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Post by morris on Mar 4, 2008 9:17:54 GMT -6
I think that is where Todd Dodge ended up from famed SLC. IF so then yes
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Post by morris on Mar 4, 2008 9:13:15 GMT -6
Tony Franklin also went from HS to RB coach in Kentucky. He then went to OC after a few years
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Post by morris on Dec 14, 2007 9:09:59 GMT -6
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Post by morris on Dec 14, 2007 6:27:08 GMT -6
Well I am not sure when Morriss joined the staff but what is even more so impressive is that Leach started with Mumme in Iowa. They coached Hatcher and then he joined them (though at some point he coached Cullpepper). Franklin helped get Mumme the job at KY and beleive he was coaching HS at Calloway County. I think the core of that group had been workign together for a good deal fo time working up from Div III (I think) to SEC to where they all are now.
One of the biggest surprises to me is Franklin. In the short time he was with Mumme he learned the offense and now is considered one of the leading people when it comes to it. Sorta a strange rise through the coaching ranks. Mumme has some what fallen off the map. I know he is a HC but it is strange seeing the guy that brought it together and where he is at compared to Leach, Franklin and even Hatcher.
On the article, it is a great little primer for the offense. IF nothing esle it stresses how simple they wanted to keep things. Simple and repeatable. Everything translates to the field. Even if you do not run the Air Raid offense (which I beleive the term came from Mumme's run at KY) you can take some very important points from the article. Simple and repeatable
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Post by morris on Feb 4, 2008 9:30:39 GMT -6
Has anyone looked a the poluation make up of these areas? There is no way to tell but it would be interesting to see the number of skill players that come from these areas and the number of line positions that come from Neb and the such.
Part of it I am sure is culture and might even be quality of coaching from the bottom all the way to the top. Winning at a program sure helps get players attention and motivate. Those programs also develop reps for playing higher quality teams so opponents are not drawn into question as much
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Post by morris on Mar 3, 2008 9:09:21 GMT -6
We use them all and it is a little differen teach year. It depends on talent level we have and who we are playing.
Now in practice we take a personal performance POV more than anything. We stress "Do your job" over and over. We want the players to feel if they just do their job we will be fine. So throughout the week we worry more about our kids just doing things the right way (technique and assignment) more than anything. If they feel good about what they are suppose to do and how they are suppose to do it then good things happen.
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Post by morris on Dec 11, 2007 19:10:02 GMT -6
I would be very very surprised if Brooks steps down. I could not see Hatcher being hired by UK. More than likely the job would go to Joker with the OC going to the QB coach
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Post by morris on Dec 11, 2007 17:00:00 GMT -6
That is going to make things interesting
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Post by morris on Feb 21, 2008 16:16:38 GMT -6
Its a shame I was not a QB. I honeslty have always liked the idea of coaching over seas. The problem has always been timing as far as the school year was concerned it is always bad.
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Post by morris on Nov 30, 2007 6:10:48 GMT -6
We are sorta going through the same thing right now. We have been a I/Power I team for the 3-5 years or so. We have lost our line and the opponents are going to be better this year. We are not convinved we can slam the ball right down your throat. We are a middle school and have run the crap out of lead, off tackle and toss sweep. Passing it has been hot pass, stick off PA and few other little twists.
We want to go to more series type footbal so it is harder to lock in on what we do. We will have a stud back at TB and want to take advantage of that. Are backfield choices have been veyr close to what Loch stated. Our 2 nd TB is our FB and the Powerback is more of a blocker. We went 11-0 last year doing it this way but we are alreayd feeling the pressure a little of doing it again.
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Post by morris on Jan 24, 2008 16:21:40 GMT -6
I would love to see what Southlake runs in their MS. I believe Hoover is another school that has a feeder system built much like Southlake. I am also sure that Warren, Southlake and others spent a good deal of time developing what the MS was going to run, how to install, teahc and call. A large part of their success is also due to the amount of effort and resources they put into the program. If as a MS coach I was in that type of set up then it is a no brainer but most MS are not in that position.
