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Post by natenator on Mar 29, 2017 11:00:32 GMT -6
Are people including their JOBS into these figures? Unless your JOB is as a football coach then why would it be included in their hour totals?
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Post by natenator on Mar 29, 2017 10:17:52 GMT -6
45 minutes over 3 games. So I only need to save 15 on each game. I could also cut out pass result, gain, penalty, series end, quarter. Minus the pass result/penalty the other is already done for us. Unless you get Ottawa game video lmao
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Post by natenator on Mar 29, 2017 10:16:29 GMT -6
If you have 13 football coaches on staff for a school the size of 700 kids then what the hell are you doing that takes 90-95/hours week in-season and 55-60/hours offseason. We don't waste a minute. If we are at the office we are working. If we are not working, we are not going to be at the office. We have 2 district opponents that are 3 hours away, and a non-district game that is 3.5 hours and another that is 6 hours. I am at school from 7:00am to 8:30 Monday through Weds. We all coach our sub-varsity teams on Thursday, and if they are on the road it makes for a 16 to 18 hour day. Friday is anywhere from a 17 to 20 hour day depending on where we are playing. Our home games end around 10:00, and by the time we get the kids out, we are gone by 11:30. If we have a road game we might not be back until 2 or 3 am. If our travel was less we could cut some time down. We work from 7am to 1pm on Saturday and 2pm until 6pm Sunday. Saturday we grade film, do laundry, watch film with our players, and watch the most recent game of our next opponent. Sunday we prepare our game plan, practice schedules, and scripts. We meet as a staff to go over personnel. Then we each work on our own piece of the game plan. We then come back together to put the plan in place. We are busy the entire time. The minute we are not busy it is time to go. Everyone has a role to play. We divide up jobs. But we have to make sure we are prepared for Friday night. Everyone we play has talent. We have athletes, but if we aren't prepared we will not be able to meet the expectations we have for our program. We have a couple of Saturdays where we don't bring the kids in if we get back very late. We may shorten our Saturday. We had a game last year where we got back at 4am. We worked from home that Saturday. We will have anywhere from 120 to 140 kids in the program, and as many as four teams playing each week. (2 frosh, 1 JV, and Varsity). We have to prepare all of the logistics for travel, game and practice plans, and depth charts for each of these teams. We are not at the office to say we are at the office and we don't punch a clock. But there is no shortcut to preparation. If we get done early, we leave. Can you explain how offseason is 55-60 hours a week then? What exactly is there to do that takes roughly 780 coach man hours each week? No games No practices No travel to/from games No film to breakdown Limited meetings No laundry No game day activities/cleanup No weekly game planning Etc Etc Etc I'm very curious what takes 13 coaches, 780 man hours in the offseason.
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Post by natenator on Mar 29, 2017 9:50:40 GMT -6
Ok lemme try. 7 hours go to practice 3 hours in positional meetings - 10 that's enough to go over the gameplan day 1, and then do practice review and review parts of the game plan on the other days 1 hour in full group meeting - 11 That leaves me 4 hours to plan. I need three games broken down. It takes about 45 minutes to prescout and 45 minutes to break down, so that won't work. I can cut out certain fields like hash and simplify my breakdown, get it down to about 1 hour each. That leaves me one hour to gameplan. If I don't change much week to week it's possible but tough. That's 15 but I need to be really organized. And who's importing practice film? And who's planning practice? Who's drawing cards? So to fit the 15 hour timeframe I need to keep cards to a basic set. That'll take one hour to draw. Planning practice and scripting is maybe thirty minutes each day, so two hours a week. Now we're at 18. Dealing with film in the tech side is three hours a week, so 19. I need to steal back four hours. I can maybe claw back one hour from positional meetings, and half an hour from the O/D meeting. If things are consistently organized I can save an hour dealing with film. If I keep a library of stock cards I can save another half hour. So I'm now at 16 hours but I don't see where to cut without hurting myself. Now, if I could delegate some stuff to quality staff... HASH is going to save you 45 minutes? {censored} its like 3 minutes to get hash done for a game. Certain fields LIKE hash. Not just hash.
