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Post by tothehouse on Jul 15, 2017 22:20:08 GMT -6
There is an article going around about what Wisconsin coaches think of 7 on 7 and it's value. www.thenewstribune.com/sports/high-school/article161493228.htmlWhat is your take? I'm talking about the travel team stuff. Not you taking your team to games, etc. Do you think that one of your elite players playing 7 on 7 gives him a better chance at a scholarship? I'm hearing 7 on 7 guys say that their "program" puts kids in front of more coaches. Is that a valid argument? One thing that is not mentioned to often is that some kids are picking 7 on 7 over playing a winter/spring sport. Does that bother you? Kid could be helping out his high school, but instead is playing ball with unknown guys on the weekends. And what about injury concerns? Are injury concerns any different? If one of your football players got hurt in a school basketball game...would that be different than getting hurt in "competitive travel" 7 on 7? And the elephant in the room. Is it a money grab? I feel like a lot of players pay for the STUD athletes to get the looks and the fringe guys don't get much more than a skin tight shirt and long van rides. Which leads back to why a kid would do 7 on 7 if he's a big time scholarship guy anyway. Look at the college guys and bowl games. They are starting to skip them to not get hurt. If you're a scholy kind of guy...would you be taking the 7 on 7 tour? |
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Post by bigmoot on Jul 16, 2017 7:05:02 GMT -6
IMHO...anything that is not under our/school control is dangerous to our sport.
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Post by 50slantstrong on Jul 16, 2017 9:57:50 GMT -6
I coach at a mid sized public school in Southern California. I would say about 20-25 of our players are affiliated with a 7-7 club.
1. Yes at least in Southern California it does expose more kids to colleges. I hate passing league, especially the clubs but I know for a fact at least two PAC 12 and two Big 10 schools will send coaches to 7-7 events and talk to coaches without checking out spring football or talking to the kids' 11 man coaches. A certain defensive four star recruit in 2019 hasn't had a single college coach come to campus and ask about him but he has offers from four schools and he's at PL competitions pretty much every weekend from January through July. You do the math. I know he can't be the only one in this predicament.
2. Not from my experience do guys get hurt in passing league. Occasionally one will be a little tight from a competition and be rusty on Monday during spring but nothing ever serious or prolonged. Obviously this could vary.
3. Yes it's a money grab. One hundred percent. Every prominent passing league coach here in Southern California sells their program based on the scholarship players it's "produced". Parents being the gullible creatures that they are eat it up and give away money hand over fist thinking their five foot nothing, 100 lb soaking wet 6 flat 40 kid is going to become the next Calvin Johnson.
The biggest issue our program has with them is that they tell kids they're out of position. We had an all league defensive lineman whose mom insisted her boy was a wide receiver going into his senior season. We gave him his chance, he was slower than almost all of the varsity receivers, couldn't catch a cold, and couldn't pick up the offense as well as others. He got sent back to the DL after a few weeks (which is more than fair). Mom didn't like it and talked to his 7-7 coach. Coach told him we're the reason he won't get a scholarship. Kid ended up transferring to a school that went 1-9 and ran a wing-t and threw the ball less than 80 times all year. But he got to play receiver so it's okay. 😏
This was the most glaring example but we probably get two kids every year who leave because their passing league coach tells them they're out of position.
I'm of the belief that 7-7 clubs are toxic but if they were to be banned, the snake oil salesman who run them would resurface in other shapes and forms (remember when "recruiting services" and specialized trainers were all the rage?). Parents will continue to be ignorant and believe that there are shortcuts to being offered by major colleges. Tis the society we live in I suppose....