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Post by morris on Jan 24, 2008 6:59:10 GMT -6
What about the middle school teams? Should they run what the Varsity team is running? My post earlier is from that perspective. If you want the MS team to run the HS stuff then every needs to get together and talk about it. It would not be as easy as here is the stuff or watch these videos. There are a lot of good programs and good coaches that have no idea how/what to have a MS feeder program run. I know because I am constantly asking people here on these boards and other coaches. One reason (main reason) we do not use the HS terminology is because it is all over the place. It could be streamlined but it is one of those things were they pulled terms from different coaches and schemes. We tend to make things more complex then they have to be. Look at the D line numbering system most people use. The system is still in place due to the fact that it is common and what has been taught and not because it is the best system. Many HS coaches do not know what a MS defense looks like or common adjustments at that level. Our HC could not believe it when I explained to him how a MS defense would align. Overal I think it is a fine line. We could run the gun veer or a version but does that put our players in the best position to win? There are a number of HS teams here in KY that have won/win state titles that do not have MS/JR High programs. In the end you are dealing with so many complex factors that there is not going to be a good or overall accpeted answer. There is a ton of "chicken or egg" issues to deal with. IMHO I think the MS should be tied tothe HS but only if it is done correclty. A structure, plan, and resources all must be in placed and not just things like there is a video zone block.
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Post by morris on Jan 23, 2008 16:45:21 GMT -6
I do not think anyone believes they are a bad coach. few might think fo themselves as great or top tier coaches but not anyone is going to say they are a bad coach. We all know though some people just are not that good.
Like someone else said when I HS is not very successful then it is harder for a feeder program to buy in. Take South Lake Carrol for example. The HS does extremely well and so kids want to play for that program so they want to play in the feeder system. Parents put their kids into those feeder programs because they run the system and it gives their kids a better chance. South Lake also givetheir MS coaches state rings when they win is my understanding
Everyone is assuming a HS HC knows how to build a feeder program. Our defense is exactly what Louisville Male and our offense is designed off of Louisville Trinity (Coverdale). Both of these schools have either allowed us to visit and or shared information with us. Those teams also have won a good deal of state titles over the past 15 years or so. As great as those programs are they do not have much of an answer for you when you ask them what they would want a feeder MS to run. Some HS coaches just want you to run what the HS is running yet they have no idea how to adapt it down to fit the enviroment, resources and skill level. Its like seeing a youth coach say he is going to download the WVU playbook and have his kids run it.
We have become a very successful MS team as far as Ws. Our numbers have went up year after year. We are getting players that would not normaly come out. This is in large part because we have been winning. Switching schemes could hurt that portion of us building the program. How many HS coaches want their MS to run true zone blocking? How many want them to run true gun tripple? How many have watched a true Air Raid feeder program play?
If the structure is there then I think it is in the best interest for the MS team to run the system. The downside is most HS coaches do not take the time to truly develop a feeder system. This is one reason I think Calande and Cisar are veyr popular with youth/MS teams because it is a developed structure to it all.
In the end there is a ton of factors that go into this. Attempting to force a lower level coach to do something is not smart. Some of you might be able to "get rid of" those coaches but most can not. Developing bad blood there is not good. If you are a HC and this is what you wnat you best approach is to develop a relationship.
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Post by morris on Jan 18, 2008 9:17:53 GMT -6
MS teams can run Air Raid. There are a number of good MS Air Raid teams in KY. It has to do with the teaching of it. I know of some MS teams that run 33, 35, and the such and do fine. The part they focus on is the stopping the run since that is what they will see.
Below MS with the youth you just turn it into more of singlewing type stuff. Gets them use to the gun and it is close to the gun run game.
Where I have an issue with HS/MS is when you get a HS coachign staff that wants you to run or use techniques that just are not developmental wise the best idea. Like IZ/OZ for MS. You can do it but will it work better than straight man? Contact the guys at Lexington Christian. What they do sounds close to what you are looking to do.
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Post by morris on Dec 11, 2007 15:56:45 GMT -6
How much do you throw in practice? All the time (not 100% but close to it). The WR and Qs should always have a football in their hands and throwing or working on it. RBs it depends but it will be close to the same. this si also going with the thinking that you are going to throw the ball 50 or so times a game.
Noose: set up 2 cones for every Q you have. the WR start at one cone run to the other cone and settle up showing the numbers. They can also go to one cone and return to the first cone and settle showing numbers. set up is shown below.
----------C---------------C---WR -----------------Q-----------------
Q is about 10 yds or so away.
Pat in go is the Wr just goes stragith up the field and the Q throws the ball. I believe it is off of 1 step and you hit the WR around 15 yrds. Vary the the type of ball and think of it as hitting the soft spot in a 2 deep.
Mesh: You use trash cans, standup dummies, coaches or players. You need 3 or so and set them up like the Lbers in a 43. The players run mesh and settle between the cans. A Q throws to both WRs. You advance the drill by knocking over the can/dummy or having the player move out of the way to show "man". The WR keeps running.
They also do a Hi low drill which is just throwing the ball hi and the WR has to jump a little for it and low where it is below waist or high knee type level. They do the typical distraction drill with one player cross the face of the other and the Q throwing off the crosser. All these drill except Mesh are done at lower speeds as warmups.
