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Post by hsrose on Mar 1, 2017 18:31:30 GMT -6
Ok, this is going to take an hour to watch and there is a lot of technical stuff, but I think it will help with the concussion issues we all face today.
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Post by CS on Mar 1, 2017 19:03:12 GMT -6
Ok, this is going to take an hour to watch and there is a lot of technical stuff, but I think it will help with the concussion issues we all face today. Did you watch it? How about a quick summary?
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 1, 2017 19:09:05 GMT -6
Does it only discuss concussions? I honestly don't think THAT is the most pressing issue, but rather the accumulation of sub concussive blows. You can get a concussion from nearly any sport--but football, along with boxing and to some degree MMA feature a great deal more brain rattling incidents than others.
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Post by hsrose on Mar 1, 2017 21:35:39 GMT -6
I'll try to summarize. CTE, the Big Bad Thing that results, as we all know today, from a single concussion, is a pathological thing, meaning it is a physical condition of the brain neurons and most often does not manifest symptoms. You can't be diagnosed with CTE until you are gone. I'm trying to remember but I think she said that something like 55% of the total population would exhibit CTE in a post-mortem study. Based on brain studies by Germans using brain tissue from a couple of hundred years old there is no real difference between then and now. So, blaming CTE on football is specious and is the result of faulty studies. Dementia, the physical manifestation of brain degradation, has not been linked to football, or brain injuries, but to life style, including sedentary lifestyle and high blood pressure. The incidence of dementia is no higher/lower for football players, but the studies tend to 'ask for people that played football and are feeling sick', not the full population. She uses numbers and study analysis to refute those other studies. Bottom line - She does not see a quantifiable/scientifically proven connection between youth and high school football and dementia and/or CTE. Brain injuries, and she goes into the types of injuries and possible links to dementia, are very bad and need to be treated. But football is not the cause - it is her position that the hysteria is the result of scientists and companies running faulty studies that prove the hypothesis they are trying to prove. Brain injuries, BAD; Football, not the cause. She lets her son play football. She knows the risks and the rewards, and then goes into the rewards. Says that kids that can't play other sports can play football, cardio, asthma, etc. are workable within the way football works. Obese kids can play. Says that the biggest health risk is youth obesity because it leads to adult obesity which leads to high blood pressure and dementia. Says that in her brain injury/neurosurgeon industry the more the person knows about brain injuries the more inclined they are let their children play football, they can make an intelligent decision about the risks and rewards. Another track she had was that football is a group risk activity. You are taking risks and you have to know what the capabilities of the players around you in order for you to be successful. She did a informal survey of heads of brain medical departments and found that (again, from my failing memory) 27% of some neurosurgery department heads played football, and that 7% played in college. Said that 0.7% of all college students play college football so for the %'s to be so different she associates that to the group risk training/exposure they got playing football. Said that that position is a risk taking position in a group environment. There are lots and lots of things in there guys, you really need to take an hour, get a notepad, and watch it. It's hard, she does a great job of presenting things, but there are lots of numbers and technical terms. But it's worth it. Her profile is here - www.neurosurgery.umn.edu/bio/neurosurgery-faculty/uzma-samadaniAn article published about her - www.startribune.com/despite-rising-concerns-over-concussions-this-doctor-prescribes-football/391551251/
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Post by utchuckd on Mar 2, 2017 9:18:12 GMT -6
Just watched it. Great info on the problems with studies and how they are reported. Also good description of CTE and its history.
Everybody needs to watch this.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Mar 2, 2017 9:42:42 GMT -6
Watched it last night, I'd agree it's worth the hour for sure. Interesting information about CTE and what that really means for sure.
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Post by hsrose on Mar 2, 2017 10:19:06 GMT -6
Ok, I went back and watched it again and have some times where things are said that are possibly of interest. Now, don't do the sound-bite thing here, you have to listen to this and really get into it.
01:55 - Insurance, liability coverage for football, will be demise of football, not football itself. 03:20 - Being on a playground, as a youth, is as dangerous as playing football.
04:34 - Biggest causes for brain injuries - accidents (cars, snowmobiles, ATV's, vehicles), homicide, suicide. Says that 11 teenagers die every day from texting and driving. 05:30 - Starts talking about concussion and types of damage and such. 12:20 - There is a higher probability of suicide within 9 years once you have a brain injury. As kids stop playing sports the suicide rate is increasing. Would expect that football players would have a higher rate of suicide but they don't, they are fitter, have better social networks, more friends... 14:58 - Increased sports participation decreases suicide risk.
