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Post by silkyice on Oct 30, 2023 6:05:09 GMT -6
In general,
90% of all players will be perform, compete, and be “tough enough”, if they 1) get as strong and fast as they can 2) get in shape 3) know what to do 4) and know how to do it
Take any of those 4 away and you start to run into major problems.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 26, 2023 14:53:33 GMT -6
So how is this recorded. 44 comes in a and wraps up ball carrier and holds on to his leg for a good couple of yards but never stops his progress. Ball carrier spins and 44 keeps hanging on the his leg. 20 comes in and hits bc pretty good stopping his progress, but knocking 44 off of the bc. 52 comes in and brings the guy down. Does 44 get nothing? Cause if so, I don't like it. Especially if 44 was going to get the bc down if 20 and 52 never showed up. Of course that is subjective, but let's say it is true in the case. or maybe a simpler case. Same thing, 44 holds on for 5 seconds and the bc eventually breaks free and then the whole freaking team tackles the bc because 44 held on for so long. Again, does 44 get nothing? 44 gets an "atta boy" from you his coach for the effort. But you yourself said he never stopped BC's progress in either case. Also - in your first scenario, how does 44 "wrap up" the BC if he's "hold(ing) on to his leg"? In your second, if 44's "hold(ing) on for 5 seconds" if he stopped BC's progress whistle would've been blown. He just went for a ride waiting for the Thundering Herd to arrive. Slowing a BC down is not stopping his forward progress and therefore not making a tackle. Right. So 44 is the one who really made the plays, and got nothing. Which is all ok really in my book. I dislike stats, especially football defensive stats. This is also why college coaches don't care about high school stats. AT ALL.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 26, 2023 13:52:41 GMT -6
So how is this recorded.
44 comes in a and wraps up ball carrier and holds on to his leg for a good couple of yards but never stops his progress. Ball carrier spins and 44 keeps hanging on the his leg. 20 comes in and hits bc pretty good stopping his progress, but knocking 44 off of the bc. 52 comes in and brings the guy down.
Does 44 get nothing? Cause if so, I don't like it. Especially if 44 was going to get the bc down if 20 and 52 never showed up. Of course that is subjective, but let's say it is true in the case.
or maybe a simpler case.
Same thing, 44 holds on for 5 seconds and the bc eventually breaks free and then the whole freaking team tackles the bc because 44 held on for so long. Again, does 44 get nothing?
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Post by silkyice on Oct 25, 2023 14:36:08 GMT -6
Agreed.
And this is not what this thread is about, but shouldn't the worse teams have MORE tackles. If you are a good LB on a bad team with a bad DL and bad offense, there is a good chance that you can make a lot of tackles every game. Maybe not a lot of actual plays, but a lot of tackles.
If you play on a good defense, your defense gets off the field and you have limited opportunities to make a tackle because someone else has already done it while your good offense doesn't just go three and out.
But yes, there are some ridiculous defensive stats.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 19, 2023 19:47:55 GMT -6
Pro wrestling is the worst Hahahahahahahaha
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Post by silkyice on Oct 19, 2023 19:47:13 GMT -6
We got hosed one time so badly in HUGE game, that the head of the ref association called me Monday morning wanting to come over. He brought two other officials with him. Watched the tape and said they missed all 6 game changing calls. SIX. For real.
Two onsides we recovered that were given to the other team. 3 other bad calls that resulted in bad situations that all lead to a TD for the other team on the next play (like a bad spot on a 4th down that would have given us a first down). And a phantom hold on a huge play for us.
This costs us the game and a playoff win. So it cost us two wins. We most likely would have won if we were the 3rd seed instead of the 4th seed. 1 and 2 seeds in our region were the top two teams in the state.
Again, THEY REACHED OUT TO ME. It was that bad.
