|
Post by CS on Aug 5, 2018 5:27:19 GMT -6
Those were the rules that were set for the period. How was the team's goal line defense that year? Cudos to you for following the rules no matter how dumb they are though
|
|
|
Post by CS on Aug 4, 2018 8:08:02 GMT -6
Truth! A pick is a damn pick! Or when the scout offense busts a big gain on the defense and the DC says, "we won't be in that defense against that formation." When you get exposed in practice it allows you to fix things. Justifying it will get you beat! I think every DC alive says that and here's why- Sometimes you plan to bring a blitz against a certain play in practice because you want to see how badly it leaves you exposed should you happen to call it during a game and they happen to call the right play. You run it in practice, they expose it, the HC or scout team OC lose their minds and you say you won't be in that defense in a game. Lmao! That last part just happened to me. We were running a blitz period and I told the oc to run his plays and practice their hot routes. I wanted to see us do the blitzes correctly but at the same time rally to a completed throw because it will happen and I want us to be prepared. To make a long story short they weren’t doing well and so after a few reps the QB just stands their for what seemed like an eternity and threw a deep bomb over the top for a score. Offensive guys went freaking bananas Can’t trust those guys to do what you ask for too long
|
|
|
Post by CS on Aug 1, 2018 17:37:11 GMT -6
Received: Not too many actually , as a matter of fact any ones I ever received, all came from the same guy , but the worst one (from him) was probably when I corrected a 1st year coach who happened to be related to the HC , in practice once. Coaching LB, with the new guy , good kid right out of college, tackle wrap drill chest to bag, kid spears with the top of his head, new guy is talking to another kid, isn't really looking, heard the pop , and just kind of instinctively says "good hit Matt"..... I don't even raise my voice, I just literally say "no coach he dipped his head" .. WELL...the HC overheard it and proceeded rip me in front of the rest of the staff, and team.... For saying something to another coach..... in front of the team. there were a few others with that coach Dished out : Many years ago , I actually posted it here when it happened I believe Youth ball ....I had an assistant, 44-45 years old, Air Force veteran, son was playing for me. Dad shows up one day in full equipment, to and I quote, "teach our kids how to hit", they were 13.... looks like Al Bundys old football getup ...we thought he was joking until he was telling kids to run at him full speed. I run over and pull him aside, tell him to get the pads off before any of the parents see it, or before he hurts someone He didnt quite grasp why I wouldn't let him, hes telling me "we don't hit enough" that I'm "making a joke out of him" , I'm a bad coach, I have no idea what it takes to coach a team etc..I ask if he understands liability, he tells me he understands fine, do I 'understand the liability of losing a championship?' (again its youth ball) I tell him hes not touching any kid on this field, he tells me he's taking his kid off the team, Im a joke, I tell him, "Yeah? ? ? youre the only adult in a F'in helmet here"... He says something else I told him his services were no longer needed ....even worse he never understood why I fired him. This literally sounds like 3yearletterman. Did he smell like McGraw southern blend?
|
|
|
Post by CS on Aug 1, 2018 15:01:29 GMT -6
I get what you’re saying. Like in practice when the scout team defense picks a ball off and the OC says” don’t worry about that if he sits like that in a game we are going to kill them with this play.” I’m sitting there like how the hell are you just going to say that when the QB hit the safety in the chest with the ball? It was a terrible read It’s always offensive coaches who say that sh!t I don't know. Defensive coaches have been know to say, "Don't worry. They won't run that chit". Maybe when some dingleberry Lincoln Riley wanna be dials up a quadruple reverse pass when we are playing a DW team. Generally I like to think defensive guys have more sense than the visor fairies
|
|
|
Post by CS on Aug 1, 2018 14:36:08 GMT -6
This one annoys me too.
Maybe I'm thinking about it wrong, and maybe people will tell me why I'm wrong (and that will be an interesting learning opportunity).
