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Post by vince148 on May 6, 2015 15:48:00 GMT -6
My general rule would be. That if a coach comes to me and says "you should run our stuff...it would really help..yadada"... My response is I want a document signed by the AD that promises you will be the head coach and running the EXACT same system 8 years in the future... It never happens. Coaches need to treat MS level as it's own level and not pre-freshman. I wonder what some of you would do if the Local JC/Uni came down and said "you know we like recruiting from your school...itd really help out if you would run our stuff..." I would love that...But I haven't found a HC that would allow that yet.
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Post by vince148 on May 2, 2015 10:10:46 GMT -6
I coach MS. We try to do what the Varsity does. Communication is the real problem. If they want us to help them, they have to make the time to help us. It's that simple. By running their stuff with their terms, we're helping them out long term. In the short term, they need to make it a biger priority to help us. After all, we aren't on their payroll and we aren't beholden to them for anything. I'm glad to help. I'm not glad to have to trot all over trying to make life easier on the HC or OC or DC when it's their desire that we all be on the same page. I'm happy enough just coaching what I know best, rather than what they want. Too often, our various HCs have been big on inviting us to their summer workouts/meetings/practices instead of just sitting down and explaining their scheme stuff. I get the collegiality thing--that's a nice intention. But I end up hearing about all kinds of formations, plays, and adjustments that we'll never need or have the opportunity to perfect. What the Varsity needs to compete isn't what we need. They're getting to 11 on 11 in June; we'll see our kids in August. They'll play until November; we're done mid-October. They might easily get 60-70 offensive snaps a game; we average 27. It's different. I shouldn't have to take hours out of my summer on multiple occasions to sort through someone else's system for what we need at our level. You want me to use it, fine. Then you sit down with me and teach it. They also like to say they'll run our football camp for us to help us install everything their way. They normally show up for a day or maybe two and then disappear, leaving us to do our best for the rest of it. Well, although getting stances right is cool and all, we'd kinda like some help with the actual mechanics of running the option because that's a pretty hard install when it's not your preference to use it. Bottom line: Be honest with the lower level guys. Sit them down, teach it to them. If you say you're going to help them, then do it. Don't make them come to you when it's you wanting their help. This was our biggest problem. The HC gave us a playbook of basic wing-t plays, but never gave us an install plan. Never sat down with us. Never told us his expectations. Never taught us anything. And since he was having his own issues at the varsity level, we just changed things.
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Post by vince148 on Apr 30, 2015 4:43:48 GMT -6
I'm going to chime in from a different perspective. A couple of years ago, I coached MS for our HS team. We were running wing-t. That's what the HC wanted and we tried. Meanwhile, the varsity was getting their butts handed to them going 1-8. We were also getting manhandled. I was not the HC of the MS team, but me and that HC decided that we needed to do something different. So I installed power-I and ran it for two games. The first game we ran it, we were consistent moving the ball and actually made first downs. The final game, we won 7-0, scoring with less than two minutes left in the game. We finished 1-5.
At review time, the HC was not happy that I changed from wing-t and I did not get rehired. I know that this was my fault and there is no one else to blame. However, my concern was for the morale of the kids. Despite the fact that I drilled pulling and everything else, they just couldn't get it. I switched to basically a man and half-ass zone scheme and just allowed them to be physical. It worked much better. And the kids to this day tell me that they liked that much better. But they don't do the hiring.
So while I tend to agree that MS should focus more on the fundamentals, you still have to be mindful of what the HC wants. But I believe that the HC must give some tolerance if the MS coaches feel that the system may be too complicated that they risk the development of fundamentals.
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Post by vince148 on Feb 8, 2015 7:55:00 GMT -6
All coaches have to start somewhere. I started 5 years ago in youth ball. Didn't know much. I was asked to be DC of that youth team. Loved the 85 Bear defense, so found what I could and installed it to the best of my ability at that time. Following year I became HC of the jv youth team. Kept studying. Had lots more to learn, but I jumped in with a little more knowledge than I had the year before. Kept asking questions on forums like this. Mahonz has answered hundreds of my questions. This past season, I coached JV at the HS level. I'm still learning. I still have a long way to go. One day, I do want to be HC at a HS. I do something to study football EVERY day. Whether it's xs and os, looking at drills that I can use, making practice plans, borrowing books from the library. I do it because I love the game and I love working with the kids. I love that I can do something that can help a kid become a better person.
