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Post by The Lunch Pail on Mar 18, 2018 0:39:23 GMT -6
This might sound crazy, but I’m not really a fan of 1v1 drills in general. Specifically ones where it’s two guys with the whole team watching. It’s not only inefficient (lots of guys standing around) but it’s also not a great indicator of who’s bad and who’s not. I wonder if there’s any other ways to build competition.
Anybody who knows anything about high school kids knows that they have massive insecurities and usually aren’t confident about themselves. It might not always be the best thing to constantly put them in situations with them on the spotlight and expect the light to come on eventually. It’s like having a soft team and thinking doing Oklahoma’s and bull in the ring all day will help. It is one of those things that’ll just make people hate football if you’re not careful.
Maybe it’s because I’m kinda scarred from my OL coach in high school. He’s a better coach today, but he was a young guy who never coached OL before. I didn’t learn a thing about OL that year. Every practice was 1v1s and on Thursdays we walked through plays. I was very frustrated because I was awful at 1v1’s. I just simply choked with all the spotlight on me and it ruined my confidence. I was much better during team, mainly because I knew the plays and how they worked and used proper technique that my previous OL coach taught.
It was infuriating to have to tell every other dummies starting alongside me their job every play. They didn’t start because of technique or knowing plays, they started because “DEM BOYZ GOOD AT DEM ONE ON ONES!” and we had multiple more talented guys having to come in about midway through every second quarter because the board drill champs weren’t cutting it.
But that’s enough about me. I probably sound crazy but that’s how I feel about these things. I maybe wouldn’t mind if it was like EVERYBODY doing these things at the same time about once every other week or so as a fun change up but I’ve never been a fan of board drills/pass rush/etc
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Mar 13, 2018 7:53:37 GMT -6
twitter.com/thecoachvogtHere's an under center dude. Tweets a lot of wing-t, but other offenses as well. Runs #dinosaurfootballchat once a week. Good guy, knowledgable. I haven’t seen a #dinosaurfbchat in a few weeks, have you?
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Mar 8, 2018 0:53:36 GMT -6
wow, it just hit me i havent talked to lochness on here in a long time
He became a HC a year or two ago and his posts have dropped dramatically since.
Doesn’t he coach up in the New England area or am I getting him mixed up with another poster? I wanna see if I can find some double dive clips from him because I don’t think I’ve ever seen it in action. Either way, glad to hear he’s moved on up the ladder. I wish him the best
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Mar 7, 2018 8:55:30 GMT -6
I’d like to know what happened to Lochness and tog as well
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Jan 21, 2018 18:15:52 GMT -6
Speaking from MO programs, I’d love to visit Lamar. Those guys get after it. They win the 2A state title every year with mostly normal-looking farm kids. Just slayed a couple of goliaths in their last two state championship games. Both STL private schools with multiple D1 dudes. But his kids play harder than anyone else on their schedule and the community buys into everything the coach does.
I believe Coach Bailey has an account on here if you’d like to speak to him
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Jan 14, 2018 13:47:07 GMT -6
Apologies if this has already been brought up, but I find "signing ceremonies" for some kid who is going to play D3 ball particularly annoying. We have a couple schools around here that make a big deal about it. I always wonder, what exactly are the kids signing? Just saw on Twitter the other day...some kid tweeted that he was "blessed to receive me 2nd offer from (small private D3 school that is going to charge $30,000/yr to play football) College. or the high production "reveal" videos some of the Div 1 kids do Agreed! It screams “ego” to me
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Jan 9, 2018 8:33:37 GMT -6
We did this for homecoming this season and it was awesome.
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Sept 12, 2017 18:34:33 GMT -6
Rookie initiations used to be part of being part of a TEAM as well. Would you have benched a kid who chose not to participate in an initiation? You can't compare "hazing" (i.e. potential assault) to kids using the team, school and community as a soap box for their personal beliefs. Their actions are a distraction from the team and from the program that is unnecessary. They can do what every other "civilized" person does now; get on social media and b-tch. Exactly. If one of our kids (we're a conservative town and a capitol city) knelt for the anthem, the town would melt. We'd be getting emails saying how "I'll never watch this team again!" or "Boycott the Crusaders!" because we all know how the far right old people love to overreact and boycott things. Our enrollment would shrink and nobody would raise money for our school for a few years. Meanwhile, the player will see how he's getting so much attention and will keep doing it as more and more people join his side (craving the attention and rebellious attitude). Think that sounds nuts? It's not. I watched it happen 10 minutes from my house at Mizzou. It was actually a small little protest that would happen at any other campus in America and be forgotten about after three days, but the media circus (Mizzou's J-School) spread it like wildfire (for clicks and ratings) and there we have it.