These are all the drills Mumme and them did at UK. there is some others where the Q works on stepping underneath or "getting big", work the line but most if not all are common Q drills.
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Post by morris on Dec 11, 2007 8:46:49 GMT -6
No stretching. Warm up is noose, pat and go for WR and Qs. Then you run the mesh drill. You then go to routes on air with 5 Qs throwing and each WR catching a ball and scoring each play. You go through the whole passing game. 7 on 7 is after that. At some point during the week or even the practice you will have a screen on air period.
Now Hatcher describes a 2 minute drill they use in which you start at the -2 in between the hashes. No matter what happens the next play is place on the right hash on the 10. Run a play then it is 15 or 20 middle, then 20-30 left hash. You play the play all the way through but no matter if you score or the D scores or whatever the ball is moved.
The other thing is the kids have the wrist coaches from day one so there is never a huddle. It is all called off the wrist coach from coach to players.
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Post by morris on Jan 28, 2008 8:24:50 GMT -6
I believe that is how they ended up knowing each other. They were both there at the same time coachign against eachother Wyatt (I believe) lost to Markham and was sold on the system.
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Post by morris on Oct 21, 2007 12:06:59 GMT -6
We use a "hit stick" and we also painted up blocks with gold spray paint and gave out the "golden block" award.
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Post by morris on Mar 25, 2008 7:23:42 GMT -6
In KY you can have spring ball 2 weeks after your schools basketball season ends. You get 3 weeks to get in 10 practices I believe. We also have a dead period during the summer when no coaching can take place. Spring ball can be full contact.
That is the general idea of what we do here.
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Post by morris on Feb 29, 2008 23:21:23 GMT -6
I did not know Beatty was a R&S guy. I was not aware that is where the half roll stuff was coming from. They lost a state title game against a heavey blitzing man team and had always thought that was there adjustment. Move the pocket was just something they were doing also to create shorter throws.
The seam read is common in most passing offenses. Anyoen running 4 verts has a guy reading MOFO/MOFC. When you look at Coverdale and Robinson's empty stuff there is a number fo read on the run type concepts. The outside read is pure R & S choice. Jenkins learned his stuff from the Gamblers and Gold period of the USFL. Those reads go back to Ellison and Red Faught.
Spacing came from Walsh and Coverdale sometimes talks about the Drive concept which is a WCO play. The post route on his bootleg package came from Denver which I am sure he said.
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Post by morris on Feb 29, 2008 22:15:59 GMT -6
There are parts of Coverdale's stuff that is very simple but I think it has to do with how indepth you are going to go. His WR might have 3 different types of release (Aim, Tilt, etc) and his stuff does get into go 14 then 2 then pivot back down to 12. Simple but full of details and coaching points. I am not sure where the run and shoot concept is coming from. He seems to take a ton of stuff from Walsh and Gilliman. He does write about switch and 4 verts but woudl not consider that to tie him to the R&S.
I sometime wonder if some of the schools here in KY even know who they are dealing with. While Trinity is not hurting for players they are not the most athletic team in the state. They are not just overflowing with talent every year.
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Post by morris on Feb 28, 2008 6:27:16 GMT -6
Coverdale has some similar concepts and through tags and get into Air Raid plays but in the end they are two different animals. Coverdale's stuff is multi pro style. He does use the gun some and uses a ton of formations, motions and shifts. Presnap it would look like the Rams when Martz was the OC. Coverdale is more along the lines of Gillman or Coryelle (sp).
Both systems are good. Coverdale tends to be undercenter more but I think that depends on talent and a few other things. The big upside ot Coverdale is that it a ton cheaper and he is veyr willing to help you out. The man could talk 2 hrs just on the bootleg game and its tags. When you watch his teams the concepts do not seem very complex but they are extremely effective.
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Post by morris on Feb 27, 2008 13:53:19 GMT -6
Well you would get more answers if you posted this in the passing section since there is a ton of Air Raid information there. Most of the questios you are asking can be found in those threads. Just go to the passing section and read all the Air Raid stuff and hit the back button to go to the next page.
Now the numbers do not mean anything in Air Raid. They are just another name for the play.
Mumme, Hatcher, Leach and Franklin all run the same system. there might be some small differences but as a whole they run the same thing. Mumme got it from BYU. Leach coached with Mumme and learned it from BYU an dMumme. Hatcher played for Mumme and Leach and then coached for them. Franklin started off as a RB coach after Mumme had been at Kentucky for a while. Franklin got moved ot OC after Leach left for OK. He of course left to go to Texas Tech. Franklin and Mumme did not get along and so when Mumme left UK under NCAA recruitment Franklin was left blakcballed to a degree. He started shopping his knowledtge around that he learned from his time at UK and built a client list up.
