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Post by morris on Nov 13, 2007 9:33:31 GMT -6
I get system envy all the time. There is a number of system I would love to coach from run and Shoot Air Raid Demeo gun triple DW The old Van Broklin Rams offense SW Option split back or otherwise
Where can I get information on the Dead T?
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Post by morris on Feb 10, 2008 10:24:24 GMT -6
Verbage does not get me because you can pickup on the stuff throw the overheads or whatever. things that get me are "feel free to contact me anytime" and you never get a response. Honestly do not give out your email if you are nto going to answer it. Now I know very has things to do and I have been spoiled to a degree by getting great responses from some coaches that have a ton better things to do then to listen to me.
the other thing is I want to see your system or whatever falling apart. I want to see the bad stuff to. That is important to me.
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Post by morris on Feb 5, 2008 18:18:46 GMT -6
they tried screens and I have to say throughthe playoff the Giants were extreme good against the screen. Their backers did a great job of getting into the linemen and force their way through.
Now about the Pats defense being ranked higher there is a number of factors one has to look at there. They played in a bad division. They got ahead early and fast which made teams have to go more into a 1 dimensional team and more predictable. It is somewhat along the lines of when the Rams had the 3rd best defense.
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Post by morris on Feb 4, 2008 7:39:35 GMT -6
I a little surprised they do not move Moss down inside more as a 2nd and 3rd WR to a side. It makes it tougher to get those types of coverage on him and allows him to be a threat to more of the filed. I also do not understand why he did not go up for that ball near the end. Moss can fly but he can also jump out of the building in addition to his how tall he is.
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Post by morris on Feb 4, 2008 6:35:51 GMT -6
The first time they played the Gaints blitzed around 33% of the time. I would not be surprised that the ratio was fairly the same.
On the 4th and 13 call they wanted to go to Faulk. I like to clear out an dbring him underneath of the coverage on option routes. They make a killing off of that. Well when Faulk tried to go through the B gap to release the Gaint LBer almost tackled him. Brady had to pull the ball back down and then force it out. Now I was surprised they did go for it and if they are worried about not being able to pin the the Giants take a penalty.
A few things about the Pats D. 1) They have a hard time with big physical WRs. That was the case in the Chargers game and it showed. 2) Their LBers are getting old. Their LBers took a pounding at times from the Giants run game. I would not be surprised if some of that group is gone next year. I think is in part is why the Pats did not go to a more fast pace on O to rest the D. When the Pats worked at a fast/no huddle type pace it gave the Giants biiger problems. 3) They seemed rattled both on O and D. At times they seemed like they were pressing.
The Giants Defense did a great job. If they were not able to get pressure with that front 4 it is a different game. Both side of the ball played veyr physical. Par tof that game plan had to be to just beatup on the Pats. Both sides of the ball came up with big plays when they needed it. If the defense plays at any type of lower level they or if the offense plays at any less of a level then the Pats win.
Another interesting things for me is Shokey not on the sideline with his teammates. Instead he is up in a booth drinking. The Pats almost not coming out onto the field for the final play adn their coach just going in and not even watching it.
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Post by morris on Apr 8, 2008 5:38:34 GMT -6
I now am starting to see the issue here. Not sure if this will clear it up or not but
TF runs the same offense as Mumme/Leach/Hatcher. There are some difference but they are small. They use the same terms, practice the same for the most part and use the same techniques. I say this not as a guess but because I have the materials to compare and back it up. No I am not a client but I do have the PPT, playbooks and DVDs from all of them.
TF's "system" is a system not as much as an offense but an overall install, practice and approach. That is why people call it a system. It is the Air Raid system. How he uses the system is differne than Mumme and Leahc because they liek to throw the ball a ton. So do some fo TF's clients. Look at Lone Oak in KY. You want to compare running numbers look at Hatcher's Georgia Southern team. TF's "system" is the wrist coach set up, practice plans, feedback, film breakdown and so own. The clients do not defend it for the Xs and Os they defend it because of the support and materials that are provided.
You can not look at stats and say people run a different system just because of the stats. We could look at a ton of Wing T teams and you would a huge amount of difference even if all of them are Deleware Wing T guys. Some throw more, some run more and some want a good split.
Coverdale at Trinity in Louisville is considered an air it out prostyle passing game. Their stats show they are balanced more or less. That coudl be due to different games where they coud run the ball more or them running the ball to run the clock. You have to look at more than stats.
