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Post by bluedevil4 on May 8, 2018 22:14:55 GMT -6
I've ran into this a few times and it happened tonight at practice (I'm assistant coaching for a women's adult team; they play in the spring/summer).
We were introducing a new formation today, and the HC (also the OC) kept changing the name/alignment of our flanker, despite telling her to align in the same spot every time. He was using terms that contradicted her alignment (it's compartmentalized play calling, and the flanker alignment number kept changing, but he kept insisting they line up in the same spot).
The big one; we were running a new play today as well designed to hit our left C-gap, which is our "7" hole; both in his playbook, and it's been how we've attacked that gap all season. The opposite side is the "6" hole, where we had already ran the play to the right. HOWEVER, he introduced the play as a "5" hole run, which is the left B-gap. We had also just ran the B-gap version the other way, which is to our "4" hole. This is how we've done it all season, and it's what his playbook shows. Since he introduced it as a "5" hole run, we ran it to that gap (I was filling in as the TB since our TB wasn't there today). He told us then we had to attack "this gap," which he called the "5" hole, which was our "7" hole all season. The entire team and other coaches just kind of stared at him dumbfounded (myself included). Our QB and myself just assumed "OK, it's a 7-hole run," aloud/together. He then got visibly angry and yelled at everyone there saying it was a "5" hole play, and to just take it there. I even double checked the playbook again when I got home.
Long story short: He installed a play and called it X, so we ran it as X. He then said we had to run it as Y, but got angry when we corrected it and said it's a "Y" play.
This isn't the first time this has happened, and I've seen this happen a lot from him this season. He doesn't accept the corrections, and throughout the season, I've seen him use his own terms differently (then switch back to the original definitions soon after, often within a matter of seconds between each other), and didn't take corrections from the coaches, or even his players that have ran his system for years.
Have you had issues with this in the past? Do you struggle with this in your own system? I could just be salty here, but I get really irritated when coaches consistently tongue-tie their own terminology. If it were to happen, I'd want to make sure I'm being corrected.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 6:30:54 GMT -6
Not like that but coached with a guy who called plays other common play names
For ex wide zone wasnt "zone" or "outside" or "stretch", it was "veer", but the inside Veer play was called "dive" eventhough it was a veer play
He did that so noone coukd teach anything other than the way he wanted
It was confusing as hell when hed ask "anyone here know how to run...."
Wed have to ask if he meant his version or the actual way most teams do
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Post by Coach Bennett on May 9, 2018 7:27:27 GMT -6
You're not going to win by challenging/changing it in front of everyone.
I'd talk to the coach privately with specific examples and explain how it affects you and the team without attacking the coach.
If it doesn't get better or gets worse, get out.
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Post by planck on May 9, 2018 7:31:51 GMT -6
I mean, is it at all possible this guy is just getting older, or is he just {censored} things up by being careless? This is why, btw, I script things that call in practice.
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Post by dytmook on May 9, 2018 7:46:55 GMT -6
Buddy I coach with worked with a guy who called his Sam the Will and something else backwards. Guy said he learned it that way 40 years ago and he wasn't going to change it.
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Post by aceback76 on May 9, 2018 7:50:01 GMT -6
I've ran into this a few times and it happened tonight at practice (I'm assistant coaching for a women's adult team; they play in the spring/summer). We were introducing a new formation today, and the HC (also the OC) kept changing the name/alignment of our flanker, despite telling her to align in the same spot every time. He was using terms that contradicted her alignment (it's compartmentalized play calling, and the flanker alignment number kept changing, but he kept insisting they line up in the same spot). The big one; we were running a new play today as well designed to hit our left C-gap, which is our "7" hole; both in his playbook, and it's been how we've attacked that gap all season. The opposite side is the "6" hole, where we had already ran the play to the right. HOWEVER, he introduced the play as a "5" hole run, which is the left B-gap. We had also just ran the B-gap version the other way, which is to our "4" hole. This is how we've done it all season, and it's what his playbook shows. Since he introduced it as a "5" hole run, we ran it to that gap (I was filling in as the TB since our TB wasn't there today). He told us then we had to attack "this gap," which he called the "5" hole, which was our "7" hole all season. The entire team and other coaches just kind of stared at him dumbfounded (myself included). Our QB and myself just assumed "OK, it's a 7-hole run," aloud/together. He then got visibly angry and