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Post by silkyice on May 31, 2023 10:07:32 GMT -6
Pretty sure he was kidding. It’s his rule but he’s never won one so it’s not been an issue is the joke That was my take also.
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Post by silkyice on May 30, 2023 20:00:17 GMT -6
I do think this is a jerk rule. I do understand the logic. He wants kids that stick with the program, period. The program that both He and the Defensive Coordinator just left? I get it that it is "just a ring". But I ask then, what does the ring signify? The school was no doubt awarded a championship trophy from the state association after the game correct? So what does the ring signify? I would say it signifies one was part of the team right? Saying "this has always been the rule" is a terrible rationale for anything. Saying "people knew about it in advance" is also a terrible rationale for a bad rule. Would the program have been better off if the kid (who apparently was a dude) had come out from spring, taken all the reps as the first string QB and then said "eh, nah coach- I am just gonna stick with baseball"? I would argue that he did the program a favor. Not that it matters though, because the HC just bolted anyway. To be clear, these are things I would ask that coach...not directing the critic at you. I get this is not directed at me. My understanding the logic does not mean I agree with it. Like I said, it is a jerk rule. But sometimes you have to be a jerk to win championships. Doesn’t justify it. Doesn’t mean I condone it. Doesn't mean you can’t win by being a nice guy. It just is what it is.
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Post by silkyice on May 30, 2023 19:07:48 GMT -6
I do think this is a jerk rule.
I do understand the logic. He wants kids that stick with the program, period. The kids and parents knew the rules to begin with. They kid is just not getting a ring. I am assuming that the ring is free for the kid. I am assuming that the school or most likely booster's bought the ring. You certainly couldn't deny him the ring he paid for. Again, the kid is just not getting a ring. He is still a state champion and could probably still contact the ring company (or a ring company) and buy a ring just like it or get one that says whatever he wants on it.
I also think that they have won 4 state championships in a row.
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Post by silkyice on May 30, 2023 11:30:59 GMT -6
To put it plainly I think it's bullchit. Can you tell me how you really feel?
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Post by silkyice on May 29, 2023 18:00:59 GMT -6
This should be the banner message on every message board on the internet. TRUTH here. And wisdom. But still fun to show up and contribute.
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Post by silkyice on May 28, 2023 11:24:01 GMT -6
There are signs such from his HS coaching career, Prime Prep, and not winning a Celebration Bowl. To be clear there a solid chance he successful, consistent bowl team, but it not the slam dunk some people are making it out as. I'm not sure if it will be a "slam dunk" in terms of wins-losses. But I think it is 100% a slam dunk hire for Colorado that has already payed off tenfold. This seems to be the lowest risk "gamble" ever. The upside significantly outweighs the risk. If it doesn't workout, at the very least, Colorado will have significantly more talented players on their roster for the next head coach hire. Colorado has been struggling for decades. To change that, you would need an incredible staff that was given many years to gradually change things (and stayed at Colorado after they started to have some success)...or you can bring in a disrupter to completely change everything immediately. In the current college football climate, I think Deion might be one of the few people with enough influence and latitude to be that major disrupter. On another note, about great players being great coaches...it is 100% a math thing, but I also think great players are usually set up for failure in coaching. They are often gifted too much responsibility too soon instead of learning the profession in the trenches. While Deion's rise in the coaching profession was extremely fast, I do think the fact that he coached at the high school level first has helped him as a coach. This is a GREAT post!