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Post by morris on Apr 6, 2008 19:36:20 GMT -6
West Coast offense comes from a Bernie Kosar interview. That is where the name came from the true "west coast" offense is Mike Martz. Gibbs, and Don Coryell. It is a vertical game Bill Walsh's offense came about due to the injury of Cook at the Bengals so they had to use a short passing game. What people think of as the west coast offense now is base playbook design and a way to prepare. It is much closer to Sid Gillman.
Spread is a term that is hard to define and has lost it meaning in many ways. The Partiots did spread the field and used short cotrolled passing to allow people to run after the catch. That is a west coast concept in many ways but it is used to controll the defense.
Its good to see Franklin back in the SEC. I just disagree with the fact that "it is not Hal Mumme's offense". In many ways it was never his offense but BYU's offense that was adapted.
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Post by morris on Apr 6, 2008 12:59:34 GMT -6
auburn: It is the Hal Mumme/BYU/ Valdosta St./Georgia Southern/Texas Tech offense or system. Franklin learned it from Mumme, Leach and Hatcher when he came on as Rb coach at UK. There are some differences just like there are differences between Hoover's version and other clients of TF. In fact Franklin did not always agree with how and what Hoover did. He has said so on a number of occassions.
The difference is how they call plays and a few other odds an dends. When Franklin learneded the system people were not running zone read. Now they do. Franklin High School in Frankfort KY is a client and runs the ball more into the 60-70% of the time.
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Post by morris on Nov 13, 2007 8:58:37 GMT -6
I said this in another thread but there is much more to it then a playbook. Now I do believe if you and your staff put in a large amount of time, energy and money then you could get something similar.
Part of the cost is materials: perfect routes, cut ups, 26 hrs or so of the clinic on DVD (I have heard you get the year before also but not sure) and the PPT. Some of do not have the resources to acquire all of that (mainly cutups) to show our kids. The film stuff is directly related to the teaching. It is not like trying to fit the cut up of a different school to your system.
PPT: Yes we can all do PPT but very few of us can do it on the level of Coverdale. Honestly that is what I expect from TF is a Coverdale level PPT. If you have not looked at these they are amazing teaching tools. Rules, animation and then video clips all at a click.
Organization: I hear more people interested in seeing exactly how they do this then any other part of the system. Very very few systems use practice time as well. The wrist band system and all the other little details.
Teaching coaches: Bill Walsh filmed all his install stuff. He did this one as self critique and also so when a new coach came they just showed the film. This si how we teach it. These are the drills, order and everything. New guy on staff and he will be on the same page must faster.
Support: Yeah part of the cost is the support. Been to a number of clinics where I got information and then needed some help or input and could not get it. I do not blame the guys because they are coaching but I know if I pay TF I am going to get a response.
Devil is in the details: You do not get extreme detail at most clinics. You get info to either get you interested or in trouble and in some cases both. Every minute of the clinic is extremely focused. If we ran an offense or defense like most clinic then we would all be "grab bagging" and we know how effective that is.
Everyone can go: bring everyone. If you are going to shellout that type of money then bring the HS, MS and youth coaches. The youth coaches may nto run the system but they coudl start using the wristbands or other things and it gets them ready for the MS. The MS adds a little and then so on. South Lake was suppose ot run no huddle spread all the way down to their youth teams. 3000.00 over 3 or so programs is not as bad. You can also go to more than one clinic.
Buy in: If your going to do this then you need to buy in period. I know of teams that went to the clinic and then dropped it part of the way through the season and the reason is you have to buy in. You have to believe and get everyone else to believe this is the best system in football. It is no different then Wing T, double wing, run and shoot or option teams.
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Post by morris on Jan 18, 2008 9:06:21 GMT -6
Did Mumme and Leach change how they do things? They use to not teach the QB fronts. BYU under Chow use to not teach fronts. I am not 100% that they taught coverages. They looked for green grass. Chow said at one point the way his QB knew if it was Man or zone was if the back released.
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Post by morris on Feb 12, 2008 19:27:17 GMT -6
LOL, 3 for a single TD- sorta dilutes the value of a sticker doesn't it? Maybe but I tell you what our Oline got down the field. This was the best oline that has been here and there was a certain matter of pride they took in their job. The 3 for a TD was just for our oline. The taking them away is what kills the kids. They HATE having to give up their sticker. If they do not have a sticker to give up then they have to pull one off. It helps drive home the fact that the other team is going to try to take from you what you have worked all ths time for.
