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Post by fshamrock on Jul 7, 2018 15:58:01 GMT -6
Anything that came out of Knoxville,TN the past 5 years. "Champions of Life" "Five Star Hearts" "Leadership Reps" ugh...I never even heard the term "leadership reps" and it killed a little bit of my soul when I read it PJ Fleck I have an irrational hatred for...he seems like the type of dude that would tell everybody's girlfriends/wives what they did at a bachelor party because he is their friend too and feels like it was the right thing to do I frequent the message boards of a few different schools in the SEC (Texas A&M and LSU mostly) just to kill time and get a college fb fix, and you have no idea how hard up some of their fans were to try and get fleck hired "we this kind of passion man!..look at him! he's running around saying big quotes and there's inspiring music and players are all crying and stuff" the kind of people who like fleck are the ones that love it when the staff development speaker does that stupid "oooooh I think we can do better that THAT!...I SAID GOOD MORNING TEACHERS!!"...and the fleck lovers are the ones who whoop and holler and crap pretending to not be pissed that school is about to start and we are in the stupid meetings fleck lovers are people who are on their 3rd or fourth pyramid scheme even though they never made any money still thinking that this is their big chance to be their own boss and drive a dodge stratus if only they bring enough positive attitude and doggone enthusiasm! there is no escape
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Post by fshamrock on Jul 7, 2018 15:43:23 GMT -6
I love this post, I'm getting excited myself, bust of luck to you and your team. I had a wink, wink offer to take an assistant principal gig this spring that I turned down, I figure whenever a summer rolls around and I'm not really looking forward to the season, then I'll look at doing something else.
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Post by fshamrock on Jul 1, 2018 11:20:23 GMT -6
I hear you, I really do but the last line of your post you said "acknowledge ignorance and rise above it". I think it's important that we shed light on some of these things when we can so that people might be put in a position to acknowledge their own ignorance and maybe be more mindful of their own biases. I'm not a big spike lee fan, but I remember reading something from him about how white people love movies like rocky and hoosiers because they follow the same formula, scrappy white people with a great attitude overcome brash loudmouth black people who are physically superior I remember being like holy crap I freaking LOVE rocky and hoosiers...am I racist? I don't think so...but it's probably important that me and others ask ourselves that question from time to time I cheered pretty hard when Rocky beat Drago too! However, I get what you are saying. well of course, drago was a hated russian, maybe that's why we seem to have more racial issues now than when I was a kid, when we had a common enemy to hate we banded together a little better. We need a independence day style alien invasion to bring humanity together
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Post by fshamrock on Jul 1, 2018 11:18:29 GMT -6
my new one that I love to hate is
"how you do anything is how you do everything"
I hate it for many reasons, most importantly that it is just completely absurd. I mean really? everything? so when it's 10:00pm after a long day and dishes need done you go over every surface of each dish with a toothbrush and then map out the perfect dishwasher layout so that each piece gets maximum coverage from the water jets and steam? ...or maybe you are like me and you spray some water on those mofo's and chuck em in there any whichaway that will fit and go on about your life.
