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Post by Chief0934 on Apr 11, 2018 21:33:48 GMT -6
Would anyone care to share some non negotiable rules that your team has? Looking for a few good ones to borrow. Thanks in advance.
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Post by jrk5150 on Apr 12, 2018 7:39:50 GMT -6
I know you'll get some great answers, but I'm going to play Devil's Advocate, and say be very careful of "non-negotiable" rules. That smacks of "zero tolerance", and I HATE zero tolerance policies - they're for the intellectually lazy who don't want to be held accountable for making decisions.
Every situation needs to be judged on its own merits. What probably can/should be non-negotiable are the values you carry into the decision, but you have to be prepared to account for subtle differences that should be considered.
Please note, that doesn't mean you don't end up with something resembling a non-negotiable rule in certain situations, but that would be based on your values, not a rule/policy. Having respect as a value might mean you'd tend to come down on someone who is late - they aren't respecting you/the team enough to be on time. But making value based decisions allows you to consider their individual circumstances, which might just mitigate an individual occurrence of being late vs. if you have a "non-negotiable" policy on tardiness.
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Post by newhope on Apr 12, 2018 9:45:13 GMT -6
Steal from your teammates and you're gone. Completely non-negotiable.
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Post by fkaboneyard on Apr 12, 2018 10:01:15 GMT -6
For players - no stealing, no physical assault of coaches, officials, cheerleaders or watergirls. For coaches - no syrup in the locker room, no sticking your dork into a bun at the team bbq, no hot-tubbing with other coaches wives. The usual stuff.
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Post by Chief0934 on Apr 12, 2018 10:22:37 GMT -6
Yea, I get that every rule might have an exception once in a while, even if it is called "non negotiable". I am referring to something like If you miss 2 practices without letting any of the coaches know=automatic suspension. That would be pretty non negotiable in my opinion.
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Post by fkaboneyard on Apr 12, 2018 10:23:30 GMT -6
Yea, I get that every rule might have an exception once in a while, even if it is called "non negotiable". I am referring to something like If you miss 2 practices without letting any of the coaches know=automatic suspension. That would be pretty non negotiable in my opinion. If there are exceptions it isn't a non-negotiable.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 10:38:14 GMT -6
All rules should be non-negotiable. That's what makes them rules and not "suggestions."
The rule of thumb on rules is to not make a rule unless you're ready to enforce it with firmness and consistency... but also try to avoid locking yourself into consequences that are so rigid that you have absolutely no wiggle room to account for context. Try to avoid having too many and pulling a Josh McDaniels or it becomes impossible to track or enforce them all.
The only times you should lock yourself into a specific consequence are when your administration or association puts in front of you and says "you and your players need to follow this policy." Things like a minimum number of credits or GPA to play, no practice or playing time on days you're suspended, etc.
Most good rules are either common sense stuff or they address particular issues plaguing your team. You can have your senior leaders work with you to determine what your rules will be, since they'll probably come up with about the same ideas you will.
The obvious non-negotiable rules are:
1. No disrespecting coaches, trainers, or teammates.
2. No stealing or vandalism.
3. No missing practice or workouts without clearing it with a coach first.
4. No loafing in games or in practice.
5. Stay out of trouble in school (fighting, not doing work, disrespecting teachers, etc.).
You can sum them all up as "be excellent" but sometimes kids don't see how that applies.
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Post by aceback76 on Apr 12, 2018 10:56:52 GMT -6
Would anyone care to share some non negotiable rules that your team has? Looking for a few good ones to borrow. Thanks in advance. Be on time! Give 100%!
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Post by Wingtman on Apr 12, 2018 11:04:52 GMT -6
Respect all women.
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Post by center on Apr 12, 2018 11:45:26 GMT -6
Attendance
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 11:46:37 GMT -6
Bullying
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 12:23:57 GMT -6
Our state has an "anti-bullying" law now. Basically, if a kid gets in trouble for antagonizing the same kid twice in any way, it constitutes a pattern of bullying and it puts a ton of legal obligations on the school to take serious action and insure the behavior can never happen again. If a kid gets in trouble for bullying at school or a school related activity, he's in deep trouble. If he does it on your watch and you don't do enough to stop it (like report it to admin and boot him off the team), it's your @$$ on the line too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 12:30:30 GMT -6
Our state has an "anti-bullying" law now. Basically, if a kid gets in trouble for antagonizing the same kid twice in any way, it constitutes a pattern of bullying and it puts a ton of legal obligations on the school to take serious action and insure the behavior can never happen again. If a kid gets in trouble for bullying at school or a school related activity, he's in deep trouble. If he does it on your watch and you don't do enough to stop it (like report it to admin and boot him off the team), it's your @$$ on the line too. I think most of them do now I know or school is extremely strict about even play wrestling or play fighting they have cameras in the hallways We simply tell our kids if you get caught bullying there's nothing we can do to help you it's up to the school
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Post by dytmook on Apr 12, 2018 12:35:33 GMT -6
My number 1 rule is don't make rules you don't want to enforce.