16:37 - The media are reporting/implying that a connection has been directly linked from concussions (football) to dementia (alzheimer's disease). Biggest factor for dementia is sedentary life style which leads to high blood pressure. 17:33 - Football has not been proven to be a risk factor for dementia.
18:30 - Starts the CTE discussion. 20:50 - No clinical description for CTE, it is something that is found under the microscope, you can have CTE and never show any symptoms at all. You cannot be diagnosed with CTE based on your symptoms. 23:48 - CTE is present in normal folks and in dementia patients. Changes in the brain (CTE) does not mean symptoms (dementia) 26:37 - Does football cause dementia? No, it does not by itself. Football is not a causal factor for developing dementia. There is no compelling evidence that football is related to dementia.
28:15 - Why the media obsession with football/concussion/dementia? Scientists have to justify their research (grants) and companies are looking for profit.
40:30 - Starts a discussion on her workplace and the number of football players in high positions, doctors that let their kids play, that kind of thing.
Overall - Brain injuries are bad, regardless of how they occur. Football does not have a direct link to causing dementia. Treat the injuries - change tackling, reduce hitting, get the kids out of the game.
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Post by coacht65 on Mar 6, 2017 22:26:53 GMT -6
hsrose Thanks for posting this video. Really good stuff, and I absolutely recommend folks watch it. Here is the powerpoint that goes with the video. Very helpful to scroll through it while watching the presentation. Dr. Uzma Samadani: Brain Injury In Sports
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Mar 7, 2017 6:59:53 GMT -6
Ok, I went back and watched it again and have some times where things are said that are possibly of interest. Now, don't do the sound-bite thing here, you have to listen to this and really get into it. 01:55 - Insurance, liability coverage for football, will be demise of football, not football itself. 03:20 - Being on a playground, as a youth, is as dangerous as playing football. 04:34 - Biggest causes for brain injuries - accidents (cars, snowmobiles, ATV's, vehicles), homicide, suicide. Says that 11 teenagers die every day from texting and driving. 05:30 - Starts talking about concussion and types of damage and such. 12:20 - There is a higher probability of suicide within 9 years once you have a brain injury. As kids stop playing sports the suicide rate is increasing. Would expect that football players would have a higher rate of suicide but they don't, they are fitter, have better social networks, more friends... 14:58 - Increased sports participation decreases suicide risk. 16:37 - The media are reporting/implying that a connection has been directly linked from concussions (football) to dementia (alzheimer's disease). Biggest factor for dementia is sedentary life style which leads to high blood pressure. 17:33 - Football has not been proven to be a risk factor for dementia. 18:30 - Starts the CTE discussion. 20:50 - No clinical description for CTE, it is something that is found under the microscope, you can have CTE and never show any symptoms at all. You cannot be diagnosed with CTE based on your symptoms. 23:48 - CTE is present in normal folks and in dementia patients. Changes in the brain (CTE) does not mean symptoms (dementia) 26:37 - Does football cause dementia? No, it does not by itself. Football is not a causal factor for developing dementia. There is no compelling evidence that football is related to dementia. 28:15 - Why the media obsession with football/concussion/dementia? Scientists have to justify their research (grants) and companies are looking for profit. 40:30 - Starts a discussion on her workplace and the number of football players in high positions, doctors that let their kids play, that kind of thing. Overall - Brain injuries are bad, regardless of how they occur. Football does not have a direct link to causing dementia. Treat the injuries - change tackling, reduce hitting, get the kids out of the game. You the man
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Post by brophy on Mar 7, 2017 8:49:21 GMT -6
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Post by hsrose on Mar 7, 2017 9:59:57 GMT -6
Brophy - no, nothing real. That was just me making a personal comment on the hysteria that I see here these days. The parents I deal with have the impression that if junior gets a single concussion playing football he's going to be early onset Alzheimers by 25.
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Post by hsrose on Mar 7, 2017 11:53:35 GMT -6
Ok, just found basically the same presentation, this time at the Minnesota Coaches Association Meeting in November, 2016. This is 29 minutes and shows her charts rather than her speaking. Makes understanding what she is saying a lot more clear.
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Post by natenator on Mar 7, 2017 12:00:24 GMT -6
Brophy - no, nothing real. That was just me making a personal comment on the hysteria that I see here these days. This is exactly what's not needed. Trivializing concerns isn't going to help our cause nor change the opinion of anyone that feels football leads to higher rates of TBI compared to other sports.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jul 16, 2017 18:05:21 GMT -6
Helmets are designed to prevent skull fractures, nothing else.
If we as a profession proclaim anything else, then we are guilty of malfeasance.
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