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Post by knightfan64 on Jun 20, 2017 21:19:31 GMT -6
Okay so kinda informal. Last year early on in 7 on 7 I was a 4-3 primarily cover 2 and cover 4 team, but quickly figured out we were better going 4-2-5 and man in 7 on 7....go figure we did well and won. Come season time we struggled in zone and when we ran man we got knifed in the run game, so this year new mindset 4-4 (4-2-5) cover 3 being our base...well first night of 7 on 7 and had a very young group, we got a lot better at cover 3 tonight, but didn't do so hot overall (actually defensively did really well, but not as many takeaways, etc. lot of "less exciting" short pass to flats defense swarms and gets there type stuff).....I mean am I crazy for feeling better with what I saw tonight in learning our base system over putting us in something that is probably more competitive for the 7 on 7 season?
I was wondering what you guys feel, for us, I may see a team that throws over 40% of time maybe once.....maybe all year. Better to practice what you're going do and get better or better to make your guys more competitive in the modified version of football we call 7 on 7
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Post by fantom on Jun 20, 2017 21:43:15 GMT -6
The idea is to get better for the season, when games really count. 7 on 7's are glorified practices.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 20, 2017 22:15:15 GMT -6
Okay so kinda informal. Last year early on in 7 on 7 I was a 4-3 primarily cover 2 and cover 4 team, but quickly figured out we were better going 4-2-5 and man in 7 on 7....go figure we did well and won. Come season time we struggled in zone and when we ran man we got knifed in the run game, so this year new mindset 4-4 (4-2-5) cover 3 being our base...well first night of 7 on 7 and had a very young group, we got a lot better at cover 3 tonight, but didn't do so hot overall (actually defensively did really well, but not as many takeaways, etc. lot of "less exciting" short pass to flats defense swarms and gets there type stuff).....I mean am I crazy for feeling better with what I saw tonight in learning our base system over putting us in something that is probably more competitive for the 7 on 7 season? I was wondering what you guys feel, for us, I may see a team that throws over 40% of time maybe once.....maybe all year. Better to practice what you're going do and get better or better to make your guys more competitive in the modified version of football we call 7 on 7 Better to find like minded staffs and run pass skel practices over the summer which can be scripted by down and distance and improve on things you will do in the fall. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 20, 2017 22:26:53 GMT -6
Win loss record in 7on7 is absolutely worthless. 2 best seasons in 7on7 I ever had we ended up 3-6. Went 11-1 one season and was barely over 500 in 7on7. Far better to get ready for the season.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jun 21, 2017 4:45:24 GMT -6
I talk to the kids all the time about the difference between 7 on 7 and real football. We do see a lot of passing teams, so it helps to rep our 2 read. It gives me a chance to play around with different coverages or tweaks, but if you look at the call sheet at the end of the day you see
2 Read
2 Read
2 Read
2 Read
C 1
2 Read
2 Read
2 Read
2 Read
I look at more of the competitive aspect and how kids respond. It's all we can do practice wise so it's the only opportunity to look at and rep younger and up coming players.
We had one the other day and reviewing film with kids yesterday I pointed out
- our completion percentage was even lower than the previous one, that had been a point of emphasis for the week -creating incompletions
- the defense did not seem comfortable in man coverage, they played off too much; when I gave them the option they choose to play zone
- we were sluggish coming out of the gate, while we definitely finished much stronger than other teams; however we want to come out swinging
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Post by mrjvi on Jun 21, 2017 5:39:30 GMT -6
The school I'm taking over now was a top if not the top 7 on 7 during that summer. Small school and even against big schools. Couldn't win this fall. Coaches fired (other reasons) part way through season. One of my former staff members took head temporarily. Started putting in some DW. Won last game but hard to fight the spread mentality. Had a camp a couple weeks ago and full DW (4 plays actually-takes time) and did well. Decent buy in from the players. 7 on 7 they said was fun but they would rather win. Defense can get some benefit from it, though.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jun 21, 2017 7:52:05 GMT -6
If you're not going to see much passing at all during the year then this can be a workshop opportunity to see what you can install and what works.
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Post by dplubo on Jun 21, 2017 8:10:21 GMT -6
7 on 7's are practices, run cover 3 (if that is what you are going to do) and coach em up.
