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Post by 546954695469 on Mar 13, 2017 19:17:07 GMT -6
Please tell me...
Why on earth is it an expectation for high school football players to "take a knee" when another player is injured? Now, I can understand this when there is a serious injury, but I'm talking about a typical, run of the mill football injury.
Take note... neither college nor professional players do this and it doesn't seem to be universal in any other sport, so why high school football?
Does it stem from youth soccer or from cheerleading camps or what?
This whole practice (taking a knee) just burns me up! And, no, I do not see it as a sign of disrespect when another team fails to take a knee for one of my players! Please don't say that teams that don't take a knee are disrespectful. Respectfully, I don't buy that...
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Post by Chris Clement on Mar 13, 2017 19:54:18 GMT -6
You're not so much wrong, as just putting way too much time into this.
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Post by 546954695469 on Mar 13, 2017 20:04:42 GMT -6
So...You don't know the answer, either! 🤔
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Post by natenator on Mar 13, 2017 20:26:16 GMT -6
You're doing alright as a coach if this is your biggest issue lol
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Post by fantom on Mar 13, 2017 21:09:21 GMT -6
I hadn't heard of this until it came up in a thread a few years ago. Seems to have started in youth leagues because coaches needed a way to control their players when they went out to check on an injured player since they had no trainers and had no way to control the kids while the coach was on the field.
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Post by hunhdisciple on Mar 13, 2017 21:37:55 GMT -6
The worst is when your kids take a knee when an opponent is just cramping up.
Even worse yet, when he's "cramping" on a drive where you're going blazingly fast and shredding them for the 2nd straight drive.
This issue doesn't really bother me one way or the other. Although I do get it from the youth side as more of a crowd control issue.
And I feel like you see it in college or the NFL if it's a serious injury. But never for anything minor.
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Post by carookie on Mar 14, 2017 0:21:31 GMT -6
Its an expectation because it has been done for a long time; and if you don't do it you may be portrayed as being classless. Yeah its silly, and I'd much rather not do it. But if not doing it is gonna cause a bunch of parents (from my school and theirs) to flip their lids and complain to the admin; well thats just not a hill I'm willing to die on.
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Post by lions23 on Mar 14, 2017 7:45:43 GMT -6
We got a lot of flack this year for not taking a knee when a player from the opposing team was seriously injured. It was the first cold game of the year. It was under 30 degrees and the player had been down for a few minutes. I told our kids to get up and move around. I didn't want them to get cold and get hurt themselves.
A teacher on Monday comes in to chastise me about the event. I told her it was none of her business but there was no point in us taking a knee for one player who was hurt and risk the health of another 30 kids.
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Post by Tooch43 on Mar 14, 2017 11:26:52 GMT -6
I always felt like taking a knee for an injured opponent was stupid. We took some flack for not doing it a couple years ago..were called poor sports in a letter to our AD or principal. Silliness.
One of the coaches on our staff has coached little league/pee wee on up (he has always coached his sons teams). He said in pee wee when a kid gets injured, the other kids are taught to take a knee so the coaches can see that there is an injury and who is injured.... also to keep the uninjured kids from getting in the way. I assume that's true.
At the high school or even junior high level, taking a knee serves no purpose. I assume that know-it-all parents just expect this behavior. The author of the note was probably sour because of the beating we put on their team.
Our world is so extreme. We are with too politicallycorrect or completely disrespectful of others. There seems to be no middle ground.
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Post by coachbdud on Mar 14, 2017 12:12:17 GMT -6
Please tell me... Why on earth is it an expectation for high school football players to "take a knee" when another player is injured? Now, I can understand this when there is a serious injury, but I'm talking about a typical, run of the mill football injury. Take note... neither college nor professional players do this and it doesn't seem to be universal in any other sport, so why high school football? Does it stem from youth soccer or from cheerleading camps or what? This whole practice (taking a knee) just burns me up! And, no, I do not see it as a sign of disrespect when another team fails to take a knee for one of my players! Please don't say that teams that don't take a knee are disrespectful. Respectfully, I don't buy that... it is so stupid and i hate it drives me crazy when people say take a knee |
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Post by bobgoodman on Mar 16, 2017 9:19:54 GMT -6
That's what I thought when I've seen it done: that it was to call att'n to the fact of an injury so action would be stopped quickly. I haven't seen it done in situations where that was not obviously the reason, but from what I gather in this thread the practice has spread excessively. What do they do, keep kneeling while the injury is already being attended to?
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Post by joris85 on Mar 16, 2017 12:04:56 GMT -6
That's what I thought when I've seen it done: that it was to call att'n to the fact of an injury so action would be stopped quickly. I haven't seen it done in situations where that was not obviously the reason, but from what I gather in this thread the practice has spread excessively. What do they do, keep kneeling while the injury is already being attended to? Exactly, as a form of "respect". I also see this in Europe... And hate it as well. |
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Post by WTR on Mar 18, 2017 19:59:01 GMT -6
I've got way more going on during a game than to worry about who and when someone takes a knee. Do it or don't do it, makes no difference to me.