yelled at everyone there saying it was a "5" hole play, and to just take it there. I even double checked the playbook again when I got home. Long story short: He installed a play and called it X, so we ran it as X. He then said we had to run it as Y, but got angry when we corrected it and said it's a "Y" play. This isn't the first time this has happened, and I've seen this happen a lot from him this season. He doesn't accept the corrections, and throughout the season, I've seen him use his own terms differently (then switch back to the original definitions soon after, often within a matter of seconds between each other), and didn't take corrections from the coaches, or even his players that have ran his system for years. Have you had issues with this in the past? Do you struggle with this in your own system? I could just be salty here, but I get really irritated when coaches consistently tongue-tie their own terminology. If it were to happen, I'd want to make sure I'm being corrected. Yes! Just (in private,& in a agreeable way) try to get him to write up his nomenclature, & stress everybody stick ti it. |
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Post by fshamrock on May 9, 2018 7:52:23 GMT -6
I've ran into this a few times and it happened tonight at practice (I'm assistant coaching for a women's adult team; they play in the spring/summer). We were introducing a new formation today, and the HC (also the OC) kept changing the name/alignment of our flanker, despite telling her to align in the same spot every time. He was using terms that contradicted her alignment (it's compartmentalized play calling, and the flanker alignment number kept changing, but he kept insisting they line up in the same spot). The big one; we were running a new play today as well designed to hit our left C-gap, which is our "7" hole; both in his playbook, and it's been how we've attacked that gap all season. The opposite side is the "6" hole, where we had already ran the play to the right. HOWEVER, he introduced the play as a "5" hole run, which is the left B-gap. We had also just ran the B-gap version the other way, which is to our "4" hole. This is how we've done it all season, and it's what his playbook shows. Since he introduced it as a "5" hole run, we ran it to that gap (I was filling in as the TB since our TB wasn't there today). He told us then we had to attack "this gap," which he called the "5" hole, which was our "7" hole all season. The entire team and other coaches just kind of stared at him dumbfounded (myself included). Our QB and myself just assumed "OK, it's a 7-hole run," aloud/together. He then got visibly angry and yelled at everyone there saying it was a "5" hole play, and to just take it there. I even double checked the playbook again when I got home. Long story short: He installed a play and called it X, so we ran it as X. He then said we had to run it as Y, but got angry when we corrected it and said it's a "Y" play. This isn't the first time this has happened, and I've seen this happen a lot from him this season. He doesn't accept the corrections, and throughout the season, I've seen him use his own terms differently (then switch back to the original definitions soon after, often within a matter of seconds between each other), and didn't take corrections from the coaches, or even his players that have ran his system for years. Have you had issues with this in the past? Do you struggle with this in your own system? I could just be salty here, but I get really irritated when coaches consistently tongue-tie their own terminology. If it were to happen, I'd want to make sure I'm being corrected. wait check check....you coach one of those lingerie league teams? because i'd be curious how an average joe likes me gets in on that coaching action....I mean it seems like a good way to make extra money and also the empowerment of women....not the lingerie part at all |
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Post by Coach Bennett on May 9, 2018 7:56:01 GMT -6
Buddy I coach with worked with a guy who called his Sam the Will and something else backwards. Guy said he learned it that way 40 years ago and he wasn't going to change it. As long he's consistent, no problem. |
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Post by coachcb on May 9, 2018 8:55:15 GMT -6
I have run into a few HCs and coordinators like this over the years. When I was young, I would pull them aside and correct them at practice which tended to result in a waste of practice time and a coach with a bruised ego. Coaches like this tend to be over their heads and get bent out of shape when you talk to them during practice. It's much more professional to sit down with them after practice and "clarify" the terminology.
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Post by newhope on May 9, 2018 9:35:40 GMT -6
Let's consider a few things: 1. sometimes terminology changes over time 2. sometimes coaches call things their own way--they are the HC, that's the way everyone in their program should call it. Sometimes I think people just come up with new terms for old stuff just so they can act like they're smarter than everyone else 3. Ive had this happen to me, more in terms of playcall, but we used one term for years, now I've changed it to something different--I once used names and now I use cities---"Bobby" becomes "Boston"--I might say run "Bobby" instead of "Boston". It doesn't mean I'm senile or clueless.
