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Post by 3rdandlong on Mar 16, 2018 23:42:10 GMT -6
I know it’s the craze and you can find a ton of cool videos on twitter but am I the only one who thinks 1 on 1s without pads isn’t worth the risk?
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Post by junior6589 on Mar 17, 2018 8:30:22 GMT -6
I think it’s ridiculous
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Post by coachklee on Mar 17, 2018 9:03:10 GMT -6
We always do fundamentals 1st...
OL: -6 Point Explosions -1st steps -2 Steps -Step & Run -Machine Gun drive blocking -Scoop & Cut-Off -GCG Pod...need coaches to hold bags -Tackle-Slot Pod...again use coaches to hold bags
DL: -6 Point Explosions -Step & Strike from a stance -Squeezing a down block, spilling a kick out (Guard or Back) & running the circle -Defeating a reach block -Pass rush moves & gauntlet
After those we do any of the following without pads (usually in the gym & sometimes on the wrestling mats):
-“Reach-the-reacher” without any pads...we’ll start to do it in 4-Man drill work right after Spring Break.
-Almost live Veer releases to LBs with the defensive players (DE & ILB) holding hand shields.
-Depending on who we get in a 4-Man workout we’ll work some pass pro / pass rush.
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Post by aceback76 on Mar 17, 2018 9:19:07 GMT -6
I know it’s the craze and you can find a ton of cool videos on twitter but am I the only one who thinks 1 on 1s without pads isn’t worth the risk? In OTA Dropback Pass Pro only (they wear only those little rubber pads). Joe Bugel video on youtube SHOWS this. It helps teach the use of the HANDS, & teaches arching the back to keep the head out of the block.
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Post by 50slantstrong on Mar 17, 2018 10:01:38 GMT -6
I kind of actually like it for OL. It’s going to teach them to keep their weight back. For the DL you’re kind of screwed if you want to bull rush but if you want to use a hand knock down move you’re still good to go.
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Post by NC1974 on Mar 17, 2018 10:14:28 GMT -6
Pros -can work on foot work, leverage, hand placement -injects a little competition
Cons -OL at huge disadvantage in my view i.e. DL knows it's drop back, can't really jump set (for a change up)a guy with no pads -At the high school level, one bloody nose can get somebody in hot water.
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Post by Defcord on Mar 17, 2018 11:17:41 GMT -6
Pros -can work on foot work, leverage, hand placement -injects a little competition Cons -OL at huge disadvantage in my view i.e. DL knows it's drop back, can't really jump set (for a change up)a guy with no pads -At the high school level, one bloody nose can get somebody in hot water. Definitely hard to convince offensive linemen that d line has a huge advantage but it’s still good prep and reps. I played at a D3 and we had a nasty all American defensive lineman that talked crazy and beat us up on one on ones. I was a freshman and had grown up with an older brother liked to kick my butt so I learned how to get a shot in here and there. So one day we are doing one on ones and Mr. Nasty is talking all kinds of stuff. Our online coaches calling us all the 20th century terms for vaginas and telling us no one wants to go against this kid. This kids ego is surging and I just say eff it. I step up, he tells me he’s going to kill me. Push him and slap his helmet. He’s truly a big dumb animal and foaming at the mouth. Luckily we are going on sound and not on my movement. The coach yells go, the bull rages and I cut that son of a gun with perfect technique. He goes down!!! He didn’t stay there long, he came up swinging. I held my own . The groups went crazy and when everything settled my o line coach asked what I was thinking. I told him I was tired of taking a knife to a gun fight. It probably wasn’t the smartest thing to do but it kept those d lineman a little more honest for a couple days.
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Post by macdiiddy on Mar 17, 2018 11:22:26 GMT -6
I like it in pass pro. OL works on footwork and their punch. DL works on swatting hands.
