This will actually be the 6th head coach in 2 years. The guy I took over for only lasted from Sept to Dec under this guy. So 5 coaches have been there in the last 2 years, and I stayed 14 of those 24 months. Do they have this problem in general with faculty? Or only sports? Or only football?
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Dec 26, 2010 17:05:46 GMT -6
Post by bobgoodman on Dec 26, 2010 17:05:46 GMT -6
I have a question,if you don't make weight one week and you have to play up a class,how would that player learn a whole new system on game day? Of course that wouldn't work in a club that had different teams play different systems, but if you're in a club where the plays and terminology are mostly the same, you can do it. That was the case where I coached in 2007, where all the teams were using I formation, and we fielded 3 age & weight-limited AYF teams (Mighty Mites, Jr. Pee Wees, Pee Wees), an unlimited weight 12U team (also AYF IIRC), and unlimited weight 14U and 18U teams (Empire State Unlimited/Eagles), 6 in all. Of course each team's playbook wasn't identical, but there was enough shared between teams in adjacent classes that you could get in as a sub if you missed a weight cutoff in the pre-game weighings. The Mites played first, etc., so you wouldn't get into a situation of needing to play in a class whose game was already over. However, that didn't help when teams were playing away games against different opponents, or in one case ISTR where a team's roster was at a league limit.
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Dec 26, 2010 16:54:06 GMT -6
Post by bobgoodman on Dec 26, 2010 16:54:06 GMT -6
We have one weigh in at the beginning of the year. Each chapter will have a date set for weigh ins. Kids/parents/coaches will get there kids down to the desired weight and then go to weigh in. So how does that promote sweating down compared to weigh-ins before games, as we had in AYF? The club where I coached this year had just an annual weigh-in to discourage unhealthful attempts at rapid weight loss (or gain), but our club was also the league. Do you mean by "chapters" different clubs in one league? Really, the league doesn't set the weigh-in date? How far apart in time could those weigh-ins be?
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Post by bobgoodman on Dec 26, 2010 16:41:58 GMT -6
A lot of this has to do with how you structure your practices, and that's going to depend partly on whether you have enough players to break practice into offense & defense, line & backfield, possibly some specialty groupings. Also it has to do with how good your coaches' attendance is; on our team this year the ACs acted as understudies for when the HC wasn't there, and for each other, as much as assistants.
Suppose you wanted to put your players thru a drill and watch their form. If you have extra eyes attached to extra heads who know what form to look for, you can run the drills more in parallel while catching mistakes and giving pointers, and less serially. That means you can get more done in the same amount of time, and there's less standing around and more incidental endurance conditioning for your players. As long as you have several people who know the purpose of a particular drill, they can do that. And if you have several people who don't all know the drill's purpose or what form to look for, if they're patient they can learn at the same time the players do, so that after a while they can help and in the meantime they're not in the way. That's assuming they're not stopping you to ask Qs.
If you had enough help, you could spare some as scouts. In a club that fields more than one team playing extramurally, you can have some coaches float between teams according to momentary need. So I don't really see a problem with 10 coaches for even a short roster children's team, if they're organized. If they're not organized, 2 is too many!
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