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Post by The Lunch Pail on Apr 5, 2017 9:13:40 GMT -6
www.gobigrecruiting.com/recruiting101/football/positional_guidelines/quarterbackWe're hanging this up in our weight room to remind our players that you don't just wake up one day and realize you're a Division I athlete! If you're a great teammate, great student, and attend all of the weight room sessions you will go as far as your talent will take you! I recommend having any player read this who suffers from "D1 Bound" syndrome.
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 5, 2017 9:17:51 GMT -6
That's an 80 yard throw.
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Post by fantom on Apr 5, 2017 9:48:43 GMT -6
How many NFL starters meet those criteria?
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Post by aceback76 on Apr 5, 2017 10:00:26 GMT -6
www.gobigrecruiting.com/recruiting101/football/positional_guidelines/quarterbackWe're hanging this up in our weight room to remind our players that you don't just wake up one day and realize you're a Division I athlete! If you're a great teammate, great student, and attend all of the weight room sessions you will go as far as your talent will take you! I recommend having any player read this who suffers from "D1 Bound" syndrome. We get this ALL the time! We tell the athlete: "The college will KNOW if you can play (by film, etc.), they will KNOW your grades (by visiting your Guidance Counselor), but what they will ask US is about your Attitude & "Work Ethic" (do you miss practice, workouts in the weight room, etc?)". SO - If you really want to be "D-1", show us a great Attitude, "Work Ethic", so WE can recommend you without any reservation.
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Post by silkyice on Apr 5, 2017 10:17:59 GMT -6
How many NFL starters meet those criteria? Tom Brady isn't d1 by those standards.
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Post by carookie on Apr 5, 2017 10:35:16 GMT -6
I coached for a guy who had a paper with similar stats in it that he showed to the parents. I think that does more good than anything. Most kids know where their talent level fits into things just by being on the field (even those D1 talkers deep down realize what they really are).
But its mom and dad, who are looking at it through parent tinted lenses, that have a hard time accepting that the number one criteria to getting that D1 scholarship is genetics.
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Post by fantom on Apr 5, 2017 10:39:40 GMT -6
I coached for a guy who had a paper with similar stats in it that he showed to the parents. I think that does more good than anything. Most kids know where their talent level fits into things just by being on the field (even those D1 talkers deep down realize what they really are). But its mom and dad, who are looking at it through parent tinted lenses, that have a hard time accepting that the number one criteria to getting that D1 scholarship is genetics. As a parent, I can tell you that the way that we looked at it was we only needed to fool one.
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Post by wingtol on Apr 5, 2017 11:28:52 GMT -6
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Post by spos21ram on Apr 5, 2017 11:38:20 GMT -6
.......
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Post by pitt1980 on Apr 5, 2017 12:01:32 GMT -6
I coached for a guy who had a paper with similar stats in it that he showed to the parents. I think that does more good than anything. Most kids know where their talent level fits into things just by being on the field (even those D1 talkers deep down realize what they really are). But its mom and dad, who are looking at it through parent tinted lenses, that have a hard time accepting that the number one criteria to getting that D1 scholarship is genetics. As a parent, I can tell you that the way that we looked at it was we only needed to fool one. And then what?
You might as well walk it through to the next step
players have good experiences when they're a useful part of the whole
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a player who 'fools' his way onto a DI will likely quickly become an afterthought there
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Post by fantom on Apr 5, 2017 12:04:47 GMT -6
As a parent, I can tell you that the way that we looked at it was we only needed to fool one. And then what?
You might as well walk it through to the next step
players have good experiences when they're a useful part of the whole
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a player who 'fools' his way onto a DI will likely quickly become an afterthought there
It was said jokingly. He and I both knew that he wasn't a D.1 player. To answer your question, though, as long as he gets his college paid for, the fact that he's not really a D.1 player is their problem not mine.
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Post by pitt1980 on Apr 5, 2017 12:11:46 GMT -6
And then what?
