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Post by fantom on Jun 28, 2018 13:27:39 GMT -6
A few weeks ago I was having a drink and when I looked at the bar's TV I was surprised to see that the Big 33 game was being played. I was surprised because, even though I was in Pennsylvania at the time, I hadn't heard anything at all about the game. When I looked at the rosters it seemed to me that the overall quality of the players wasn't quite what it once was. I couldn't believe how much the glitter had dropped off what was once a really big event.
It got me wondering if the same thing has happened in your states or, if you're in PA, my impression of the Big 33 is correct.
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Post by fantom on Jun 28, 2018 13:53:36 GMT -6
I should mention that in Virginia our state game is on life support. It used to be a big deal, played in July while they also played all-star games for other sports and held a huge clinic for all sports. That started to change when colleges started bringing in freshmen during the summer and many told their kids not to play in the game. In addition, a lot of coaches felt that the selection process was too political so regional all-star games started popping up around the state.
This year, the game was played in December while two other games were being played in the same area. It got almost no publicity. Unless something changes I can't see it lasting much longer.
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Post by wingtol on Jun 28, 2018 14:09:39 GMT -6
PA guy here, Big 33 has definitely gone down in prestige over the last few years for sure. Losing Ohio as an opponent hurt, lots of their top guys were choosing the Ohio north-south or whatever it was over Big 33, just don't think there is much excitement to play Maryland (no offense to Maryland they actually won this year just not a big rival I guess) and the game was always played in Hershey PA when it should have probably rotated into Ohio to keep interest. Another HUGE factor is so many guys are enrolling early in college, like January or summer. I can think of three kids from our city who went early that would have been picked, one went to ND one went to PSU in January and the other to PSU in June but getting on campus is more important that a June all-star game. Big 33 is hurting for sure, not sure how long it will make it at this rate.
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Post by macdiiddy on Jun 29, 2018 9:14:36 GMT -6
In Indiana it is always a North/South Game. It is a big deal to get nominated to the team, however, anyone going D1 never plays in it as colleges will not allow it. So most of the best, omg talent is not represented.
In addition, I do not know how other states handle it, but each region creates their "All-Star Team" by voting. Then those guys are taken dont to a committee to chose those on the team. The process works, and by the time they are nominated for the region team they know if they will be able to play in the north south game.
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Post by CS on Jun 29, 2018 10:11:41 GMT -6
Ours is the same. We had 2 kids selected and neither played because they were already at their colleges. I feel like they would get more participation if they had the all-star game after the state title games were played.
The basketball coaches would probably get all pissed though
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Post by macdiiddy on Jun 29, 2018 11:57:45 GMT -6
Ours is the same. We had 2 kids selected and neither played because they were already at their colleges. I feel like they would get more participation if they had the all-star game after the state title games were played. The basketball coaches would probably get all pissed though That is why those kids are not even nominated to the team here. By the time Region voting comes around, coaches are suppose to get a confirmation from the D1 Kids if they are going to play. Every now and then you have a kid passionate about it and is good enough that the college will say yes. But it does not happen often.
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Post by CS on Jun 29, 2018 12:15:44 GMT -6
Ours is the same. We had 2 kids selected and neither played because they were already at their colleges. I feel like they would get more participation if they had the all-star game after the state title games were played. The basketball coaches would probably get all pissed though That is why those kids are not even nominated to the team here. By the time Region voting comes around, coaches are suppose to get a confirmation from the D1 Kids if they are going to play. Every now and then you have a kid passionate about it and is good enough that the college will say yes. But it does not happen often. But if the real all stars aren’t playing is it an all star game?