the whole quote reminds me of the type of people who obsessively iron their underwear and practice having human conversations in the mirror, those dudes end up with dead bodies buried in the back yard....regular people are lazy sometimes and make mistakes
why can't we just act like regular guys and let players know it's okay to act like regular guys too
my position coach in high school was an old guy that had coached 40 years...we had a saturday practice toward the tail end of two a days in the blazing sun...coach gathers us up and says "look...it's freaking hot and none of us feel like being here doing these same freaking drills over again...but here we are so I'll try to overcome it and coach ya'll and you guys try and get some good reps as we go and after a while we'll be done and we can drag our carcasses home"
not the kind of speech that they put into movies or that make a coach look like an ultimate leader....... but we had a good practice and we all loved that coach for never acting like a douche and giving us a bunch of stupid cliches like "how you do anything is how you do everything"...and as I got older and wanted advice about something he was the guy that I would call
yeah yeah yeah I'm a cynical jerk and I need to read a book by flip flipping flippen or some other self help con man to change my perspective and grab the bullhorns of purpose driven life thank you
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Post by fshamrock on Jul 1, 2018 9:11:17 GMT -6
Rocky IV rocky III Rocky Rocky Balboa Creed Rocky II
Rocky V
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Post by fshamrock on Jul 1, 2018 7:51:14 GMT -6
I used to think like this before I started teaching/working at a Majority/minority school. Now my opinion has changed, because I think one of the biggest issues is that lots of times I don't think the people involved recognize what they are doing (unintentionally). The little things like some of the things mentioned in this thread "the gutty tough performance vs the great athletes" thing for example. As long as you allow words to set you off they will have power over you. I'm white, my wife is Mexican, sons are beige, my daughter is Chinese and we're working on adopting a child from Haiti. We have fostered kids of different races over the past few years. When we're out to dinner we look like the United Nations. The ignorant, racist comments we get are astounding. It used to drive my wife & I nuts. We burned a heck of a lot of calories being mad about it. Once we let it go and got over it we were much happier. Now we laugh at their ignorance or ignore them. And I'm sorry, but if people take offense to unintentional slights like the "gutty tough performance" then they are morons. It's easy to be a victim, it's much tougher to acknowledge ignorance and rise above it. That's my $.02. I hear you, I really do but the last line of your post you said "acknowledge ignorance and rise above it". I think it's important that we shed light on some of these things when we can so that people might be put in a position to acknowledge their own ignorance and maybe be more mindful of their own biases. I'm not a big spike lee fan, but I remember reading something from him about how white people love movies like rocky and hoosiers because they follow the same formula, scrappy white people with a great attitude overcome brash loudmouth black people who are physically superior I remember being like holy crap I freaking LOVE rocky and hoosiers...am I racist? I don't think so...but it's probably important that me and others ask ourselves that question from time to time
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Post by fshamrock on Jun 30, 2018 14:28:04 GMT -6
In my area there are a few tropes around that I feel are race based that get pretty old and I'm looking forward to them fading
some examples - whenever a team is mostly African American, some old coach drops the "boys if we just hit them in the mouth they'll start bitching at each other and shut down"
also, for some reason, in the great state of Texas, if your team is primarily white and you win a lot you get a lot more credit for being a "great coach" than if your team was mostly black and had those "athletes"
the most recent state championships featured an extremely wealthy mostly white school against a mostly black school, white school (for lack of a better term in this example) won it at the last second in a fantastic game
I can't tell you how many white twitter warrior coaches went on the twitter praising the white school for showing so much "grit and determination" and how "brotherhood and culture" can overcome anything, even "all those great athletes" the other school had on their team
now i don't think these guys mean to be racist, they are just expressing their thoughts, but from where I'm sitting the team with all those white kids looked pretty freaking athletic to me, they were freaking huge....and it seems insulting to call them not athletic because they are white, and it seems really insulting to insinuate that the black kids team didn't have a strong "culture" or "brotherhood" or what the hell ever based on no information at all other than the fact that they are mostly black.
for all anybody knows, the team with the black kids have 3 brotherhood dinners a week, 17 Acronyms for the program, and they finish every practice with trust falls and cry circles, and the white team all hate each other, everybody immediately just assumes the other way....like I said, it gets old
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Post by fshamrock on May 25, 2018 11:58:32 GMT -6
water balloon fight is always a hit
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Post by fshamrock on May 23, 2018 8:54:55 GMT -6
I'm telling you..the best racket to get into is providing "training" for schools so that they can cover their behinds from litigation.....you can charge whatever and provide nothing...how I'm missing out on this I don't know
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Post by fshamrock on May 22, 2018 11:52:18 GMT -6
dumbest thing I said was "ya'll get out of there"
basketball tournament out of town (thank goodness) we had a head basketball who likes to pull our players out whenever we were shooting free throws, his rationale was that we weren't likely to get the rebound on a miss anyway and we didn't want to get beat on a fast break after a miss........so I'm the JV dude and I don't know much but I want to look cool so I do it to...only at this particular tournament it was the other team that was shooting free throws, my dumb ass says "ya'll get out of there" and removed my own rebounders, the kid from the other school looked at me like I was an idiot then blasted the ball off the backboard, got his own rebound, walked up and laid the ball in.......tough one
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Post by fshamrock on May 21, 2018 13:45:06 GMT -6
talked to a dude who had coached in FCS for 20 years...he said about 12 years ago when his kids got to middle school his wife told him that he could do whatever he wants but they were staying put...so he's had like 6 jobs all over the country while his wife raises his family every fall and during recruiting season...didn't ask for details but it seemed rough
lot to sacrifice
I've sold two houses while coaching and both sold relatively quickly so that was nice, but it is a huge hassle, If I weren't married I would rent forever, problem is you get way more home for your money when you buy....1500 rent around here gets you a pretty basic spread, paying 1500 in mortgage and you get a pretty nice pad
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Post by fshamrock on May 16, 2018 13:42:18 GMT -6
If any of you guys have a document that you give to the players on your council that outlines what the role is, that would be awesome. I'm thinking about coming up with one but I suck at formatting and making documents look all cool and official.