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Post by silkyice on May 27, 2023 18:50:03 GMT -6
Coaches normally don’t disparage former players, and Randy Moss isn’t playing in the NFL with Renfrow’s physical tools. What? How does Belichick's praise of Moss's football acumen merit that response. It wasn't as if someone asked Belichick "hey, is Randy Moss stupid?" This was on the NFL 100 All Time Team show. The question posed to Belichick was "What do you think of when you think of Randy Moss". His first reaction was that quote. He could have easily said "one of the most gifted players I have ever coached" Or "One of the most physically blessed players I have ever coached", and both would have been accurate and neither would ever be considered "disparaging" as you suggested. Instead his drop of hat, first instinct was to praise the football IQ of Moss. Sure, Hunter Renfro might be a better coach than either Moss or Sanders. Or maybe not. But I gotta say, the assumptions and dogwhistles made on this board (and in this thread in particular)... pretty disappointing. larrymoe Just for fun, but I found this information regarding Williams as a hitting coach Can I ask what supports your statement that he was a horrible hitting coach? I don't know who would be the actual better "coach" in the way I think we are describing this. Which I think is the guy that can technically teach his position better or techniques better. I will concede the point that guys that can "just do it" are sometimes not the best teachers. Sometimes. But, I coached with a guy who was the number 4 draft pick in the NFL and was voted best Alabama defensive lineman of all time. I guarantee that no one who has ever been on this board can coach the d line better than him. Like 100% guarantee it. Ultimate at teaching every single little detail and technique. Positive. Encouraging. Repped the heck out of everything. Demanding. Tough as hell on the them and loved by them. Our guys were learning things (and executing them) that I would bet some of you have never even seen. BUT, that is not even close to what is going on here. I could care less if Coach Prime can teach any football skills or put together a defense/offense. I think he can, but it is irrelevant. The number 1 job of any head college coach is recruiting. Y'all think Hunter Renfroe can do that better? Number 2 is running an organization. This is where my concern "could" be. We will see. Number 3 is motivation/personality. He has that down. So 1 and 3 I give him A++ on. Number 2, time will tell.
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Post by silkyice on May 26, 2023 6:23:48 GMT -6
There are signs such from his HS coaching career, Prime Prep, and not winning a Celebration Bowl. To be clear there a solid chance he successful, consistent bowl team, but it not the slam dunk some people are making it out as. Prime Prep is a valid criticism- It shows that a decade ago Sanders got himself involved in something that he didn't really understand, and likely for the wrong reason (high school educational setting while his purpose was to feature athletics). He was probably trying to set up something for his son. I would argue that doesn't really apply here. He isn't founding CU. He isn't involved in CU in any capacity other than trying to win football games, just like the other 132 FBS coaches. He isn't entering a situation substantially different than other institutions (Charter School with plans to feature athletics compared to traditional public and private schools). Prime Prep seems like an example of the tail wagging the dog - that isn't what is happening here. Failing to win a Celebration Bowl in his two years at JSU? I don't agree that would be a valid indicator of future lack of success as a college football coach. I also haven't seen many say it is a slam dunk either. I think Sanders is a pretty intelligent person from all accounts, and that he would agree with silkyice 's assessments that the "Prime Factor" will have to take hold quickly to be a success story. I will say that after reading the recent ESPN article/interview with former Auburn coach Bryan Harsin, Sanders seems like a MUCH better hire than Harsin was at Auburn. Would love to have had Coach Prime at Auburn.
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Post by silkyice on May 25, 2023 17:25:54 GMT -6
You're saying the coach-manager with the best players ("right place-right time") usually wins? Who'da thunk it? As for being a "math thing" - hmm, could be. Right place-right time doesn't necessarily mean the best players. It means the right mixture of events (players, management, coaching, other...) It could mean Drew Brees with Sean Payton in New Orleans instead of at Miami. I may be in the minority, but I don't think he would have had the same success there with Nick Saban/anyone else that he did with Payton. It could mean Frank Solich taking over at a time when fan pressure/entertainment value was changing. It could mean any number of different converging events. My point was just that maybe the fact that to be considered one of the "best" coaches is interdependent on many events mathematically it isn't going to occur often. Then throw in some more probability factors such as the vast majority of coaches were not considered the best players, and now you have a tiny percentage of coaches with the opportunity to land in a rare "right place, right time" situation. Maybe that math has something to do with it as opposed to just the standard "can't relate to average players" reasoning. Right place, right time really resonates with my thoughts about Deion. Portal, NIL, Social media, glitz, glam, height of coolness, Aflac commercials with Saban, Primetime. Coach Prime. But even more than that, have you actually listened to what he says? He is as old school as they come. Right time - definitely. We will see about right place.
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Post by silkyice on May 22, 2023 17:25:13 GMT -6
The roster purge will either make him a genius or a moron. I'm teetering towards the latter but we'll see. Was just listening to a podcast and heard something that made me revisit this thread. The roster that he turned over had a point differential of -29.1points per game. Lest someone think that stat was skewed by just a few big blowouts-- in 10 of their 11 losses they lost by 23 or more points. They only scored more than 21 points in ONE game and were held to less than 2 touchdowns in 50% of their games. They gave up 38 or more points in all 11 losses. That roster produced one of the worst results in Power 5 schools this century. Why not turn over the roster immediately? Take advantage of the momentum and use the grace period that will be given. Agree And if you really think about it, that roster is even worse than their stats. Meaning, they got no one's best game. They started going against subs in the second half of many games and still had awful stats.
