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Post by 50slantstrong on Jul 24, 2017 16:40:03 GMT -6
School has won two consecutive league titles, had the same HC for for four years now and by almost all accounts is an environment in which we have the best interest of the kids at heart. Two kids (both returning starters) are now enrolled at another school that's won 5 games in 3 years and has had 4 head coaches in 6 years. Come to find out their passing league coach is working on that campus and is good friends with the head coach. Idiotic parents and passing league clubs strike again. (Vent over) Do you not have transfer rules in your state? In MO if a kid did that, and it was proved they moved for athletic reasons, they would be ineligible from all sports for 365 days. Only way I've seen people make it work is going private to public and showing they couldn't afford tuition. Or the parents get a new job and moved to the new town. Everybody has a great aunt's best friend's niece's cousin who has an address right next to every school in Southern California.
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Post by 50slantstrong on Jul 24, 2017 11:24:03 GMT -6
School has won two consecutive league titles, had the same HC for for four years now and by almost all accounts is an environment in which we have the best interest of the kids at heart.
Two kids (both returning starters) are now enrolled at another school that's won 5 games in 3 years and has had 4 head coaches in 6 years. Come to find out their passing league coach is working on that campus and is good friends with the head coach.
Idiotic parents and passing league clubs strike again.
(Vent over)
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Post by 50slantstrong on Jul 23, 2017 21:00:40 GMT -6
Team App. We use it and love it.
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Post by 50slantstrong on Jul 19, 2017 10:22:14 GMT -6
We don't post it for the kids to see. We keep a live excel sheet that all the coaches can edit.
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Post by 50slantstrong on Jul 16, 2017 11:48:15 GMT -6
I coach at a mid sized public school in Southern California. I would say about 20-25 of our players are affiliated with a 7-7 club. 1. Yes at least in Southern California it does expose more kids to colleges. I hate passing league, especially the clubs but I know for a fact at least two PAC 12 and two Big 10 schools will send coaches to 7-7 events and talk to coaches without checking out spring football or talking to the kids' 11 man coaches. A certain defensive four star recruit in 2019 hasn't had a single college coach come to campus and ask about him but he has offers from four schools and he's at PL competitions pretty much every weekend from January through July. You do the math. I know he can't be the only one in this predicament. 2. Not from my experience do guys get hurt in passing league. Occasionally one will be a little tight from a competition and be rusty on Monday during spring but nothing ever serious or prolonged. Obviously this could vary. 3. Yes it's a money grab. One hundred percent. Every prominent passing league coach here in Southern California sells their program based on the scholarship players it's "produced". Parents being the gullible creatures that they are eat it up and give away money hand over fist thinking their five foot nothing, 100 lb soaking wet 6 flat 40 kid is going to become the next Calvin Johnson. The biggest issue our program has with them is that they tell kids they're out of position. We had an all league defensive lineman whose mom insisted her boy was a wide receiver going into his senior season. We gave him his chance, he was slower than almost all of the varsity receivers, couldn't catch a cold, and couldn't pick up the offense as well as others. He got sent back to the DL after a few weeks (which is more than fair). Mom didn't like it and talked to his 7-7 coach. Coach told him we're the reason he won't get a scholarship. Kid ended up transferring to a school that went 1-9 and ran a wing-t and threw the ball less than 80 times all year. But he got to play receiver so it's okay. 😏 This was the most glaring example but we probably get two kids every year who leave because their passing league coach tells them they're out of position. I'm of the belief that 7-7 clubs are toxic but if they were to be banned, the snake oil salesman who run them would resurface in other shapes and forms (remember when "recruiting services" and specialized trainers were all the rage?). Parents will continue to be ignorant and believe that there are shortcuts to being offered by major colleges. Tis the society we live in I suppose.... Not sure about other areas, but the ones here in Southern California are street pimps. Lots of them are doing it under the guise of helping kids. They will also not charge a kid if he is a top rated athlete just so they can use him as a poster boy. A lot of them were D1 football players themselves but didn't quite make it and didn't finish their degrees so it's the only thing they're capable of doing to make a living. And if there is a 7 on 7 coach who is on staff for a high school team then you can be sure that the school will have lots of transfers. Ditto. I think you and I might be from the same neck of the woods. I've seen some of them try to use the fact that they were D1 or in some cases NFL players as a sell as well. As though having extraordinary physical gifts makes you a better teacher. Those guys kill me. But parents still adore them.