also I have no idea what I want it to say exactly
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Post by fshamrock on May 14, 2018 11:06:45 GMT -6
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Post by fshamrock on May 14, 2018 10:59:43 GMT -6
thankfully I'm like most of the rest of these guys and my wife pretty much just runs the house, makes the money, and comes to the game..she doesn't involve herself in much else
The coaches wives thing can be a pretty weird dynamic it its own right at times. I know there have been a few tense moments in the office due to tension between the wives, sometimes the head coach or coordinators wives will try to boss around the assistants wives, as if they somehow outrank them when it comes to what kind of dip should be at the party or whatever, it's weird.
I did know of a guy whose wife's role in the program was getting him fired...he'd go home and complain to his old lady but what an idiot the HC was and how things would be way better if he were in charge....so she started telling people around town the stuff that he told her....next thing ya know he gone
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Post by fshamrock on May 11, 2018 11:16:58 GMT -6
eh...we can do it but elect not to, it seems cool and all but how often can you really just bang on your own team before it gets old you know what practice is like the week before a game that everybody knows you're going to win because its the worst team in the area? take that level of intensity and times that by 10 because you aren't just not getting ready for a weak opponent, you are getting ready for no opponent at all! You do get to install some stuff but most of it you are going back over in the fall anyway. No big loss to not have it I have to disagree. Having spent many years without it, it's a great help to have it. We're limited--helmets, shoulder pads, no body to body contact and we only go 10 days. However, we get a lot done in terms of install and positions and our kids work hard. They love being out there in the spring and we do as well. By the time we hit August, we'll know who we have, we'll know what they can do (other than there may be one or two we're not sure of how they'll hit), and we'll have the basic stuff installed. We can then use the first few weeks of practice to tune things up rather than starting from scratch. How the kids work and how intense they are has a lot to do with how you approach practice. And, BTW, I've got very few complaints at this point. By this late in the spring, we've got almost everyone of our players out there and they're getting after it. Three days in and I'm pretty pleased with what I see--way ahead of a year ago. you know what...that makes a ton of sense really we get 18 practices, so of course everybody is going to use all 18, but I bet it doesn't really start getting repetitive/boring until that last week or so. 10 practices, maybe less, is probably the sweet spot the part about spring ball that really kills me is how it turns into a d--- measuring contest between the coordinators because we are only going against each other.....I have sat in a meeting at 8pm on a tuesday trying to anticipate what our offense might do during the scrimmage tomorrow and what we are going to do about, even installing new stuff that we'll never use again just to try and gain an advantage over our own guys. "oh so that's how it is we're gonna bring a bunch of pressures on our first day of spring?" "what are we supposed to do just sit back and let you sling it around" "crap coach we're trying to work on timing" "well we need to work on pressures" "phuk you!" "phuk you!" later in the defensive meeting room.. "boys...check this chit out, we're gonna call it G8 summit because we're bringing 8 freaking dudes"
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Post by fshamrock on May 11, 2018 10:31:56 GMT -6
Be grateful you have spring ball in the first place. eh...we can do it but elect not to, it seems cool and all but how often can you really just bang on your own team before it gets old you know what practice is like the week before a game that everybody knows you're going to win because its the worst team in the area? take that level of intensity and times that by 10 because you aren't just not getting ready for a weak opponent, you are getting ready for no opponent at all! You do get to install some stuff but most of it you are going back over in the fall anyway. No big loss to not have it
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Post by fshamrock on May 10, 2018 10:51:28 GMT -6
Do you have a series of plays from your 2 pt formation? Id like to learn what you do. That makes two of us. I'm all ears. okay but do you still work on extra points ever? I mean what if you're playing the biggest game of the year and you score a touchdown in the waning seconds to tie the game? you marching out the offense to go for 2 or in that instance you bring out the kicker and hope he remembers how to do it?