You might as well walk it through to the next step
players have good experiences when they're a useful part of the whole
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a player who 'fools' his way onto a DI will likely quickly become an afterthought there
It was said jokingly. He and I both knew that he wasn't a D.1 player. To answer your question, though, as long as he gets his college paid for, the fact that he's not really a D.1 player is their problem not mine. fair enough
moneywise, most kids would be better off working on their grades and test scores
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Apr 5, 2017 12:36:03 GMT -6
Alright. Maybe the 40 stuff is a little out-there, but the Coach Keys and the lifting stuff is what I'm mainly focused on. If it's a little higher than most, so be it. This is mainly just a reality check for all of the guys who care more about the LEVEL of their play and not WHO they're playing for.
Example: we had a kid a few years ago who played left tackle for us. 6'6 275 lbs. of athletic superiority. He turned down an offer from Northwest Missouri State (Division II POWERHOUSE!) to play at a perennial punchline FCS school. This was a classic "D1 Bound" kid who showed up three times all year to the weight room and was in awful shape all season. He's a good kid who never got it. Another kid from that same class would have been a stud LB at the NAIA level (lots of local NAIA schools in Mid MO) but decided to go to possibly one of the worst teams in Division II football. A kids decision is his decision, but I feel like sometimes they need to realize how good you need to be to play at ____ level.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 5, 2017 17:55:30 GMT -6
How many NFL starters meet those criteria? Tom Brady isn't d1 by those standards. He didn't Grind.
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Post by rsmith627 on Apr 6, 2017 5:11:47 GMT -6
Tom Brady isn't d1 by those standards. He didn't Grind. Joking aside he probably did, but we have to remember that Brady is getting a little older and as such is a different kind of athlete from a different era. Most colleges don't want Brady/Manning. They want Watson and Newton types running around and slinging it.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Apr 6, 2017 7:42:11 GMT -6
When I hear D1 bound stories , I'm sometimes glad that I now coach kids who are pretty average, know it, and accept coaching.
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Post by coachcb on Apr 6, 2017 8:09:49 GMT -6
"Coach, I wanna be D1!"
"Well, you'd better plan on playing high school football first."
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Post by John Knight on Apr 6, 2017 8:51:59 GMT -6
Want in one hand and $hiit in the other, see which fills up first!
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 6, 2017 8:55:47 GMT -6
Example: we had a kid a few years ago who played left tackle for us. 6'6 275 lbs. of athletic superiority. He turned down an offer from Northwest Missouri State (Division II POWERHOUSE!) to play at a perennial punchline FCS school. This was a classic "D1 Bound" kid who showed up three times all year to the weight room and was in awful shape all season. He's a good kid who never got it. Another kid from that same class would have been a stud LB at the NAIA level (lots of local NAIA schools in Mid MO) but decided to go to possibly one of the worst teams in Division II football. A kids decision is his decision, but I feel like sometimes they need to realize how good you need to be to play at ____ level. Were those two kids given scholarships to attend the FCS school and DII school?
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Post by fshamrock on Apr 6, 2017 10:05:42 GMT -6
One time I knew a receivers coach who had a sheet like this with goals for his position group.. so the thing said a varsity players should be able to bench like 200, squat like 315 and run the 40 in 4.6
so one of the kids is really fast and ran 4.5, but he ain't really smart, brings his paper up to coach and asks...
"coach what can I do to get my 40 up to 4.6?"
...he was completely serious, dude is playing major college football now
that was the same school where a kid was walking into the training room with a 40lb dumbell....when asked what he was doing, he said "I wanted to see how much more I would weigh holding this dumbell"
we won a lot believe it or not
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Post by silkyice on Apr 6, 2017 10:37:49 GMT -6
One time I knew a receivers coach who had a sheet like this with goals for his position group.. so the thing said a varsity players should be able to bench like 200, squat like 315 and run the 40 in 4.6 so one of the kids is really fast and ran 4.5, but he ain't really smart, brings his paper up to coach and asks... "coach what can I do to get my 40 up to 4.6?" ...he was completely serious, dude is playing major college football now that was the same school where a kid was walking into the training room with a 40lb dumbell....when asked what he was doing, he said "I wanted to see how much more I would weigh holding this dumbell" we won a lot believe it or not I guess that settles the athleticism vs smart debate!