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Post by funkfriss on Jun 21, 2017 8:28:06 GMT -6
I'll echo. 7 on 7 is practice time to get better. This past weekend our offense and defense were able to go against three very different looks in the same night. Offense saw 2-Read, 4-4 Cov 3, and Cov 0. Defense saw 21/11 personnel, Empty, and Spread.
THAT is why we do 7 on 7. It gives kids the opportunity to compete and have fun, but at the end of the day, we are installing our pass game and coverages vs. multiple looks so that when we see these in-season we've already at least gone through the basics.
I personally recommend that you rotate players often during the 7 on 7 sessions. We rotate receivers every play on offense and defenders every 3 plays. That reiterates to the players that our primary goal is not winning, but learning.
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Post by jg78 on Jun 21, 2017 11:34:22 GMT -6
I'm a DC and hate 7 on 7 with other schools, especially in tournaments. The temptation to focus on and do things you wouldn't do in a normal game is strong. We're all competitive and no one wants to go out and get torched and embarrassed and watch offense-oriented passing teams (which we are not) who take 7 on 7 seriously and adapt their style to the rules jump around celebrating touchdowns like it's the Super Bowl. (And afterwards giving the team the ole "Don't worry about it, this ain't real football and it'll be different when we put pads on" speech) We also are a 3-4 team and really need eight guys to run our scheme as we would do it in a game. We also like to blitz in passing situations and obviously that's not allowed. So to play 7 on 7 requires us to make changes I don't like to make.
Now, I do like 7 on 7 against ourselves. It allows us to tweak the rules so that we get more out of it. More like a conventional pass skeleton. I also don't mind playing against another team if - if - I know the opposing coach well and we are on the same page with what we're trying to accomplish. But a tournament with teams that take 7 on 7 as seriously as the actual season and it's 95 degrees with no shade on some college campus hours from home? Screw that.
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Post by wingtol on Jun 21, 2017 13:36:05 GMT -6
Okay so kinda informal. Last year early on in 7 on 7 I was a 4-3 primarily cover 2 and cover 4 team, but quickly figured out we were better going 4-2-5 and man in 7 on 7....go figure we did well and won. Come season time we struggled in zone and when we ran man we got knifed in the run game, so this year new mindset 4-4 (4-2-5) cover 3 being our base...well first night of 7 on 7 and had a very young group, we got a lot better at cover 3 tonight, but didn't do so hot overall (actually defensively did really well, but not as many takeaways, etc. lot of "less exciting" short pass to flats defense swarms and gets there type stuff).....I mean am I crazy for feeling better with what I saw tonight in learning our base system over putting us in something that is probably more competitive for the 7 on 7 season? I was wondering what you guys feel, for us, I may see a team that throws over 40% of time maybe once.....maybe all year. Better to practice what you're going do and get better or better to make your guys more competitive in the modified version of football we call 7 on 7 Never heard of a coach getting fired for how his team did in 7 on 7's. So take that for what it's worth... |
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Post by poundtherock1 on Jun 21, 2017 13:55:44 GMT -6
Not a fan of 7on7. The only good work you get is when you're on the same page with the other coach and you treat it as practice. I'm looking for fast decisions, and competition.
Side note, I hate how these things make coaches act. It very could just be where we are, but some of these coaches treat these things like life or death. Getting loud at kids, putting in freaking seams from the backfield on smash. I just don't understand doing that stuff. But maybe that's just me.