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Post by fshamrock on May 10, 2018 9:39:17 GMT -6
honestly, the money isn't that bad, I mean in terms of your quality of life, none of us are starving. I've always felt like once you make a halfway decent grown person's wage, your quality of life is probably pretty much the same as most other people. My brother and his wife are both corporate big shots, so between the two of them conservatively I'd say they probably make 400k to 500k a year....killing it by anybody's definition, but we hang out all the time and they live pretty much the same life I live, they just have a bigger house, newer cars, and take nicer vacations, but the day to day is the same...they hate mondays, have dumb meetings, deal with d-bags, work long hours, watch TV, try and find time to exercise. Nothing overly special about it. We got to Cozumel, they go to Aruba, but it's still sand and water and drinks with little umbrellas
now...dudes making in the tens of millions, that's a completely different lifestyle and probably pretty sweet, people trying to scrape by on minimum wage and gov't cheese eating mayonnaise sandwiches probably sucks, the rest of us are pretty much the same. So I figure you might as well do something fun, I just don't see guys in corporate/oil field/trades having the same type of moments we get after we build up a team and pour ourselves into them and they turn around and win a game they had no business winning....it's awesome and I wouldn't trade it for a newer model truck and another bedroom.....just my thoughts on the matter. not sure why all of that is in italics
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Post by fshamrock on May 10, 2018 9:38:20 GMT -6
honestly, the money isn't that bad, I mean in terms of your quality of life, none of us are starving. I've always felt like once you make a halfway decent grown person's wage, your quality of life is probably pretty much the same as most other people. My brother and his wife are both corporate big shots, so between the two of them conservatively I'd say they probably make 400k to 500k a year....killing it by anybody's definition, but we hang out all the time and they live pretty much the same life I live, they just have a bigger house, newer cars, and take nicer vacations, but the day to day is the same...they hate mondays, have dumb meetings, deal with d-bags, work long hours, watch TV, try and find time to exercise. Nothing overly special about it. We got to Cozumel, they go to Aruba, but it's still sand and water and drinks with little umbrellas
now...dudes making in the tens of millions, that's a completely different lifestyle and probably pretty sweet, people trying to scrape by on minimum wage and gov't cheese eating mayonnaise sandwiches probably sucks, the rest of us are pretty much the same. So I figure you might as well do something fun, I just don't see guys in corporate/oil field/trades having the same type of moments we get after we build up a team and pour ourselves into them and they turn around and win a game they had no business winning....it's awesome and I wouldn't trade it for a newer model truck and another bedroom.....just my thoughts on the matter.
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Post by fshamrock on May 9, 2018 11:08:24 GMT -6
wait check check....you coach one of those lingerie league teams? because i'd be curious how an average joe likes me gets in on that coaching action....I mean it seems like a good way to make extra money and also the empowerment of women....not the lingerie part at all No, it's not, and I don't appreciate when people automatically start talking about lingerie football, or assuming that's what I'm coaching each time I bring it up. I personally think lingerie football is disgusting. Our league uses NCAA rules, full pads, the players pay to play, all coaches are volunteers. We do this because we love coaching, and the players play, because they just want to play the game and not to be paraded around as sexual objects. I beg your pardon sir, I meant no offense being completely honest I've never heard of those leagues and the only adult women's football I've ever seen is lingerie league. I imagine it can get pretty old to have what you do constantly compared to that.