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Sept 12, 2017 18:20:27 GMT -6
I find it interesting that I almost never see the inner city kids, who have every reason to feel oppressed, take a knee during the anthem. We played an all-African American team from a very rough part of KC. Their coach said 1/2 of their team was sick from the pregame meal because it was the first true meal they'd had in months. But when the anthem was played, every single person on their team and their families in the stands stood. They were all in unison, straddling the sideline and everything.
In my limited experience with this, the people that kneel for the anthem are the furthest from oppression. When we played a team from an affluent suburb in STL, they knelt for the anthem. I guess they feel like they need attention because they believe they have more of a platform?
I 100% support the movement to improve racial tension in this country. But I am sick and tired of seeing everybody bash this country. People strive to be as irrational as possible because it'll gain them the attention they crave and that's what's wrong with 2017.
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Aug 29, 2017 9:45:04 GMT -6
I have to add another to this list:
I'm trying to get my DL to start watching their KEY for movement and not the ball. We've struggled with our hands to target and being able to react to the block in front of us. So now every time it's a 3rd down, everyone on our sideline, including a few coaches are constantly yelling out "watch the ball", even though I'm trying to get our guys to stop doing that. I'm going to bring it up to some of the coaches sometime (to be fair, they don't coach DL), but it's still annoying to be contradicted every time it's 3rd down.
So basically "watch the ball" is now right up there with the infamous "hit somebody", "wrap up", and "hold on to the ball" phrases I never want to hear on our sidelines
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Aug 1, 2017 5:49:38 GMT -6
I get really frustrated that our game is under so much attack. And the worst part is that I feel like it's under attack by people who have zero interest in actually improving the game. They feed off of this paranoia for ratings and clicks.
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Jul 27, 2017 7:55:22 GMT -6
I'm not a fan of them. The only reason I even care remotely about them is because since I am an OL/DL coach, I can log onto Hudl and catch up with how well our skill guys are playing. And that's not really even to see how good they're playing, but more so as to where they're at from an athletic standpoint.
I LOVE summer joint practice/scrimmages. We had two last week, both against SBV teams in order to prep for our Week 1 opponent (also the one team preventing us from winning districts). They were physical, efficient, and gave us much more valuable evaluation film. I don't care if my Mike LB can defend a slant from #2. I care if he can smack the QB on Midline.
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Jul 25, 2017 19:26:22 GMT -6
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Jul 23, 2017 8:38:20 GMT -6
I've just started watching the show. Here's my thoughts (As of S1 Episode 5):
Buddy sounds more like an angry fan yelling at his TV than an actual coach. He's a prime example of how douchey coaches look when they constantly give results-oriented coaching ("wrap up", "catch the ball", etc) and not detail-oriented coaching that tells the players what they can improve on. Not to mention the dude is simply negative about everything and has a fragile ego and temper. He's literally a real-life Bud Kilmer.
John Franklin has a terrible attitude. I would never want to recruit that kid. He's a bad kid who's stuck in his ways and feels entitled to everything. I can't stand him. And clearly, the talent doesn't exactly outweigh the character. Auburn definitely made a mistake with this kid.
Ms. Wagner is a good woman with her heart in the right place. I wish she wouldn't coddle them through school as much as she does, but at least you can genuinely see she cares about these kids and not just their win/loss record.
The mentality of a lot of these kids disgusts me. The fact that they don't care about the team at all. And I get that its not like these kids grew up working their arses off to get to East MS Community College. But have your teammates backs. Act like you care about the fans who don't have anything positive in their community except the local football team. Be a team player.
When you put a lot of stress onto being flashy, this is what happens to your team. You may win on talent alone, but the seasons are fricking miserable. It's all about egos, entitlement, and selfishness for these guys.