I do not like it in run game because the aim points are not realistic. If you are shoulder blocking your surface area is much smaller, you are putting your head low near flying elbows and knees. DL can not get a quality push/pull especially when they are all wearing T shirts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2018 13:25:49 GMT -6
I'm not a fan, really. You can work a little pass pro, but I tell my OL to attack the breastplate in pass pro so taking all the pads out screws up our teaching. I am a fan of working a lot in shells, though. I'd rather use non padded practice to work footwork and other non-contact drills.
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Post by coachklee on Mar 17, 2018 14:36:56 GMT -6
Pros -can work on foot work, leverage, hand placement -injects a little competition Cons -OL at huge disadvantage in my view i.e. DL knows it's drop back, can't really jump set (for a change up)a guy with no pads -At the high school level, one bloody nose can get somebody in hot water. Definitely hard to convince offensive linemen that d line has a huge advantage but it’s still good prep and reps. I played at a D3 and we had a nasty all American defensive lineman that talked crazy and beat us up on one on ones. I was a freshman and had grown up with an older brother liked to kick my butt so I learned how to get a shot in here and there. So one day we are doing one on ones and Mr. Nasty is talking all kinds of stuff. Our online coaches calling us all the 20th century terms for vaginas and telling us no one wants to go against this kid. This kids ego is surging and I just say eff it. I step up, he tells me he’s going to kill me. Push him and slap his helmet. He’s truly a big dumb animal and foaming at the mouth. Luckily we are going on sound and not on my movement. The coach yells go, the bull rages and I cut that son of a gun with perfect technique. He goes down!!! He didn’t stay there long, he came up swinging. I held my own . The groups went crazy and when everything settled my o line coach asked what I was thinking. I told him I was tired of taking a knife to a gun fight. It probably wasn’t the smartest thing to do but it kept those d lineman a little more honest for a couple days. That is awesome!
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Post by 50slantstrong on Mar 17, 2018 17:35:54 GMT -6
I'm not a fan, really. You can work a little pass pro, but I tell my OL to attack the breastplate in pass pro so taking all the pads out screws up our teaching. I am a fan of working a lot in shells, though. I'd rather use non padded practice to work footwork and other non-contact drills. DL are taught to knock down the hands as soon as the OL commits them. If anything, not being pads is going to reinforce that teaching point from a DL coach POV. If you don’t knock his hands down, you’re going to get a “ti*** twister”
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Mar 18, 2018 0:39:23 GMT -6
This might sound crazy, but I’m not really a fan of 1v1 drills in general. Specifically ones where it’s two guys with the whole team watching. It’s not only inefficient (lots of guys standing around) but it’s also not a great indicator of who’s bad and who’s not. I wonder if there’s any other ways to build competition.
Anybody who knows anything about high school kids knows that they have massive insecurities and usually aren’t confident about themselves. It might not always be the best thing to constantly put them in situations with them on the spotlight and expect the light to come on eventually. It’s like having a soft team and thinking doing Oklahoma’s and bull in the ring all day will help. It is one of those things that’ll just make people hate football if you’re not careful.
Maybe it’s because I’m kinda scarred from my OL coach in high school. He’s a better coach today, but he was a young guy who never coached OL before. I didn’t learn a thing about OL that year. Every practice was 1v1s and on Thursdays we walked through plays. I was very frustrated because I was awful at 1v1’s. I just simply choked with all the spotlight on me and it ruined my confidence. I was much better during team, mainly because I knew the plays and how they worked and used proper technique that my previous OL coach taught.
It was infuriating to have to tell every other dummies starting alongside me their job every play. They didn’t start because of technique or knowing plays, they started because “DEM BOYZ GOOD AT DEM ONE ON ONES!” and we had multiple more talented guys having to come in about midway through every second quarter because the board drill champs weren’t cutting it.
