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Post by murph2120 on May 21, 2017 9:04:28 GMT -6
We got one kid playing AAU basketball that rode the bench for our school... Hard pressed to believe he gets minutes on the AAU Team... Has an opportunity to start for the football team but misses 7 on 7s for AAU basketball...
I hate AAU basketball.
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Post by realdawg on May 21, 2017 12:07:46 GMT -6
Same here. Gotta kid that about 5'7. Has a chance to start at corner for us. Misses spring practice Bc AAU practices are mandatory Bc there are scouts coming that night. Lol. That being said. We got more kids playing AAU than I can ever remember. I despise it.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 21, 2017 12:32:10 GMT -6
Can I ask in all seriousness...is it wrong that these two seem to like basketball more than football?
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Post by realdawg on May 21, 2017 12:41:41 GMT -6
No. It's not wrong to like bball more than football. To each his own. What's wrong is to lie or give false hope to kids that there are college coaches looking for 5'7 basketball players who didn't start in either sport for their high school the year before. Also in my opinion, it's wrong to miss something related to a school sport to attend something for a sport that is not related to your school. But that may just be the old school in me
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Post by coachd5085 on May 21, 2017 12:47:53 GMT -6
No. It's not wrong to like bball more than football. To each his own. What's wrong is to lie or give false hope to kids that there are college coaches looking for 5'7 basketball players who didn't start in either sport for their high school the year before. Also in my opinion, it's wrong to miss something related to a school sport to attend something for a sport that is not related to your school. But that may just be the old school in me I agree with the first statement, and if those players are choosing AAU basketball because they think they are going to get a scholarship...that is sad. If they are choosing AAU basketball because they would rather play basketball than football..so be it. |
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Post by fcboiler87 on May 21, 2017 12:54:58 GMT -6
We have a kid that isn't even on the school basketball team but is on an AAU team. He is 5'6 and not a good athlete whatsoever. He can't play on this team, or they must be pure garbage. But he's an AAU player and gets to brag about it. He probably wouldn't be eligible if he tried to play for the school. Guess they aren't eligibility requirements for AAU.
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Post by blb on May 21, 2017 13:28:33 GMT -6
Are these 5-6 and 5-7 kids going to play much Football if they dedicate their time to it instead of AAU Basketball?
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Post by realdawg on May 21, 2017 13:32:16 GMT -6
Ours could start at corner for us. Not a gimme but he's got a shot.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 21, 2017 13:51:12 GMT -6
We have a kid that isn't even on the school basketball team but is on an AAU team. He is 5'6 and not a good athlete whatsoever. He can't play on this team, or they must be pure garbage. But he's an AAU player and gets to brag about it. He probably wouldn't be eligible if he tried to play for the school. Guess they aren't eligibility requirements for AAU. OR... AAU is the outlet through which he is choosing to play a sport because he did not make the HS team or is not eligible for the HS team or whatever.... |
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Post by **** on May 21, 2017 14:07:11 GMT -6
If a kid wants to play basketball so be it.
What I hate about AAU and other club activities is that there are no regulations on any of it (at least here).
We have kids at the school till 11 pm doing drama or speech and debate chit all the time. It is insane.
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Post by dytmook on May 21, 2017 14:12:01 GMT -6
Ahh yes, you can't make the school team but you're going to pay stupid money to play AAU ball to fund other kids to play way more than you.
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Post by dytmook on May 21, 2017 14:12:34 GMT -6
double post. I don't like AAU again |
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Post by coachd5085 on May 21, 2017 14:14:24 GMT -6
Ahh yes, you can't make the school team but you're going to pay stupid money to play AAU ball to fund other kids to play way more than you. Serious question...how else would a 15/16 year old play basketball then? |
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Post by dytmook on May 21, 2017 14:19:11 GMT -6
Ahh yes, you can't make the school team but you're going to pay stupid money to play AAU ball to fund other kids to play way more than you. Serious question...how else would a 15/16 year old play basketball then? Pretty sure we have some rec leagues around here and pick up ball. I tend to be more bitter at our basketball coaches are very good at sharing players. |
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Post by bobgoodman on May 21, 2017 14:22:39 GMT -6
No. It's not wrong to like bball more than football. To each his own. What's wrong is to lie or give false hope to kids that there are college coaches looking for 5'7 basketball players who didn't start in either sport for their high school the year before. Also in my opinion, it's wrong to miss something related to a school sport to attend something for a sport that is not related to your school. But that may just be the old school in me School is just a means to an end. it seems to be historic accident that competitive sports wound up associated with schools at all, rather than being entirely a club activity indpendent of schools. How much of AAU basketball is about feeding false hope of the type you describe, as opposed to simply providing a way to play organized basketball here & now? At one time the AAU was the chief basketball organization in the world. The YMCA developed it, but the AAU turned it into more of a competitive sport for traveling teams; the colleges came to varsity basketball relatively late. But the AAU was the chief governing body for amateur athletics in general in the USA well before that. Since then they've been squeezed out by the USOC and the NCAA, among others, and you're seeing the niche they've moved into that had been left unfilled. |
