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Post by CS on Jul 14, 2018 4:32:17 GMT -6
I’d argue the other way. Block destruction is important but only insofar as he’s in the right spot. What if he needs to use block destruction to get to the right spot??? Chicken and egg principle. Lol
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Post by CS on Jul 8, 2018 13:11:55 GMT -6
These questions are for game fields 1) gallon buckets or cans? Which do you use? Is one faster and or easier? We can do either but the bucket machine clogs. I don’t think it’s been taken care of very well. 2) field marking kits/methods. Best ones? I’ve seen the ones you put the black spikes in the ground. I also saw a school with premise strings. Across the back of the end zones the line was marked for hash and numbers. I’ve never seen those for sale. Those field marking kits are great! Its hard work up front but after that it makes marking the field so much faster. I never used a bucket machine so I can't comment on that
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Post by CS on Jul 8, 2018 11:32:49 GMT -6
It wasn’t accidental. Do you think I would tell the story of that time a ref accidentally ran into me on the sidelines? And go into great detail about the demeanor of this individual before and during the game? Probably not. My point was the rules are there so that he doesn't have to make any effort to NOT run into you aren't they? Obviously the fact that you were in the wrong first doesn't mitigate the fact that he was jerk (according to your side). Just pointing out that if you followed the rules, it probably doesn't happen right? I wasn’t questioning the rule or whether or not I deserved the flag. I was telling a story for $hits and gigs about an a$$hole who intentionally shoulder checked me and literally hit me in the chest with the flag. Way to ruin a fun thread
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Post by CS on Jul 8, 2018 10:36:08 GMT -6
So anyway a player breaks one down the opposite sideline. I’m walking toward the end zone inside the dreaded white area and he body checks the $hit out of me from behind, turns around and as he’s backpedaling hits me with the flag. It was straight out of the matrix. Anyway my HC had finally had enough and went crazy about it. Cutting the story down I haven’t seen that guy again I’m in a poorer area of my state so I have a bunch of bad ref stories Maybe I am not understanding this properly, but reading your description here, it seems as though the guy was doing his job, and while travelling through the white area you got in his way? Are you saying that the collision was not accidental, but that he knowing and purposefully made it a point to make violent contact? If he was just hustling down the sideline watching the play and you got in his way...why wouldn't he through the flag? What am I missing? It wasn’t accidental. Do you think I would tell the story of that time a ref accidentally ran into me on the sidelines? And go into great detail about the demeanor of this individual before and during the game?
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Post by CS on Jul 8, 2018 5:37:56 GMT -6
Sideline warnings are the bane of my existence. Refs with attitudes are new. We have a hotshot in our area that is pretty disrespectful to coaches. Our staff is always going to be respectful of you, why not return the same? You won’t be getting cussed or yelled at or even griped at often. Our old HC was probably the most respectful coach in America. I’m not sure if this guy is reffing anymore around here but there was a crew that had a guy on it who was a big time a$$hole. I mean from the moment you meet the guy you get the feeling it’s us vs them. He’s on our sideline and of course acting like billy bada$$ with the sideline stuff. We aren’t giving him any problems with it but as coaches you get involved and god forbid move into the white area on the field. So anyway a player breaks one down the opposite sideline. I’m walking toward the end zone inside the dreaded white area and he body checks the $hit out of me from behind, turns around and as he’s backpedaling hits me with the flag. It was straight out of the matrix. Anyway my HC had finally had enough and went crazy about it. Cutting the story down I haven’t seen that guy again I’m in a poorer area of my state so I have a bunch of bad ref stories
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Post by CS on Jul 7, 2018 16:17:00 GMT -6
Anything that came out of Knoxville,TN the past 5 years. "Champions of Life" "Five Star Hearts" "Leadership Reps" ugh...I never even heard the term "leadership reps" and it killed a little bit of my soul when I read it PJ Fleck I have an irrational hatred for...he seems like the type of dude that would tell everybody's girlfriends/wives what they did at a bachelor party because he is their friend too and feels like it was the right thing to do I frequent the message boards of a few different schools in the SEC (Texas A&M and LSU mostly) just to kill time and get a college fb fix, and you have no idea how hard up some of their fans were to try and get fleck hired "we this kind of passion man!..look at him! he's running around saying big quotes and there's inspiring music and players are all crying and stuff" the kind of people who like fleck are the ones that love it when the staff development speaker does that stupid "oooooh I think we can do better that THAT!...I SAID GOOD MORNING TEACHERS!!"...and the fleck lovers are the ones who whoop and holler and crap pretending to not be pissed that school is about to start and we are in the stupid meetings fleck lovers are people who are on their 3rd or fourth pyramid scheme even though they never made any money still thinking that this is their big chance to be their own boss and drive a dodge stratus if only they bring enough positive attitude and doggone enthusiasm! there is no escape You’re obviously not tired of being average
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Post by CS on Jul 7, 2018 13:37:54 GMT -6
Maybe you had a bad one but that's on administration.