But that’s enough about me. I probably sound crazy but that’s how I feel about these things. I maybe wouldn’t mind if it was like EVERYBODY doing these things at the same time about once every other week or so as a fun change up but I’ve never been a fan of board drills/pass rush/etc
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Post by Defcord on Mar 19, 2018 9:46:23 GMT -6
We always do fundamentals 1st... OL: -6 Point Explosions -1st steps -2 Steps -Step & Run -Machine Gun drive blocking -Scoop & Cut-Off -GCG Pod...need coaches to hold bags -Tackle-Slot Pod...again use coaches to hold bags DL: -6 Point Explosions -Step & Strike from a stance -Squeezing a down block, spilling a kick out (Guard or Back) & running the circle -Defeating a reach block -Pass rush moves & gauntlet After those we do any of the following without pads (usually in the gym & sometimes on the wrestling mats): -“Reach-the-reacher” without any pads...we’ll start to do it in 4-Man drill work right after Spring Break. -Almost live Veer releases to LBs with the defensive players (DE & ILB) holding hand shields. -Depending on who we get in a 4-Man workout we’ll work some pass pro / pass rush. When our last practice of the year rolled around, the kid pulled me aside and told me that he will never in his life forget that moment and that even though he was pisssed at the time it was one of the funniest things from his whole football career. If he would have torn his ACL or something I don't know if he would have looked on it quite so fondly.
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Post by coachbdud on Mar 19, 2018 10:12:47 GMT -6
I know it’s the craze and you can find a ton of cool videos on twitter but am I the only one who thinks 1 on 1s without pads isn’t worth the risk? it is stupid and wouldnt exist without these d@mn millennials and their instatwittergrams it is the most one sided drill in sports... it is really easy for a DL to rush the passer with no run threat/responsibility, they can line up in a wide 9000000 technique and they have nothign to grab on to also, they always say "no bull rush" but every clip i see almost always has a bull rush just once, i would love to see an OL show a pass set and CUT, blowing out the defender's knee/hopes/dreams I hate the camps that focus on these 1on1s and not on actual drill work to get better Rant over
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Post by Coach Vint on Mar 22, 2018 1:04:21 GMT -6
We don't do much of 1-on-1's in cloth. When we do 1-on-1's we have every OL take 3 hard kicks. The guy going will work either a jump set, or he will work to gain depth. We use 7-on-7 to be able to work landmarks and maintaining the 1/2 man advantage. We coach hand placement, good knee bend, and the punch. When we do 1-on-1's we also do base run blocks. We do this where we tell the OL and DL that it is run. We do this once through, then we go to pass. We will also work run and pass with the defender not knowing what we are doing.
I am not a fan of the 1-on-1's in the underwear olympics. It is so poorly executed that no one gets much out of it, except the guy running the dude's twitter page.
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Post by rosey65 on Mar 22, 2018 7:28:06 GMT -6
I know it’s the craze and you can find a ton of cool videos on twitter but am I the only one who thinks 1 on 1s without pads isn’t worth the risk? it is stupid and wouldnt exist without these d@mn millennials and their instatwittergrams it is the most one sided drill in sports... it is really easy for a DL to rush the passer with no run threat/responsibility, they can line up in a wide 9000000 technique and they have nothign to grab on to also, they always say "no bull rush" but every clip i see almost always has a bull rush just once, i would love to see an OL show a pass set and CUT, blowing out the defender's knee/hopes/dreams I hate the camps that focus on these 1on1s and not on actual drill work to get better Rant over 1-on-1's in camps is stupid. I hated the drill for years as our DL coach would come over every day in the offseason and demand we do it. We got our butts whipped every day, until I had an epiphany. ****I realized the DL coach never once acknowledged the result of the rep to his kids**** Everything was form, technique, angles...all the little stuff. I was worried about my guys getting beat, the DL coach would rip into his guys if they took a lazy rep and easy win against one of my puffs. It changed my entire outlook on the drill. Now, I dont hide the snap count or who is the one going. I dont make it a competition. I dont get mad when my gets give up a sack. I only jump their chit when they take a lazy set or stupid angle. I TELL my linemen that they have every disadvantage in the drill. I WANT them to know they should be getting beat in the drill. I WANT them to be focused on their set-up, their demeanor, their steps and angles (we also never spend time working on "punch" as a group, its all just footwork) We now spend the majority of the offseason doing unpadded 1-on-1's. We are a Wing-T team, yet our pass pro is some of the best I've ever been around. The attention to detail in their own technique in the middle of a game, and the adjustments they make in their sets, is really quite impressive. Sure, we still get bullrushes. The insecure older kids who suck will pick on a young kid, then get cussed out by BOTH line coaches for being unsafe and lazy.... just another character-building, team-edifying teachable moment!!