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Post by 50slantstrong on Jul 16, 2017 9:57:50 GMT -6
I coach at a mid sized public school in Southern California. I would say about 20-25 of our players are affiliated with a 7-7 club.
1. Yes at least in Southern California it does expose more kids to colleges. I hate passing league, especially the clubs but I know for a fact at least two PAC 12 and two Big 10 schools will send coaches to 7-7 events and talk to coaches without checking out spring football or talking to the kids' 11 man coaches. A certain defensive four star recruit in 2019 hasn't had a single college coach come to campus and ask about him but he has offers from four schools and he's at PL competitions pretty much every weekend from January through July. You do the math. I know he can't be the only one in this predicament. 2. Not from my experience do guys get hurt in passing league. Occasionally one will be a little tight from a competition and be rusty on Monday during spring but nothing ever serious or prolonged. Obviously this could vary. 3. Yes it's a money grab. One hundred percent. Every prominent passing league coach here in Southern California sells their program based on the scholarship players it's "produced". Parents being the gullible creatures that they are eat it up and give away money hand over fist thinking their five foot nothing, 100 lb soaking wet 6 flat 40 kid is going to become the next Calvin Johnson.
The biggest issue our program has with them is that they tell kids they're out of position. We had an all league defensive lineman whose mom insisted her boy was a wide receiver going into his senior season. We gave him his chance, he was slower than almost all of the varsity receivers, couldn't catch a cold, and couldn't pick up the offense as well as others. He got sent back to the DL after a few weeks (which is more than fair). Mom didn't like it and talked to his 7-7 coach. Coach told him we're the reason he won't get a scholarship. Kid ended up transferring to a school that went 1-9 and ran a wing-t and threw the ball less than 80 times all year. But he got to play receiver so it's okay. 😏
This was the most glaring example but we probably get two kids every year who leave because their passing league coach tells them they're out of position.
I'm of the belief that 7-7 clubs are toxic but if they were to be banned, the snake oil salesman who run them would resurface in other shapes and forms (remember when "recruiting services" and specialized trainers were all the rage?). Parents will continue to be ignorant and believe that there are shortcuts to being offered by major colleges. Tis the society we live in I suppose....
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Post by 50slantstrong on Jul 11, 2017 12:40:05 GMT -6
In TX the athletics governing body is set to rule on whether or not high school coaches can "officially" coach 7 on 7. Currently the rule is that they can not, so everybody just gets a dad or former player to be the pretend coach. A lot of guys are excited about seeing the rule pass so they can get involved with the players, which is good...but I'm a little apprehensive. Haven't heard anybody mention whether or not we might be getting a stipend for what constitutes a third sport played in the summer, I been around long enough to know that this thing will grow into a monster where we are having practice every day and probably meetings and who knows what else. I wish they would privatize the whole thing and take the schools out completely, let the kids go join some team and call themselves the spiders and go play 7 on 7...leave me out of it. If some kid decides not to play football so they can focus on 7 on 7...then that probably wasn't going to be much of player anyway IMO I hate 7 on 7 I don't think that you really wish that at all. Some of the potential fallout from independent 7 on 7 teams (And these have gone way beyond "potential" in some areas): - Recruiting kids from one HS to another that's favored by the 7 on 7 coaches. - Confusing kids when the 7 on 7 coaches teach different techniques and/or have different philosophies and priorities that you do. - Convincing kids to miss your workouts and team events to participate in 7 on 7. - Violations of state association or NCAA recruiting rules that may embarrass or cause sanctions for your program even though you had nothing to do with them (See "Basketball, AAU"). We have private 7-7 clubs in Southern California. The biggest issue I've had is that they tell these kids you should be playing a specific position and if your high school coach doesn't play you there you need to transfer because that coach is going to cost you a scholarship. Of course the parents who are paying the guy eat it up like it's gospel. We've lost multiple potential all league players because of this. We've never really had an issue with conflict of events or anything with scheme. (We are a spread offense and 2 high defense in our base). Even though it probably isn't defined as an "issue" because it doesn't effect the program, I have a personal issue with 7-7 coaches trying to take credit for developing scholarship players that they handpicked to participate in their club.
