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Post by wingt74 on Apr 3, 2008 7:39:50 GMT -6
So the NFL has implemented the option for the winner of the coin flip to open a game...to defer to the 2nd half. What do you think NFL coaches will want to do? I'm a Packer fan, and back when Favre played (ouch), I always wanted the Pack to kick to start the game because Favre was always to fired up to start a game and seemed to overthrow stuff. Anyway, two theories I have. 1. Want the ball in the first half, take it down the field, score, get the lead, have an edge emotionally Additionally, if you have a lot of two way players, (Especially lineman) you may want to get the ball while your offense is fresh. 2. Other thought is you want the ball in the 2nd half, so you have maximum amount of time to take advantage of your halftime adjustments. Morale boost too in knowing your team is going to get the ball right away in the 2nd half. Wonder what the NFL teams will opt for now? What do you guys do? For me, I usually defer on the road and take the ball at home...not 100% sure why
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Post by qbguru on Apr 3, 2008 7:57:54 GMT -6
I always want to take the ball to start the game. Nothing like going down and scoring on your 1st drive to start the game for confidence. Plus you always have the chance for an electrifying kickoff return. It always seems to me , that if we take the ball 1st, we might get 1 more possession than the other team. That adds up.
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Post by realdawg on Apr 3, 2008 8:04:46 GMT -6
Depends on which of your unites is best. If your offense is best-take the ball. However, if you have a good D, kick, play field position, and shorten that field.
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Post by thunder17 on Apr 3, 2008 8:06:44 GMT -6
Defer. Like to let the defense set the tone. A good three and out always fires the boys up. Also like having the O start with the ball in the 2nd half. Being the DC it gives me a few more minutes to make adjustments if needed.
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Post by gschwender on Apr 3, 2008 8:16:57 GMT -6
i always defer--leaves for he possibility that they will kick-seldom happens but does once in a while--they make a mistake before the game even starts
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Post by kurtbryan on Apr 3, 2008 8:24:11 GMT -6
I defer about two times per season for all of the reasons listed above.
I like having the football in our team's hands.
KB ;D
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Post by williamcrehan on Apr 3, 2008 8:26:11 GMT -6
I always used to defer, but a wise old man told me once, "why are you kicking off and giving them the ball at their own 35-45 and giving them a short field." We have never had a really good kicker, so that made sense at the time. But, I agree... if your defense is your strength, let them start, if not... receive.
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Post by superpower on Apr 3, 2008 9:07:36 GMT -6
Because we sell our team on our ball control philosophy, we take the ball 1st whenever possible. Our guys believe that we are going to march down the field and score every time. When we do, it gives us an advantage because we now have the lead and we want to shorten the game and limit the other team's possessions. Last season we were 7-1 when we scored first and 0-2 when the opponent scored first.
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Post by FB4life on Apr 3, 2008 9:19:32 GMT -6
If we win the toss; we will defer the kick-- all the time. I want my defense to set the tempo early and I want the ball first in the second half. Why? 1. Our defense was the strength of our team 2. (what you mentioned above) Other thought is you want the ball in the 2nd half, so you have maximum amount of time to take advantage of your halftime adjustments. Morale boost too in knowing your team is going to get the ball right away in the 2nd half.
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Post by coachcastleman on Apr 3, 2008 9:30:56 GMT -6
We usually defer. We actually had a team chose to kick, I don't think the kid understood what he was doing. So we got the ball kick to us to start each half. This has happend once on the varsity level the last two years and once on the JV level this past season. I always make sure my captains know what to do. This year during the varisty when the kid chose to kick the official even tried to help him and explain again, but he still chose to kick.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Apr 3, 2008 9:31:09 GMT -6
We always defer... we are ball control and we can't kick very well... so that (choice to defer) seems like a bad idea. We've usually been pretty good on D though.
My mindset (and that of our coaches and players) is that we get the ball to start the 2nd half, once we've been able to go over their D and what we can do to it at halftime (we almost exclusively play both ways, so no OL meeting time while D is on the field). Additionally (ideally), we should be able to limit our opponents to two or three possessions in the 2nd (which really has happened a lot).