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Post by natenator on Mar 29, 2017 7:08:23 GMT -6
In the winter and spring I put in about 55 to 60 hours a week and during the season about 90 to 95 hours a week. I spent 8 years at the HS level up north and we worked about the same number of hours. We are always trying to be efficient with our time, but the work must get done. To respond to your Texas comment, I moved to Texas about 10 years ago. There are great coaches everywhere. There are also bad coaches everywhere. The coach in the video is actually from Massachusetts I believe, and moved to Texas. The difference in Texas is support of programs and how they are valued. In Texas the facilities at the vast majority of places are top-notch. The programs have sustainable budgets that allow you to purchase a lot of new equipment every year. All coaches work in the building, and there are a lot of them. I am at a school of 700 right now and we have 13 football coaches. Nearly everyone has an athletic period with all of your kids, everyday. It isn't weight training, it is football and your entire team is in there. With all of his support comes a price. That price is job security. Every school expects to win. If you don't win you can be fired, and the new coach can often let coaches go if he has someone else he wants to bring in. Our contracts are dual contracts, so if we get non-renewed as a coach, we are on-renewed as a teacher. The game is the same, the kids are the same. There are great coaches everywhere and great programs everywhere. The big difference is support and importance within the school and community. There are schools up north that have that support, but down here that support is nearly everywhere. If you have 13 football coaches on staff for a school the size of 700 kids then what the hell are you doing that takes 90-95/hours week in-season and 55-60/hours offseason.
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Post by natenator on Mar 21, 2017 8:44:04 GMT -6
I feel bad for the coach having to use a hot dog bun. I'm glad I can only do this with a sausage bun
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Post by natenator on Mar 20, 2017 7:50:43 GMT -6
Does anyone here do one for their home games?
Looking to do one for our club travel team mainly as a way to solicit advertisers.
We don't get a huge amount of people to our games, around 500-700 over the course of a day bit maybe it is enough to encourage advertisers outside of existing sponsors.
Wondering what you guys put in your game day program if you have one.
Thanks!
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Post by natenator on Mar 16, 2017 18:35:19 GMT -6
I suppose it doesn't hurt that Bill Belichick's team plays the Buffalo Bills, Miami Dolphins and NY Jets twice a year, comprising 1/2 of their schedule doesn't hurt, eh? How does 6 games equal half their schedule?
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Post by natenator on Mar 13, 2017 20:26:16 GMT -6
You're doing alright as a coach if this is your biggest issue lol
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Post by natenator on Mar 7, 2017 12:00:24 GMT -6
Brophy - no, nothing real. That was just me making a personal comment on the hysteria that I see here these days. This is exactly what's not needed. Trivializing concerns isn't going to help our cause nor change the opinion of anyone that feels football leads to higher rates of TBI compared to other sports.
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Post by natenator on Feb 25, 2017 7:31:19 GMT -6
former pats gm said recently that when they picked that goalline pass againt the seahawks to win it a couple years ago, that Belichick had been working the goalline 3 cb defense. They had worked it every week of the season and never used it. Then they used it against the seahawks and he did not call timeout so that the seahawks did not have a chance to adjust. Then Butler I think gets the pick, said that the coaches had ingrained in him that if you get that look, this is what they are gonna do, and he knew the play and picked it. Bottom line is they outwork everybody else. They meet endlessly and go over every possible scenario, think 3rd qtr with backup qb on their 41 with 3rd and 7. They have already coached the game and are never caught off guard. That is awesome and I respect that, but I played TMNT uno with my two little boys and wife tonight and they can have their 5 super bowl trophies. I am husband and dad first! Turned down chance to ga at D1 college about 16 years ago b/c I knew several of the coaches and the strained relationships they had with their families. Not saying that it can't be done or some don't do it, but the odds are stacked against you in big time college and pro football. Who lies on their deathbed and celebrates football wins alone b/c their wife and children have left them? Not this dude. Maybe too much philosophy tonight from two good scotches! Good is the enemy of great.
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Post by natenator on Feb 24, 2017 17:28:59 GMT -6
Anyone have some research that may provide some evidence to suggest that dynamic warm-ups are not that useful?