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 30, 2018 9:13:22 GMT -6
I should mention that in Virginia our state game is on life support. It used to be a big deal, played in July while they also played all-star games for other sports and held a huge clinic for all sports. That started to change when colleges started bringing in freshmen during the summer and many told their kids not to play in the game. In addition, a lot of coaches felt that the selection process was too political so regional all-star games started popping up around the state. This year, the game was played in December while two other games were being played in the same area. It got almost no publicity. Unless something changes I can't see it lasting much longer. This is pretty much the same with Louisiana... well, it was. I honestly have no idea if it still exists or if any of the July All-Star games exist. I think a big part for the football decline was indeed the best of the best not wanting to participate. In 1994, I am pretty sure it was Josh Booty was going to be the East Quarterback, and Peyton Manning the West. Both declined, and it ended up being two option quarterbacks in quite a different offensive show than the one people were looking for. I will be honest though, I don't know if the All Star game was ever a really big deal in Louisiana. They did it like fantom described if I remember correctly, but Volleyball was always a joke (nobody ever beat the team with the New Orleans Catholic Schools All-Stars) plus both volleyball and basketball already had AAU teams that were essentially all star teams competing nation wide. Sounds like the concept is just loosing interest and isn't very important to athletics. I can see college bowl games following suit in the somewhat distant future.
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Post by fantom on Jun 30, 2018 13:55:54 GMT -6
I should mention that in Virginia our state game is on life support. It used to be a big deal, played in July while they also played all-star games for other sports and held a huge clinic for all sports. That started to change when colleges started bringing in freshmen during the summer and many told their kids not to play in the game. In addition, a lot of coaches felt that the selection process was too political so regional all-star games started popping up around the state. This year, the game was played in December while two other games were being played in the same area. It got almost no publicity. Unless something changes I can't see it lasting much longer. This is pretty much the same with Louisiana... well, it was. I honestly have no idea if it still exists or if any of the July All-Star games exist. I think a big part for the football decline was indeed the best of the best not wanting to participate. In 1994, I am pretty sure it was Josh Booty was going to be the East Quarterback, and Peyton Manning the West. Both declined, and it ended up being two option quarterbacks in quite a different offensive show than the one people were looking for. I will be honest though, I don't know if the All Star game was ever a really big deal in Louisiana. They did it like fantom described if I remember correctly, but Volleyball was always a joke (nobody ever beat the team with the New Orleans Catholic Schools All-Stars) plus both volleyball and basketball already had AAU teams that were essentially all star teams competing nation wide. Sounds like the concept is just loosing interest and isn't very important to athletics. I can see college bowl games following suit in the somewhat distant future. I hope bowl games don't go away. They're one of the things that are a good deal for players. Just the other day my son was telling me how much fun you can have with a free week with per diem in New Orleans.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 30, 2018 14:09:49 GMT -6
This is pretty much the same with Louisiana... well, it was. I honestly have no idea if it still exists or if any of the July All-Star games exist. I think a big part for the football decline was indeed the best of the best not wanting to participate. In 1994, I am pretty sure it was Josh Booty was going to be the East Quarterback, and Peyton Manning the West. Both declined, and it ended up being two option quarterbacks in quite a different offensive show than the one people were looking for. I will be honest though, I don't know if the All Star game was ever a really big deal in Louisiana. They did it like fantom described if I remember correctly, but Volleyball was always a joke (nobody ever beat the team with the New Orleans Catholic Schools All-Stars) plus both volleyball and basketball already had AAU teams that were essentially all star teams competing nation wide. Sounds like the concept is just loosing interest and isn't very important to athletics. I can see college bowl games following suit in the somewhat distant future. I hope bowl games don't go away. They're one of the things that are a good deal for players. Just the other day my son was telling me how much fun you can have with a free week with per diem in New Orleans. yeah.. I said that years ago when everyone was pushing for playoffs. Countless times it was suggested "Just use the bowl sites for the play off games" without realizing how that would impact things.
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Post by funkfriss on Jul 2, 2018 13:36:19 GMT -6
Used to be guys played football and didn’t worry about getting hurt....
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Post by fantom on Jul 2, 2018 13:40:31 GMT -6
Used to be guys played football and didn’t worry about getting hurt.... It's not the guys' choice. The colleges bring them in for the summer and won't let them plsy.
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