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Post by 3rdandlong on Jul 16, 2017 11:02:43 GMT -6
I coach at a mid sized public school in Southern California. I would say about 20-25 of our players are affiliated with a 7-7 club. 1. Yes at least in Southern California it does expose more kids to colleges. I hate passing league, especially the clubs but I know for a fact at least two PAC 12 and two Big 10 schools will send coaches to 7-7 events and talk to coaches without checking out spring football or talking to the kids' 11 man coaches. A certain defensive four star recruit in 2019 hasn't had a single college coach come to campus and ask about him but he has offers from four schools and he's at PL competitions pretty much every weekend from January through July. You do the math. I know he can't be the only one in this predicament. 2. Not from my experience do guys get hurt in passing league. Occasionally one will be a little tight from a competition and be rusty on Monday during spring but nothing ever serious or prolonged. Obviously this could vary. 3. Yes it's a money grab. One hundred percent. Every prominent passing league coach here in Southern California sells their program based on the scholarship players it's "produced". Parents being the gullible creatures that they are eat it up and give away money hand over fist thinking their five foot nothing, 100 lb soaking wet 6 flat 40 kid is going to become the next Calvin Johnson. The biggest issue our program has with them is that they tell kids they're out of position. We had an all league defensive lineman whose mom insisted her boy was a wide receiver going into his senior season. We gave him his chance, he was slower than almost all of the varsity receivers, couldn't catch a cold, and couldn't pick up the offense as well as others. He got sent back to the DL after a few weeks (which is more than fair). Mom didn't like it and talked to his 7-7 coach. Coach told him we're the reason he won't get a scholarship. Kid ended up transferring to a school that went 1-9 and ran a wing-t and threw the ball less than 80 times all year. But he got to play receiver so it's okay. 😏 This was the most glaring example but we probably get two kids every year who leave because their passing league coach tells them they're out of position. I'm of the belief that 7-7 clubs are toxic but if they were to be banned, the snake oil salesman who run them would resurface in other shapes and forms (remember when "recruiting services" and specialized trainers were all the rage?). Parents will continue to be ignorant and believe that there are shortcuts to being offered by major colleges. Tis the society we live in I suppose.... Not sure about other areas, but the ones here in Southern California are street pimps. Lots of them are doing it under the guise of helping kids. They will also not charge a kid if he is a top rated athlete just so they can use him as a poster boy. A lot of them were D1 football players themselves but didn't quite make it and didn't finish their degrees so it's the only thing they're capable of doing to make a living. And if there is a 7 on 7 coach who is on staff for a high school team then you can be sure that the school will have lots of transfers. |
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Post by 50slantstrong on Jul 16, 2017 11:48:15 GMT -6
I coach at a mid sized public school in Southern California. I would say about 20-25 of our players are affiliated with a 7-7 club. 1. Yes at least in Southern California it does expose more kids to colleges. I hate passing league, especially the clubs but I know for a fact at least two PAC 12 and two Big 10 schools will send coaches to 7-7 events and talk to coaches without checking out spring football or talking to the kids' 11 man coaches. A certain defensive four star recruit in 2019 hasn't had a single college coach come to campus and ask about him but he has offers from four schools and he's at PL competitions pretty much every weekend from January through July. You do the math. I know he can't be the only one in this predicament. 2. Not from my experience do guys get hurt in passing league. Occasionally one will be a little tight from a competition and be rusty on Monday during spring but nothing ever serious or prolonged. Obviously this could vary. 3. Yes it's a money grab. One hundred percent. Every prominent passing league coach here in Southern California sells their program based on the scholarship players it's "produced". Parents being the gullible creatures that they are eat it up and give away money hand over fist thinking their five foot nothing, 100 lb soaking wet 6 flat 40 kid is going to become the next Calvin Johnson. The biggest issue our program has with them is that they tell kids they're out of position. We had an all league defensive lineman whose mom insisted her boy was a wide receiver going into his senior season. We gave him his chance, he was slower than almost all of the varsity receivers, couldn't catch a cold, and couldn't pick up the offense as well as others. He got sent back to the DL after a few weeks (which is more than fair). Mom didn't like it and talked to his 7-7 coach. Coach told him we're the reason he won't get a scholarship. Kid ended up transferring to a school that went 1-9 and ran a wing-t and threw the ball less than 80 times all year. But he got to play receiver so it's okay. 😏 This was the most glaring example but we probably get two kids every year who leave because their passing league coach tells them they're out of position. I'm of the belief that 7-7 clubs are toxic but if they were to be banned, the snake oil salesman who run them would resurface in other shapes and forms (remember when "recruiting services" and specialized trainers were all the rage?). Parents will continue to be ignorant and believe that there are shortcuts to being offered by major colleges. Tis the society we live in I suppose.... Not sure about other areas, but the ones here in Southern California are street pimps. Lots of them are doing it under the guise of helping kids. They will also not charge a kid if he is a top rated athlete just so they can use him as a poster boy. A lot of them were D1 football players themselves but didn't quite make it and didn't finish their degrees so it's the only thing they're capable of doing to make a living. And if there is a 7 on 7 coach who is on staff for a high school team then you can be sure that the school will have lots of transfers. Ditto. I think you and I might be from the same neck of the woods. I've seen some of them try to use the fact that they were D1 or in some cases NFL players as a sell as well. As though having extraordinary physical gifts makes you a better teacher. Those guys kill me. But parents still adore them. |
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Post by dytmook on Jul 16, 2017 14:29:15 GMT -6
We don't have any of those around here, but passing outside the confines of your system isn't that great. I mean if you're covering in man, but in season you're a cover 3 team what good does it do?
If they kids aren't doing anything, great go throw and have fun. But 7 on 7 is great except everyone can be good until they get hit in the face.
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Post by Yash on Jul 19, 2017 14:27:20 GMT -6
I like our local high school team passing league run by d3 college in town. Our kids playing catch. I put 0 stock in winning, just want kids playing and thinking football. I don't want any of my kids playing on a travel 7 on 7 team ever. Money grab.
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Post by hunhdisciple on Jul 19, 2017 16:02:10 GMT -6
I usually enjoy 7v7 stuff. Not from a real football standpoint, but there's almost always something kind of crazy that happens.
I wasn't aware that there were travel teams until a year or two ago. I have never seen one in KY. I'm assuming it's basically the same as AAU basketball?
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