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Post by bruinfb on Mar 19, 2017 8:22:39 GMT -6
Our players never take a knee during an injury. Nobody has ever expected us to take a knee. It has never been an issue.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Mar 19, 2017 9:10:09 GMT -6
I know why we do it. There's one coach on our staff who always yells "take a knee!!" When a kid is injured. What are we gonna do? Tell him to knock it off.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 19, 2017 9:15:43 GMT -6
I know why we do it. There's one coach on our staff who always yells "take a knee!!" When a kid is injured. What are we gonna do? Tell him to knock it off. Yes. You tell him in the office.. "Hey Coach, cut that crap. I don't wan't our kids in a position to cramp up/tighten up/ loose potential instruction time etc. -- Got it? " Then you tell the team "Hey guys. we aren't going to do this anymore. Here are our reasons : (List reasons) " Everyone good? Wonderful. Then, because apparently its a thing now, you email your AD and CC your Admin, Board, Super whatever...and explain to them whats going on. All good. |
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Post by fantom on Mar 19, 2017 9:47:55 GMT -6
I know why we do it. There's one coach on our staff who always yells "take a knee!!" When a kid is injured. What are we gonna do? Tell him to knock it off. Yes. You tell him in the office.. "Hey Coach, cut that crap. I don't wan't our kids in a position to cramp up/tighten up/ loose potential instruction time etc. -- Got it? " Then you tell the team "Hey guys. we aren't going to do this anymore. Here are our reasons : (List reasons) " Everyone good? Wonderful. Then, because apparently its a thing now, you email your AD and CC your Admin, Board, Super whatever...and explain to them whats going on. All good. On the staffs that I've been on I'm sure that, in the office, somebody would ask him what that's all about. |
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Post by huddlehut on Mar 19, 2017 11:37:23 GMT -6
Wait until a group of parents from an opposing school write a " letter to the editor" of your town's newspaper about your team's lack of class for not taking a knee. True story. Happened to us last year!
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Post by jbutch17 on Mar 20, 2017 10:22:05 GMT -6
This one always blows my mind/burns me up.
If it's a minor injury, especially cramps, there is no reason to be taking a knee. I have been near some of the more serious injuries and at times you'll see teams or players individually drop to a knee to offer up a quick prayer. Football is a macho situation, and minor and moderate injuries which bring no change to the uninjured players is an exhibition of their tough love and respect for the injured player, a more serious injury, and the lines are pretty easy to identify.
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Post by cwaltsmith on Mar 22, 2017 7:28:20 GMT -6
I hate it... I recieved a letter from a parent of a band member 2 yrs ago bc I continued coaching and talking to my players while an opponent was cramping. Letter said she was ashamed that I was teaching my players such disrespect. My 11 yr old son refuses to do it. I love him for it lol!!!
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Post by coachfloyd on Mar 22, 2017 7:51:05 GMT -6
I know why we do it. There's one coach on our staff who always yells "take a knee!!" When a kid is injured. What are we gonna do? Tell him to knock it off. Is he the same guy that yells "Block somebody!" ? We had a coach like that one time. Didnt know any plays but always said the right phrases. His favorite was any play over 3 yards when we were on defense he would yell "Too much". |
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Post by 3rdandlong on Mar 22, 2017 12:58:25 GMT -6
I know why we do it. There's one coach on our staff who always yells "take a knee!!" When a kid is injured. What are we gonna do? Tell him to knock it off. Is he the same guy that yells "Block somebody!" ? We had a coach like that one time. Didnt know any plays but always said the right phrases. His favorite was any play over 3 yards when we were on defense he would yell "Too much". Haha! Actually this guy is a pretty good coach, probably one of the better assistants I have. I don't feel overly passionate one way or the other about the topic so if he wants them to take a knee, then so be it. I'm slowly but surely eliminating the "block somebody" kind of coaches. |
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Post by fantom on Mar 22, 2017 13:14:52 GMT -6
Is he the same guy that yells "Block somebody!" ? We had a coach like that one time. Didnt know any plays but always said the right phrases. His favorite was any play over 3 yards when we were on defense he would yell "Too much". Haha! Actually this guy is a pretty good coach, probably one of the better assistants I have. I don't feel overly passionate one way or the other about the topic so if he wants them to take a knee, then so be it. I'm slowly but surely eliminating the "block somebody" kind of coaches. Yeah, but you're not even curious about why he wants them to take a knee? |
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Post by vanden48 on Mar 27, 2017 14:12:07 GMT -6
I always thought it was for religious purposes for prayer. I express my dislike of it early on and tell the kids not to do it. But its almost ingrained in them when somebody goes down. I always bring our team to the numbers and have a coaching moment. When I get told I'm unsportsmanlike for it, I just tell them I'm glad they don't think us beating them by 60 was unsportsmanlike. Sportsmanship is reflected in how the players act on the field, not how the honor the dead or injured.
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Post by Chris Clement on Mar 27, 2017 15:58:38 GMT -6
The dead?
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Post by fantom on Mar 27, 2017 16:01:18 GMT -6
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Post by bobgoodman on Mar 27, 2017 21:36:25 GMT -6
The auto mechanics? The water coolers? |
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Post by vanden48 on Mar 28, 2017 9:31:01 GMT -6
The dead? Yup, they act like somebody just died when they just cramped up or sprained an ankle. |
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Post by 3rdandlong on Mar 28, 2017 14:47:33 GMT -6
Haha! Actually this guy is a pretty good coach, probably one of the better assistants I have. I don't feel overly passionate one way or the other about the topic so if he wants them to take a knee, then so be it. I'm slowly but surely eliminating the "block somebody" kind of coaches. Yeah, but you're not even curious about why he wants them to take a knee? I think my curiosity of knee taking stops right around this thread lol |
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