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Post by option1 on Jul 22, 2017 6:56:14 GMT -6
Sometimes not enough. Theres more to strategy than x's and o's.
Along the lines of being a coordinator but running the HC system, the coordinator has a title and is a puppet.
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Post by option1 on Jul 22, 2017 6:38:20 GMT -6
I'm wondering if some posters here think heaven is unobtainable bc of foul language. It's a no win situation in many aspects. The entire system enables all of the players and coaches actions. I'd like to see a permanent ban from the NCAA for specific and multiple violations. Attitudes would change from the top down in all phases. Maybe there should be an alternative means to conceive the desired product. Education is the last thing on many of the players and coaches minds so why continuously dangle that carrot? An IMG Academy format on a trade level could work (see IMG Academy, Florida). What a farse to our HS education system. Anyway, The NFL could easily sponsor it and actually give back to society. Your not good enough to play in the NFL and not qualified or care about school, great, finish here and go be a fireman, electrician, serve in the military, etc. 1. I'm not in Heaven's Admissions Department so I won't comment. 2. What violations? 3. The NFL is a private enterprise. Why would they sponsor anything like that? 1. Just saying, there are several post citing hypocrisy. Many of them were referencing dropping F-bombs one mment and waiving a bible the next. 2. (1.) Any 3 strike violation (UGA player - Marijuana), (2.) Specific title 9 infractions. These types of things. I'm sorry but punching a female is not a "stupid mistake". Oh, it was alcohol related, and your under age? Well there's 3 violations right there, you're done anyway! 3. This could be a long answer, but in short, because the NFL is a private enterprise. Aren't private enterprises profit seeking by way of the best product possible? I think we can all agree that there are MANY, MANY athletes that are not legitimate students. Why do they exist? Because the NCAA is looking for the best product also. For historical reasons and the draft rules the NCAA (college sports) is the NFL's R&D department. If college sports ceased to exist, do you think the NFL would close shop? No. Are they going to put 18 year old kids on the field? Not for the most part. I could go on but hopefully you see the point. The part of my original post about alternatives was in reference to other post suggesting something similar. By en large I believe everyone's "product" would be just fine without the few that tarnish the system. But that just begs the question of why bother with them to begin with. Does a kid who can't read on a HS level deserve paper from North Carolina, or anywhere for that matter? Why in the heck is there a sliding scale for athletes, among so many other exceptions? The answer is easily traceable and for the most part has nothing to do with "saving lives", or opportunity. IMO, there is a trickle down effect all the way to small ball parents and coaches. Last Chance U puts making the sausage on display and magnifies the inherent problems of the entire system.
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Post by option1 on Jul 22, 2017 5:21:08 GMT -6
I'm wondering if some posters here think heaven is unobtainable bc of foul language.
It's a no win situation in many aspects. The entire system enables all of the players and coaches actions. I'd like to see a permanent ban from the NCAA for specific and multiple violations. Attitudes would change from the top down in all phases.
Maybe there should be an alternative means to conceive the desired product. Education is the last thing on many of the players and coaches minds so why continuously dangle that carrot? An IMG Academy format on a trade level could work (see IMG Academy, Florida). What a farse to our HS education system. Anyway, The NFL could easily sponsor it and actually give back to society. Your not good enough to play in the NFL and not qualified or care about school, great, finish here and go be a fireman, electrician, serve in the military, etc.
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Post by option1 on Jul 22, 2017 4:49:03 GMT -6
We have rescheduled for the spring and the course we use offers vouchers. The only thing affected is the golf so we do our thing on the 19th hole and make the decision there.
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Post by option1 on Jul 22, 2017 4:43:10 GMT -6
Who's allowed to have 2 a days anymore? But yes, we always have the tub ready. Several players take advantage after each practice.
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Post by option1 on Jul 21, 2017 14:02:41 GMT -6
I reference Madden when talking about routes, even though I don't play Video games but I know my players do, and they surprisingly can relate some route combos that way. So do I! I frequently have to remind them that "this ain't phuggin Madden! You can't compete out here with your thumbs!" I know what you mean though. The last football video game I played was Tecmo Bowl but apparently some of our calls share a name with plays from Madden. I'll tell them x is called so and so which is followed by players response of "ooooh dats my $h!t from Madden boy, we gonna be raw!"