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Post by silkyice on Apr 29, 2023 18:01:05 GMT -6
There is no standard size on numbers on numbers in high school. Correct. But stencils come with the numbers 2 yards wide.
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Post by silkyice on Apr 27, 2023 11:30:30 GMT -6
Wouldn't be surprised if Deion couldn't care less about websites due to Social Media, where he can connect with recruits and boosters/sponsor. Why would any D1 coach care about what their team website looks like? Does anyone even think Nick Saban has ever looked at his website? I have no idea if Saban has ever looked at his website. But I guarantee you that Saban wants every single detail run correctly. Every single one. And will make sure that every single one is done the right and best way. That is just who Nick Saban is. I am pulling for Coach Prime and actually think he has a chance of doing great things. But, it is troubling (and most likely telling) that Colorado’s website is in the condition described.
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Post by silkyice on Apr 26, 2023 17:32:38 GMT -6
Being Dramatic here, but the whole Colorado thing could hinge on one game or one injury or one play or one blown call.
Again being dramatic, but if Coach Prime can build ANY momentum, he could make them great and for real. (That could also mean that he goes to a much bigger program). But if they can't get going this year, that will make getting going the next year tougher, and if they don't get going by then, they probably won't get going.
One big victory because of a blown call in their favor or injury to their opponent's best player or a lucky bounce could literally propel them into a legit power in a few years. Or one key injury to them or blown call against them or unlucky bounce could just squash them.
I really think it could go either way and I really think that luck (good or bad) could have some part in it.
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Post by silkyice on Apr 13, 2023 11:51:41 GMT -6
Huey's Law --as a thread grows longer, no matter the initial topic, the probability that the effectiveness of option offenses in college will be mentioned grows closer to 1.00 FACTS
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Post by silkyice on Mar 31, 2023 14:19:26 GMT -6
When I saw the article, I knew you would be posting LOL. FACTS I have zero concept of labor laws etc also. BUT, I still don't understand how the proposed plan of making scholarships 1, 2, 3, or 4 years long is different from the current scholarship plan as far as labor laws go. I get that they are really employees and the the current Supreme Court is more on the students/athletes side (rightfully so). Are you just saying that with any type of change, it makes it more likely that SCOTUS will make a huge change?
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Post by silkyice on Mar 31, 2023 6:36:20 GMT -6
When I saw the article, I knew you would be posting LOL. Seems to me like Mike Gundy needs to stick to football coaching, as he has zero concept of labor relations/labor laws, their potential affects on the collegiate football landscape and the current climate in the court system (particularly the Supreme Court) towards the NCAA. Would that idea alleviate new issues that coaches and programs are experiencing ? Yes. The problem here is that Gundy’s suggestion is ignoring the BIGGEST issue that the NCAA as a whole is dealing with— the crumbling facade of the “student athlete”. His thoughts on the matter essentially solidify what the NCAA member institutions (and NCAA itself) have denied for decades- that those athletes are employees. That would have far greater issues than the current ones in the grander scheme of things Just as an interesting aside, don’t the coaches currently have contracts that seem to matter quite little with regards to their movement? Contracts always have escape clauses, buyouts, etc. I am sure the coaches and schools are abiding by those or lawsuits will happen or the lawsuit isn’t worth it and they drop the matter.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 30, 2023 13:29:12 GMT -6
This may seem a little far-fetched, but I wonder if a recruit could voluntarily offer a permanent commitment to a school as a means of improving their recruitment. For example, if Little Johnny signs a contract (or something of this nature) stating he would not play for another school, unless the HC leaves or is fired, would he more likely receive a scholarship. I don't even know what the legal or logistical pitfalls are here, I am just spitballing. I get that the big issue is that transfer players allow a school to bring in college proven athletes immediately, and be ready to win right away. But if I were a FCS coach and I knew I was gonna have guaranteed multiple years to work with a player, and that said player's guarantee is tied to me keeping my job, I'd be inclined to give him an extra look. To me CONTRACTS are the solution for the transfer portal. 1, 2, 3, 4 year contracts. And the contracts work both ways!! 247sports.com/college/auburn/Article/Oklahoma-State-football-Mike-Gundy-says-contractual-scholarships-could-solve-NCAA-transfer-portal-issues-207515683/
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Post by silkyice on Mar 15, 2023 7:13:40 GMT -6
Does anybody have one of those inflatable entrance tunnels, and if so, what size? We are going to order one for this season, and I'm not sure if we need a 15' or 20' tunnel. We will dress between 35-40 kids. We have one. Unsure of size. I also think that tunnel size is irrelevant. I wouldn't really care that much if everyone can fit in the tunnel or not. Some can stand behind it. But they all run thru it and come out of it when you run onto the field.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 13, 2023 9:34:41 GMT -6
Yeah no chit....besides a clam atmosphere where you can make rational decisions based on a view no one else has what are the beneftis? Well I can chew all I want and swear at the officials without fear of repercussion. Well... I have gotten a flag for hollering at the officials from the box.. We were away and a team ran speed option at us. Our DE lit up the QB, the ball hit the ground and we recovered. It was a clean tackle and I figured they they were going to call roughing the passer on us. The officiating crew had pulled the same chit with our JV team a few days earlier. So, I yelled at them while leaning out the window and the official picked up the flag and then they all huddled up.
