I miss when you could actually learn stuff here

Is it possible that all the pragmatic material's been used up?

I agree with this post. I think the problem is from a pretty vocal minority, but would definitely say civility is dying here.

Maybe we should agree that if we don't have anything productive to contribute, that we can just keep scrolling?

That isn't to say that we can't debate a topic, but we should do it with some civility. I've read a few posts with guys getting heated at each other. It's just a football forum, guys. There's nothing here to get fired up about.

I just try to ignore that stuff.

same! Invaluable resource!

. Maybe the problem is that you don't have the secret decoder ring.

REgarding the ongoing thread the OP is probably referencing, I have a slightly different perspective. I am enjoying reading the whiteboard war, I just think that often coaches are just not doing a good job explaining things or presenting their side. I also think (and commented) that lots of the bickering stems from lingo. There is an undertone in that particular thread of when someone explains how they play "x" the counter argument is "no, that is not "x" that is "y"

 I had breakfast with Nick this morning and he told me he hasnt used nail since they had a carpentry accident building a scaffold in Miami. They use nail. With a period. If you dont use the period you dont know the scheme.

I don't know if they are necessarily a waste, but your sentiments seem to be accurate.  What is terribly humorous about the current chalk thread is reading a bunch of "you can't do that" posts directed at coaches who (presumably) are indeed doing 'that' and having success.  

Maybe I am optimistically naive, but I find it hard to believe that a coach would argue back and forth about something like that anonymously simply to save face as opposed to recognizing a potential fix for a problem being had.   

But how well is it working and why? When you play a GOOD team with a GOOD OC that “it works for us” stuff doesn’t work. Or with really good players it doesn’t work if you’re not doing things correctly.

On a board full of vets you would think that point would be understood and encouraged

You kind of just glossed over the "it's working" part and naturally assumed it was only working because of weak opponents or coaching.  Why?  

You would think on a board full of vets, it would be understood and encouraged that other's may be have a solution as well. 

That said, I absolutely understand what you posted.  My point (and again, maybe I am optimistically naive) is that if as you put it, things didn't work against good teams with good OCs, then a coach wouldn't be furiously arguing that it does but rather would say "Hmm... that might be why we are having some trouble"  

Ultimate, in this particular case (2 read thread) I really think half of the bickering is that adjustments are being made, and some coaches want to clamor "THAT ISN'T 2 READ THEN" and other coaches are saying "eh, we teach it as 2 read..whatever".   I could be wrong. 

You could call it assuming and I’m not saying they don’t have success with what they do. Same as the guy with f D1 receivers running 4 verts as their base play because they can. It works for them.

I coach at a place that has “dudes” and we can’t do some things that some of these guys are claiming to be able to do. So one could only assume that they have freaks or they play against inferior talent.

I could also argue that the mix up of information isn’t coming from those correcting but the ones being corrected. 2 read is a pretty universal term with certain rules that go along with it. You don’t come on here and spout off nonsense that “works for you” as the rules for 2 read.

If you want to argue that the problem is in the verbiage than we can’t have people come on here saying an adjustment they made in their situation is 2 read and expect everyone to agree

Winning state doesn’t make you schematically right. It just means you won a state title

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That is true. No doubt. But you are now talking out both sides of your mouth. One minute it is all that stuff works and then when you get to week 11+ against great coaches, etc. So you better know what you are doing. The next minute, it is the team with the best athletes.

Also, while Saban is the best coach in the land - no doubt in my mind, and possibly the best ever, the BEST thing he does is recruit. He always has the best players and deepest team. Maybe we shouldn't be listening to him.

Scheme matters. Exectution matters more. Players matter even more. And some coaches are so damn smart, they know when not to outscheme themselves by trying to outscheme the other team and be in the perfect play call. They use their talent and execution and don't worry about a 5 yard hitch or 5 yard rpo that they know the other team isn't going to beat them with consistently.