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Post by option1 on Jul 21, 2017 8:16:30 GMT -6
Yes, but it is taught TO them in this manner (for the most part it's not "independent study"): 1. Do the "WHO" (assignment) and "WHY" (theory of play) in the classroom, and the "HOW" (to execute) on the field. 2. Classroom sessions in which players "SEE" it on film, "HEAR" coaches talk about it, and "WRITE" it down. Players write their own playbooks (Coaches will take them up & grade them). 3. Written tests (on playbooks). 4. Players go on the field & doing it over and over until it becomes "rote". 5. Film segments of practice. Coaches make up a sheet of "Correctable Mistakes" from those films to discuss with players in the film session. Corrected at next practice. 6. Players get "Tip" Sheet for each opponent. 7. Players have HUDL. ETC. Written tests? What is an example question? What if you have guys that bomb it? I don't do written test anymore, although there is a "quiz" reminder during pre-game meals on Friday. When I did give "test" the questions were general alignment communication, coverage rules, etc. There were no "if-then" scenarios or "where do you fit vs. power". Questions were "what is your rule in cover 4?" The answer had to be 8x1 alignment, 21 reads, all of 1 vertical. I might ask "if you hear scoot from the safety, what do you do?", answer was slide over 1 gap. Our Friday stuff is just formation gameplan checks. I give them a formation they give me the check. I found there was a direct correlation to "bombed" test and player mistakes, even if they were kids that had to play for us. I used to kinda rub it in their face a little by saying something like "not surprised you blew the call since you also answered it wrong on the test." I stopped doing that because, well it never made any difference. I have my own "hit chart" for practice now. We have things scripted in order to get a certain amount of correct reps for the week. Used to be more random and although we definitely practiced what we should be doing I felt I needed a system to quantify the possibility for success/failure. If it's a gameplan coverage, check, pressure, etc and we don't hit that number in practice we don't run it. If we're not even close by Wed. it is scrapped. Aside from base, which has it's own check system, I go into a game with 6 or less calls.
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Post by option1 on Jul 16, 2017 15:25:45 GMT -6
I did a defense only highlight from last season. Put some of the music they like and a couple animations. They watch the ch!t out of that.
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Post by option1 on Jul 14, 2017 10:20:51 GMT -6
Oh man, I got a new pair of Nike Experience RN 6 yesterday. They come in extra wide so couldn't pass em' up. Like little pillows on my feet.
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Post by option1 on Jul 14, 2017 5:16:05 GMT -6
Last year I wore some Nike Roshes and they weren't new but the kids thought they still looked good. It had rained all day and they were furious I had ruined them. I wear them every practice now. This thread is making me consider getting a couple cheap pair though to rotate. I'm a younger dude but I don't know where that culture disconnect is that I have regarding shoes came from. Like I wear shoes cuz I need em ya know? Why would you wear shoes youre worried about getting ruined? And why would that style be athletic ya know? Like I aint gonna where dress shoes on the field but this new age of "fancy athletic" shoes i kinda just dont get. But I do have a pair of black Jordans that I wear with a button up when I go out sometimes. Im confused is what i'm trying to say. Lucky Luciano - "Ya know, a funny thing about Dutch..." "He buy's his suits off the rack at Wannamakers." Bumpy Johnson - "If you don't know, you don't know."
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Post by option1 on Jul 13, 2017 5:54:03 GMT -6
^ LOL
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Post by option1 on Jul 13, 2017 5:43:41 GMT -6
I asked our kids about some of these shoes at practice yesterday. They tried to give me up downs and sent me to offense. Seriously.
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Post by option1 on Jul 10, 2017 9:49:09 GMT -6
Boombahs are nice and not too expensive. I look for a shoe that is comfortable but also durable. I like something with a little bit of protection around the top if I get stepped on. So.....not Nike Free or that Fly Mesh stuff. I like those shoes but not on the practice field. Last year I wore Adidas Speed Trainers for games and practice and also had another pair of Nike's on reserve. Boombah all the way. To me the perfect combination of comfort, durability and price. You can get a great pair of turf shoes that will last at least 3 seasons for less than $50. Can't beat it! Oh and while I'm providing free promotion for them they sell a good football cleat for around $30. Great option for kids who aren't able to afford them (or kids like my son who can afford them but his dad is a cheap ahole who refuses to pay more money for a logo). Someone is gonna call protective services on you.
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Post by option1 on Jul 7, 2017 15:33:10 GMT -6
Great thread! I say quite a few of these, just not often. I also follow with coaching points. Another post mentioned it but I have really been trying to coach from the affirmative. That said, I do believe in pointing out what was wrong. Instead of " don't lunge", I'd say "you're lunging" and follow with a coaching point. I used to be bad about "let's go" and addressing a group as "gentlemen", Friday Night Tykes broke me of that ch!t quick.
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Post by option1 on Jul 7, 2017 15:11:38 GMT -6
Did anyone give the HC a heads-up? I'm not seeing a logical progression here.
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Post by option1 on Jul 7, 2017 15:08:09 GMT -6
IDK, we've had a few moms that were MORE than welcome to hang around as long as they wanted.