I want to remove that time from our practice plans as a dedicated activity. I firmly believe that a special teams type circuit at the beginning of practice would provide similar effects, be useful, and create more efficiency for a team, like us, that are already time strapped.
Convincing certain people in our organization to do away with them is needed though and research may help that.
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Post by natenator on Feb 15, 2017 22:48:59 GMT -6
How about construction safety vests?
Scout players are basically like pylons anyway so may as well look the part too.
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Post by natenator on Feb 12, 2017 22:08:28 GMT -6
For my summer team that starts games the 3rd week in May I will do classroom install followed by gym walk-thru.
We only practice 2 (stretch is 3) times a week and the first month of our preseason (we start 8 weeks before our first game) we have to use indoor dome fields which cost $180/hr. Having kids starting around and doing install walk-thru is very expensive. I'd rather use a school classroom and gum time to install and walk-thru and save the field stuff for things that require an actual field.
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Post by natenator on Jan 18, 2017 9:28:27 GMT -6
Had my QB bawling his eyes to my during halftime of a game. He was upset because I yelled at him to shut his mouth during the game.
He was shouting to the sidelines/me that he couldn't do anything (due to our poor offensive line). Knowing that our kids knew he was talking about them I told him to shut his mouth.
He was quite upset with me that I would speak to him in such a manner. I asked him how it felt for me to do to him what he had done all season. He didn't get it
Irony lol
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Post by natenator on Jan 14, 2017 21:33:12 GMT -6
larrymoe, I get what you are saying but saved may be a better word. With the concussion scare in America today, basketball on the gridiron is a way to preserve the sport in some peoples eyes. You know, there is a pretty good argument that "spread" is what has caused the rise in concussions. Because of wide outs being left out to dry, blind sides on qbs. Not to mention The defensive players applying the hits What led to all the dead football players with CTE? Was that the spread offense as well?
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Post by natenator on Jan 13, 2017 21:39:22 GMT -6
Several years ago, I attended a coaching clinic with some buddies. Joker Phillips was speaking, as he was the HC at Kentucky at the time, so we decided to go and check out what he was doing. At the meeting, he was showing how they were blocking zone away from trips. He drew up several instances with 2-high safeties and a stacked LB on the weak side, with the tackle and the guard combo-ing up from the DE to the LB. I asked him how they would handle it if they got 1-high safety and a force player to the weak side. His response was THEY DON'T SEE THAT! I immediately got up and left the meeting with my pals. I'd like to take this opportunity to vent a bit, after one of my buddies who was there brought it up today. Am I crazy? Am I wrong to think that it's an uncommon look? As a HS coach, I rarely see an edge without a force player. Actually, after 10 years as an OC and 10 more years as an assistant, I've only faced it a handful of times. Also, he was coaching in the SEC. They see EVERYTHING. I can't tell you how much it chapped my butt to have this guy act like I was crazy to suggest that they might have a force player rather than a stack away from trips. What'd I miss? You came on here to ask if you were justified in leaving a meeting over what some coach said and it happened several years ago?? Those are some really big worries eh? /sarcasm
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Post by natenator on Jan 9, 2017 15:04:02 GMT -6
Loooking to get ideas on what coaches would include If they were going to create a spirit pack to give out as a recruiting package to kids at different events and meetings as a way of fostering goodwill with players and trying to encourage them to join the football team/program/club?
Cost is always a factor for these things so I'm thinking the cost of the pack to be $12.50 to $15.00.
Obvious thoughts are hat, tshirt, shorts.