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Post by fshamrock on May 9, 2018 7:52:23 GMT -6
I've ran into this a few times and it happened tonight at practice (I'm assistant coaching for a women's adult team; they play in the spring/summer). We were introducing a new formation today, and the HC (also the OC) kept changing the name/alignment of our flanker, despite telling her to align in the same spot every time. He was using terms that contradicted her alignment (it's compartmentalized play calling, and the flanker alignment number kept changing, but he kept insisting they line up in the same spot). The big one; we were running a new play today as well designed to hit our left C-gap, which is our "7" hole; both in his playbook, and it's been how we've attacked that gap all season. The opposite side is the "6" hole, where we had already ran the play to the right. HOWEVER, he introduced the play as a "5" hole run, which is the left B-gap. We had also just ran the B-gap version the other way, which is to our "4" hole. This is how we've done it all season, and it's what his playbook shows. Since he introduced it as a "5" hole run, we ran it to that gap (I was filling in as the TB since our TB wasn't there today). He told us then we had to attack "this gap," which he called the "5" hole, which was our "7" hole all season. The entire team and other coaches just kind of stared at him dumbfounded (myself included). Our QB and myself just assumed "OK, it's a 7-hole run," aloud/together. He then got visibly angry and yelled at everyone there saying it was a "5" hole play, and to just take it there. I even double checked the playbook again when I got home. Long story short: He installed a play and called it X, so we ran it as X. He then said we had to run it as Y, but got angry when we corrected it and said it's a "Y" play. This isn't the first time this has happened, and I've seen this happen a lot from him this season. He doesn't accept the corrections, and throughout the season, I've seen him use his own terms differently (then switch back to the original definitions soon after, often within a matter of seconds between each other), and didn't take corrections from the coaches, or even his players that have ran his system for years. Have you had issues with this in the past? Do you struggle with this in your own system? I could just be salty here, but I get really irritated when coaches consistently tongue-tie their own terminology. If it were to happen, I'd want to make sure I'm being corrected. wait check check....you coach one of those lingerie league teams? because i'd be curious how an average joe likes me gets in on that coaching action....I mean it seems like a good way to make extra money and also the empowerment of women....not the lingerie part at all
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Post by fshamrock on May 2, 2018 13:14:58 GMT -6
How about the ones who quit football because they want to concentrate of getting that baseball scholarship...lost 2 this week. they can't play dead in a cowboy movie (both hit below .250) but think FSU or the like is gonna come calling. need that time to "get in cages" coach! but it turns out they spend that time practicing their cuss words and smoking weed with their friends, and still suck at baseball
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Post by fshamrock on Apr 26, 2018 12:02:28 GMT -6
baseball staff a couple of years ago, somebody had a fake twitter account trashing the baseball team and coaches relentlessly, insider stuff, kind of things only somebody on the team would know
so the head coach gets the guys together and says hey guys we're having a secret meeting and I don't want to be recorded, everybody put your phones in this box......soon as they hall all of the phones one of the assistants pulls out his phone and replies to one of the fake accounts tweets
lo and behold disgruntled "howcome I'm not the short stop" johnny's phone lights up
busted
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Post by fshamrock on Apr 26, 2018 10:57:30 GMT -6
worked with a pretty abrasive guy who told his position players "any of you bastards try recording me in a meeting and using it to get me fired, just remember, in a few years you'll be a grown man just like me and i'll catch you around town and beat the ___ out of you" never heard of any recordings so I guess it was effective What did the functional leadership council say about that? Does the coach also get a battle buddy and a brotherhood demerit from the battalion? Hahahahahaha Read more: coachhuey.com/thread/81324/group-punishment?page=3#ixzz5DnX89ogmyeah I don't imagine that old coach would have fit into anybody's culture manual on the topic though...I pretty much don't care, I joke around with kids a lot, but never obscenely, the rest of my meetings are made up boring football talk, record all you want. I'm sure I'll get fired for something someday, but I don't think it's going to be for something I said to a kid...i'd be willing to bet a recording helps more than it hurts in many cases i once heard about a guy who was introducing a player to a recruiter from some school that he knew..so he says "coach _____ this is Jim, he might look like kind of a dumbass but he's a good kid and great player" everybody laughs that school doesn't end up offering the kid, the kids parents file a big complaint with the brass that the football coach purposefully interfered with their sons recruiting by insulting him in front of the scout....... that is a true story....it's the he said/she said game that gets you in trouble, something you said taken out of context....i may just start recording myself 24/7 just to keep protected