But, what this seems to imply to me, is that the players are robots, and you can just input infinite instructions into them like lines of code until you have perfect players
Whereas in my experience, this is really far from the truth, players all have differing levels of instructions they can take and usefully implement, and there's definitely diminishing returns to instructions.
And what separate really great coaches from the not really great coaches are the judgment calls around those questions, 'exactly how much instruction can this guy take?" "Given that judgment, what's the highest payoff instruction that I can give that guy?"
-----
My other thing is, like a lot of these saying, they tend to be a sh*t rolling downhill deal, the head coach says it to the coordinator, the coordinator say to the position coach, the position coach feel like he's got to performatively yell at players so his bosses can see what a great coach he is, and the player is just tuning everything out.
So yeah, that's not my favorite saying
That's an Elite post He simply got tired of being average, got his urine color to championship status and started rowing the boat
|
|
|
Post by CS on Aug 1, 2018 12:33:43 GMT -6
I ran Down 13/15 plays to open a game once because there was no point doing anything else. They were denying the Buck Series super hard but never gave any considering to just running off-tackle... HC got mad at me because our HB wasn't involved in the game at all and our FBs were both over 100yds by halftime.
I didn't say not to repeat a successful play until the defense adjusted-stopped it. I did that myself many times over 30 years calling plays.
To do otherwise would be poor coaching.
My point was to describe that tactic with any of those three phrases is cliché to the point of meaningless.
I get what you’re saying. Like in practice when the scout team defense picks a ball off and the OC says” don’t worry about that if he sits like that in a game we are going to kill them with this play.” I’m sitting there like how the hell are you just going to say that when the QB hit the safety in the chest with the ball? It was a terrible read It’s always offensive coaches who say that sh!t
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jul 31, 2018 3:28:09 GMT -6
Just wondering when all you guys are allowed to have your first official day or practice? When can you hit? When can you scrimmage? When is your first game? For us here in NC yesterday was our 1st official day. We have to practice 2 days in just helmets and 3 in shells before we have live contact. So we can hit Saturday. Our first scrimmage is next Wednesday and we play on Aug 17. We have 3 days of helmets only, 2 with shells, then we only get 2 full contact days(full pads)a week after that. That includes game days, but game days are the only day we go full pads anyway
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jul 29, 2018 19:48:20 GMT -6
Anything that came out of Knoxville,TN the past 5 years. "Champions of Life" "Five Star Hearts" "Leadership Reps" The Tom Herman UT you're a selfish team mate because your pee is too dark chart is pretty god damned ridiculous/douchey too. It’s going around the twitter sphere pretty hard right now
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jul 26, 2018 5:57:10 GMT -6
As others have said, it's a like a lot of things: is it being done in moderation or all the time, is it being done for a reason or just because you/the HC is throwing a temper tantrum, and does it have the intended effect? Nick Saban chews out assistants all the time because (1) he can, he's Nick Saban, (2) the assistants will take it (they are being paid a lot, get to coach at Alabama and it's great on the resume, (3) because usually (I'm told) there's a specific message Saban is trying to get across, and if saying it quietly doesn't work he's not afraid to yell it and (4) he (I'm told) will chew out assistants as a way to send messages to players (something Bill Walsh -- another guy who people said was not easy to coach for -- used to do a lot and talked about a lot). Indeed, Walsh said he'd frequently step into a drill if he saw players without good technique or some other issue and rip the coach in front of his position group, on the theory that it would actually bond the assistant and his players because they'd see their coach getting ripped for something they were responsible for and they'd often try harder for their assistants, so long as Walsh was picking out something real (and coachable). Does that work? Probably, or at least a lot of the time. Are (3) and (4) more important... or (1) and (2)? Can you do (3) and (4) if you're not Nick Saban or Bill Walsh? Do a lot of coaches yell and scream just because they can, not because they have a point? Probably? Also, football is a game for people with thick skins, but I think we all know there's a lot of "football behavior" that probably wouldn't fly in just about any other environment (which might be good or bad). The upshot is selective yelling ("ass chewings") is another tool in a head coach's toolbox to get people (players and coaches) to perform at the maximum of their capability, but I'm guessing that at least more than 50% of it is probably unnecessarily and often counter productive. Great post. Something that’s not being explored is that other sports have the same crap happen. We had a baseball coach at a small college in the state get recorded basically calling all of his team lazy pieces OS. The way I put it was tame. Football is just the big thing to talk about these days