Also, with the wind here, we like to take the wind (more specifically, make passing teams go against a 35 mph wind), without sacrificing a possession. A lot of times here the wind dies down a bit by the 2nd half anyway.
I'm not sure how it will impact things in the NFL... but I'd bet a lot of teams will use this option, especially the first year it is available.
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Post by cmow5 on Apr 3, 2008 9:40:22 GMT -6
Do what Dave Cisar tells his kids. Tell the officials "we want the ball" if the official tells the kid thats not an option the kid says "we want the ball". I love it!!!
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Post by rattfink on Apr 3, 2008 11:45:22 GMT -6
I believe you will see a lot of NFL road teams defer for 1 reason:
- 12 minutes NFL halftime
Have you ever looked at the stands at the beginning of the 2nd half? They are usually half empty because the fans are still in line at the concession stands or restrooms so the noise will be down. Why put your offense on the field to begin the game when the fans are generally pretty rowdy?
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Post by wingt74 on Apr 3, 2008 12:54:36 GMT -6
I believe you will see a lot of NFL road teams defer for 1 reason: - 12 minutes NFL halftime Have you ever looked at the stands at the beginning of the 2nd half? They are usually half empty because the fans are still in line at the concession stands or restrooms so the noise will be down. Why put your offense on the field to begin the game when the fans are generally pretty rowdy? Wow, awesome insight...I bet you're right
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Apr 3, 2008 13:07:44 GMT -6
Do what Dave Cisar tells his kids. Tell the officials "we want the ball" if the official tells the kid thats not an option the kid says "we want the ball". I love it!!!
Not to digress... but we have at least two crews in our area who would say: "Fine. You want the ball. Here it is. Kick it."
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Post by cqmiller on Apr 3, 2008 14:10:42 GMT -6
I love to defer to the 2nd half... You get to choose which side of the field to play on in the first half, so you can create an advantage for yourself in the 2nd quarter for a late FG or long drive with the wind. Then you get the ball right back at the start of the second half. Getting a big score right before half, then coming out in the 3rd and putting another one in demoralizes the kids on the other team... Lots of positive momentum in a row for your squad.
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Post by tog on Apr 3, 2008 15:05:07 GMT -6
Since I don't really believe in halftime adjustments (the adjustments need to be made sooner than that or it is too late, don't get me wrong we still coach em up during halftime, but we don't wait until then to attack weak points of the opponent or to address weak areas of ourselves)
anyhow since that
I prefer to get the ball and start rolling. Put the pressure on the other team.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 3, 2008 15:11:37 GMT -6
I think it depends on your kick-off team, and the average starting field position you expect the opposition to have because of your KO team. As someone else mentioned, if you generally allow the team to start at the 35/40...you are putting yourself in the position to play on the long field for a while. If not, then I would defer.
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Post by tcm57 on Apr 3, 2008 16:33:06 GMT -6
I love when teams defer. What are you always trying to do (besides score) throughout the game? Either "keep the ball" or "get the ball". There are only so many touches in a h.s. game and we want the ball.
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Post by los on Apr 3, 2008 19:35:43 GMT -6
Always defer.....with all the emotion going on at the beginning of every game.....I just figured.....let the team.....that "plays the best" with lots of emotion , out there first.....thats defense to me
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Post by ramsoc on Apr 3, 2008 20:52:10 GMT -6
We defer. Want my defense on the field to set the tone, then get field position and get a score on O.
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Post by tigercoach on Apr 4, 2008 18:40:18 GMT -6
What about playing conditions? Lets say... raining, wet, cold, what about a field that runs east and west and you can kick where they have to receive it in the sun at anywhere between 7:00 & 8:00pm kickoff, how about strong winds or any combination thereof... Anybody make decisions on those factors?