I wouldn't want to coach at a school that didn't have a certified ATC.
And the two best I had were both female.
every bruise was a sprain, strain, or possible break which resulted in the kid being out, every knick resulted in the kids flocking to her during practice, everyone all of a sudden had to be taped everyday was a nightmare. I would be all for a good ATC but all my experiences outside of my playing experience in college tell me that I haven't found 1 accept for when I was playing in college. Our trainer is great. She doesn’t baby them at all and will actually get pi$$ed at them for coming to her with boo boos.
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Post by CS on Jul 6, 2018 20:25:24 GMT -6
I get what you’re saying and agree somewhat but I’m not sure you understand what their argument was. The fact that bama can play 2 high is because they have bada$$es and they will play man match quarters to it which most high school teams aren’t. What was trying to be argued was that zone match 2 read isn’t good against RPO which is correct if you play 2 read rules and not bastardized rules. I’m not saying your wrong coach just that you’re not arguing the right problem I haven’t argued scheme at all on this thread. My point was you can’t argue scheme is most important and then argue the teams that win are the ones with the best players when someone wins with a scheme you dont approve of. Y’all are just picking and choosing which is most important based on your opinion of the situation. Now you are glossing over what I was saying. I’m saying that when you don’t have the freaks you need to scheme better. I’m saying that having freaks is absolutely the most important thing but you can’t count on freaks all the time. Imagine if you could have freaks and a solid scheme
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Post by CS on Jul 6, 2018 20:04:48 GMT -6
I’m saying athletes win games in a sense but doing things correctly is more important because we don’t all have the best athletes. If you do things correctly you can beat the teams that are equal to or slightly better than you if they don’t. If they are just flat out better athletically in every way then if doesn’t fuking matter what you do Edit: also he didn’t show what the discussion was talking about so that’s a moot point Coach, I understand what you are saying 100%. And you are 100% right. Do you not understand what my point was at all? Was there not maybe 1% of truth in it? I get what you’re saying and agree somewhat but I’m not sure you understand what their argument was. The fact that bama can play 2 high is because they have bada$$es and they will play man match quarters to it which most high school teams aren’t. What was trying to be argued was that zone match 2 read isn’t good against RPO which is correct if you play 2 read rules and not bastardized rules. I’m not saying your wrong coach just that you’re not arguing the right problem
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Post by CS on Jul 6, 2018 19:16:32 GMT -6
I don’t see it as talking out of both sides of my mouth at all. More of a cautionary tale that you can be successful with great players but you of all people should know that development and putting players in a position to win is important especially deep in the playoffs. What I’m saying is that we really only have to worry about 1 team in our conference. The playoffs are our real season and we meet teams with really good players and really good coaches and that “it works for us” bastardized coverages don’t work with teams that know what they’re doing I understand and you are 100% correct. But... One minute, you can't play that. Then someone shows how they or OMG, Bama, was aligned similarly and it worked, and then it is well athletes win games. Just saying... I’m saying athletes win games in a sense but doing things correctly is more important because we don’t all have the best athletes. If you do things correctly you can beat the teams that are equal to or slightly better than you if they don’t. If they are just flat out better athletically in every way then if doesn’t fuking matter what you do Edit: also he didn’t show what the discussion was talking about so that’s a moot point
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Post by CS on Jul 6, 2018 19:01:17 GMT -6
Usually means you have the best dudes in the state. Not schematics. CS ****, That is true. No doubt. But you are now talking out both sides of your mouth. One minute it is all that stuff works and then when you get to week 11+ against great coaches, etc. So you better know what you are doing. The next minute, it is the team with the best athletes. Also, while Saban is the best coach in the land - no doubt in my mind, and possibly the best ever, the BEST thing he does is recruit. He always has the best players and deepest team. Maybe we shouldn't be listening to him. Scheme matters. Exectution matters more. Players matter even more. And some coaches are so damn smart, they know when not to outscheme themselves by trying to outscheme the other team and be in the perfect play call. They use their talent and execution and don't worry about a 5 yard hitch or 5 yard rpo that they know the other team isn't going to beat them with consistently. I don’t see it as talking out of both sides of my mouth at all. More of a cautionary tale that you can be successful with great players but you of all people should know that development and putting players in a position to win is important especially deep in the playoffs. What I’m saying is that we really only have to worry about 1 team in our conference. The playoffs are our real season and we meet teams with really good players and really good coaches and that “it works for us” bastardized coverages don’t work with teams that know what they’re doing