Side note, like I said, the top two teams were in our region. We played the eventual state champs at home. Got every close call, plus a couple of bull crap calls, plus a couple of correct calls that they could have let go that were really big. The whole game I was ticked because I knew we were wasting the one game I had home cooking. We still lost by 40. Ha
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Post by silkyice on Oct 19, 2023 9:01:00 GMT -6
We lined up to kick a game winning extra point in a double overtime game earlier this year. We drill it twice and both times the officials say they were lined up offsides and we re-kick. On the third try their guy gets a running start and is clearly offsides and blocks it. No Flag. We end up losing in the third OT by a point. Send the film to the state association. They get back to us and say yeah we got screwed there but nothing that they can do. Oh another point, the rule where you can't decline an offsides on a made extra point is such a ridiculous rule. It is encroachment and it is a dead ball foul. So no play actually happened. Well true. We all understand that. We are saying that the rule needs changing. Not that they enforced the rule incorrectly.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 19, 2023 9:00:18 GMT -6
Another just stupid illogical rule. I just do not understand how they cannot fix the obviously bad rules, especially when they have been fixed by the NCAA and/or NFl. Not trying to be a butt, but why didn’t you go for two after the second offsides? The ball would have been inside the 1? Yeah I don't like the encroachment rule. Also the hate the rule about not being able to score defensively on a PAT or two point attempt since the opposing team has an opportunity to score. In hindsight I'd trust my veteran OL to get us that 1 yard, but we just needed 1 pt to win and had a veteran kicker who'd been perfect all year so I can see why the HC made that decision. Unfortunately the block got in his head and he crapped his pants after we scored to open the third OT and kicked it way to low and got it blocked in the middle. Didn't realize the extra point would win the game. Definitely the right decision to kick again.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 19, 2023 5:46:58 GMT -6
We lined up to kick a game winning extra point in a double overtime game earlier this year. We drill it twice and both times the officials say they were lined up offsides and we re-kick. On the third try their guy gets a running start and is clearly offsides and blocks it. No Flag. We end up losing in the third OT by a point. Send the film to the state association. They get back to us and say yeah we got screwed there but nothing that they can do. Oh another point, the rule where you can't decline an offsides on a made extra point is such a ridiculous rule Another just stupid illogical rule. I just do not understand how they cannot fix the obviously bad rules, especially when they have been fixed by the NCAA and/or NFl. Not trying to be a butt, but why didn’t you go for two after the second offsides? The ball would have been inside the 1?
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Post by silkyice on Oct 12, 2023 16:35:19 GMT -6
I have a player who is being recruited by schools from Power 5 to D2. Tons of interest. 1 D2 offer. The one offer is a blessing. It's also weird that he gets a personal invite to Power 5 schools, but the FCS schools are not showing interest and the FBS schools don't offer. He is a 3.0 student, has all of the physical measurables, great on film, 2x all-area basketball player, respectful, etc. I talked with a coach today. They asked me why I felt that the offers were not happening. I gave my answer. He said that it just did not make sense that he is not getting offered. They said that they would be offering once the HC was able to talk with the kid. The coach said that they really are full at his position, but he looks special. The coaches at the D2 school where he got the offer said that he should not really fall to them, but they were going to offer anyway. The coach ended up saying that some schools play the waiting game hoping to get a kid who falls through the cracks on a PWO. I see why it is the way it is. I'm not sure this is any worse than how it was back in my day, to be honest. Most of us did not know if we were getting offers until the official visit in Dec-Jan. Yet, it is frustrating for the family when the kid does everything that coaches have asked, they continue to chat, but no offer. I had a kid in 2012. On the edge with measurable for OL at 6-1 295, great student and kid. The D1s did the same to him. Mississippi State came thru last minute. He wound up starting 4 yrs on OL and played 3 in the NFL as UDFA BOOM!
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Post by silkyice on Oct 11, 2023 12:16:08 GMT -6
He could always try a 13th year prep school. Get another shot at being recruited while being a year older. Also, d2 gives out college degrees. Plus, in today's world, go d2, rock it, transfer. Be careful about these. So many Scam U's out there!!! D2 or JC is the better bet than going the Bishop Sycamore route. Agree. Message me if you want some legit schools. I talking about schools with $60,000 plus tuitions. I just sent a kid to one for free. They can take about 8 or so a year and their league sends multiple kids to power 5 schools.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 11, 2023 8:54:39 GMT -6
He could always try a 13th year prep school. Get another shot at being recruited while being a year older.