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Jul 19, 2017 20:41:30 GMT -6
We post depth charts. We have 1v1, up-front and honest meetings with all of the players to tell them where they are on the depth chart and what they can do to improve
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Jun 29, 2017 21:36:57 GMT -6
I was talking with a friend, and he reminded me of this glorious story. We had a really jittery/wirey kid, and he always seemed to cramp up regardless of how much he actually did. He always insisted that mustard was better for him than anything else. And, it seemingly did work better. He hated pickle juice, thought sports drinks were too sweet. He just wanted good ol yellow mustard. One game, his junior year, it was just stupidly hot. Kickoff was delayed for heat. It was miserable. Mid 2nd, he starts cramping up, as usual. He kept his own bottle just for those occasions. Because why not? So, he gets some water and starts pounding back the mustard. Apparently, it didn't sit well on his stomach at 100°+ weather that felt like a swamp. He had gotten a decent bit down, and then it all came back up. Dude had bright yellow projectile vomit on the sidelines. You could actually see it happen on film, mid-play. About 10ft away was the always high strung DC, who loved to yell and swear. He turns around, looks at the kid and loudly asked "did you just f--king puke mustard during the G.D. game? Jesus Christ son, you got some f--king distance too. You good to go back in next series?" It smelled awful. Had a manager go get some sand and just cover it up. Kid was good the rest of the game. I had a similar situation my freshman year when a kid puked on me when coming out of his stance. Then two plays later my buddy picked a ball off that bounced off of his pinky toe and directly into his helmet! So many odd things happened in that game, I think it deserves a thread of its own 😂
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Jun 28, 2017 10:03:37 GMT -6
As others have stated, yelling is coaching loudly. It may be loud to emphasize something (we don't do that here, etc), grab attention, or simply to resemble an authority figure. Most soft-spoken coaches IME have a tougher time building respect from kids than louder, more confident speakers.
I am pretty loud on the field, but I'm loud with buzzwords. One of my top pet peeves in coaching is hearing someone screaming "BLOCK SOMEBODY!!" or "WRAP UP!!" in situations they hardly apply in. That's not coaching, that's being an ignorant dick with no empathy or knowledge of actually what went wrong. That's "screaming" in my book.
Another way I define "screaming" is someone who just looks to flat out embarrass the kid. I was at a 7v7 a few years ago, and heard a coach screaming at one of his receivers that he "looked like he had cerebral palsy" when he tried to catch the ball. That's mocking a player in public, which is indefensible and unacceptable.
Being a young coach, I deal with disrespect from players all the time. I've got a smaller age differential with them than the other coaches, so they expect me to let them talk to me like a peer instead of an authority. Especially when they know I'm not the most powerful guy on the staff, they think they can get away with anything. Hell, I STILL have to tell kids to stop addressing me by my first name when I'm coaching them. But, I never SCREAM at them. Because I'm new to the school I'm at now, I can't scream at a kid I don't have a built relationship with. That will either cause them to tune me out (the aforementioned "coach ____ just hates me") or make myself look like an idiot (again, I don't have the authority on my staff yet to just stop everything and make everyone run).
The best thing to do when a player is being disrespectful is to talk to them in privacy. I don't care how "soft" that may sound. Nothing good ever happens in the heat of the moment when two guys are getting heated toward one another. So give the kid some time to decompress and release some of the anger, and he might just tell you why that happened. Remember, we're dealing with 17 year old kids. They don't handle some stuff well. Whether it's girls, grades, or something else, oftentimes outside influences can make a difference in how a kid acts on the field. But in the heat of the moment, we will either run the entire offense/defense (one man's selfishness effects the entire team) or simply tell the kid to go cool off by himself if he's REALLY being an issue (park it and move on).
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Jun 23, 2017 14:12:00 GMT -6
Coached a kid who would cut out half his mouth piece and put grizzly wintergreen on that side. This is the kind of stuff that only happens in rural Missouri
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Jun 21, 2017 15:40:41 GMT -6
Scrimmages > 7v7
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Post by The Lunch Pail on May 21, 2017 14:44:00 GMT -6
I like the idea of spring football, but I don't like that it takes time away from other sports and sometimes discourages kids from playing spring sports. If it's October and you're prepping for your first playoff game, wouldn't you get a little annoyed that a few your best 11 are constantly worn out from practicing another sport at 6:30 am?