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Post by option1 on Jul 7, 2017 15:01:49 GMT -6
At the school I will be teaching at next year, we get to pick two electives to teach and one of the classes I picked was Future Coaches of America. I am thinking of teaching the following concepts in the class -How to gain information on your sport -How to create a budget -Strength and conditioning -Have coaches speak to the class and also the AD -Sports Psychology I was wondering if anyone had other ideas I could teach in this class. It will be at the middle school level and it will mainly have 7th graders in it. These are 13 year olds. All of these ideas are great but these are kids. You need to have them doing things. Maybe you could have them do some equipment maintenance (Tools + football stuff). Hands-on first aid could work. Teaching rules is a good idea but I think it'd be best in an on-field setting. The more hands-on you can do outside of a classroom the better. I love this! Technical and career skills.
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Post by option1 on Jul 7, 2017 14:56:44 GMT -6
Darn, I need to move where some of ya'll are!
I like the economic and psychology aspect of your plan. I teach economics and we always use a "what should Jimmy and Joe play" to teach absolute and comparative advantage.
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Post by option1 on Jul 7, 2017 14:51:57 GMT -6
My most comfortable shoes are Brooks and New Balance, but dat chit don't match my coaching gear. Nike Winflo, Free Run, Pegasus, and Structure series are all great! The Structure series probably has the most support but can start to feel stiff on the bottom. I have wide feet.
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Post by option1 on Jul 7, 2017 14:41:33 GMT -6
I am not a big fan of chalkboard installs, mental reps, and things of that nature; I don't think there is as strong of a correlation between those things and what they do on the field to spend a lot of time on it. Some time, yes, but I have worked with coaches who behave as if a kid should be able to execute something simply because there was an X with a line drawn from it. If we are what we repeatedly do, and football is won by the players who best execute rather than those who best remember what was drawn up, then I'd rather have them spend their football related time DOing those things they need to DO on the field. Of course this is all relative typing because maybe my 'little bit' is more than another man's 'a lot'. To be more specific I expect them to study films anytime we are doing it as a whole (which is usually an hour review on Saturday's and a 35 minute install on Monday). I expect them to study their scouting packet as we go over it as a team, and to be ready to correctly answer any major tendency question I have in there. So however much they need to study to do that is on them- (but I doubt its more than 10 min all told). That being written, I know there are some coaches who are big on film as a way to prepare kids for college ball. If your concern is preparing your kids to be in a college program (where they emphasize film work) then you should probably mandate and punish. Good post! I tend to agree with you on most aspects. I try to find a balance. I certainly do expect them to execute based on chalk talk. However, I often find myself standing in 100 + degree heat coaching elements of the game that I believe could be learned elsewhere. For example, we installed a cover 3 variation last week. Two days prior to field install I sent out basic alignment and rules as a Hudl install. Then sent out a brief video that repeated some of the Hudl info and showed game clip examples to put on our YouTube channel. Minimum expectation was to be familiar with the call and how to align. Nope! I'm by myself so we spend about 10 mins of rep time covering the basics. I do believe in mental reps. I think the more formations, runs and patterns they see the more everything else becomes instinctive. Still, we don't expect them to execute soley based on that. You make a great point about college prep. I do bring that up occasionally but I don't beat them over the head with it.
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Post by option1 on Jul 7, 2017 13:48:54 GMT -6
I've read lots of differing opinions and ideas about giving players playbooks, etc. But to what extent do you expect that your players will study all, or any of the resources available to them? To what extent does this knowledge of your players "attitude" have a role in in your gameplan and preparation for them? Do you punish players if they don't look at what you give them? We do a ton of stuff to try and give our kids a chance. We have supplied them with computers to access videos and information on hudl. We give it to them on paper in the event they don't have internet. We get permanent library passes approved by admin. We post daily information around the locker room. We even carry white boards/press boards on the practice field so they can get visual mental reps if they're not in. They do not study! I don't expect them to do it all at once but I do ask them to put in 5-10 mins a day. I tell them if they sleep, eat, and ch!t then they have 5-10 mins a day to show they care about what we're trying to do. This has really got to me this summer. Stuff like watching an average of 20% of a 7 minute video has been the standard so far. I put installs on Hudl and a handful of 37 players will even open it. Positive is I haven't had to spend money on the rewards offered I think I'm going to put a playbook up at the school locker room .5 mile away and every time there's a busted assignment I'm gonna make them jog up to the school and then come back and recite the rule before they can go back in. I wish we had less talented players that studied their butts off to use as example and threaten the better players playing time but those kids are just as bad or worse. FWIW, we are not a next man in type of place. We go from using 7-8 two way players to be competitive down to being obliterated with subs in. IDK, rant over...