The officials tossed two more flags; unnecessary roughness on the DE and an unsportsmanlike for my outburst. So, big screw up on my part.
What made the hit illegal? Was it late, out of bounds, after the whistle, targeting? You shouldn't just get a penalty for hitting someone hard.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 10, 2023 15:08:11 GMT -6
I like this better than the first one but we'd need a much larger data set than one year to draw any conclusions. This list isn't much different from similar lists that I've seen over the years. Make sure that you realize that I mistyped on California. It is 0.56 ppm.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 10, 2023 13:04:19 GMT -6
Just as a point of information, here are the top 10 states for players ranked in the On3 top 300 players for 2024. Texas: 54 1.8 ppm Florida: 44 1.97 Georgia: 32 California: 22 2.9 ppm Alabama:19 3.8 ppm Louisiana: 15 3.3 ppm Ohio: 10 0.85 ppm Virginia: 10 1.1 ppm North Carolina: 9 0.85 ppm Missouri: 8 1.3 ppm Rates of Players Per Million Texas: 1.8 ppm Florida: 1.97 ppm Georgia: 2.9 ppm California: 0.56 ppm Alabama: 3.8 ppm Louisiana: 3.3 ppm Ohio: 0.85 ppm Virginia: 1.1 ppm North Carolina: 0.85 ppm Missouri: 1.3 ppm Whoops. Mistyped California.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 10, 2023 12:09:47 GMT -6
Just as a point of information, here are the top 10 states for players ranked in the On3 top 300 players for 2024. Texas: 54 1.8 ppm Florida: 44 1.97 Georgia: 32 California: 22 0.56 ppm Alabama:19 3.8 ppm Louisiana: 15 3.3 ppm Ohio: 10 0.85 ppm Virginia: 10 1.1 ppm North Carolina: 9 0.85 ppm Missouri: 8 1.3 ppm Rates of Players Per Million Texas: 1.8 ppm Florida: 1.97 ppm Georgia: 2.9 ppm California: 0.56 ppm Alabama: 3.8 ppm Louisiana: 3.3 ppm Ohio: 0.85 ppm Virginia: 1.1 ppm North Carolina: 0.85 ppm Missouri: 1.3 ppm
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Post by silkyice on Mar 10, 2023 11:56:12 GMT -6
What are the benefits you see from the box? The usual answers are about seeing things better and keeping emotion out of decision making...anything beyond that? wingtol same question Having the ability to write things down helps me immensely. Having other guys chart fronts, formations, calls, D&D (etc) is fantastic but it sucks not getting full access to it until half time. Even then, I don't have time to fully digest what I'm seeing. If I'm in the box, I can see more, do the charting and make adjustments quickly.
Communication can be lost in translation between the box and the field as well. When I see something in the box I want fixed, I'm very clear and concise about it over the headset. I can't say the same about issues that have come down to me on the field.