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Post by vince148 on Dec 25, 2014 12:07:20 GMT -6
Yeah, I'm the OP. I had to click on something to see the poll.
But of the other 3 that voted on "0 or Youth Ball", I am interested in how you were able to get a HS HC position. Please feel free to PM me.
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Post by vince148 on Dec 20, 2014 17:56:20 GMT -6
Vince Lombardi for overall coaching. Gus Malzahn for offense. Buddy Ryan for defense.
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Post by vince148 on Dec 20, 2014 13:37:10 GMT -6
I'm not a HC. I just clicked n "0" so I can see my own poll.
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Post by vince148 on Dec 20, 2014 7:39:06 GMT -6
before you became a HS HC? To include anything from middle school up.
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Post by vince148 on Jul 13, 2014 17:22:06 GMT -6
I was in school from 71-75. Our weight room was a Universal Gym. I remember getting a workout sheet that at least had bench and military press. But that wasn't until my sophomore year. We started on September 1st. The usual cals and mile runs. We had 2-a-days. And when it was hot, we got trusty old salt tablets. My frosh year, we ran I. Sophomore, we changed to wishbone. In my junior and senior year, we ran T. We ran a 5-2 monster defense throughout. Believe it or not, the freshman practice field was just a short jaunt to a park behind the school, but we had to drag the dummies out every practice. The sophomore through varsity field was across town. I walked a mile to our practice field from school and another mile home every day. And that really sucked in the rain. Practices were from about 3:30 to 6:30.
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Post by vince148 on Apr 5, 2014 18:24:46 GMT -6
ZERO Equipment.
Here's some things I do with kids.
Warmups jumping jacks bwt squats walking lunges high leg kick side lunges A-skip backward skip with hip abduction high knees butt kicks carioca backward run cherry pickers puddle jumpers
Upper (can be done as regular set/reps or timed sets) shoulder push up close grip pushup clapping pushup straddle pushup spiderman pushup inchworm pushup partner towel rows towel isometric curls manual neck work
Lower glute bridges both legs glute bridges single leg plank with alt leg raise lunges tuck jumps bwt squat burpees step-ups jumping lunges calf raises (toes out, straight, in) crunches lying leg raises side planks
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Post by vince148 on Jun 25, 2013 9:05:04 GMT -6
any other info?
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Post by vince148 on Jun 21, 2013 10:57:12 GMT -6
I know that neck work helps. I'm looking for someone who has experience with them. Do they feel it's worth the investment?
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Post by vince148 on Jun 20, 2013 18:47:41 GMT -6
My league medical director has asked me to check into these. Does anyone have any experience with these? They are supposed to help reduce concussions. How are they applied? Do they need to be trimmed? Are they any better than what is currently out there? Pros and cons.
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Post by vince148 on Jun 13, 2013 14:20:07 GMT -6
Now that I'll be coaching 8th grade, it looks like there's a whole different set of issues in regards to practices. With the youth team, I only have about 14-17 kids. With 8th grade, it looks like we're going to have about 25-27 kids. Problem is, there are only two of us, myself and another coach. How do we structure indy times with more players and only 2 coaches?
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Post by vince148 on Jun 9, 2013 7:31:05 GMT -6
10 jumping jacks 10 bwt squats walking lunges 10 yards there high leg kick 10 yards back walking side lunge 5 yards switch 5 yards A-skip back backward skip with hip abduction 10 yards there high knees 10 yards there butt kicks 10 yards back carioca 10 yards there and back facing the same way backwards run short jog
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Post by vince148 on Jun 2, 2013 19:02:19 GMT -6
Which game are you talking about, deer hunter, hawaiin rules football?