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Post by rosey65 on Mar 22, 2018 7:32:46 GMT -6
In fact, once we put full pads on for a month in May (FL problems..) we are going to do 1-on-1's with the OL having their hands behind their backs. DL can ONLY work hands. Dont know how it'll work, especially at first, other than it will be ugly. However, only 1 kid is strong enough to have an effective punch anyways, and most of my kids are too small to muscle thru a bullrush. Our ONLY hope is to maintain proper leverage and positioning to keep some semblance of a pocket.
I'll try and post footage of the drill.
Shoot, and when we do 1-on-1's with no pads in 2 weeks (spring break starts tomorrow) I'll post some of that footage, too
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Post by rosey65 on Mar 22, 2018 7:38:56 GMT -6
This might sound crazy, but I’m not really a fan of 1v1 drills in general. Specifically ones where it’s two guys with the whole team watching. It’s not only inefficient (lots of guys standing around) but it’s also not a great indicator of who’s bad and who’s not. I wonder if there’s any other ways to build competition. Anybody who knows anything about high school kids knows that they have massive insecurities and usually aren’t confident about themselves. It might not always be the best thing to constantly put them in situations with them on the spotlight and expect the light to come on eventually. It’s like having a soft team and thinking doing Oklahoma’s and bull in the ring all day will help. It is one of those things that’ll just make people hate football if you’re not careful. Maybe it’s because I’m kinda scarred from my OL coach in high school. He’s a better coach today, but he was a young guy who never coached OL before. I didn’t learn a thing about OL that year. Every practice was 1v1s and on Thursdays we walked through plays. I was very frustrated because I was awful at 1v1’s. I just simply choked with all the spotlight on me and it ruined my confidence. I was much better during team, mainly because I knew the plays and how they worked and used proper technique that my previous OL coach taught. It was infuriating to have to tell every other dummies starting alongside me their job every play. They didn’t start because of technique or knowing plays, they started because “DEM BOYZ GOOD AT DEM ONE ON ONES!” and we had multiple more talented guys having to come in about midway through every second quarter because the board drill champs weren’t cutting it. But that’s enough about me. I probably sound crazy but that’s how I feel about these things. I maybe wouldn’t mind if it was like EVERYBODY doing these things at the same time about once every other week or so as a fun change up but I’ve never been a fan of board drills/pass rush/etc I was coached via the result of the play for a bulk of my college career. It was terrible. It's why I hated 1-on-1's for the first chunk of my coaching career. My perspective changed, tho (see my above posts) Whether we like it or not, OL are in the spotlight every single play. There just happens to be 5 dim spotlights that all get overshadowed by the BIG spotlight. It's impossible to hide on an island, but that was never taught to me as a player. My kids know from day 1 that they are in the spotlight, yet I show thru my coaching that the result of the play is not important. --If they follow the prescribed technique, they get praised. --If they veer from technique, they get corrected. Most kids have a hard time at first, but the upper classmen I have end up with more confidence as a HS player than I ever had as a senior in college
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Post by coachcb on Mar 22, 2018 10:46:27 GMT -6
We don't do non-padded 1 v 1 drills with the OL and DL because they just aren't an effective use of time. Yes, we can pull them back a little bit but, as has been pointed out, the OL is at a disadvantage. We don't find it particularly useful for pass protection drills either as the it teaches the DL bad habits. They can't engage the OL the same way they would if they were padded up and they end up trying to run around the block, versus using proper shedding techniques.
