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Post by dubber on Dec 11, 2007 18:46:33 GMT -6
I know only a handful of guys on here run the DW offense, but NEARLY ALL of us at some point run QB sneak. It is a vital and often over looked aspect of offensive football.
Personally, I feel that whatever team I coach, whatever offense I run, I NEED to be able to get a yard whenever I need it. I was coaching a team that negated to practice the sneak, and it killed us in one game.
Coach Calande, our resident DW guy, runs a DW clinic. Here is a helpful clip from his clinic, concerning "wedge":
Steve's team didn't run DW, but he said they used the same style of wedge blocking out of I formation.
While we are on the subject, does anyone have any "finer points" on how to run the QB sneak?
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Post by tedseay on Dec 12, 2007 6:24:28 GMT -6
While we are on the subject, does anyone have any "finer points" on how to run the QB sneak? Coach: I approach the sneak from the perspective of a pass-oriented offense from under center. For that reason, I want the QB to take a step back from center with the ball which should be identical to his first step in a three-step drop while he brings the ball up to his "pouch" with both hands. When that foot hits the ground, I want him rocking forward, securing the ball with both arms, and moving in behind the center around whom the wedge blocking is forming. From that point on I treat the mechanics of the play identically to a DWing FB wedge or a SWing blocking back wedge. |
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Post by olinecoach61 on Dec 12, 2007 6:34:05 GMT -6
Similar to Ted, I tell the Qb to pause for 1 second and then find the seam.
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Post by morris on Dec 12, 2007 6:37:45 GMT -6
Much the same same here though we wil be using this form of wedge blocking this coming year. I have found that the hardest part of the sneak is getting the QB not to rush it. It almost turns into a minidraw for us. We have been lucky to break some big gains when the QB pauses just a little and a crease just pops open.
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Post by mitch on Dec 12, 2007 9:47:54 GMT -6
I'm just the opposite. I don't want a millimeter of space between the center and QB. They should be welded together.
This isn't a play that we expect to break out on, although it does happen from time to time. If you are playing a team that knows you are going to QB wedge on short yardage, they will probably play some type of crash defense and that pause can get you no gain or a loss in a hurry.
Of course, our offense isn't pass oriented like Ted's, so a drop step never even enters our thinking. To me this is as "old-school, tough-it-out" as offense can get. We want to force the issue and make our own seam, instead of searching for one in the defense.
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Post by Mav on Dec 12, 2007 10:02:58 GMT -6
We consider QB Wedge and Sneak two very different plays --
With QB Wedge the oline squeezes into the lineman inside him using short choppy steps. The QB presses forward immediately, with the backs also pushing the pile.
On Sneak the oline man blocks and the QB steps back and finds a bubble to exploit, with the backs flaring out.
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Post by dubber on Dec 12, 2007 10:27:12 GMT -6
intersting points about waiting or not waiting a second.
I guess you have to wait a little if you are going to use this type of blocking (so the OG's can get together)
I've often though about having a "wedge" team.........Put the huge guys in there, put in my biggest FB........you can guess the personnel
I'd have three plays:
wedge
PAP wedge (little dump pass)
NO PLAY (draw the defense off-sides)
I'd send the wedge team in whenever I needed a yard.
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Post by brophy on Dec 12, 2007 10:30:48 GMT -6
thanks for the video, that was a good clinic, concepts, and technique
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Post by airraider on Dec 12, 2007 10:35:11 GMT -6
We tie the sneak in with our freeze play.. if its a manageable down.. 4th and 3 or so.. we call.. silent sneak.. Team gets to the line.. everyone down.. QB barks out the cadence.. "blue 80 blue 80 set hut.. hut.. hut.. then he pauses then taps the centers butt and the center snaps the ball and both of them plow forward.. so its a freeze and sneak in one..
if we do not want the sneak and only the freeze.. then we just call freeze..
has been good to us..