I'm sure someone's going to have exceptions to this, but I'm just spewing my ignorant opinion coming from a state that has never had spring ball. If you can find a way to make this work, I wouldn't mind spring ball. But I just want to make sure that other sports get to have their season and not build any bad blood.
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Post by The Lunch Pail on May 20, 2017 8:46:12 GMT -6
I can't ever sleep before a game. Maybe it's the player that's still deep inside of me, but once I finish my pregame meal and I start to see the other team's bus pull in, I'm in the zone. My playlist on my phone goes straight from George Jones to ACDC. I start to get butterflies. I don't want to be anywhere else but the field. And I can never understand for the life of me how anybody can possibly sleep on a school bus. I hope charter buses are better now that I'm at a Catholic school. Where are you at now coach? I'm at Helias Catholic in Jeff City
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Post by The Lunch Pail on May 19, 2017 18:52:41 GMT -6
the down time after pregame meal till it's time to get dressed....sitting here now waiting for spring scrimmage... Alternative = show them the film on "THE NFL'S GREATEST HITS", etc. That is the most aceback77 thing I've ever read
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Post by The Lunch Pail on May 19, 2017 18:50:46 GMT -6
I can't ever sleep before a game. Maybe it's the player that's still deep inside of me, but once I finish my pregame meal and I start to see the other team's bus pull in, I'm in the zone. My playlist on my phone goes straight from George Jones to ACDC. I start to get butterflies. I don't want to be anywhere else but the field.
And I can never understand for the life of me how anybody can possibly sleep on a school bus. I hope charter buses are better now that I'm at a Catholic school.
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Post by The Lunch Pail on May 14, 2017 6:32:07 GMT -6
I don't know if ADHD is "iffy". I understand it gets a bad rep, but I have it myself and I can assure you that it sucks for people who actually do have it. When I was in grade school (before ADHD was really known), I would go through folders every 3 months because I used to pick at the plastic covers of them without even realizing it.
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Apr 11, 2017 7:18:23 GMT -6
It's the greatest game ever assembled (just ask the kids). It's a mix of basketball and soccer. It gets really physical and competitive I like the sounds of it...details, please. TEAMS AND EQUIPMENT: 1. Team Size: 7-10 players 2. Soccer goal- black mats on gym walls 3. Basketball hoops 4. Volleyball RULES: 1. Each team occupies one side facing the goal they want to score in 2. Game starts with a kickoff backwards to teammates 3. The ball is dribbled and passed down the court using the wall as a way to pass as well 4. When playing soccer you must try and score in the black area on the wall from outside the line on court 5. You can have a goalie who is limited to the three point arch as their goal box 6. If the ball hits the ground, Soccer must be played 7. You can not kick the ball up to yourself and catch it to start basketball- you can kick it up to another teammate who can either catch it or trap it and continue with soccer. 8. If a player catches a kicked ball in air, basketball will commence. 9. Once playing Basketball, you can put the ball down at anytime and resume soccer. 10. A ball on the ground must be played as soccer To change from Soccer to Basketball- The ball is kicked in the air and is caught, basketball now begins! 1. You are only allowed 2 steps like in basketball- if player takes more than 2 -3 steps, turnover occurs at sideline. 2. YOU CAN NOT DRIBBLE the ball, only pass using hands to move ball towards basket. OH, chest passes only. 3. To score you must make a basket in the basketball hoop, always one point. 4. If fouled on the shot, a free throw is given, 1 shot only. 5. If shot is missed, live play resumes. If shot is made, ball goes to goalie and they throw it in. (can not go past half ct) GOALIE: 1. If the goalie receives the ball for any reason they may pick the ball up and travel anywhere within the three point arch with no limit on steps 2. The goalie can not throw or kick the ball in the air past half court. Doing so, results in an automatic turnover, with the opposing goalie getting possession of the ball. SCORING GOALS or BASKETS: 1. Each goal or basket is only worth 1 point. 2. After each point, in soccer the ball is returned to the center and possession is given to other team, and a backwards kickoff restarts the play. 3. After each point in basket, the ball is given to goalie where he or she can toss or kick it into play as long as it does not go past half court. PENALTIES/OUT OF BOUNDS: 1. Ball can not be kicked at stage 2. Black sideline closest to stage is out of bounds. 3. Ball can not be kicked high enough to touch ceiling 4. Rough playing, unsportsmanlike conduct, whining not tolerated 5. If any of these or anything teacher finds offensive and inappropriate a 1 minute penalty will be given for that player and no sub will be allowed in! Time Periods: We will play four 15 minute quarters While playing soccer or basketball, the ball can only be scored in the correlating goal for that sport. **At any time the player who caught the ball can drop it to the floor and resume soccer. **AT NO TIME CAN YOU KICK THE BALL UP TO YOURSELF. **AT ANY POINT THE BALL HITS THE GROUND, SOCCER WILL BEGIN