We would much rather spend that time getting our footwork down, learning various blocks against bags, hand shields etc..etc.. We have found that doing bag drills consistently from Day 1 is one of the best ways to teach both sides of the line to use their hands properly.
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Post by mrjvi on Mar 23, 2018 7:00:54 GMT -6
Most of our blocks are doubles with shoulder blocks or down blocks so 1 on 1 's aren't valuable to us. Some 2 on 1's or more often 3 on 2's help us more....on both sides.
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Post by coachklee on Mar 23, 2018 17:05:24 GMT -6
This might sound crazy, but I’m not really a fan of 1v1 drills in general. Specifically ones where it’s two guys with the whole team watching. It’s not only inefficient (lots of guys standing around) but it’s also not a great indicator of who’s bad and who’s not. I wonder if there’s any other ways to build competition. Anybody who knows anything about high school kids knows that they have massive insecurities and usually aren’t confident about themselves. It might not always be the best thing to constantly put them in situations with them on the spotlight and expect the light to come on eventually. It’s like having a soft team and thinking doing Oklahoma’s and bull in the ring all day will help. It is one of those things that’ll just make people hate football if you’re not careful. Maybe it’s because I’m kinda scarred from my OL coach in high school. He’s a better coach today, but he was a young guy who never coached OL before. I didn’t learn a thing about OL that year. Every practice was 1v1s and on Thursdays we walked through plays. I was very frustrated because I was awful at 1v1’s. I just simply choked with all the spotlight on me and it ruined my confidence. I was much better during team, mainly because I knew the plays and how they worked and used proper technique that my previous OL coach taught. It was infuriating to have to tell every other dummies starting alongside me their job every play. They didn’t start because of technique or knowing plays, they started because “DEM BOYZ GOOD AT DEM ONE ON ONES!” and we had multiple more talented guys having to come in about midway through every second quarter because the board drill champs weren’t cutting it. But that’s enough about me. I probably sound crazy but that’s how I feel about these things. I maybe wouldn’t mind if it was like EVERYBODY doing these things at the same time about once every other week or so as a fun change up but I’ve never been a fan of board drills/pass rush/etc I was coached via the result of the play for a bulk of my college career. It was terrible. It's why I hated 1-on-1's for the first chunk of my coaching career. My perspective changed, tho (see my above posts) Whether we like it or not, OL are in the spotlight every single play. There just happens to be 5 dim spotlights that all get overshadowed by the BIG spotlight. It's impossible to hide on an island, but that was never taught to me as a player. My kids know from day 1 that they are in the spotlight, yet I show thru my coaching that the result of the play is not important. --If they follow the prescribed technique, they get praised. --If they veer from technique, they get corrected. Most kids have a hard time at first, but the upper classmen I have end up with more confidence as a HS player than I ever had as a senior in college Looking forward to it coach! Always find you post good stuff on Huey!
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Post by rosey65 on Apr 5, 2018 6:33:42 GMT -6
I was coached via the result of the play for a bulk of my college career. It was terrible. It's why I hated 1-on-1's for the first chunk of my coaching career. My perspective changed, tho (see my above posts) Whether we like it or not, OL are in the spotlight every single play. There just happens to be 5 dim spotlights that all get overshadowed by the BIG spotlight. It's impossible to hide on an island, but that was never taught to me as a player. My kids know from day 1 that they are in the spotlight, yet I show thru my coaching that the result of the play is not important. --If they follow the prescribed technique, they get praised. --If they veer from technique, they get corrected. Most kids have a hard time at first, but the upper classmen I have end up with more confidence as a HS player than I ever had as a senior in college Looking forward to it coach! Always find you post good stuff on Huey! Here we go! THis was our 1st day of it this spring, it's pretty rough. RT (the big one who goes later), LG, LT are returning starters, C is returning backup, everyone else is new. I didn't film any of the coaching points, but again, the sole focus of the drill is (1) Staying Square, and (2) Staying On Dangerous Number. You can see a pretty big disparity between the newbies and returners....
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