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Post by 50slantstrong on Jul 10, 2017 18:12:49 GMT -6
Can we make special mention for coaches who habitually argue with refs? It's okay to question for a moment but to harp on a call play after play is juvenile. Come on coach, dude isn't going to change his mind. Do your job and coach your kids.
Some of these guys I saw at a 7-7 tourney this weekend were so bad, I felt sorry for the refs. You couldn't pay me enough to officiate.
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Post by 50slantstrong on Jul 5, 2017 19:50:14 GMT -6
I honestly wouldn't differentiate it much than if you were to teach a Teacher Education course, except for middle schoolers.
-How to manage people -How to get the most out of pupils -Learning modalities -Creative ways to get people to do the same thing in different ways
PS, sounds like a badass course and admin that's willing to make that happen. What state are you in?
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Post by 50slantstrong on Jun 30, 2017 22:19:46 GMT -6
I saw that on football scoop this morning. Another one they could've thrown in there would be "I wish we had more kids who thought they were receivers and not lineman"
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Post by 50slantstrong on Jun 30, 2017 22:18:13 GMT -6
Oh sheesh a guy I formerly coached JV with was a walking encyclopedia of coaching phrases that need to die.
"Make a tackle!" "Block somebody" "You look scared" "You're playing soft" "Hit somebody"
Just to name a few...sad part is the guy actually knew a respectable amount about football, he simply felt it was beneath him to try to teach the finer biomechanical aspects of the game or deal with players who weren't foaming at the mouth to get better...
Disclaimer: I was guilty of using some of these phrases as recently as 2012
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Post by 50slantstrong on Jun 25, 2017 18:09:59 GMT -6
No athletic offices at our school. We use the DC's classroom.
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Post by 50slantstrong on Jun 21, 2017 22:04:09 GMT -6
coaches who
-won't help set up the field -don't take attendance for their position group -won't contribute or coach guys in the weight room -don't care to learn how to enter data into hudl -think they suddenly are Bill Belichek on thursdays during JV games -don't understand the scheme but want to tell you it's wrong -swear there's only one way to defend something and that's the only way it can be done successfully -think the players want to hear about how good they were when they played -try to big league the other coaches when the head coach isn't around
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Post by 50slantstrong on Jun 14, 2017 9:59:06 GMT -6
Just got email number 4. Been in summer school for a grand total of 7 days.