The Mumme DVDs are not worth getting. Hatchers series is the best out right now. Franklin goes into more detail but that is due to the fact his DVDs for his clients are more 13 DVDs or so insted of the 3 from Hatcher. Hatcher I believe is the best teacher of the group. Never talked to Mumme before and Franklin does a good job presenting information and he should for as long as he has been doing it. Leach is Leach which is one veyr smart coach but a little on the strange side.
Hatcher now might have the more complex run game but that is because he has option guys right now at GS. Air Raid teams do not have complex run games. It is ISO, Draw, trap and stretch and that is about it. while Hoover is a franklin client and Air Raid they do some of their own stuff. I think if Propst (sp) did not win as much as he did Franklin would point to him as to how not to do certain things.
As far as simple..you can not get much more simple then Air Raid. It is not complex in any way and that has been by design. They all practice the same. You can get the UK drill tape on here with Franklin, Leach or hatcher depending on the year. It goes through all the drills the skills guy do. It shows how they practice. There is also a number of articles out there by all 4 going over the information.
In non of the DVDs past bootleg Franklin stuff will you ever see anything about run or past protection past a small bit. Mumme does have a DVD but it is just drawing up ISO and the draw. Protection is just BOB with a few adjustments.
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Post by morris on Dec 14, 2007 6:17:52 GMT -6
I enjoy the level I am at now (MS). If the right job came along I could see going to a HS (more than likely small). Ideal job is something along the small HS where I would be assistant HC where we could build a program up.
My wish is that I could coach more. You only have so many seasons but there is so much stuff I would like to try on offense and defense. Its just not fair or smart to change stuff every year. I would like to coach overseas once. It is a shame that it would conflict with school or my normal season.
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Post by morris on Dec 11, 2007 8:39:29 GMT -6
There is a number of factors that go into this I think.
1. Level: Going for it on 4th and 3 in MS or youth is not aggressive. It might not be in HS in some cases.
2. Your offense: If you throw 30-40+ times a game as opposed to running the ball 40+ times then certain things are going to come across as aggressive play calling. Getting a little out of your norm I guess.
3. the game itself: Is it the first game of the year or a playoff champiosnhip game. Watched a team this weekend go for it on 4th and 2 from the 2 down by 3 in a state championship game. You do that in a different game it may come across as different.
I think of Martz as an aggressive play caller a good deal. When you force the tempo or issue I find that aggressive. Bowden has an article in which he talks about hating to wait to score. Some teams take a very methodical approach lets put together some first downs type of thinking. Others it is almost as if 1st downs are a secound thought. I am not usre if that makes sense or not but it is less poetic then Brophy's.
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Post by morris on Feb 6, 2008 21:09:21 GMT -6
"Bueller? Bueller?" Ben Stien who by the way was a speach writer for Nixon
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Post by morris on Feb 26, 2008 6:34:57 GMT -6
I know back in the USFL days the Gamblers beleived if you could not get it done in 1.5 hrs then something is not right. Our problem is we might play on a tuesday and then again on thursday or sat. So we might get 3-4 practices in before a game or we might get 2.
You do not have to do everything every day. There are certain things that need to be done in every practice but yo ucna split up the stuff. Work on screens on tues, blitz on a different day and so on. When you try to practice stuff everyday at what poitn are you not getting the returns on it that you are looking for.
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Post by morris on Jan 10, 2008 20:10:36 GMT -6
At that age speed is more important. He will get the chance to get stronger n a year or so. Speed and footwork make the biggest difference at that level.
Now we do an off season training program but it is the SEAL workout. No true lifting except their own body weight
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Post by morris on Feb 8, 2008 8:29:53 GMT -6
I think it is a good idea. It helps develop kids with more 1 on 1 type and you do nto feel as rushed to "get things in"
Now as far as illegal practice goes we start in March with 2 days a week then have a period of 2 weeks that ends in a scrimage. We also take our kids to the local 5 day NFL camp. This has paid off a good deal the last 2-3 years
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Post by morris on Feb 4, 2008 8:10:09 GMT -6
As I understand it, the only way you can cut in shotgun is if you do it immediately at the snap. This partof what I am talking about. It all comes down to when the refs believe the ball has left the FBZ. A guy can argue the ball leaves the FBZ (which is 3yrds back from the ball?) before the cut occurs. Take that on top of the fact most QB depth in a gun is 4.5-5 yrds and the Oline is as far off the ball as they can get.
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