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Post by morris on Feb 12, 2008 12:12:53 GMT -6
What we give out Golden Block: Just a spray painted cinder block. Given to the best block Hit Stick: (I think this came from FSU) goes to he best hit Everyone gets one for the win All Def guys get one for a shutout
1 for any of these TD, TD pass, INT, Force fumble, fumble rec
I also take them away for ints, and fumbles.
We also gie our Oline stickers for each TD we score on O. I HC got a little crazy this year an said he woudl give them 3 for each score. He did not think we would have 1 player score almost 40 TDs. We had to buy more stickers.
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Post by morris on Dec 20, 2007 7:41:51 GMT -6
Setting goals is a key like Seay stated. If they are a lesser opponent then we expect to results on a higher level. A former Miami player was once asked about the "swagger" and stated it was beating the people you are suppose to beat in the manner your suppose to beat them.
Since we are a 2 platoon team for the most part it allows our D guys to play some O for use so that is motivation. We also start slowly working guys in instead of whole sale subs. We look at games like this as key times to get young guys work and to work on a few things we normally do not do in games. We prep the same way each week no matter who and stress "doing your job". We expect our player no matter who it is to do their job. I think these are the games you end up doing more coaching in as a whole. Gives a good chance to see how much you can put on your players.
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Post by morris on Feb 27, 2008 17:57:32 GMT -6
Find someone that runs what you want and get the staff there. A small amount of OC on the HS level get hired because of "their" offense. In a good deal of HS settings people hire the HC to bring in the his offense and defense.
What you are looking for is not hard you find. Demeo has a clinic along with a number of other guys. Most of them have DVDs, books and everything else. Set them down and go through and develop the offense or get one out of a "can". Both work as long as everyone knows it and buys in.
As far as the hire if the guy did not come in with a plan for now and the future then you take the guy that can cordinate the best. The guy you feel can get all the moving parts in order. Like others have said I think you are going about it the right way as far as personal selection. What you want in an offense is good stuff. Now you have to get your resources.
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Post by morris on Feb 5, 2008 9:26:48 GMT -6
Someone on here has went to it. If you do a search you can find the thread. The guy seemed very happy and was going back to another clinic date bringing his QB with him
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Post by morris on Mar 26, 2008 5:26:17 GMT -6
5-10 minutes each practice. Since we are MS we do not kick FGs though we are looking to change that. In 5-10 we can rep KO and KOR or P/PR enough to feel good about it. That still adds up to more Special Teams then most of the teams we paly against I think.
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Post by morris on Mar 11, 2008 6:45:48 GMT -6
That is one rules change I think they made I do not like is they can free sub now. I am not sure how many people play both ways now. Franklin and Jenkins both ran their offense out of the gun. I think the reason you see less/no gun is because they want to get the ball out as fast as they can at times. I knwo you cna throw quick out of the gun but you can throw faster undercenter.
I wish there was more running but I think that is has to do with the how wide the field is. I do think it would interesting to see some zone read type stuff. The AFL suffers from the same type of QB outlook as the NFL. They are not going to pu ttheir QB in that type of position. The AFL2 on the other hand might.
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Post by morris on Mar 11, 2008 5:10:44 GMT -6
I have been watching the AFL since the 80s (Detriot Drive and such). There have been some very interesting things in the AFL/AFL2/IFL that I wish I could get tape on. Franklin coached the Lexington team and ran the Air Raid. Jenkins ran a version of the Run and Shoot in the AFL2.
I use to watch the CFL a ton too growing up. Toronto with Pinball Williams and the likes. If it is football I will watch it just about.
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Post by morris on Mar 4, 2008 8:57:19 GMT -6
Education of a Coach goes directly into the Milloy quote. The idea player will respect you if you know what you are talking about. You do not have to know everything just find something and learn it very well. Pick something an dleanr a ton about it and then move to something else.
One upside to guys that never played is you do nto have to reteach them nor do you have to break habits. Sometimes with guys that played you run into the problem of " we did it like this so this is how I am going to teach it" or they do not buy into what the staff is doing. With someone like you they just say these are the terms and the techniques and you go from there.
I think the best thing for me was the fact I did not play a ton in HS. I spent all my time on scout team so I had to learn a new offense and defense every week.
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Post by morris on Jan 31, 2008 9:00:18 GMT -6
We keep our defense simple because we do not want our players having to think much. The more they have to think the more chance the reaction will be slow. We go into a game looking to stop the best 3-5 things our opponents does and/or the player. At the top level you have more athletes so you have to play against better but as you go down to smaller schools it is different.