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Post by coachd5085 on May 21, 2017 14:23:37 GMT -6
Serious question...how else would a 15/16 year old play basketball then? Pretty sure we have some rec leagues around here and pick up ball. I tend to be more bitter at our basketball coaches are very good at sharing players. And if they don't have rec leagues that service 16 year olds? |
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Post by coachd5085 on May 21, 2017 14:24:32 GMT -6
No. It's not wrong to like bball more than football. To each his own. What's wrong is to lie or give false hope to kids that there are college coaches looking for 5'7 basketball players who didn't start in either sport for their high school the year before. Also in my opinion, it's wrong to miss something related to a school sport to attend something for a sport that is not related to your school. But that may just be the old school in me School is just a means to an end. it seems to be historic accident that competitive sports wound up associated with schools at all, rather than being entirely a club activity indpendent of schools. How much of AAU basketball is about feeding false hope of the type you describe, as opposed to simply providing a way to play organized basketball here & now? At one time the AAU was the chief basketball organization in the world. The YMCA developed it, but the AAU turned it into more of a competitive sport for traveling teams; the colleges came to varsity basketball relatively late. But the AAU was the chief governing body for amateur athletics in general in the USA well before that. Since then they've been squeezed out by the USOC and the NCAA, among others, and you're seeing the niche they've moved into that had been left unfilled. Bob..this may be the best post you have ever written here. |
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Post by blb on May 21, 2017 14:27:38 GMT -6
Ahh yes, you can't make the school team but you're going to pay stupid money to play AAU ball to fund other kids to play way more than you. Serious question...how else would a 15/16 year old play basketball then?
Church league...YMCA...Intramurals?
Get up a game at local playground or on somebody's driveway with a basket?
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Post by mdunham on May 21, 2017 14:27:54 GMT -6
As a basketball coach I hate AAU
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Post by coachd5085 on May 21, 2017 14:31:46 GMT -6
Serious question...how else would a 15/16 year old play basketball then?
Church league...YMCA...Intramurals?
Get up a game at local playground or on somebody's driveway with a basket?
In my town, there is no YMCA and no Intramural in any of the public schools (or private schools for that matter). I give you those are viable options though. Just not necessarily accessible to all. Your second question though, that is like saying throwing the ball in the front yard is the same as being on a football team. |
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Post by coachfloyd on May 21, 2017 14:34:32 GMT -6
For the guys who aren't railing against it on this thread...you obviously haven't seen the AAU racket around here. Terrible players paying an exorbitant amount of money to shady characters when they can't outshoot me. And I did outshoot one one day just to prove it.
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Post by blb on May 21, 2017 14:36:50 GMT -6
Church league...YMCA...Intramurals?
Get up a game at local playground or on somebody's driveway with a basket?
In my town, there is no YMCA and no Intramural in any of the public schools (or private schools for that matter). I give you those are viable options though. Just not necessarily accessible to all. Your second question though, that is like saying throwing the ball in the front yard is the same as being on a football team.
If you're 15/16 and haven't made your HS basketball team you probably don't have a future in that sport.
Want to keep playing hoops? Find other ways.
And then something that not only interests you but you're good at.
Happens to all of us at some point in our lives.
I thought I was going to play MLB until I realized even though I could throw as hard as anybody danm ball wouldn't always go where I wanted it to, and when they started throwing Curveballs, I couldn't hit water from a boat with an oar.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 21, 2017 14:38:37 GMT -6
In my town, there is no YMCA and no Intramural in any of the public schools (or private schools for that matter). I give you those are viable options though. Just not necessarily accessible to all. Your second question though, that is like saying throwing the ball in the front yard is the same as being on a football team.
If you're 15/16 and haven't made your HS basketball team you probably don't have a future in that sport.
Want to keep playing hoops? Find other ways.
And then something that not only interests you but you're good at.
Happens to all of us at some point in our lives.
Wouldn't AAU basketball be another way? Must there be a "future" in a sport? Can't one just enjoy playing it, but playing it in an organized manner? |
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Post by bobgoodman on May 21, 2017 14:41:52 GMT -6
Serious question...how else would a 15/16 year old play basketball then?
Church league...YMCA...Intramurals?
Get up a game at local playground or on somebody's driveway with a basket?