(For all the good it will do) - as professionally and politely as you can:
Tell them they need to meet with HS principal face-to-face
I'm of the belief it is best to avoid contact with admin by any means necessary. Directly telling a parent to contact them because a student is uncomfortable with your class is a pretty good way to get on admin's radar
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Post by 50slantstrong on Jun 14, 2017 9:53:17 GMT -6
I think this is going to be the theme of the next school year: I've been in summer school for a week and a half now and I've already gotten this three times: Parents emailing me telling me their kid can't present in front of the class because they have an anxiety issue and/or they don't like talking. No IEP, no doctor's note, and Little Johnny has no problem clowning around at his desk and trying to get his peers' attention, but he can't stand in front of the class and talk for 5 minutes about something related to academics. Screw that, be a parent and tell your kid to sack up because whether you're flipping burgers or running a Fortune 500 company, you're going to have to learn to communicate with others I empathize with those kids in some ways. I hate public speaking. Last year I was told I had to present a lesson to our staff at PD because our principal loved it when she observed me. I told her I wasn't comfortable and shrugged it off and said don't worry about it. I said ok and a month later when the PD day came up I called in sick. I know it's an irrational fear but it still causes anxiety. I tell my kids in class they are free to opt out of speeches or presentations, but them and their parents have to sign a paper saying they know they will receive a zero and there will be no make up assignment. I am polite about it and tell them it's best to fight through it to overcome the anxiety. If they still don't want to do it, we all move on. I have never had any parent or student issues with this policy. If someone went to the admin, I would be frustrated. I do understand the value of public speaking and wish I was better at it because I think I am terrible at job interviews. But I am at least good enough to keep a job. I hear you and I'm uncomfortable speaking in front of an audience at times too. But the way we're doing summer school is the students have to demonstrate mastery of one content standard in the form of a five minute presentation and that's their grade for an entire semester. Basically they're earning five credits (five months worth of work) in five minutes. That's a pretty sweet deal if you ask me. Barring a note from a medical professional or an IEP which explicitly states the student cannot perform this sort of assingment, I do not feel I should have to make a single accommodation...
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Post by 50slantstrong on Jun 13, 2017 15:23:17 GMT -6
I think this is going to be the theme of the next school year: I've been in summer school for a week and a half now and I've already gotten this three times: Parents emailing me telling me their kid can't present in front of the class because they have an anxiety issue and/or they don't like talking. No IEP, no doctor's note, and Little Johnny has no problem clowning around at his desk and trying to get his peers' attention, but he can't stand in front of the class and talk for 5 minutes about something related to academics. Screw that, be a parent and tell your kid to sack up because whether you're flipping burgers or running a Fortune 500 company, you're going to have to learn to communicate with others Just got email number 4. Been in summer school for a grand total of 7 days.
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Post by 50slantstrong on Jun 13, 2017 10:10:25 GMT -6
I think this is going to be the theme of the next school year: I've been in summer school for a week and a half now and I've already gotten this three times:
Parents emailing me telling me their kid can't present in front of the class because they have an anxiety issue and/or they don't like talking. No IEP, no doctor's note, and Little Johnny has no problem clowning around at his desk and trying to get his peers' attention, but he can't stand in front of the class and talk for 5 minutes about something related to academics.
Screw that, be a parent and tell your kid to sack up because whether you're flipping burgers or running a Fortune 500 company, you're going to have to learn to communicate with others
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Post by 50slantstrong on Jun 13, 2017 9:43:32 GMT -6
Teachers who wont keep their kids in class on the last day of school.... Haha there's a teacher (whom I have no idea how he has a teaching credential) on our campus who begs kids to get passes to hang out in his class at all random periods. The last day of school practically half the class asked if they could hang out in his class so I just let them. TBH, if he didn't act like a kid and try to be buddy buddy with students I'd have told the kids hell no...but he begs kids to be his friend and the admin hasn't done a single thing so screw it, go be his responsibility....
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Post by 50slantstrong on May 21, 2017 17:45:30 GMT -6
I would fully support this if it meant also giving the death penalty to passing league clubs.
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Post by 50slantstrong on May 16, 2017 10:44:13 GMT -6
Like: seeing players harvest the fruits of their labors in the weight room, molding an identity of your position group, noticing your own improvement as a coach
Dislike: coaching 30 kids at a time in indy, playing the who plays what position round-robin/dealing with kids who are delirious about what position they belong at, taking attendance
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Post by 50slantstrong on May 13, 2017 14:36:25 GMT -6
We have a 2 man sled that when both sides are hit simultaneously it'll be very obvious which side used more force. We have other things that we use to judge who gets off the ball fastest using the same sled.