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Post by godandgus on Apr 12, 2018 14:18:08 GMT -6
For players - no stealing, no physical assault of coaches, officials, cheerleaders or watergirls. For coaches - no syrup in the locker room, no sticking your dork into a bun at the team bbq, no hot-tubbing with other coaches wives. The usual stuff. No sticking your dork into a bun at the team bar b q, Sorry, I couldnt play for you, tight a$$!!!! No syrup from my tiny little bird lips (Super Troopers) No hot tubbin other wives, who are you, Mother Theresa? I'll coach somewhere else, unless of course your hiring?
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Post by 3rdandlong on Apr 12, 2018 21:52:58 GMT -6
While you have to be careful with rules, you also have to know where you will draw a line. There has to be something for you that you value and you won’t put up with.
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Post by carookie on Apr 12, 2018 22:22:23 GMT -6
I am guilty of it too with some of my rules, but I find it interesting how many of us have these ambiguous rules (be a good teammate, work hard, respect coaches). I think we tend to use these as catchalls that tend to be enforced more sporadically; moreover without specifically defining what each of these exactly means they become nothing more than platitudes that we use to dole out punishments at times.
As I wrote, 'I am guilty of them too', but I feel it is best to be as complete and meticulous with the articulation of all rules as possible. Or at the very least define the levels of relative terms (how exactly does one display respect or disrespect in their actions).
FWIW, I think we tend to do better with safety based rules as we can clearly define them, ie: there is to be no chewing gum while participating in physical, sport related, activities.
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Post by CS on Apr 13, 2018 3:51:55 GMT -6
For players - no stealing, no physical assault of coaches, officials, cheerleaders or watergirls. For coaches - no syrup in the locker room, no sticking your dork into a bun at the team bbq, no hot-tubbing with other coaches wives. The usual stuff. Man I totally forgot about the hot dog guy...what the f^ck is wrong with people
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Post by fkaboneyard on Apr 13, 2018 8:27:06 GMT -6
For players - no stealing, no physical assault of coaches, officials, cheerleaders or watergirls. For coaches - no syrup in the locker room, no sticking your dork into a bun at the team bbq, no hot-tubbing with other coaches wives. The usual stuff. Man I totally forgot about the hot dog guy...what the f^ck is wrong with people Apparently it happens thousands of times a year. That's a Ball Park figure.
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Post by fshamrock on Apr 13, 2018 9:32:02 GMT -6
I have a picture of it somewhere I can't find, but we used a D1 schools locker room during a playoff game a gew years back and their team rules were pretty hilarious
It was pretty much
1) no drugs 2) no guns 3) respect women
setting the bar pretty high
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Post by jcamerot on Apr 13, 2018 10:00:13 GMT -6
Understand what you're looking for but think its nearly impossible to come up with based upon the circumstances & environments that so many of our players exist in day-to-day. Would approach it more from a set of 'team expectations' and then feel that you're going to have to look at a lot of issues on a case by case basis.
Not saying to have a program that runs half-a## but non-negotiable rules (as some other posters have stated) need to be universally enforced--extremely hard to really do that in all situations that arise in a season.
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Post by junior6589 on Apr 13, 2018 12:06:55 GMT -6
I have a picture of it somewhere I can't find, but we used a D1 schools locker room during a playoff game a gew years back and their team rules were pretty hilarious It was pretty much 1) no drugs 2) no guns 3) respect women setting the bar pretty high Wonder who the team was...
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Post by bleefb on Apr 15, 2018 7:38:04 GMT -6
I think your rules are going to end being whatever the school and or District rules are, because they won't back you on anything extra you come up with. Shoot, they usually don't back you on their own rules. That being said, we always had a rule that if you miss practice you don't start. If you miss a Wednesday practice(before a Friday game) you won't suit up for that game. It worked pretty well, and the Wednesday rule kept us from trying to play an in injured or sick player before he was ready, or the kids using a sniffle to miss practice.
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Post by huddlehut on Apr 15, 2018 12:59:38 GMT -6
What about when your starting quarterback misses a practice to attend his grandmother's funeral?
What if your stud RB goes to the doctor to get cleared for that would game and the appointment causes him to miss practice? Do you sit these kids?
Don't have a rule that you cannot or will not enforce.
More is not always better.
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Apr 15, 2018 22:04:28 GMT -6
1 - Live clean (drugs, alcohol, vaping, etc.) 2 - Follow/Abide by all laws and rules (real world and on campus) 3 - Respect all humans, especially women
covers everything in my opinion
and they are stated as to what TO do, not what not to do
SIDE NOTE: When it comes to my players and rules, I may not always be equal, but I will always be fair
- stolen and modified from Tony Dungy
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Post by huddlehut on Apr 16, 2018 7:25:47 GMT -6
*Be where you're supposed to be.
*Be there when you're supposed to be there.
*Be doing what you're supposed to be doing.
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Post by newhope on Apr 17, 2018 7:33:32 GMT -6
I have a picture of it somewhere I can't find, but we used a D1 schools locker room during a playoff game a gew years back and their team rules were pretty hilarious It was pretty much 1) no drugs 2) no guns 3) respect women setting the bar pretty high Wonder who the team was... Not the SEC--standard is too high
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Post by cwaltsmith on Apr 17, 2018 8:49:06 GMT -6
We have non negotiables for each position...
Ex = DBs never let WR behind you in zone coverage. Never let man inside in man coverage
DL don't get reached, LB keep PS shoulder free..
As far as rules go, I think you definitely need standards and high ones, but be careful painting yourself in corner.
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