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Post by vince148 on Mar 9, 2013 20:18:42 GMT -6
2 hours MW And a hour and ten minutes on Friday. Practice makes perfect, make sure every facet of the game of football is covered during your practice. Dont stretch, it wastes time, run to drills, always be up tempo and on the move. Monday practice 4-405 Warm ups(skill catching)(line doing 3 cone drill) 405-425 Offensive fundos 425-455 Team Offense 455-5 Water Break 500-515 D Fundos 515-535 Team D 535-540 Water Break 540-555 Situation (2 minute/4 minute/ 4th down conversion/etc) 555-600 Close Wednesday 400-405 Warmups 405-425 Team Drill O( Perfect plays/fit freeze/no huddle plays on air/ power hour(all power plays)/air raid(all passing plays) 425-455 Team O 455-500 Water Break 500-515 Team Drill D( Oklaholmas, splatter, formation adjustments, bull in the ring, etc) 515-535 Team D 535-540 Water Break 540-555 Special Team 555-6 Close Friday 400-405 WU 405-415 No Huddle plays on air 415-425 Offensive fundos 425-430 Water 430-440 Defensive Fundos 440-450 Alignment drills defense 450-505 Special Teams 505-515 Fun game that the kids choose. Coach, what does your Team O and Team D consist of? Are your fundos indy drills? How often do you go live?
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Post by vince148 on Dec 29, 2012 19:58:24 GMT -6
The GAM defense is basically the 10-1 defense, but uses different terminology. The other main difference is that the GAM mirrors the offensive formation, so in an unbalanced line you don't stay in a true 10-1 formation. GA Moore invented the 10-1. Kent State used the 10-1 back in the day in college and had a lot of success with it. Jack Reed formed his GAP-8 from the 10-1 and it is pretty similar, but designed for the lower youth levels. He later changed the GAP-8 to be called the Gap-Air-Mirror, but it was just a terminology change. The actual defense stayed the same. I know this is an old thread, but any idea who the Kent State coach was who ran this?
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Post by vince148 on Aug 15, 2012 12:57:17 GMT -6
With the first 3 days being no pads, what should your practices consist of to evaluate? Are games like sumo, deer hunter, towel and dummy relay races appropriate for that age group? I may be moving up to 8th grade from youth ball and I am trying to at least get my first 3 days no pads practice together. Practices are 2 hours long. Thanks.
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Post by vince148 on Apr 2, 2012 8:47:21 GMT -6
I spend more time on offense as well. It just seems like knowing the blocking schemes and assignments takes more time for kids to understand than teaching them defensive alignments and assignments..
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Post by vince148 on Jan 31, 2012 11:28:37 GMT -6
THeir DEs were certainly not boxing and unfortunately, from the angle of the video, it was hard to determine if they were lined up as 6 or 9 technique. But they did hit the TE before going into the backfield.
Against a straight T/wishbone with double tight, this was their base... .................H......F......H .........................Q .............E..T..G..C..G..T..E ....C......E.....T....N.....T.....E.....C .....................B.........B
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This is what it looked like with an I. .........................T .........................F ........W..............Q .............E..T..G..C..G..T..E ............E.....T....N.....T.....E.....C ...C................B.........B
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F was about 10 yards back. $ seemed like a rover. Against the 3 back look, it looked like he sometimes moved to the wide side of the field. With WRs, the corners seemed to play about the level of the LBers or deeper.
Anyway, I'd be interested in finding out more detail of their youth version.
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Post by vince148 on Jan 30, 2012 14:11:11 GMT -6
I want to take this in a little different direction, first, because we're talking about the 10-1/10-1 special, and secondly, in regards to youth ball. In my search for info about the 10-1, I came upon a few youtube video of peewee and 6th grade Celina teams.
As I watched the videos, what I noticed the most was that the defense was not was a typically thought of as the 10-1 special. There were very noticeable differences in alignment and play.
I only bring this up because I was always under the assumption, based on what I've read here and in other places, that the reason Celina was so good at the 10-1 was because they had been playing with it throughout their careers. However, after viewing the youth video, this does not seem to be the case. While there are definitely similarities with the 10-1 and 10-1 special, there are definite differences between the high school and youth versions of the 10-1.
And really, it doesn't matter. The 6th grade team has won some 54 games with a handful of losses and 4 titles over the past several years.
Which brings me to my point, how is the 10-1 scheme modified for the youth?