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Post by bluedevil4 on May 9, 2018 9:38:44 GMT -6
I've ran into this a few times and it happened tonight at practice (I'm assistant coaching for a women's adult team; they play in the spring/summer). We were introducing a new formation today, and the HC (also the OC) kept changing the name/alignment of our flanker, despite telling her to align in the same spot every time. He was using terms that contradicted her alignment (it's compartmentalized play calling, and the flanker alignment number kept changing, but he kept insisting they line up in the same spot). The big one; we were running a new play today as well designed to hit our left C-gap, which is our "7" hole; both in his playbook, and it's been how we've attacked that gap all season. The opposite side is the "6" hole, where we had already ran the play to the right. HOWEVER, he introduced the play as a "5" hole run, which is the left B-gap. We had also just ran the B-gap version the other way, which is to our "4" hole. This is how we've done it all season, and it's what his playbook shows. Since he introduced it as a "5" hole run, we ran it to that gap (I was filling in as the TB since our TB wasn't there today). He told us then we had to attack "this gap," which he called the "5" hole, which was our "7" hole all season. The entire team and other coaches just kind of stared at him dumbfounded (myself included). Our QB and myself just assumed "OK, it's a 7-hole run," aloud/together. He then got visibly angry and yelled at everyone there saying it was a "5" hole play, and to just take it there. I even double checked the playbook again when I got home. Long story short: He installed a play and called it X, so we ran it as X. He then said we had to run it as Y, but got angry when we corrected it and said it's a "Y" play. This isn't the first time this has happened, and I've seen this happen a lot from him this season. He doesn't accept the corrections, and throughout the season, I've seen him use his own terms differently (then switch back to the original definitions soon after, often within a matter of seconds between each other), and didn't take corrections from the coaches, or even his players that have ran his system for years. Have you had issues with this in the past? Do you struggle with this in your own system? I could just be salty here, but I get really irritated when coaches consistently tongue-tie their own terminology. If it were to happen, I'd want to make sure I'm being corrected. wait check check....you coach one of those lingerie league teams? because i'd be curious how an average joe likes me gets in on that coaching action....I mean it seems like a good way to make extra money and also the empowerment of women....not the lingerie part at all No, it's not, and I don't appreciate when people automatically start talking about lingerie football, or assuming that's what I'm coaching each time I bring it up. I personally think lingerie football is disgusting. Our league uses NCAA rules, full pads, the players pay to play, all coaches are volunteers. We do this because we love coaching, and the players play, because they just want to play the game and not to be paraded around as sexual objects. |
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Post by bluedevil4 on May 9, 2018 9:40:15 GMT -6
Buddy I coach with worked with a guy who called his Sam the Will and something else backwards. Guy said he learned it that way 40 years ago and he wasn't going to change it. There's no universal terminology in football, and he's being consistent, so I don't see the issue here. The coach I'm working with is constantly getting his own terms for his own system mixed up. |
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on May 9, 2018 9:44:11 GMT -6
I've ran into this a few times and it happened tonight at practice (I'm assistant coaching for a women's adult team; they play in the spring/summer). We were introducing a new formation today, and the HC (also the OC) kept changing the name/alignment of our flanker, despite telling her to align in the same spot every time. He was using terms that contradicted her alignment (it's compartmentalized play calling, and the flanker alignment number kept changing, but he kept insisting they line up in the same spot). The big one; we were running a new play today as well designed to hit our left C-gap, which is our "7" hole; both in his playbook, and it's been how we've attacked that gap all season. The opposite side is the "6" hole, where we had already ran the play to the right. HOWEVER, he introduced the play as a "5" hole run, which is the left B-gap. We had also just ran the B-gap version the other way, which is to our "4" hole. This is how we've done it all season, and it's what his playbook shows. Since he introduced it as a "5" hole run, we ran it to that gap (I was filling in as the TB since our TB wasn't there today). He told us then we had to attack "this gap," which he called the "5" hole, which was our "7" hole all season. The entire team and other coaches just kind of stared at him dumbfounded (myself included). Our QB and myself just assumed "OK, it's a 7-hole run," aloud/together. He then got visibly angry and yelled at everyone there saying it was a "5" hole play, and to just take it there. I even double checked the playbook again when I got home. Long story short: He installed a play and called it X, so we ran it as X. He then said we had to run it as Y, but got angry when we corrected it and said it's a "Y" play. This isn't the first time this has happened, and I've seen this happen a lot from him this season. He doesn't accept the corrections, and throughout the season, I've seen him use his own terms differently (then switch back to the original definitions soon after, often within a matter of seconds between each other), and didn't take corrections from the coaches, or even his players that have ran his system for years. Have you had issues with this in the past? Do you struggle with this in your own system? I could just be salty here, but I get really irritated when coaches consistently tongue-tie their own terminology. If it were to happen, I'd want to make sure I'm being corrected. wait check check....you coach one of those lingerie league teams? because i'd be curious how an average joe likes me gets in on that coaching action....I mean it seems like a good way to make extra money and also the empowerment of women....not the lingerie part at all I believe he is talking about the women tackle leagues like WFA, IWFL, USWFL, etc. Legend football league has some good athletes, but I believe it's indoor rules with no C gap unless you use a TE  I coached at a WFA team, had a blast of a season and would do it again in a heartbeat. So much love for the sport in that league (from my experience), but you gotta be ready to have practices with sometimes really low numbers (like 15 players). We once had as many coaches as players during a practice, which pi$$ed us off. Back to topic: I would take it with him after, use a pen and paper. I would go the route: "Let's make sure I understand your thought process and idea behind how you want the play to hit." Sometimes you will have to tend to an ego as an HC, sometime as an AC. |