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Post by fshamrock on Apr 26, 2018 10:40:36 GMT -6
worked with a pretty abrasive guy who told his position players
"any of you bastards try recording me in a meeting and using it to get me fired, just remember, in a few years you'll be a grown man just like me and i'll catch you around town and beat the ___ out of you"
never heard of any recordings so I guess it was effective
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Post by fshamrock on Apr 13, 2018 9:32:02 GMT -6
I have a picture of it somewhere I can't find, but we used a D1 schools locker room during a playoff game a gew years back and their team rules were pretty hilarious
It was pretty much
1) no drugs 2) no guns 3) respect women
setting the bar pretty high
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Post by fshamrock on Apr 10, 2018 14:00:44 GMT -6
it's an interesting study in how we process and value things though, I'm sure there's a name for it that some social scientist came up with, but we will always value things that we pay for more than what comes for free. This comes from the basic human belief we all hold which states WE are awesome and really smart, so it follows that if we decide to pay for something, then that thing must be really good, because we are really smart and awesome.
The guy that i'm paying 100 bucks an hour to MUST know more about playing wide receiver than my son's high school coach, because he costs 100 bucks an hour and my son's high school coach is free. The guy that I'm paying thousands of dollars to invest my money must be a stock market expert because he costs thousands, disregard the fact that several studies have shown these experts never out perform random chance when picking stocks. If it costs, it must be good, the more it costs, the better it must be
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Post by fshamrock on Apr 6, 2018 8:46:06 GMT -6
As to the question at your head coach interview "what do you do to get kids recruited?"...I think an appropriate response is to ask the principal "what do you do to get kids into ivy league colleges?" which is why I am not and never will be in charge of anything
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Post by fshamrock on Apr 6, 2018 8:35:16 GMT -6
As to the question at your head coach interview "what do you do to get kids recruited?"...I think an appropriate response is to ask the principal "what do you do to get kids into ivy league colleges?"
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Post by fshamrock on Apr 5, 2018 9:34:19 GMT -6
often times, those personnel decisions are made with what is best for the team in mind. I can't tell you how many kids we've known would more suited to a different spot but we needed them to fill a hole somewhere else because we already had a decent player at that spot. It's about the team and what's best for the group. Tell those kids and their parents about that when you don't agree with personnel decision, you'd be helping us out a ton. That is understood and I do. But, understand that a lot of parents aren't there for the team. They are there to do what they think is best for THEIR kid. A parent explained it like this: "My son makes straight A's in Ms. Yang's class (Geometry)....he responds to her style of teaching. I don't care if the rest of the class is stuck making 70s or worse. I'm involved in parent-conferences. I participate in the school. Why should I care about the kids in the class whose parents aren't involved? I'm concerned about my child." This was said to me in a very Mama Bear like approach. This lady isn't evil..I know her from work in the past. I've explained so many times why a 6'2 185 pound kid is starting at DE...while this same kid was a CB on another team and at 7 on 7 with another trainer. I explain that it's about the TEAM. Let's say this team's initials go by TB and are prominent in the Dallas area. What happened? I'll let you know at the end of summer. I hear you man, I really do. I have kids in elementary school and I find myself saying "parenty" crap all the time that I never thought I'd say. The parents aren't evil, just selfish, and in many cases not to type of people to take bad news well. "ma'am....johnny is a senior now, he's 156 pounds and runs a 4.9..he's not going to start on for us next year in high school, so it's doubtful that he's going to be getting recruited by Stanford" "well......what are YOU guys doing to HELP him!...if ya'll didn't HATE him so much and had moved him to QUARTERBACK we wouldn't have this problem!!" "............................"
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