Thanks! Cheers
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Post by natenator on Dec 23, 2016 6:48:15 GMT -6
For copyright purposes I'm not able to post the entire study so the abstract will have to do... online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/neu.2015.4267"The purpose of this study was to determine whether the effects of cumulative head impacts during a season of high school football produce changes in diffusional kurtosis imaging (DKI) metrics in the absence of clinically diagnosed concussion. Subjects were recruited from a high school football team and were outfitted with the Head Impact Telemetry System (HITS) during all practices and games. Biomechanical head impact exposure metrics were calculated, including: total impacts, summed acceleration, and Risk Weighted Cumulative Exposure (RWE). Twenty-four players completed pre- and post-season magnetic resonance imaging, including DKI; players who experienced clinical concussion were excluded. Fourteen subjects completed pre- and post-season Immediate Post-Concussion Assessment and Cognitive Testing (ImPACT). DKI-derived metrics included mean kurtosis (MK), axial kurtosis (K axial), and radial kurtosis (K radial), and white matter modeling (WMM) parameters included axonal water fraction, tortuosity of the extra-axonal space, extra-axonal diffusivity (De axial and radial), and intra-axonal diffusivity (Da). These metrics were used to determine the total number of abnormal voxels, defined as 2 standard deviations above or below the group mean. Linear regression analysis revealed a statistically significant relationship between RWE combined probability (RWECP) and MK. Secondary analysis of other DKI-derived and WMM metrics demonstrated statistically significant linear relationships with RWECP after covariate adjustment. These results were compared with the results of DTI-derived metrics from the same imaging sessions in this exact same cohort. Several of the DKI-derived scalars (Da, MK, K axial, and K radial) explained more variance, compared with RWECP, suggesting that DKI may be more sensitive to subconcussive head impacts. No significant relationships between DKI-derived metrics and ImPACT measures were found. It is important to note that the pathological implications of these metrics are not well understood. In summary, we demonstrate a single season of high school football can produce DKI measurable changes in the absence of clinically diagnosed concussion."
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Post by natenator on Dec 22, 2016 9:32:53 GMT -6
It should be pointed out that both these guys are underclassmen. There are typically about 75-100 underclassmen declaring each year. (Last year there were 98 and only 62 got chosen, but that is a subject for another thread). In theory, these underclassmen are people who are so elite at their jobs that they are able to outperform all others. We aren't talking about a large selection of the population. If the 3rd string Jr defensive tackle from Tuskegee sits out a bowl game, it would be thought of as ridiculous. The only reason these two guys are on the radar is because they are the best human beings alive at running the football that are not currently employed by an NFL team. And no one would have known they possess this skill set if not for the opportunity that college football provided them.
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Post by natenator on Dec 22, 2016 7:25:30 GMT -6
Do they owe anything to the college that totally paid for their education? Just a question attack dogs. If anything, the colleges owe them. Both of those guys have more than earned whatever value their education was worth. One could argue that the value of their "education" is about to be defined by their earning potential in the NFL, not what some college gave them in scholarships to play FOOTBALL (calling them a student is laughable). By that context I say they owe their college money for without the college opportunity they wouldn't be worth 1/16th of earning potential.
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Post by natenator on Dec 21, 2016 11:06:08 GMT -6
I am not a teacher. I coach club (travel) ball in Canada and in the past two years have been able to make my schedule work to coach high school. I have coached with the same club here the past 6 years. 3 years before that I was in another city coaching but moved back where I am now I be closer to family with health care needs. I've had plenty of opportunities to quit this club for greener pastures as the organization itself has been pretty dysfunctional but I am not quitting on kids for greener pastures. I coach because I'd be dead or in jail if it wasn't for coaches volunteering their time when I was growing up. I also don't make a dime from HS or club coaching. I'm not entirely sure what your point is with your question? Who said anything about quitting? I said I coach players to play for their brothers, not their coaches. You aren't arguing that McCaffrey and Fournette are quitting on their teammates by not playing in the bowl games? I simply posted the thread to see what coaches thought of their actions and get some discussion going. I haven't made any judgments on whether I personally feel what they did was right or wrong.