Also, d2 gives out college degrees. Plus, in today's world, go d2, rock it, transfer.
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Post by silkyice on Sept 17, 2023 14:24:39 GMT -6
If he wanted to "hurt him" then why slow down and just give him a shoulder block? Why not explode through the head with a high forearm or lead with the helmet? I understand what you are saying, but another perception here is that there is no way the kid could have done what you are saying and not been ejected and a gigantic brawl breaking out. He knew that, but still wanted to "get" him and tried to be "sneaky" about it. So that is why it happened. Just my perception.
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Post by silkyice on Sept 17, 2023 11:40:31 GMT -6
The play was over. The ball had hit the ground. The safety made no attempt on the ball. He just late hit the kid in an unprotected part of his body and sent him to the hospital. And the kid just happened to be possibly the best player in the country and a two way player. That was a cheap ass INTENTIONAL play in any decade. Heck, that would have been cheap in MMA. And I thought that live and on replay. It was clearly an illegal hit, as I mentioned. It was an attempt to intimidate. The Safety took one extra step after the ball hit the ground and braced himself lowering his shoulder. The results (Hunter being injured) and the setting are influencing the opinion as to the egregiousness of the foul. It was no where near many other hits in the history of football. In fact this hit seems worse. But that was a game nobody but OSU and Rutgers fans saw... The hit in question seems far far less cheap/dirty than many of these... I was really just commenting on this comment, "Hit him in a manner that less than a decade ago would be considered tough hard nosed football??" I just disagree with comment. I believe that was a cheap late hit in any decade. It certainly wasn't the cheapest thing I have ever seen though. But still cheap and from my point of view, intentional.
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Post by silkyice on Sept 17, 2023 10:00:45 GMT -6
Then, you had that hit on Travis Hunter that has him out at least a few weeks. Hunter is an absolutely amazing player, both in terms of talent, and having the stamina to be able to play both ways in P5 football, and has a bright future ahead of him, if this affects his career in any way, f*** the POS who hit him like that. Hit him in a manner that less than a decade ago would be considered tough hard nosed football?? He didn't take a head shot. He really just braced himself and gave Hunter an unanticipated shoulder block. It was clearly illegal due to the current rules. There was a penalty assessed. But since it happened to a member of what seems to be the 2023 "chosen team" so much more is going to be made of it. The play was over. The ball had hit the ground. The safety made no attempt on the ball. He just late hit the kid in an unprotected part of his body and sent him to the hospital. And the kid just happened to be possibly the best player in the country and a two way player. That was a cheap ass INTENTIONAL play in any decade. Heck, that would have been cheap in MMA. And I thought that live and on replay.
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Post by silkyice on Sept 16, 2023 11:08:37 GMT -6
I mean, to some extent, but coaches and players don't get enough credit for how cerebral football can be... It's really not. We just convince ourselves it is to justify our passion and paychecks. Oh, and to make ourselves feel warm and fuzzy. You could write encyclopedias about guys who were highly successful who couldn't power a light bulb with their intellect. But, I bet they surrounded themselves with some guys who were smart. Or at least one or two. College head coach skill set is different than high school head coach or NFL head coach.
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Post by silkyice on Sept 2, 2023 17:53:31 GMT -6
I don't think they're what they were last year. I agree with that. Actually, even last year, TCU wasn’t what they were last year. 😜
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Post by silkyice on Sept 2, 2023 13:46:16 GMT -6
Congrats to Deion!!!
Wow!!!
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Post by silkyice on Aug 13, 2023 22:13:49 GMT -6
Watch the video. It looks like a normal practice to me.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 13, 2023 14:36:07 GMT -6
A quick whistle is like Pavlov's Dogs. The players get used to it and that is how they will play the game. It's also how the kids get hurt because they don't expect getting hit. They never learn how to take a hit to how to dish one out. IMHO this is just a PC practice and not good for the players. Then again, I am an old school guy and firmly believe that you play the way you practice. agree just don't take folks to the ground, but ALWAYS thud and wrap I think this is what they are doing.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 13, 2023 9:18:16 GMT -6
I thought this is how most teams practiced now.