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jul 25, 2018 19:03:21 GMT -6
None of our coaches missed a single workout nor were late all summer and we had some kids quit. And we are in a football powerhouse school. You seem to have all the answers. What is the reason for them wanting to quit?? LOL!!!what leads you to to believe I want anybody to quit? You are either a genius troll or a dumb son of a b!tch...haven’t figured it out yet
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jul 25, 2018 15:49:28 GMT -6
None of what I said is about being late to a meeting and then asking for a promotion...? I just said there's really no reason to spend all that time... its generally unnecessary. Many of us, myself included often make too big a deal out of this game. It's my passion, and my livelihood, but I will never let it affect how my son is raised, or how my wife is treated. Of course there are times that she understands she kind of takes a backseat (in season specifically), but I'm never going to be the guy who sits around the office in June throwing pencils at the ceiling and watching hours of NFL/D1 video clips. I do that at night when the family goes to bed. Which is exactly what this thread is referencing, along with overworking kids kid are not choosing to skip football because they are over worked. They work 2x aas hard at video games, summer job, school, gettin' some. And they still find time to drink smoke weed, or whatever. The reason do not come is because they justifiably see a double standard. The players are suppose to at x number of work outs a week during summer. Most coaches can't be but once a week during summer. Coaches justify just the way you did. " I am a man, I have kids I have to feed!" That is the average coach. But when the kid misses a work out, "we a part of a brother hood, you be lettin' your brothers down" from same coach who does his weekly appearance. The kid rightfully so flip the coach the bird. You want to say we spend to much bs'ing? I wouldn't argue that. We do a lot of thing that simply defy logic and is done because. That does not justify the double standard many coaches have when it comes to their players. Its the adults not the kids. Kids play every other virtually year round down here. Its not work that is the problem, and you are not fooling them. None of our coaches missed a single workout nor were late all summer and we had some kids quit. And we are in a football powerhouse school. You seem to have all the answers. What is the reason for them wanting to quit??
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jul 24, 2018 12:58:23 GMT -6
Spent time on an SEC football team post 2005 and never saw a coach spaz out on another. Nor did I hear anyone spaz out on the headset during a game. Our HC might get fired up on occasion and maybe yell something over the headset like "Damnit John [O.C.] run the d*mn ball right down their throat" or " Damnit John [D.C] we gotta get some heat on 'em on third and long, S**T" That was the extent of it and I never thought any of that was personal or over the top in anyway. I have a buddy who’s a QCC at an SEC school and he told me people get their a$$ripped all the time. When I played D2 ball the second staff we got cussed us all the time. The DC used to reem the safeties coach in front of god and everyone. The strength/ dline coach who was a giant roided up a$&hole grabbed me from behind by my shoulder pads and threw me out of his way once. I’m fairly certain this stuff goes on more than you realize
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jul 24, 2018 12:16:42 GMT -6
Preach self-esteem and recognize your identity Wear 13 different wigs in 4 months I really didn't like her. She came off as a racist to me in that she basically played into every sterotype there is about blacks in education in the way that she viewed and treated those players. The other side of that is that I'm white and can't pretend to understand how the system is set up to be harmful to black people. I don't have a problem with her acknowledging systemic problems, but that is ALL that she would ever talk about. My wife said the same thing
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jul 23, 2018 13:00:52 GMT -6
In regards to the language: I think "not being offended by it" and accepting it from the face of your organization are two different things. If I was on this guy's staff and he was MF this and MF that in meetings, it wouldn't bother me much at all. But if I was the President of the school and was out at practice and heard him MF this and MF that, I would find it unacceptable. You may recall a scene where there were town's people out watching practice in lawn chairs and blankets...men, women, children. If he is MFing in front of people like that, I would be embarrassed to be part of his staff and if I was the President, I definitely wouldn't accept it. And I know, he is winning and bringing all sorts of attention to the school. But if Im that President, I'm having a hard time looking in the mirror right now if I'm allowing this circus to go on. I get what you’re saying on a professional/moral standpoint but bottom line to school presidents IS the bottom line. This guy probably brings in the money and now that they are winning and on Netflix he will bring in more money. Money talks and bullchit walks
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jul 23, 2018 11:57:16 GMT -6
murdr was so entertaining I really miss him. Where did he go? Wound up homeless? I miss him but at the same time I’m glad he’s gone. He was a small doses type of poster.