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Post by bcurrier on Apr 4, 2008 23:17:00 GMT -6
Defer...most of the reasons to do so have already been mentioned: want defense to set the tone; opportunity to pick direction of play in light of weather and field conditions; immediate opportunity to implement halftime offensive adjustments in the 2nd half (TOG - point well made, but surely you don't make one set of adjustments during the first half and sit pat the rest of the way); demoralizing effect on opponent of a successful, time-consuming, ball-control drive to start the second half, especially in those games where we also had the last possession of the first half (which has the added benefit of "icing" the opponent's offense and giving our defense that much more rest); etc. Regarding the field position after kick-off: ten years ago, a veteran coach made the observation that, at the high school level, almost regardless of what either team does with the KO return or the coverage, the ball will wind up within 5 yards either way of the 35 yardline 85-90% of the time, and he challenged me to check him on it. My experience has borne out his observation. So, my philosophy is to get the defense out on the field, set a tone, force a 3-and-out, and give our offense the ball in good field position, which as the conventional thought goes, is the game within the game. Even if the opponent gets one first down, the odds are our defense will not allow the next first down, and given the range of most high school punters, our offense will still get the ball in good field position.
There is one exception to the above, one time when I choose to take the ball to start the game - when our opponent runs the double-wing offense, for the reasons "superpower" gives above. It is my experience that double-wing teams spend so much time honing their few offensive plays that they usually have weak defenses and weak special teams. For them, it's all about getting the ball in their offense's hands and playing keep-away. So, my philosophy against them is to take the ball, score, onside or pooch kick, get the ball back on a short field, and score a second time. Now, they're down 14, haven't touched the ball, and in a panic. They know their offense is not a good comeback offense, so they start reaching and running plays that are not central to their offense and that they're not as efficient at executing, creating the likelihood of turnovers or 4th down situations with distances-to-go that even they aren't willing to risk and forces them to use a punter who's not had too many reps. Plus, you know they're going to go for 2 if/when they do score, so when you play good goalline defense and prevent those conversions, they fall even further behind. The pleasure is doubled if you can turn their own philosophy against them and effectively convert 2 pt. PATs against their weak defense. Under the scenario I've laid out above, they're down 16, and now they can't even rely on their philosophy that going 50% on their 2 pt. PATs will keep them at least even with an opponent that kicks PATs. They know they have to put together two scoring drives AND successfully convert BOTH 2 pt. conversions AND play stout defense (which, again, is not one of their priorities).
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Post by clloyd on Apr 5, 2008 17:45:18 GMT -6
We defered when our defense was the best side of the ball. This year we wanted the ball to try and set the tone. Most of the time we didn't, but I think you have to set the mentality.
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Post by coachwarner on Apr 5, 2008 23:15:27 GMT -6
priority 1 Win the toss priority 2 take the ball If we were to defer(not likely, although sometimes a captain might lose his mind, you now how competitive that coin toss can be. ;D) you can bet your happy ass it would be a onside kick.
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Post by touchdowng on Apr 6, 2008 13:38:34 GMT -6
Depends on various factors.
We'd love to start the game with an 10-15 play scoring drive but we'd also like to start the game with a 3 and out on defense. Either way.
My DC and I talk about this and sometimes we don't decide until right before the coin toss. We try to factor in a few variables and let the players know what our decision is and why.
We cover "if we win the toss, we will do this..... "if they win the toss, we will do this....
We feel this helps our kids mentally prep for any situation and gives them a feeling that we've already dictated what will happen.
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Post by towtheline on Apr 6, 2008 18:09:00 GMT -6
always defer in case they kick then you get the ball at the start of BOTH halves...
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Post by morris on Apr 7, 2008 5:21:26 GMT -6
On the MS level the HC go out for the toss with the captians so it cuts down on mistakes. THere are a number of different factors we use to determine if we take it or defer. We have a good defense and we cover fairly well so I like getting the short field.
If we know the team well we take the ball most times or if we want to jump on a team early. If there is a good deal of unknown then we go defense first and then go from there. There have been times I did not want the ball to start the game because I needed to calm down.
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Post by cqmiller on Apr 7, 2008 9:44:05 GMT -6
What about playing conditions? Lets say... raining, wet, cold, what about a field that runs east and west and you can kick where they have to receive it in the sun at anywhere between 7:00 & 8:00pm kickoff, how about strong winds or any combination thereof... Anybody make decisions on those factors? If the conditions are severe enough to have a significant impact on the outcome of the game, then yes, I will change my mind and receive the 1st half... Last year, we were playing a game where the forcast was for HEAVY showers at kickoff. We could see the storm coming in, so we received knowing that by the time the second half started, the field would be in terrible condition, and we wanted to have the first series with no weather problems to give us an advantage
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