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Post by option1 on Jan 27, 2017 11:13:18 GMT -6
Yes, and you are also describing kids that won't play period in most cases. I'm talking about the kids you have starting and playing in whatever system you employ. I also agree that you aren't going to take a 6'4" gunslinger and force him to play as an option QB in the flexbone. We are referencing 2 different concepts. 18 hours ago option1 said: I'm talking about the generalization that a scheme cannot be run because of the types of players. It is referenced often and several times on this thread. For example, in terms of covering ground, a D1 defender needs to occupy an area quickly because the other guy is also a D1 athlete. Not so much at the HS level. this is what you said. scheme and generalization. now your back tracking on what you said. I am answering your question. if you said something different, please tell us. and those guys that wont play, you must work at a super star 22 D1 or D2 school kids, because we all have some kids that cant catch, cant block, not fast and they still see some time on the field. at least at my school now, and every school i have ever coached at, we have sat at the meeting room table and tried to figure out how to get billy off the field, but bobby and johnny behind him are worse. at least billy has heart.... Not back tracking, explaining as there seems to be a misunderstanding. Fantom and blb didn't seem to have an issue. Simply, I'm not going to discount something that might help our team because when Alabama does it their kid is moving at a faster rate than mine. This is all within reason of course and your points are valid. Thanks
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Post by option1 on Jan 27, 2017 10:46:00 GMT -6
Most of your examples are to the extreme side. lol uh ok when i say cant catch, i should have said statistically he drops more than he catches. or cant throw should be, he misses a lot of wide open wr on short, medium and long routes. he does a great hand off, but cant throw bubble screen very accurately. his drop back footwork is decent, but to throw a slant is a struggle. those arent extreme, those are real examples. if kid cant throw well, you dont run a passing offense. but maybe he is a runner or can option pitch the ball. is that too extreme too? wr cant catch well, but man he can cover. he should be a DB. oline are small, maybe power isnt a good offense, but maybe angle blocks(wing t type down blocking) or option blocking (5 blocking 4 or 3) is more realistic. skill is or should be relative to scheme. Yes, and you are also describing kids that won't play period in most cases. I'm talking about the kids you have starting and playing in whatever system you employ. I also agree that you aren't going to take a 6'4" gunslinger and force him to play as an option QB in the flexbone. We are referencing 2 different concepts.
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Post by option1 on Jan 27, 2017 8:54:58 GMT -6
I'm talking about the generalization that a scheme cannot be run because of the types of players. It is referenced often and several times on this thread. For example, in terms of covering ground, a D1 defender needs to occupy an area quickly because the other guy is also a D1 athlete. Not so much at the HS level. i dont think this is a generalization, i think its fact. kids cant catch, why you throwing the ball? qb cant throw, same thing. you dont run read option with a frail qb, that wont make the read or cant run/take a hit. you dont run I formation pound the rock, with small OL kids, no fullback etc. so yes skill is relative to scheme. square peg round hole philosophy. you change O/D to fit your kids. dont force it, it wont work. maybe in spurts, but in the long term no. Most of your examples are to the extreme side.
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Post by option1 on Jan 26, 2017 17:12:38 GMT -6
Does anybody believe talent/skill level is relative? Maybe. I look at every idea and see it I can adapt it to our situation. Sometimes I can sometimes I can't. Agreed. I'm not sure football would exist at all if every player had to be a prototype for specific positions.
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Post by option1 on Jan 26, 2017 15:59:22 GMT -6
Does anybody believe talent/skill level is relative?
Relative to what?
If you're talking about age-experience (HS compared to college, or college to professional), then no.
I'm talking about the generalization that a scheme cannot be run because of the types of players. It is referenced often and several times on this thread. For example, in terms of covering ground, a D1 defender needs to occupy an area quickly because the other guy is also a D1 athlete. Not so much at the HS level.
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Post by option1 on Jan 26, 2017 15:41:54 GMT -6
Does anybody believe talent/skill level is relative?
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Post by option1 on Jul 29, 2016 9:33:16 GMT -6
So one of our assistant coaches has started wearing long sleeves to practice claiming that keeping the sun off his skin keeps him cooler. I'm calling bull. Do long sleeves really keep you cooler? IDK, hot is hot. However, I feel like it's being in the shade. It's still hot, but the sun isn't beating directly on the covered skin.
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Post by option1 on Jul 13, 2016 14:18:11 GMT -6
I could only fine Hanes X-Temp on-line for $8.99, plus shipping. No local stores carry them. They usually don't get on the shelves in Walmart until "winter" here in Florida.
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Post by option1 on Jul 11, 2016 4:57:16 GMT -6
Great responses! As a coordinator I've only had one coach insist I do things his way. I didn't really have an issue with it other than I didn't understand what the heck he wanted half the time. He was a GA under a very successful big time coach and had held a couple of other small college jobs. If I asked questions he approached it more as I was questioning him. I lasted one season but we remain friends. Currently we have a mixed group and I coach DB's. We have many of the issues I posted in the OP and it becomes cumbersome to deal with. If I go to the boss he is good about addressing it. I will say I did have to take the DL from him 2 years ago
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