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jul 23, 2018 5:36:07 GMT -6
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha @grad17 you are clearly the most talented troll to ever type on the huey boards. I think you even beat murdr 's run of talking about going homeless, and then saying that men's pens are important status symbols. You have to be a troll, because the alternative is just too terrifying. murdr was so entertaining
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jul 22, 2018 16:45:54 GMT -6
There’s some disturbing aspects of the show. The cussing in general really doesn’t bother me. It’s just a tool in his delivery system. It’s not how I communicate but it does seem genuine. I feel like he would talk the same way to his mother or pastor or anyone. That being said here are some issues I had with the show: First: Yelling about how he’s “not going to suck their d’s.” Any the current climate any communication with sexual link probably isn’t smart. Second: When he talks about choking out the Garden City coach and kind of bragging about it to his team seems inappropriate. And more disturbing with that experience telling a player that he is going to choke him out seems a little dangerous. Third: This is about the show in general. I really didn’t like all of the times they air behind closed door conversation. I am sure the producers have a contract that allows them to play anything but if you are going to have real relationships as a team then then there has to be a boundary somewhere. I think the craziest thing is Brown and some of the players have goals to move onto the next level, but how does someone take a shot on them with this on their resume? The hot tub scenes are hilarious though...maybe the hardest I have laughed watching anything on television literally in years. The sucking d!ck thing to me falls under just his language and how he conducts himself. The threat of violence is really the only issue I had with Brown. Other than him turning everything into something about himself.
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jul 22, 2018 5:09:31 GMT -6
Just finished. 1. The more I watch this the more I dislike the QB coach... he just comes across so fake and whiny 2. The QB can’t control himself at moments but I actually feel bad for him... when you see how his dad talks and has taken control of him you actually start to feel bad for him. He has so much pressure on him and doesn’t seem like he ever got to be a kid 3. I don’t know how you can watch this and not like the head coach... yes he’s off the hook. Yes he’s arrogant. Yes he appears underprepared each game... but he’s always been successful and most of what he’s saying is actually right... he doesn’t always express it in the most eloquent way... but for the most part he’s right I have a problem with guys who keep long hair and go into a professional setting. I’m saying this having been a guy in college with long hair and wore sandals everywhere. I have nothing against the look but once you step into a grownups world it’s time to leave certain things behind. Plus he was wearing his sunglasses during a night game in the second episode...come on man Edit: I also have a problem with 40 year olds still wearing their frat/sorority letters around. The only day it’s acceptable is when it’s a reunion day most Greek organizations have on homecoming. Otherwise all I see is the guy showing up to high school parties wearing his letter jacket from 1985
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jul 21, 2018 20:26:32 GMT -6
Do you think cooks have a message board somewhere and they b!tch about Gordon Ramsey treating cooks like $hit?