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Post by CS on Jul 6, 2018 18:46:45 GMT -6
Winning state doesn’t make you schematically right. It just means you won a state title Usually means you have the best dudes in the state. Not schematics. This guy gets it...lol
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Post by CS on Jul 6, 2018 18:39:28 GMT -6
You kind of just glossed over the "it's working" part and naturally assumed it was only working because of weak opponents or coaching. Why? You would think on a board full of vets, it would be understood and encouraged that other's may be have a solution as well. That said, I absolutely understand what you posted. My point (and again, maybe I am optimistically naive) is that if as you put it, things didn't work against good teams with good OCs, then a coach wouldn't be furiously arguing that it does but rather would say "Hmm... that might be why we are having some trouble" Ultimate, in this particular case (2 read thread) I really think half of the bickering is that adjustments are being made, and some coaches want to clamor "THAT ISN'T 2 READ THEN" and other coaches are saying "eh, we teach it as 2 read..whatever". I could be wrong. As the chief bickerer in said thread: - Thread is posted about 2 read - Someone says, if you run 2 read you are an idiot - insulting multiple guys who have state championships under the guise of "2 high sucks against that, can't play it. Impossible. 2 high is terrible. Nobody in college runs it" This is an ongoing theme in that sub. - 2 high is fine. Need to have a couple of adjustments to make a 2 high look work if they put the overhang in conflict if you are trying to play 2 read. - Multiple posts about how playing 2 high is impossible and for idiots and talking about it is a waste of time - Pictures and videos showing the guy they said would never play 2 high, playing 2 high - BUT THAT ISN'T CLAMP!!! That is "blah blah blah" Edit: Should add, I was 100% acting like "someone" in response to his posts... because, well, that act is growing tiresome. Winning state doesn’t make you schematically right. It just means you won a state title
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Post by CS on Jul 6, 2018 18:27:44 GMT -6
But how well is it working and why? When you play a GOOD team with a GOOD OC that “it works for us” stuff doesn’t work. Or with really good players it doesn’t work if you’re not doing things correctly. On a board full of vets you would think that point would be understood and encouraged You kind of just glossed over the "it's working" part and naturally assumed it was only working because of weak opponents or coaching. Why? You would think on a board full of vets, it would be understood and encouraged that other's may be have a solution as well. That said, I absolutely understand what you posted. My point (and again, maybe I am optimistically naive) is that if as you put it, things didn't work against good teams with good OCs, then a coach wouldn't be furiously arguing that it does but rather would say "Hmm... that might be why we are having some trouble" Ultimate, in this particular case (2 read thread) I really think half of the bickering is that adjustments are being made, and some coaches want to clamor "THAT ISN'T 2 READ THEN" and other coaches are saying "eh, we teach it as 2 read..whatever". I could be wrong. You could call it assuming and I’m not saying they don’t have success with what they do. Same as the guy with f D1 receivers running 4 verts as their base play because they can. It works for them. I coach at a place that has “dudes” and we can’t do some things that some of these guys are claiming to be able to do. So one could only assume that they have freaks or they play against inferior talent. I could also argue that the mix up of information isn’t coming from those correcting but the ones being corrected. 2 read is a pretty universal term with certain rules that go along with it. You don’t come on here and spout off nonsense that “works for you” as the rules for 2 read. If you want to argue that the problem is in the verbiage than we can’t have people come on here saying an adjustment they made in their situation is 2 read and expect everyone to agree
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Post by CS on Jul 6, 2018 17:28:28 GMT -6
Its the same reason chalk battles are a waste to me, those battling care more about proving that they are right; or more accurately that the other person is grossly incompetent to the point where it disgusts them. As if there is some award given for making people admit they are inferior. I don't know if they are necessarily a waste, but your sentiments seem to be accurate. What is terribly humorous about the current chalk thread is reading a bunch of "you can't do that" posts directed at coaches who (presumably) are indeed doing 'that' and having success. Maybe I am optimistically naive, but I find it hard to believe that a coach would argue back and forth about something like that anonymously simply to save face as opposed to recognizing a potential fix for a problem being had. But how well is it working and why? When you play a GOOD team with a GOOD OC that “it works for us” stuff doesn’t work. Or with really good players it doesn’t work if you’re not doing things correctly. On a board full of vets you would think that point would be understood and encouraged
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Post by CS on Jul 6, 2018 12:34:30 GMT -6
I still learn quit a bit on this site.