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Post by 50slantstrong on May 12, 2017 20:47:26 GMT -6
Haha that's funny. I had a kid a few years ago during spring running his mouth in class about how he was going to come out and be a lockdown corner. Literally talked about it from bell to bell about how he was better than the other corners, our receivers sucked and the offensive coaches were "trash". Needless to say he came out for a day and was about the most worthless 150 lbs of flesh in the county in 1s vs 1s with receivers. That segment was filmed and I showed clips of him getting posterized almost every rep to the class with him in it the next day. One of those things you don't want to go to drastic measures to teach someone to watch what they say, but sometimes you have no choice. LOL Both of these stories are dumb. Why even get mad at this stuff?? Kids are ignorant but they know when another kid is full of sh!t. More than likely the whole school already knew that both of those kids were morons For what it's worth the kid had been an a hole in my class all year and had it coming. If it were some random kid who hadn't been giving me problems the previous 6 months I probably wouldn't have done anything.
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Post by 50slantstrong on May 12, 2017 13:00:29 GMT -6
The local newspaper has a video everyday on their website everyday that summarizes current national and local events. It's about 5-10 minutes long and seldom has bias so I think it's extremely applicable to show to my American Government classes. I showed it to my class yesterday and for about the 30th consecutive day, a specific student made a smart ass comment about how the news is stupid and whined that the class shouldn't have to watch it. Ordinarily I roll my eyes at him or flat out ignore him, it is my belief he is attention deprived and I don't want to dignify his actions in front of an audience. However, I have recently been stressed out and am irritable. So when he made his stupid comments, I paused the video and told him in front of the class "if watching 10 minutes of the news is the worst part of your life, you have the best life of anyone I know", and proceeded to give him a bunch of return envelopes out of my desk from bills I owe, and gave him a quick lecture of how much baby formula, diapers, mortgages and gasoline cost, and to please swap places with me because I wish on my lucky stars watching the news for 10 minutes was the most stressful part of my life. I normally don't fly off the handle like that and can count on one hand how many moments like that I've had in the classroom, but somebody needed to tell this kid how it is. towards the end of a freshman government / geography class yesterday a freshman DL for us was talking about how good he is and is going to be "maaaaan ima be like aubrey solomon (the #1 DT in the country). This kid mind you can't do a full squat with 230 on the bar, can't bend, cant run, can't do anything. And I lost it.... "HEY what in the world makes you think you can sit there and make some asinine delusional comment about how you are in anyway similar to Aubrey Solomon? Are you out of your mind?? Then I proceeded to pull up Solomons highlight tape show him visual evidence of how they are nothing alike, nothing at all. It was probably over the line but I got my point across and the kids thought it was entertaining. Haha that's funny. I had a kid a few years ago during spring running his mouth in class about how he was going to come out and be a lockdown corner. Literally talked about it from bell to bell about how he was better than the other corners, our receivers sucked and the offensive coaches were "trash". Needless to say he came out for a day and was about the most worthless 150 lbs of flesh in the county in 1s vs 1s with receivers. That segment was filmed and I showed clips of him getting posterized almost every rep to the class with him in it the next day. One of those things you don't want to go to drastic measures to teach someone to watch what they say, but sometimes you have no choice. LOL
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Post by 50slantstrong on May 12, 2017 9:20:54 GMT -6
The local newspaper has a video everyday on their website everyday that summarizes current national and local events. It's about 5-10 minutes long and seldom has bias so I think it's extremely applicable to show to my American Government classes.
I showed it to my class yesterday and for about the 30th consecutive day, a specific student made a smart ass comment about how the news is stupid and whined that the class shouldn't have to watch it. Ordinarily I roll my eyes at him or flat out ignore him, it is my belief he is attention deprived and I don't want to dignify his actions in front of an audience. However, I have recently been stressed out and am irritable. So when he made his stupid comments, I paused the video and told him in front of the class "if watching 10 minutes of the news is the worst part of your life, you have the best life of anyone I know", and proceeded to give him a bunch of return envelopes out of my desk from bills I owe, and gave him a quick lecture of how much baby formula, diapers, mortgages and gasoline cost, and to please swap places with me because I wish on my lucky stars watching the news for 10 minutes was the most stressful part of my life.