Played a team at one where their coaches were getting fired up over completions where the receivers basically broke off their routes after 4 seconds of backyard play. QB was still in the pocket. If that happens on a Friday night then our staff should be fired
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Post by aceback76 on Jun 21, 2017 14:18:26 GMT -6
Okay so kinda informal. Last year early on in 7 on 7 I was a 4-3 primarily cover 2 and cover 4 team, but quickly figured out we were better going 4-2-5 and man in 7 on 7....go figure we did well and won. Come season time we struggled in zone and when we ran man we got knifed in the run game, so this year new mindset 4-4 (4-2-5) cover 3 being our base...well first night of 7 on 7 and had a very young group, we got a lot better at cover 3 tonight, but didn't do so hot overall (actually defensively did really well, but not as many takeaways, etc. lot of "less exciting" short pass to flats defense swarms and gets there type stuff).....I mean am I crazy for feeling better with what I saw tonight in learning our base system over putting us in something that is probably more competitive for the 7 on 7 season? I was wondering what you guys feel, for us, I may see a team that throws over 40% of time maybe once.....maybe all year. Better to practice what you're going do and get better or better to make your guys more competitive in the modified version of football we call 7 on 7 Use what you will do in regular season GAMES in "7 on 7"! For example: This is OUR "7 on 7" CALL SHEET (vs. the 6 coverages WE face), but it won't really mean anything to the readers because everybody's NUMBER SYSTEM is different (& it is too much to explain here). It WILL give an idea of our approach: ATTACKING COVERAGES (ALL EXAMPLES FROM “DOUBLE”): X---------------O-O-C-O-O-Y -----------H---------Q----------------------Z ----------------------R A) COVER 3: -----1. 60-61 -----2. 60 UP – 61 UP -----3. 54-55 -----4. 56-57 -----5. 56 Y/FLAT & UP – 57/H FLAT & UP B) COVER 2: -----1. 60 UP/Y FLAT – 61 UP/H FLAT -----2. 50-51 (“FLOOD”) -----3. 56/Y FLAT & UP – 57/H FLAT & UP -----4. 58-59 -----5. 58/Z BURST – 59/X BURST ----&/or 52/Z Up - 53/X UP? 3) COVERS 0, 1, 2/MAN: -----1. 60 UP/H TAG – 61 UP/H TAG = “RED/WHITE/BLUE” (“FLOOD”) -----2. 60/Z HITCH & GO – 61/X HITCH & GO -----3. 62-63 -----4. 52-53 (&/or X-Y CROSS???) -----5. 58-59 D) COVER 4: ----1. 60-61 ----2. 52/Y CORNER – 53/H CORNER ----3. 52/Y STOP – 53/H STOP ----4. 54-55 ----5. 58-59 (&/or BURST???) NOTE: Use the "LOOK PASS" (AKA: "Smoke") vs. any coverage in which the Corner is "off" & "bailing"!!! |
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Post by carookie on Jun 21, 2017 14:19:11 GMT -6
Side note, I hate how these things make coaches act. It very could just be where we are, but some of these coaches treat these things like life or death. Getting loud at kids, putting in freaking seams from the backfield on smash. I just don't understand doing that stuff. But maybe that's just me. The greatest play ever ran in 7-on-7, the backfield seam route. Long time ago went up against a team that ran your above described play to death in 7-on-7 tournaments- out of 2x2 spread no less. They would destroy it in passing league and had athletes going deep all over the place. Come season they were consistently 2-8 or 3-7 running a wing-T. I agree that you run in passing league what you run in season, it would be asinine not to. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Jun 21, 2017 14:26:25 GMT -6
One thing that has helped is that our offense likes to take shots down the field, but our bread and butter is basic Air Raid stuff. A lot teams sit back and play Quarters versus us, so the OCs have to sit back and take what is given.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jun 21, 2017 14:28:57 GMT -6
Side note, I hate how these things make coaches act. It very could just be where we are, but some of these coaches treat these things like life or death. Getting loud at kids, putting in freaking seams from the backfield on smash. I just don't understand doing that stuff. But maybe that's just me. The greatest play ever ran in 7-on-7, the backfield seam route. Long time ago went up against a team that ran your above described play to death in 7-on-7 tournaments- out of 2x2 spread no less. They would destroy it in passing league and had athletes going deep all over the place. Come season they were consistently 2-8 or 3-7 running a wing-T. I agree that you run in passing league what you run in season, it would be asinine not to. I love rollng to Cloud C3 versus that and having them throw it right to the FS. |
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Jun 21, 2017 15:40:41 GMT -6
Scrimmages > 7v7
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Post by carookie on Jun 21, 2017 17:48:11 GMT -6
The greatest play ever ran in 7-on-7, the backfield seam route. Long time ago went up against a team that ran your above described play to death in 7-on-7 tournaments- out of 2x2 spread no less. They would destroy it in passing league and had athletes going deep all over the place. Come season they were consistently 2-8 or 3-7 running a wing-T. I agree that you run in passing league what you run in season, it would be asinine not to. I love rollng to Cloud C3 versus that and having them throw it right to the FS. I love running an odd front, and having my blitzing linebacker "chip" him before he can pull that BS |
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