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jul 21, 2018 20:09:45 GMT -6
Saban has been caught on multiple occasions chewing out assistants. I’m sure it happens everywhere in some form. Maybe not yelling but you can quietly tell a guy you think he’s doing a $hitty job. I agree. However, I do think there is a huge difference between doing it quietly, and doing it so that everyone else sees you doing it. Agreed, but it’s his team and that’s his style. If the asst. didn’t like it they could go somewhere else. I’m not saying it right I’m not saying it’s wrong but I am saying it’s his team and he seems to be doing an ok job
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jul 21, 2018 18:56:16 GMT -6
I have spent my entire career coaching in really small rural schools. I have never had a HC speak to me the way Coach Brown at ICC speaks to his assistants. How common is this at the upper levels of football? Does Saban, Harbaugh, Swinney, Meyer, Richt, Smart, Dantonio, etc, etc, speak to assistants like this? Saban has been caught on multiple occasions chewing out assistants. I’m sure it happens everywhere in some form. Maybe not yelling but you can quietly tell a guy you think he’s doing a $hitty job.
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jul 21, 2018 11:33:41 GMT -6
He says “I” more than any coach I have ever seen. “Mother phucker said I couldn’t coach!” After a big big win over GC. Fun fact- we sent a kid to Garden City and while they portray the GC coach as the Good guy, IMO. Our kid said he is the exact same as Buddy or Coach Brown I'm not surprised. I took an instant dislike to that guy. The GC coach or ICC coach?
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jul 21, 2018 6:28:17 GMT -6
He says “I” more than any coach I have ever seen. “Mother phucker said I couldn’t coach!” After a big big win over GC. Fun fact- we sent a kid to Garden City and while they portray the GC coach as the Good guy, IMO. Our kid said he is the exact same as Buddy or Coach Brown I'm on episode 4, and in all fairness haven't seen him coach a damn thing. Who knows what gets cut out though. You don’t have to coach if they believe in you according to him
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jul 21, 2018 6:03:56 GMT -6
Started Episode 3. HC is a clown & the Henry kid from FSU is an olympic level D-bag. The QB coach wearing his ray-bans to night games is my favorite storyline so far. Time to revisit and possibly add to the d-bag coach thread. He says “I” more than any coach I have ever seen. “Mother phucker said I couldn’t coach!” After a big big win over GC. Fun fact- we sent a kid to Garden City and while they portray the GC coach as the Good guy, IMO. Our kid said he is the exact same as Buddy or Coach Brown
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jul 20, 2018 19:07:52 GMT -6
This is an influence on public opinion on the coaching profession and football, yet Fedora thinks losing these things will ruin the country? This is a “not so serious” thread...please don’t ruin it
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jul 20, 2018 17:49:59 GMT -6
I’m on ep. 4 and me and my wife are enjoying it. He has bad language but he isn’t like Buddy where he is abusive towards the players.
edit: nevermind on the abusive to players thing
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jul 19, 2018 15:44:03 GMT -6
If you take cutting out you could pretty much say goodbye to the flexbone
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jul 14, 2018 18:40:21 GMT -6
Basketball coaches are the worst. Baseball is right behind. Every other sport promotes multi-sport athletes. I have never had any problems with baseball coaches. Partly because I was the baseball coach at 2 schools, 1 the guy was also a football coach and now we just don’t share that many with the guy so it’s not a huge problem. Basketball coaches annoy me more than any other breed though. It’s truly the whinyest coaching showcase on the planet
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jul 14, 2018 14:40:53 GMT -6
Either I’m the AD ornthe AD is a former football coach IMO Without being argumentative, is there any reason why? Do basketball,baseball, soccer coaches say "you know what, if the AD is a HC it is a deal breaker?" I personally don’t care what they think cause this is what is a deal breaker for me. I wouldn’t take a HC job at a school with a basketball AD because 99% of the time it’s a basketball school and that’s what the community and school care about. It has been discussed on here ad nauseam that basketball coaches don’t see the benefits of a full year weightlifting program for all sports female and male. I could make an exception if I personally know the AD and we have a similar philosophy about running a program. All that being said I have never disliked any of the basketball coaches I have worked with(until this year)but I would work for none as an AD.
|
|
|
Post by CS on Jul 14, 2018 14:17:25 GMT -6
Or baseball. Just about as bad. So what is more common? Not a coach at all? Because I am sure equal disdain would be expressed for any women's sport coach as well... Either I’m the AD ornthe AD is a former football coach IMO
|
|