tate
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Post by tate on Jan 19, 2011 5:06:16 GMT -6
Our City is thinking about a change from the national formate to the All American formate. With the national formate the weakness is that the older-lighters always have an advantage over the younger-heavies. What are the weakness of the " All American " rules. Have any of you made the change from national to all American with AYF, and did you like it?
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Post by mhcoach on Jan 19, 2011 8:54:28 GMT -6
Tate
Our organization plays in AYF. The younger teams compete in the national Division, & my team competes at the 8th grade level All American. IMHO it gives everyone an even playing field, no older lighters, no weighins, much less of a chance of cheating. Size is an issue, yet not an issue. 3 seasons ago we were small, played against teams that were much bigger. Even still we went undefeated.
I really don't know what it's like in the other age groups but I would assume it's similar.
Good Luck!
Joe
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 19, 2011 11:53:47 GMT -6
The organiz'n I was with in 2007 had one team each in the Pee Wee and unlimited weight 12U classes of the local AYF affiliate. I don't know if that's a better comparison than, or not as good as, going from one to the other the following year. If you saw my mention of Ivor Bascom in another thread, you might ask him for his recollection because he was president of the club.
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tate
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Post by tate on Jan 19, 2011 12:22:08 GMT -6
Joe, how many grades can you play up? Can a kid in the 6th grade play on your 8th grade team? What about a kid that was held back in 3rd grade and should be in the 9th grade can he play on your 8th grade team ? How do teams "cheat " the all American rules, is there any down side? Why does your city split into young kids in national and older kids in all American? Right now I am looking at it from the younger age group view. Last year I coached on a Cadet team we had a number of younger heavies that were 7 to 8 years old in the 2nd and third grade playing on a team with 10 year old in the 5th grade. I am not worried about them being fat and slow but slow between the ears, they do not know how to tie their shoes, or left from right. They should have been playing mighty-mite.
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Post by mhcoach on Jan 19, 2011 16:04:12 GMT -6
Tate
Since All American rules are age & grade driven, then if the player who was left back in the 3rd grade meets the criteria he can play. We have had 6th & 7th graders on our 8th grade team. I have seen a proliferation of cheating with older lighters not with All American rules. The easy thing with the All American rules is it's cut & dry. Age & Grade only. I'm not a big fan of older lighters
There is a huge difference between an 8 y/o & a 10 y/o, not only mental ability but more so in physical maturity. IMHO size isn't as critical as people think. Usually the hardest hitters in the younger ages aren't the big kids, but the tough 7 physically mature ones. I can't begin to count how many times I have seen a player dominate at the younger age groups only to be an average player at the HS level. While often the player who never really was player in youth ball turn into a stud when his body matured.
As far as cheating goes, it never ceases to amaze me. I have never thought about cheating yet every year I see teams who blatantly cheat. This year we had schedule a team from near the coast, we clearly spelled out our teams age & grade. 2 weeks before the game we find out the team was loaded with 10th graders. They labeled themselves an 8th grade team. We then contacted the coach, he admitted yes he had several 10th graders, who also played JV football. I just don't get it.
Joe
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