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Post by natenator on Dec 21, 2016 11:01:12 GMT -6
I talk about it non-stop with my players. Every week I ask players if they can look their teammates in the eye knowing they gave them all that they had. I repeat every week that they are playing for the guy beside, in front and behind them not us coaches on the sidelines. These are teachable moments for me to try and instill a sense of team above self concepts. Players are the ones that have to play therefore they are who need to believe in each other. Have you coached at the same school for your entire career? If not, did you quit on your players by taking a new job? I am not a teacher. I coach club (travel) ball in Canada and in the past two years have been able to make my schedule work to coach high school. I have coached with the same club here the past 6 years. 3 years before that I was in another city coaching but moved back where I am now I be closer to family with health care needs. I've had plenty of opportunities to quit this club for greener pastures as the organization itself has been pretty dysfunctional but I am not quitting on kids for greener pastures. I coach because I'd be dead or in jail if it wasn't for coaches volunteering their time when I was growing up. I also don't make a dime from HS or club coaching. I'm not entirely sure what your point is with your question? Who said anything about quitting? I said I coach players to play for their brothers, not their coaches.
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Post by natenator on Dec 20, 2016 22:12:17 GMT -6
I don't know about anyone else but I coach my players to play for their brothers, not coaches. How do you "coach" that, exactly? I talk about it non-stop with my players. Every week I ask players if they can look their teammates in the eye knowing they gave them all that they had. I repeat every week that they are playing for the guy beside, in front and behind them not us coaches on the sidelines. These are teachable moments for me to try and instill a sense of team above self concepts. Players are the ones that have to play therefore they are who need to believe in each other.
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Post by natenator on Dec 20, 2016 21:44:37 GMT -6
I guess that is where we disagree. Wow... that is really surprising. I mean, if we are in a place where playing a sport is considered doing the coach a favor, I just don't know. I don't know about anyone else but I coach my players to play for their brothers, not coaches.
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Post by natenator on Dec 19, 2016 21:05:55 GMT -6
Jaylon Smith lost something like 20-22 million when he destroyed his knee in a bowl game. At that point, a lot of the higher ideals about sport go out the window. That's a chance to make a significant impact on your families future, potentially for generations to come. A few years back my friend ended up coaching in a similar situation at the HS level. He could have blown it out in the game before the bowl, or second last game before the bowl. Coulda, woulda, shoulda. Jaylon Smith is a weak argument.
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Post by natenator on Dec 19, 2016 17:38:20 GMT -6
So Christian McCaffrey and Leonard Fournette have decided to opt out of their bowl games to begin prep for the draft and avoid unnecessary injury risk.
As coaches, what do you think about this? What kind of message, if any, does this send to HS players?
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Post by natenator on Dec 16, 2016 8:18:13 GMT -6
I was thinking about the same thing, but not so intensive. More like "if you see something interesting that could work in our scheme, draw it up and we'll talk about it in January. Try to bring 3 or 4 plays and we can look at putting them in for Spring Ball." Asking the inmates for input on how to run the asylum?
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Post by natenator on Dec 15, 2016 14:35:18 GMT -6
Why not let the kids enjoy being fans of the game instead of turning football into a homework/job/school project?
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Post by natenator on Dec 14, 2016 21:00:49 GMT -6
Says that he hears we're going to white facemasks and is that true? Yep, there is the purple helmet with the white facemask that we will be going to next season. Says great, his dad is going to buy him a new helmet (because obviously ours aren't good enough) and he wanted to make sure he gets the right helmet. Then proceeds to tell me that dad is trying to put together a fundraiser to buy the team 20 new helmets. Gosh, that seams a bit odd to me. Then goes further and says that dad is looking to get the new double-wall Vicis helmets. Uh, ok, are you sure about that? I ask in a somewhat stunned manner. Player says yep, he's been in contact with them, only a few select schools will have access to them next year, he's pretty sure that they can allocate 20 of these $1,500 helmets to our program next year. Now, I'm all for parents helping out, raising funds, looking after their kids. But, wouldn't you think the dad would want to include the head coach in this kind of decision? I'm not setup to have these helmets in my inventory, kid says that each on is a custom fit to the individual player, I don't have tools, I don't have anything for these. I don't have room for them. Everyone and their brother has the key to the sports equipment room. A frigging sophomore showed me last year how jiggling the door handle will open the door. <sigh> I guess I'll see how this plays out. I wouldn't take them. Imagine a kid ending up with a concussion wearing the regular helmets but no kids have concussions with the newer, more expensive helmet. This is a hornets nest of liability issues.
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