This reminds me of another two advantages. One, being able to sit down. Or at least sit down in between possessions. Two, being able to truly ignore the game better and concentrate on getting ready for the next possession when you aren't up.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 9, 2023 14:25:53 GMT -6
That's kinda like asking, "Besides that she's hot and rich what do you like about her?" That's fair...but, like, does she have a boat or anything? Maybe also has a really good sense of humor? You can also see the opponents sideline which can be an advantage. See changing personnel or groups, etc. Just see reactions of coaches which can tip off what they are trying to do. See a coach and QB and WR get together so maybe alert something to that WR. Maybe see some signals. Just get a feel for them. Don't over do this and see something that isn't there, but some tells/info can be found. You can also eat up there if you wanted.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 9, 2023 11:37:25 GMT -6
Had this discussion with a coaching buddy and figured I’d get a few opinions on it. Is the idea of a coach staying one place for 20-30 years about to be a thing of the past once this older generation retires? I had the opportunity to coach and play for a guy who was a head coach at the school for 20 years. Prior to that he had done 19 years as an assistant and head coach at a previous school with one year of pg ball in between. That’s what I grew up knowing but looking back at my coaching career and seeing older fellas hang it up while younger guys seemingly come and go in certain places. The area I moved to 7 years ago has 4 schools in the county, and in a decade the four schools have combined to now have 13 coaches for example. And this is in a small rural area where imo expectations aren’t as high in 3/4 schools. So my question I guess is how it looks in your area? You got a bunch of seasoned vets roaming the sideline or is it seemingly every 4-5 years boom a new coach is in? Was it ever really THAT common? I ask because from what I've seen we remember those 20 year guys but when you look at the rest of the teams in their league they change coaches a lot and always have. Agreed That was my exact point on my earlier post.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 9, 2023 9:18:16 GMT -6
People were asking this question 30 years ago. Yet, some people ended up coaching places 20-30 years at the same place since then.
It is rare. It has ALWAYS been rare. It will continue to happen, but be rare.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 8, 2023 9:23:54 GMT -6
Classifications are a crapshoot. You can't really compare 2A in one state to 2A in another.
For instance the largest 1A in Georgia would be classified as a 5A in Alabama based on enrollment. The largest 2A in Georgia would be in the top half of 6A in Alabama.
I remember reading an article about De Le Salle back in the day talking about how it was a smaller school with only 1000 kids. All boys school. So that would have been like a 2000 student school in Alabama which would have made it one of the top 3 largest in the state. And it was considered "small" if I remember correctly.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 7, 2023 8:48:27 GMT -6
So I can agree with this. I have zero knowledge besides what I have read/heard about. California is just huge with some huge high schools and some amazing private schools. They are bigger than many countries. So they are great through just sheer size and money. Texas is also huge but I think the passion, tradition, and commitment is better. Florida has some freak athletes but don't think the commitment is there statewide like Texas. I think that some other states like Georgia, Alabama, Louisiana, etc. are similar to Texas except they are just smaller states. If you took Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Tennessee, Mississippi, South Carolina then you have Texas. I will say this. If you just take a random average school with a size of 500 or so, I think Texas, Georgia, Alabama would probably be on top. That is purely speculation. So here is why Texas is clearly on top. It is number 1 or 2 in sheer size and money spent. It is in top 3 in just pure athletes. It is probably top or tied at the top in passion, tradition, and commitment. It is the top or near the top in urban schools, suburban schools, and rural schools. It is at or near the top in the small, medium, large, and huge school sizes. Maybe the only place that is not the top or close is with independent schools.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 1, 2023 10:45:12 GMT -6
This is a no brainer for me. This was by FAR the best defense I have ever seen. Not even close. The first team D gave up 4 scores all season. They had over 10 defensive TD's. We had one first down the first time we played them and won 10-7 on a walk off FG in the semi's.
Inside LB's went to Clemson and South Alabama.
Corners went to Clemson and Troy.
Safeties went to Tennessee and a d3.
Outside backers went to ASU and Point.
DE's both went to North Alabama.
Nose went to Wofford.
Yes, all 11 playing college ball.
Well coached also. Good solid scheme. Excellent technique, reads, and discipline by every single player.
And we were 3A ball at the time with only 190 in our high school.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 28, 2023 17:35:02 GMT -6
If Florida would pay its Coaches the answer would be a no brainer. I got paid 2100.00 to be a Varsity DC at a 4a school in 2017. Yeah, since playing several FLA teams over the years that just boggles my mind... especially considering GA is directly above it. My very first gig as an adjunct college kid AC in a school that had just recently broken a 40+ game losing streak was $1800 and that was 1993. In retrospect, the funniest thing is that we put out a 19 year NFL vet, punter Andy Lee. 40 game losing streak? Sounds like Andy Lee got a lot of reps.
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