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Apr 11, 2017 6:30:36 GMT -6
We also do "team socials" throughout the offseason. These are little 2 hour get-togethers every coach is responsible for. We do these roughly once or twice a month. These can include going to the theaters, dodgeball/boccer tourneys What's boccer? It's the greatest game ever assembled (just ask the kids). It's a mix of basketball and soccer. It gets really physical and competitive
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Apr 11, 2017 6:27:41 GMT -6
I find most of the time kids that could play in college (any sport) don't want to bc of burnout and their desire really isn't what mom and dad think it is. Kids are not committed like they were back in the 80's,90's and maybe the early 2000's. Kids don't really want to work hard anymore. Now you do have the exceptions i know. Jmo I strongly disagree. Kids want to work just as hard now as they did 20 years ago. Burnout is caused mainly by specialization and unwanted pressure from outside sources (i.e. parents) to perform to a high standard.
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Apr 10, 2017 19:27:45 GMT -6
We do a ton to emphasize family. It all starts in the weight room for us, like everything else in football. Our workouts are physically demanding and start at 6:00 in the morning. If the team slacks, we will start the workout all over again. This type of adversity lets them sweat together. No matter if you're rich/poor, black/white, or freshman/senior, everybody can relate to the feeling of adversity. It's a team effort for them to show up before sunrise and look adversity in the eye without flinching.
We also do "team socials" throughout the offseason. These are little 2 hour get-togethers every coach is responsible for. We do these roughly once or twice a month. These can include going to the theaters, dodgeball/boccer tourneys, or our floating trip we're taking in June.
We also host positional dinners once or twice a month at a coach's house. It's a nice way for the players to socialize and get to know the coaches outside of football.
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Apr 6, 2017 11:48:18 GMT -6
Example: we had a kid a few years ago who played left tackle for us. 6'6 275 lbs. of athletic superiority. He turned down an offer from Northwest Missouri State (Division II POWERHOUSE!) to play at a perennial punchline FCS school. This was a classic "D1 Bound" kid who showed up three times all year to the weight room and was in awful shape all season. He's a good kid who never got it. Another kid from that same class would have been a stud LB at the NAIA level (lots of local NAIA schools in Mid MO) but decided to go to possibly one of the worst teams in Division II football. A kids decision is his decision, but I feel like sometimes they need to realize how good you need to be to play at ____ level. Were those two kids given scholarships to attend the FCS school and DII school? To be honest, I'm not sure. I just came to the school where this happened, and the coaches were talking to me about it. I know that the tackle walked on to the FCS school with a scholarship to NW Missouri State, but I'm not sure about the other kid.
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Apr 5, 2017 12:36:03 GMT -6
Alright. Maybe the 40 stuff is a little out-there, but the Coach Keys and the lifting stuff is what I'm mainly focused on. If it's a little higher than most, so be it. This is mainly just a reality check for all of the guys who care more about the LEVEL of their play and not WHO they're playing for.
Example: we had a kid a few years ago who played left tackle for us. 6'6 275 lbs. of athletic superiority. He turned down an offer from Northwest Missouri State (Division II POWERHOUSE!) to play at a perennial punchline FCS school. This was a classic "D1 Bound" kid who showed up three times all year to the weight room and was in awful shape all season. He's a good kid who never got it. Another kid from that same class would have been a stud LB at the NAIA level (lots of local NAIA schools in Mid MO) but decided to go to possibly one of the worst teams in Division II football. A kids decision is his decision, but I feel like sometimes they need to realize how good you need to be to play at ____ level.
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