We want to know if you can beat us with your #2 WR or the 2nd or 3rd back. Defense is about forcing teams to do what they do not want to do. In Super Bowl 25 the plan was they wanted Thomas to rush for over 100 yrds because it ate up clock. Against the Rams they want to hit Faulk on every play. If a team can beat us with their 5th and 6th best plays then ok but we like our chances better. Keep it simple and just get real good at it. Its the same concept behind Air Raid except on the other side of the ball.
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Post by morris on Dec 12, 2007 6:37:45 GMT -6
Much the same same here though we wil be using this form of wedge blocking this coming year. I have found that the hardest part of the sneak is getting the QB not to rush it. It almost turns into a minidraw for us. We have been lucky to break some big gains when the QB pauses just a little and a crease just pops open.
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Post by morris on Mar 5, 2008 7:38:48 GMT -6
we set it up with a practice field and game field. All the 1s are on the game field all the 2s on the practice. 15 min and 15 min, water and rotate. Lets the the guys get more work in.
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Post by morris on Nov 19, 2007 8:03:36 GMT -6
We go today and tomorrow
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Post by morris on Mar 3, 2008 6:38:03 GMT -6
I started coaching in college my freshmen year. I started with Women's flagfootball on campus. While that does not seem like the best place to start it worked well for me. We would go to the National Championship event every year. If you have never watched a 7 on 7 flag on th ecallege level it is like watching spread option teams. In the mid 90 teams were already running a ton of different spread option concepts along with jet and some zone read type concepts.
After the first few years I found the book that changed everything for me which was Coverdale's Bunch Concept book. I installed Coverdale's stuff and went from there. While it is not a great begining think about this. Take a few of your school's cheerleaders, a few soccer, softball and basketball players and teach them how to read zone/man, make route adjustments and throw a football. You'll leanr a good deal.
I wish when I was in college I would have went overseas to coach. Leach from TT did this. I would also find the best programs around and try to work with them or at least talk to them. Most will be open to you.
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Post by morris on Dec 15, 2007 20:29:17 GMT -6
I was looking for college games on tape and ran across this site www.footballvideos.com/At first I was fairly excited because of the games he had to offer. All kinds of stuff and he had what i was looking for. then I looked at the price. Now I am hoping I am just stupid and reading the price wrong but I think this guy is crazy. Checkout the price on this stuff. Great idea I do not see how he gets anyone to pay 109.99 for 1 game and shipping
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Post by morris on Dec 16, 2007 9:24:37 GMT -6
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Post by morris on Nov 6, 2007 17:43:46 GMT -6
Coverdale has a nice system from his books. You start with a default backfield set for the season (its the I for us) and from there you just use names. Rex/Lex (slot right/left) Ron/Lon Ram/Lion (2 TE, 2 WRs)
and so on. We never flip our WR because it is just easier for our kids ot understand it is XYZ. I think we coudl get into just about any formation with about 3 set of names and a few tags like strong/weak or using a number to set an H back. Rex 8 would put you in double slots. Look through the book it (the first in the quick passing game)
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Post by morris on Apr 7, 2008 5:21:26 GMT -6
On the MS level the HC go out for the toss with the captians so it cuts down on mistakes. THere are a number of different factors we use to determine if we take it or defer. We have a good defense and we cover fairly well so I like getting the short field.
If we know the team well we take the ball most times or if we want to jump on a team early. If there is a good deal of unknown then we go defense first and then go from there. There have been times I did not want the ball to start the game because I needed to calm down.
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Post by morris on Feb 29, 2008 19:54:14 GMT -6
You have a way to get soem film ro information on the guy from OH? where in OH is he coaching?
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Post by morris on Dec 14, 2007 6:09:02 GMT -6
We still go by Defense and special teams win chamiponships. We teach the 1 goal on defense is to score. We feel if with every snap if we try to score on defense the other defensive goals take care of themselves. We feel those 2 aspects fo the game help place the offense in good positions.
There were a number of KY state championship games that were lost due to special teams and defense. The offenses that put up points were set up often by the defense and special teams.
I do feel for offense we need to score 20-30 pts a game though. If my offense is not a legit threat to average 30 pts a game then I am making changes to something. I have been lucky over the past few years to be able to do that running the ball. I have never said we lost a game because of our defense though. No matter what is going on on that side of the ball I believe we should outscore the opponent. Its just our mindset.
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