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Post by bluedevil4 on May 9, 2018 9:51:20 GMT -6
wait check check....you coach one of those lingerie league teams? because i'd be curious how an average joe likes me gets in on that coaching action....I mean it seems like a good way to make extra money and also the empowerment of women....not the lingerie part at all I believe he is talking about the women tackle leagues like WFA, IWFL, USWFL, etc. Legend football league has some good athletes, but I believe it's indoor rules with no C gap unless you use a TE I coached at a WFA team, had a blast of a season and would do it again in a heartbeat. So much love for the sport in that league (from my experience), but you gotta be ready to have practices with sometimes really low numbers (like 15 players). We once had as many coaches as players during a practice, which pi$$ed us off. Back to topic: I would take it with him after, use a pen and paper. I would go the route: "Let's make sure I understand your thought process and idea behind how you want the play to hit." Sometimes you will have to tend to an ego as an HC, sometime as an AC. Yep, it's WFA. It's been an absolute blast, and the women have been awesome. It's like football with a fresh culture; people are playing because they just love playing. We have a player who is approaching 50 with grand kids, and after every play she gets up with a huge smile and doesn't stop telling us over and over how much fun she is having. There's little bad blood between players and teams; we usually gather after games at a bar and mix the tables up which I think is really cool. |
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Post by fshamrock on May 9, 2018 11:08:24 GMT -6
wait check check....you coach one of those lingerie league teams? because i'd be curious how an average joe likes me gets in on that coaching action....I mean it seems like a good way to make extra money and also the empowerment of women....not the lingerie part at all No, it's not, and I don't appreciate when people automatically start talking about lingerie football, or assuming that's what I'm coaching each time I bring it up. I personally think lingerie football is disgusting. Our league uses NCAA rules, full pads, the players pay to play, all coaches are volunteers. We do this because we love coaching, and the players play, because they just want to play the game and not to be paraded around as sexual objects. I beg your pardon sir, I meant no offense being completely honest I've never heard of those leagues and the only adult women's football I've ever seen is lingerie league. I imagine it can get pretty old to have what you do constantly compared to that. |
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Post by agap on May 9, 2018 15:21:29 GMT -6
I know I've gotten things mixed up at times. For example, if we were running Special but we called it Red, I would sometimes call it Special on accident. It doesn't sound like that's the case here though, it sounds like it's happening way more often than a couple times throughout the season.
I agree with whoever said to script practice. That could eliminate some of this if he's willing to script it.
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Post by Hitch & Pitch on May 9, 2018 15:32:53 GMT -6
I believe he is talking about the women tackle leagues like WFA, IWFL, USWFL, etc. Legend football league has some good athletes, but I believe it's indoor rules with no C gap unless you use a TE I coached at a WFA team, had a blast of a season and would do it again in a heartbeat. So much love for the sport in that league (from my experience), but you gotta be ready to have practices with sometimes really low numbers (like 15 players). We once had as many coaches as players during a practice, which pi$$ed us off. Back to topic: I would take it with him after, use a pen and paper. I would go the route: "Let's make sure I understand your thought process and idea behind how you want the play to hit." Sometimes you will have to tend to an ego as an HC, sometime as an AC. Yep, it's WFA. It's been an absolute blast, and the women have been awesome. It's like football with a fresh culture; people are playing because they just love playing. We have a player who is approaching 50 with grand kids, and after every play she gets up with a huge smile and doesn't stop telling us over and over how much fun she is having. There's little bad blood between players and teams; we usually gather after games at a bar and mix the tables up which I think is really cool. Off topic but I think female HS football would be big... During the season, when I'm drawing "scout" cards, I always have female students ask me questions about the game. I ask them if we had girl's football? would they play, they always respond "girls against girls? heck yeah..." |
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Post by adawg2302 on May 9, 2018 16:12:19 GMT -6
Yep, it's WFA. It's been an absolute blast, and the women have been awesome. It's like football with a fresh culture; people are playing because they just love playing. We have a player who is approaching 50 with grand kids, and after every play she gets up with a huge smile and doesn't stop telling us over and over how much fun she is having. There's little bad blood between players and teams; we usually gather after games at a bar and mix the tables up which I think is really cool. Off topic but I think female HS football would be big... During the season, when I'm drawing "scout" cards, I always have female students ask me questions about the game. I ask them if we had girl's football? would they play, they always respond "girls against girls? heck yeah..." If you ever watch some of the powder puff football games some schools have, you see some pretty dynamic athletes doing some cool stuff! |
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Post by CoachUndershirt on May 10, 2018 7:54:56 GMT -6
Off topic but I think female HS football would be big... During the season, when I'm drawing "scout" cards, I always have female students ask me questions about the game. I ask them if we had girl's football? would they play, they always respond "girls against girls? heck yeah..." If you ever watch some of the powder puff football games some schools have, you see some pretty dynamic athletes doing some cool stuff! Last year we had a powderpuff team run an RPO and I about pee'd myself in excitement. |
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