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Post by somecoach on Apr 6, 2017 11:10:27 GMT -6
My father came up with a good line for this back in the day. "You can't buy size".
what eliminates 95% of the population is Size alone.
Some of us would be lucky to have a 6'3+ 220lb Right tackle, let alone have that kid at Q
Yes you still have to put in the work, pass classes, earn the playing time, get a good film... but if you don't have the height/weight/build they are looking for you are dead in the water at the D1 level.
Of course there is always D2 and etc for everyone else...
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Post by coachcb on Apr 6, 2017 11:47:37 GMT -6
The kids have no idea what a college level prospect (D3+) looks like unless they have seen a few come through the program. They can play against them but they don't truly understand what it takes to play at that higher level unless they're on the same team and working out with those guys every day. And, many will still struggle to figure it out because their teenage ego (and parents..) gets in the way. We had two FCS level OL on a team one year that destroyed everyone in practice yet we still had kids that were convinced they were D1 athletes. "Yup, Lil Johnny, you're Auburn-bound, just ignored that fact that Big Fred and Mack are putting you on your a-- every down.."
We avoid the topic of playing college football like the plague. It spreads like a disease in the program if you address it much as too many players and parents are under the impression that high school sports are a springboard for college scholarships.
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Apr 6, 2017 11:48:18 GMT -6
Example: we had a kid a few years ago who played left tackle for us. 6'6 275 lbs. of athletic superiority. He turned down an offer from Northwest Missouri State (Division II POWERHOUSE!) to play at a perennial punchline FCS school. This was a classic "D1 Bound" kid who showed up three times all year to the weight room and was in awful shape all season. He's a good kid who never got it. Another kid from that same class would have been a stud LB at the NAIA level (lots of local NAIA schools in Mid MO) but decided to go to possibly one of the worst teams in Division II football. A kids decision is his decision, but I feel like sometimes they need to realize how good you need to be to play at ____ level. Were those two kids given scholarships to attend the FCS school and DII school? To be honest, I'm not sure. I just came to the school where this happened, and the coaches were talking to me about it. I know that the tackle walked on to the FCS school with a scholarship to NW Missouri State, but I'm not sure about the other kid.
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Post by dytmook on Apr 6, 2017 12:05:03 GMT -6
We have a kid who was Offensive POY this year who is like this. Well mom doesn't want us giving his info to non D1 schools. Kid had a great year kind of out of nowhere for us, but is still 5'7" and a 150 soaking wet. He's not Tavon Austin explosive...
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Post by IronmanFootball on Apr 6, 2017 12:22:32 GMT -6
About the only place you can not pass the height/weight/build test anymore is a bad D3. Look at a D2 roster. OL 6'6 250. It's not for the "other" guy anymore.
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Post by dsqa on Apr 6, 2017 12:41:53 GMT -6
Yeah it looks like the throw measurable is reversed unless I'm missing something...and that pretty much sounds like a sportswriter or scout setting those expectations Last year, of 120 BCS schools the average size of all the QBs was 6'3" 210
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 6, 2017 12:51:59 GMT -6
You'd need a release speed of ~75 mph to make that happen.
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Post by newt21 on Apr 6, 2017 14:26:17 GMT -6
You'd need a release speed of ~75 mph to make that happen. Where's Uncle Rico when you need him?
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Post by silkyice on Apr 6, 2017 17:29:02 GMT -6
Yeah it looks like the throw measurable is reversed unless I'm missing something...and that pretty much sounds like a sportswriter or scout setting those expectations Last year, of 120 BCS schools the average size of all the QBs was 6'3" 210 So you are saying the average d1 qb isn't d1? No wonder one of the teams lose every time two teams play a d1 football game nowadays.
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