Then why aren't all team sports played like that? They could say the same of football; it wouldn't work pickup style, but it could be organized by the YMCA or a church. There's something to the experience of playing on a team that stays together for at least a season and goes out to play other teams similarly organized, maybe at a distance, rather than seeing the same faces playing against you all the time. 2010-16 I coached football in a draft league where almost all the games were played on the same field, and a season was double or sometimes triple round robin. There's a certain interest in being able to get a second shot at an opponent in a season, as well as mixing up the rosters so you wind up playing on the same team as some of your previous season opponents, and the coaching staffs get redealt too; but it also gets monotonous, expecially when it gets down to triple round robin or a playoff against a team you've already played twice in recent months. Why shouldn't a player who may be of much less than average ability at a sport -- but who likes it a lot -- still have an opportunity to be part of the travel team experience? |
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Post by blb on May 21, 2017 14:45:31 GMT -6
Wouldn't AAU basketball be another way? Must there be a "future" in a sport? Can't one just enjoy playing it, but playing it in an organized manner?
Your point is well-taken but I think point of thread is AAU basketball is taking money from kids-parents in the false hope that it will help them further their "careers" somehow - even if it's only making local HS team - not just allowing them an outlet to play the game "in an organized manner."
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Post by bobgoodman on May 21, 2017 14:47:53 GMT -6
For the guys who aren't railing against it on this thread...you obviously haven't seen the AAU racket around here. Terrible players paying an exorbitant amount of money to shady characters when they can't outshoot me. And I did outshoot one one day just to prove it. No, but I've read a description of that racket. So you outshot that player. Does that mean you get to play on a travel team? I think you'd have to pay just like everyone else. |
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Post by bobgoodman on May 21, 2017 15:01:21 GMT -6
In my town, there is no YMCA and no Intramural in any of the public schools (or private schools for that matter). I give you those are viable options though. Just not necessarily accessible to all. Your second question though, that is like saying throwing the ball in the front yard is the same as being on a football team.
If you're 15/16 and haven't made your HS basketball team you probably don't have a future in that sport.
Want to keep playing hoops? Find other ways.
And then something that not only interests you but you're good at.
Happens to all of us at some point in our lives.
I thought I was going to play MLB until I realized even though I could throw as hard as anybody danm ball wouldn't always go where I wanted it to, and when they started throwing Curveballs, I couldn't hit water from a boat with an oar.
But did you like baseball? Do you still like it? That's one of the things wrong in the world: that we "let" only children publicly do things they're not good at -- like sing, paint, etc. At least now there's the Internet so even the worst writers can publish. I'm your basic non-athlete, always have been. But I like games, and I've enjoyed many in which I've had rings run around me. I'm different from most people in that I don't get embarrased easily, and I don't think I have to be good at, or have any aspiration to get even up to mediocre at, the things I enjoy. I wish there were more people like me around. I got up to an chess rating of A in the USCF, but then I stopped playing serious (and practically all) chess. The better I got, the less fun it was, and I realized that the only thing that might keep it interesting would be to keep trying to get better, and the concentration involved was just too boring. Even watching many sports gets boring when the competitors are too good, as in bowling or tennis. |
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Post by blb on May 21, 2017 15:14:46 GMT -6
I'm not sure what your point is bobgoodman , but yes I liked Baseball - enough that I coached LL and Connie Mack a little, umpired it at HS, college, and Semi-Pro levels for several years. I watch Tigers on TV or listen to them on radio. Used to watch Yankees any time they were on because Derek Jeter was from my HS - he made them forget about me there (hah) - so yes I still like it. My talents-interests took me in another direction personally-professionally. And this isn't about my life history or yours. |
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Post by blb on May 21, 2017 15:23:39 GMT -6
Perhaps we should take all athletics-extra curriculars (including Fine Arts) out of schools like they do in Europe, Russia, Asia and make "clubs" or organizations like AAU into havens for kids who show extraordinary aptitude at an early age and make them specialize.
And do the same academically with the other kids. Some get ready for four-year colleges and beyond, others start vocational training as early as possible.
Used to be called "tracking."
Not sure that's not where youth sports in America is headed anyway.
With the possible exception of American Football, since it's not a global-Olympic sport.
And most schools don't cut kids who want to participate in it, even if they are not scholarship-worthy.
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Post by blb on May 21, 2017 15:41:46 GMT -6
Getting back to AAU - I coached at a school that was a state power in Volleyball (not Basketball but there are similarities, in fact in our state it used to be a Winter sport for girls.)
We would win the state HS championship on a Saturday in March and the coach (who at the time I was related to by marriage) would tell the girls AAU practice started the next day (Sunday).
He strongly implied if they didn't play AAU their chances of making the team would be diminished, and thus the prospect of a college scholarship which several girls from our school had gotten.
So the best female athletes in our school would not play Softball or run Track because they were playing AAU Volleyball in the Spring, lest they lose the chance to save Mommy and Daddy several thousands of dollars a year in tuition.
Until one year the best athlete in the school (she could've been our QB) told him sorry, she was going to play Softball AND run Track because she wanted to, knew there was no way he was going to cut her from the team, and she was going to get a scholly in either Basketball or V-ball if she played AAU or not.
Which she did.
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