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Post by CS on Jul 4, 2018 17:47:44 GMT -6
Wait, why is Leach ok but Herman is not? Also, where can I learn about Herman's antics? I'm not familiar with them aside from the piss posters. He’s talking about making fun of that kid on the sidelines at the bowl game. The reason leach and not herman is because Herman is a douche and leach just doesn’t give a $hit
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Post by CS on Jul 4, 2018 10:45:23 GMT -6
Wiping your a$$, cleaning your room, hash tags on tweets. I used to like Tom Herman more before he got the Texas job. It seems the more high profile attention he gets the douchier he seems His comments about a wedding were hilarious, but I have to say that I’m over all of the media antics of Mike Leach. Mike Leach is the 🐐 Edit: I want to sit and drink beer with him and Spurrier
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Post by CS on Jul 4, 2018 8:37:18 GMT -6
The Tom Herman UT you're a selfish team mate because your pee is too dark chart is pretty god damned ridiculous/douchey too. I'm going to make several of these and apply them to everything. Conditioning, team dinner, taking a shower. You name it. Wiping your a$$, cleaning your room, hash tags on tweets. I used to like Tom Herman more before he got the Texas job. It seems the more high profile attention he gets the douchier he seems
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Post by CS on Jul 2, 2018 13:20:48 GMT -6
I work with a guy who makes these statements all the time. I cringe when I hear it and comment in the office but he does it anyway. I feel like society has blurred the lines of what a generalization and racism is. Racism to me is just hating someone because they are a different race. Generalizations like the ones you used are ignorant but I feel they come from a harmless place and are more of an annoyance(or should be simply an annoyance) I understand what you are saying, but the troublesome reality is that regardless of what vocabulary is used, the results of the "generalization" still promote an atmosphere/environment slanted against certain groups. Or maybe they prove one still exits and help perpetuate it. Kind of a chicken/egg thing there I guess. I see it here in South Louisiana often, particularly in comments on crime. There is an observable difference in the langue used when people comment on crimes with or without pictures (or other indicators of race). When some groups have issues, particularly with drugs, they are thugs..others need help because addiction is such a horrible thing. Just one example. That’s also my point. Sometimes it’s not “against” a certain group but a generalization that would be considered “good.”. Either way I think racism is thrown around so much now days that it takes away from what true racism is
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Post by CS on Jul 2, 2018 13:13:36 GMT -6
If you were considering taking a job in which you would be the HFC but not AD, what would be some dealbreakers for you that could exist if you're not in charge of the athletic program? For example, if you were offered a job as HFC but the AD (who is also, say, the b'ball coach) would run the weight room with your input being secondary? Would that be a dealbreaker? I know it would be for some. What about other plausible scenarios? The deal breaker for me right off the bat is that the basketball coach is the AD
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Post by CS on Jul 2, 2018 13:11:00 GMT -6
Not really coach speak but more clinic talk / experience. Drives me NUTS when you listen to a guy giving a clinic and he says "My guys are no different from your guys, just average HS kids and blah..blah" then puts the tape on and the '85 Bears pi$$ themselves a little. I know many of these teams are still well coached but the tagline of we have guys just like everybody else when you don't annoys me. Nothing wrong w/ having talent. When we're up I say it. Ain't takin' credit for all the wins nor blame for all the losses. It’s these guys who buy into their own bull$hit in my opinion. Like they are the greatest coaches in the land because they have great players and try to make it seem like it isn’t their 6’4 4.3 forty receiver that makes that fade pattern hit so often. Not that you can’t be a great coach AND have great players, but the first words out of those guys mouths are usually that they were blessed to have great football players that make them look good.