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Post by vince148 on Sept 1, 2011 12:02:11 GMT -6
Can someone point me in the direction of some good research on this as I've cut our warmups to about 10 minutes and I'm starting to get a little flack? I would recommend you reach out to Jack Gregory - dscreationsgregorydouble.homestead.com/index.htmlHe's done a lot of research and work on youth/adolescent physiology and how that applies to warming up and performance. He's got a bunch of alphabet stuff to - degrees and certifications. What he'll be able to give you is a lot of references and technical speak that will likely cause whoever is giving you flack's head to explode. It's hard to argue with a lot of technical words and citations that you don't understand that says you're dead wrong. If you're not going to be able to convince someone with anecdotes and common sense, baffle them with the buzzwords, LOL. Thanks. I can find a lot of articles about it, but I'm looking for the actual research references.
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Post by vince148 on Aug 31, 2011 19:52:03 GMT -6
Can someone point me in the direction of some good research on this as I've cut our warmups to about 10 minutes and I'm starting to get a little flack?
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Post by vince148 on Feb 22, 2011 11:54:30 GMT -6
"6 points for a TD and 2 points for the kick, therefore a 48-0 blowout (6-TD’s)" What? No, a point after a TD is 1 point. It would 6 TD's and two field goals to score 48 points Our league does this with the lower levels. I guess they figure at 8yo, it's easier to run for a PAT than kick, so the kick is worth more. I've been on both sides of this, mostly on the losing end. One of the rules our league has is that if you are within the 24-30 range, the losing team always gets the ball back, even after they score. One of the things I don't agree with is that the HC gets suspended for a game if the score exceeds the 30 points. As I sais, I have been on both sides of this discussion. I even tried to change it this offseason to no avail, at least not getting the HC suspended. I like the running clock idea. We do not employ that in our league. Our MPP is 10. However, there are several issues here. One thing that I brought up is how does suspending the coach benefit the team? How does that make the kids feel when they win, but their coach got suspended because they scored too much? What message does that send to the kids on the winning team? For the kids on the losing team, what do they learn. If the other team has to throttle back some by replacing players, does the other team learn anything? We had a couple of games where we were losing like 24-0 by the end of the first half, then held the team scoreless in the second half. Did my defense play better or did they go up against the MPPs thus making my kids think that they were better than they actually were? Again, a very sensitive issue. Psychologically, do kids that young really care what the final score is? Do they even remember? They just go back to being kids. Monday morning, it's as if they never even played. What about injury? Suppose the winning coach decides to put his heaviest guy who normally plays OT at FB. The kid runs and pulls a hamstring because he's playing a position that he shouldn't be in in the first place, but he's there because you have to rotate players. Not only that, but you all know that things can happen very quickly in youth ball. A kick off return, an interception returned for a TD, then a punt returned for a TD and it's 21-0 halfway through the first quarter. But now the leading coach can't run his regular offense and there's still 3 and a half quarters to go. How fair is that? And if they do score again, the HC gets suspended. I personally, don't know what the ideal solution would be. I'm only relating my experience based on our league. But evidently, this is a serious enough problem that needs to be addressed.
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Post by vince148 on Oct 14, 2010 12:32:53 GMT -6
Our kids just enjoy a good old fashioned streetball game...touch or tackle. We only have 16 kids and when we do it, only 12 showed up...so a good 6 on 6 game.
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Post by vince148 on Oct 13, 2010 14:16:12 GMT -6
I know our league is 25 points. The coach can be suspended for a game. Basically, you have to rotate players. The team leading by 25 points kicks off even after the losing team scores.
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Post by vince148 on Aug 17, 2010 18:57:38 GMT -6
Thank you for the replies. Like I said, I was leaning toward just keeping quiet unless asked. Now, I have another problem. See new thread.
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Post by vince148 on Aug 17, 2010 5:58:10 GMT -6
The youth coaches were given about 6 wing-T plays, 4 runs and 2 passes to use for this season. Last season all the youth teams did poorly, one win amongst 3 teams.
I'm a new assistant coach and feel like I have some good ideas to contribute. I would like to incorporate some spread formation plays. However, being new, I'm trying to take an honorable approach by just holding my tongue until someone asks me if there is anything that I can contribute.
Is this the best way to handle this? My old nature might say something like, "Hey coach, I have some plays that I've been working on. If you ever want to take a look at them and see if there's anything that you might want to use, let me know."
Like I said, this is my first year, so I'm trying to take a more humble approach. What would you suggest?
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