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Post by dubber on Dec 12, 2007 10:38:54 GMT -6
We tie the sneak in with our freeze play.. if its a manageable down.. 4th and 3 or so.. we call.. silent sneak.. Team gets to the line.. everyone down.. QB barks out the cadence.. "blue 80 blue 80 set hut.. hut.. hut.. then he pauses then taps the centers butt and the center snaps the ball and both of them plow forward.. so its a freeze and sneak in one.. if we do not want the sneak and only the freeze.. then we just call freeze.. has been good to us.. rest of your guys stay in their stances? I know some teams do this, and I like the idea.....kinda stalls the rest of the defense |
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Post by airraider on Dec 12, 2007 11:12:44 GMT -6
We tie the sneak in with our freeze play.. if its a manageable down.. 4th and 3 or so.. we call.. silent sneak.. Team gets to the line.. everyone down.. QB barks out the cadence.. "blue 80 blue 80 set hut.. hut.. hut.. then he pauses then taps the centers butt and the center snaps the ball and both of them plow forward.. so its a freeze and sneak in one.. if we do not want the sneak and only the freeze.. then we just call freeze.. has been good to us.. rest of your guys stay in their stances? I know some teams do this, and I like the idea.....kinda stalls the rest of the defense They go on movement.. by that time nothing bad can happen.. |
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Post by dubber on Dec 12, 2007 11:13:41 GMT -6
sweet
I like both schools of thought
How about the "wedge team"? any takers on that idea?
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Post by coachburgess on Dec 12, 2007 13:04:51 GMT -6
I have tried a wedge team before with the bobble heads as a way to eat plays for minimum play kids. It's not the worst idea in the world, but blocking in a wedge takes practice and discipline. Even when you get it looking good in practice, it's amazing how quickly the kids forget what they are supposed to do in games. As for short yardage, I either like to go very quickly (before the defense is really set up) or no-plays work pretty darn well. On the third sound, we go just about the time the defense is starting to stand up and cheer for not jumping off sides.  |
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Post by jhanawa on Dec 12, 2007 14:52:57 GMT -6
we ran wedge from the shotgun, we had very good success with it, so much so that it became its own series.
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Post by dubber on Dec 12, 2007 15:00:12 GMT -6
we ran wedge from the shotgun, we had very good success with it, so much so that it became its own series. I've heard of this, but it is a new one on me (I guess I really should learn how wedge out of SW works) Care to share particulars jhanawa? is it a read? what? |
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Post by gmccown on Dec 12, 2007 15:08:25 GMT -6
For me on sneak from a balanced DTDW I've always had the QB stay welded to the center if he's uncovered and hit tight playside if he's covered. (we green block a 3 tech on sneak).
On Wedge he is hitting behind the double (or triple) team whereever the rules put the POA.
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Post by champ93 on Dec 12, 2007 19:11:18 GMT -6
We run QB wedge from the gun. We move the Qb up to about 2.5 yds. The Line is foot to foot, with a left wing, a half back lined up behind the left cheek of the left guard and a FB behind the left cheek of the right guard.
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We sometimes would put the left wing in motion (deep rocket motion). We never failed on short yardage and actually used it on first down a few times. regularly picked up 4 yds. By being back off the ball, the wedge had time to form in front of the QB and he had momentum hitting it. He often got lost in there. We once broke a QB wedge for 74 yd TD.
We had a few other plays out of this (Hb trap, FB sweep, Waggle), but the wedge worked well. Truthfully, we should have done it more.
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Post by dubber on Dec 13, 2007 11:37:18 GMT -6
We run QB wedge from the gun. We move the Qb up to about 2.5 yds. The Line is foot to foot, with a left wing, a half back lined up behind the left cheek of the left guard and a FB behind the left cheek of the right guard. -- o o o x o o o --o---o--o --------o We sometimes would put the left wing in motion (deep rocket motion). We never failed on short yardage and actually used it on first down a few times. regularly picked up 4 yds. By being back off the ball, the wedge had time to form in front of the QB and he had momentum hitting it. He often got lost in there. We once broke a QB wedge for 74 yd TD. We had a few other plays out of this (Hb trap, FB sweep, Waggle), but the wedge worked well. Truthfully, we should have done it more. Now that is awesome.......I may do it this way! |
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