I normally don't fly off the handle like that and can count on one hand how many moments like that I've had in the classroom, but somebody needed to tell this kid how it is.
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Post by 50slantstrong on May 9, 2017 12:46:11 GMT -6
Word searches are the ultimate pacifier and are my go-to lesson for the sub. Expecting any serious rigor or critical thinking to take place with a sub is nothing short of setting the class up for failure...
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Post by 50slantstrong on May 9, 2017 11:32:11 GMT -6
1. Because Math, Science and English are a lot more complex, require more preparation and will require teachers to do study hall infinitely more than any high school level Social Studies or PE subject ever will. 2. SS isn't tested in California, nor is it tested on the SAT, whereas the aforementioned subjects all are. I have no idea where you are, but I've never heard of a public school teachers being fired over test scores. Reprimanded and switched assignment yes, fired no. 3. I agree I'll start with #3. You agree that veteran teachers coaches shouldn't be forced out if they don't want to (or can't) coach anymore but you also agree with doing exactly that. Maybe in California they don't test SS but they do here and people do get fired. If a guy has legitimate reasons why he can't do anything for the school besides teach Social Studies for 5 periods, then I don't see that as a problem.
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Post by 50slantstrong on May 9, 2017 10:49:30 GMT -6
I like it and completely agree. I know it's unrealistic but I also think they should go through a different tenure process for PE and social studies spots. No way someobody should teach either of those subjects who doesn't do extracurricular stuff for the school. 1. Why should people who teach those subjects be considered less important or professional than the Math, Science, or English teacher who doesn't do extracurriculars? 2. Social Studies is a tested subject in our state and your scores count for 35-50% of your evaluation, where "coaching" is just thing that factors into one box of many on the "professionalism" rubric that doesn't even really count. Social Studies teachers can and are canned over their test scores in those subjects all the time. PE teachers can technically be fired or denied/lose tenure for test scores in classes they don't even teach. 3. I don't think it's wise for schools to hire people who aren't willing to coach or contribute to extracurriculars in some way, especially in PE, but I also don't think people who have been there for decades should be forced out of their breadwinning job because they get burned out or don't have the time for coaching anymore due to changing circumstances. 1. Because Math, Science and English are a lot more complex, require more preparation and will require teachers to do study hall infinitely more than any high school level Social Studies or PE subject ever will. 2. SS isn't tested in California, nor is it tested on the SAT, whereas the aforementioned subjects all are. I have no idea where you are, but I've never heard of a public school teachers being fired over test scores. Reprimanded and switched assignment yes, fired no. 3. I agree
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Post by 50slantstrong on May 9, 2017 10:44:41 GMT -6
I'm assuming they should do something else besides teach (ASB, after school clubs, athletics, etc). All teachers or just PE/SS? What do you teach? PE/SS. I teach SS
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Post by 50slantstrong on May 9, 2017 10:26:07 GMT -6
I don't think my frustrations lay with coaches who get fired and keep their teaching jobs; they lay with administrators who hire PE and Social Science teachers who don't coach, or aren't involved with any activities at the school. Are you assuming that all SS teachers are or should be coaches? And, how long should a teacher coach before they're allowed to quit coaching and keep the teaching job? I'm assuming they should do something else besides teach (ASB, after school clubs, athletics, etc).
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Post by 50slantstrong on May 9, 2017 9:45:15 GMT -6
I don't think my frustrations lay with coaches who get fired and keep their teaching jobs; they lay with administrators who hire PE and Social Science teachers who don't coach, or aren't involved with any activities at the school.
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