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Post by CS on Jul 2, 2018 8:06:12 GMT -6
I have literally never seen an Asian football team. You must coach in the most diverse yet segregated league on the planet Lol Southern California has quite a few Asian teams I work with a guy who makes these statements all the time. I cringe when I hear it and comment in the office but he does it anyway. I feel like society has blurred the lines of what a generalization and racism is. Racism to me is just hating someone because they are a different race. Generalizations like the ones you used are ignorant but I feel they come from a harmless place and are more of an annoyance(or should be simply an annoyance)
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Post by CS on Jul 1, 2018 19:27:33 GMT -6
Don’t freak out, you have been there for 4 months. Workout the ones who show up and continue to build relationships with them. Kids are your greatest resource for getting more to come out. High school recruiting goes through the kids and anyone who says otherwise is clueless. When you are at a small school you are at the mercy of the players to some degree so you need to be patient and not chase any away I absolutely am absolutely at the mercy of the kids. (most still playing baseball) I have been laid back in my interaction with them not harassing to much. I know to take it slow...just killin me though. Had to speak with a new assistant about building relationships first and getting them out then slowly tightening the screws and teaching our expectations. Order #1 is to raise #'s and make football exciting again. Hardest part is not knowing the composition of the team...until the first week of practice. Will be rewarding those that show with new swag... Also, had informed the team that those that put in time get first choice of gear/#. we will see how that goes. Tradition has been senior first then junior and down the line. [/quote] The numbers are picked before anyone goes to you. It doesn’t matter how many lifts the kids get in Edit: the jersey numbers are picked
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Post by CS on Jul 1, 2018 16:21:12 GMT -6
Rocky IV rocky III Rocky Rocky Balboa Creed Rocky II Rocky V I would put Creed above Rocky Balboa though and I could make a case for 3 being better than 4. Rocky 5 is trash
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Post by CS on Jul 1, 2018 16:17:28 GMT -6
Common racist comments coaches say about opponents of specific races: White team: “They’re not very fast but They’re well coached and disciplined. They don’t make many mistakes. But Those spoiled kids don’t like getting hit. Black team: They have athletes. We’ll have to contain them. But they’re undisciplined and will point fingers and quit when bad things happen. Mexican team: They’ll hit you and their tough. But we should be able to find mismatches and beat them with our speed and size. Asian team. They’re very smart but Asians don’t play football and aren’t athletic. Polynesian team: Ummm. Okay I must admit that I don’t hear very many negative things about Polynesians. I have literally never seen an Asian football team. You must coach in the most diverse yet segregated league on the planet
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Post by CS on Jul 1, 2018 7:27:38 GMT -6
We need some grind. I am trying to stay relaxed. This is my first year with this team...have spent the last 4 months building relationships with the athletes. While we have almost double the #'s of last season. (committed on paper) I have not seen it translate to the weight room. Sounds like traditionally the athletes don't show up until August. No weight room culture what so ever. While I am happy that there are more "saying" they are going to play I am not happy with the no shows. It is a small school and this is my first year with them but man it kills me to wait until August to see what type of team I have. Even looking at scaling back weight room times. Possibly going to 2 days a week Instead of offering it 4. Don’t freak out, you have been there for 4 months. Workout the ones who show up and continue to build relationships with them. Kids are your greatest resource for getting more to come out. High school recruiting goes through the kids and anyone who says otherwise is clueless. When you are at a small school you are at the mercy of the players to some degree so you need to be patient and not chase any away
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Post by CS on Jun 29, 2018 12:15:44 GMT -6
Ours is the same. We had 2 kids selected and neither played because they were already at their colleges. I feel like they would get more participation if they had the all-star game after the state title games were played. The basketball coaches would probably get all pissed though That is why those kids are not even nominated to the team here. By the time Region voting comes around, coaches are suppose to get a confirmation from the D1 Kids if they are going to play. Every now and then you have a kid passionate about it and is good enough that the college will say yes. But it does not happen often. But if the real all stars aren’t playing is it an all star game?
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Post by CS on Jun 29, 2018 10:11:41 GMT -6
Ours is the same. We had 2 kids selected and neither played because they were already at their colleges. I feel like they would get more participation if they had the all-star game after the state title games were played.
The basketball coaches would probably get all pissed though
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Post by CS on Jun 27, 2018 12:36:03 GMT -6
I can give a specific.... What drives me crazy is the casual use of the n word ending in “a” by non black kids. But I also learned that the black kids don’t mind it. I’ve gone on long rants on why that word shouldn’t be uttered (IMO by black kids as well) but that doesn’t stop it. How do you guys handle that? Do you think it’s a big issue? I used too but it’s part of their culture now. If it caused problems then yeah I would say something but the kids don’t see it that way
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