It is just no live to the ground tackling. You still do lots tackling drills. Still contact. Just try to stay off the ground.
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Post by silkyice on Jul 29, 2023 12:55:21 GMT -6
To change the subject a little, how can the NFL ban people from playing until 3 years after high school (or whatever the rule is). Don't care about the exact rule, more just that there is one. Same for NBA and one year out of high school. And MLB, no rule out of high school, but if you play college ball, you now have to wait three years. I understand why the NFL, NBA, and MLB have these rules. But they seem illegal to the future employees. How in the world is this not collusion? Because the organizations have decided that those requirements are "bona fide" occupational requirements, and the decision has withstood court challenges. The outlier here fore me is MLB. But some quick research returned an article featuring this quote : "Exceptions to laws barring restraint of trade can exist if they result from a collective bargaining agreement. While the three-year rule is not spelled out in the NFL’s pact with its union, it is enforceable just the same, experts said." I didn’t realize those have withstood court challenges. Surprises me. NFL maybe has an safety argument. NBA, not so much. And there is zero doubt that the NBA is doing that to protect its owners from themselves. Collusion. And MLB draft is all messed up with its eligibility rules. Cannot believe that works.
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Post by silkyice on Jul 28, 2023 18:26:49 GMT -6
To change the subject a little, how can the NFL ban people from playing until 3 years after high school (or whatever the rule is). Don't care about the exact rule, more just that there is one.
Same for NBA and one year out of high school.
And MLB, no rule out of high school, but if you play college ball, you now have to wait three years.
I understand why the NFL, NBA, and MLB have these rules. But they seem illegal to the future employees.
How in the world is this not collusion?
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Post by silkyice on Jul 26, 2023 14:27:16 GMT -6
Both the NIL and the Transfer Portal are a mess, but...please do not allow the D.C. politicians to attempt to fix this mess!! Again, don't disagree, but at least Tommy Tuberville has some real experience and knowledge on this subject.
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Post by silkyice on Jul 26, 2023 11:59:22 GMT -6
Requiring agents to register with a "regulating body"... Just what the world needs. Another "regulating body"! Persons running this regulating body will have authority to make more rules and when they begin doing that...The Sky's the Limit! Don't disagree, but isn't there already some regulating bodies for professional sports agents? Just use the same regulating bodies. Not an expert here.
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Post by silkyice on Jun 24, 2023 11:50:10 GMT -6
I didn’t necessarily mean “highlight reel” literally so much as his MO as a player. I don’t believe Moss set himself apart through technical skill, being driven, and playing hard so much as just being a freak of nature. I will agree with that point 100%. If he wasn't a freak of nature, we most likely would not know he was. Even if he was the smartest player ever, that is not what set him apart.
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Post by silkyice on Jun 24, 2023 10:29:41 GMT -6
and whose highlight reel pretty much just consists of outrunning and outjumping people. Isn't that what highlight reels are though? Spectacular physical plays? I mean you don't usually highlight a 3rd and 5 yard play where you read a coverage perfectly and adjust your route just barely and make a precise cut to catch a well thrown ball for a 6 yard gain to keep a drive alive. Or even a TD where you run a route so well that you are open and the QB just throws it perfectly at you and you catch it easily. Those aren't highlights.
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Post by silkyice on Jun 18, 2023 10:31:46 GMT -6
I believe it is mainly just different due to rules and concussion protocols.
Also, I don't really see all the bad talking everyone is talking about (or misremembering). I think the game just now has incredible athletes in space and that obviously leads to "missed tackles".
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Post by silkyice on Jun 18, 2023 10:28:14 GMT -6
Starting a thread on tackling to not derail this one.
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Post by silkyice on Jun 18, 2023 10:22:03 GMT -6
From my perspective, fundamentals and techniques are on a much higher level now when compared to the 80's, 90's, 00's, and early 10's.
Year round football and youtube and twitter and even ESPN and NFL broadcasts have contributed to this. Of course there is a lot of crap to be found there, A LOT, but the point is that kids and coaches have an tremendous more amount of information and videos at their fingertips now.
Plus, IMO, fundamentals/techniques are cool now.
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