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Post by silkyice on Dec 13, 2023 13:14:46 GMT -6
I'm going to beat the dead horse one more time, rather than change everything, why not add outside veer? I think it would keep the offense viable. What is outside veer? Why will that help? Just ordered some popcorn and put my feet my up. Y'all don't disappoint.
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Post by silkyice on Dec 12, 2023 16:23:44 GMT -6
Seems like if the topic went off track so I'm going to ask this question..... As a 100% gun guy who takes a knee from the gun, I have a question. What do you do when you're in a situation to be in victory formation but your inside the 5 yardline? Do you just call a run play or do you take a knee from under center? This is the situation where you practice this every Thursday. Just in case. And you have your centers and QBs take snaps every practice and every pre-game. I am literally talking about 30 seconds to 1 minute of work done everyday. It will be worth it when you HAVE to execute this. If you have a timeout, let the clock go to 1 second, take the timeout, and practice taking a knee on the sideline. Let's also be clear on this. Up 1 on the 1 yard line coming out with 1 minute left and you can win by taking a knee or two is NOT EASY for under center teams. Everyone better practice this also. Once every Thursday is enough. Maybe once a season is enough. That is up to you. But if you fail here and you didn't practice, don't blame the kids.
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Post by silkyice on Dec 12, 2023 14:26:28 GMT -6
I'll defend taking a knee from the Gun. If a (frustrated) defense wants to blow up the Center, they're not going to disrupt the exchange. The Q can take a knee without the threat of fumbling from people falling all over him (or just gettting hit for no reason). Ill defend it a step further... if I fumble a gun snap I and 2 other players are 4 or 5 yards from the defense so I am probably gonna be able to fall on it... if under center and fumble snap good chance I lose it. EXACTLY
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Post by silkyice on Dec 12, 2023 14:03:39 GMT -6
If no direction is given to the coach, whatever.
If they are told to do something and they don't, then meeting. If it continues, fired.
Personally, not real worried about the lower levels other than what @defcord said, but if I directed a grown man who I am in charge of to do something reasonable and he doesn't, there will be an issue.
BUT, I tend to stay away from most anything like that. Don't die on a stupid hill or whatever the saying is. The better saying is "don't build stupid hills". But if you build it, ...
PS - not saying that having younger teams run your stuff is stupid.
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Post by silkyice on Dec 4, 2023 18:35:00 GMT -6
I factored in that 85% isn't 100% and there's only time for one play after the kickoff. THIS!!! Oh, and there is a Power 5 dude back there.
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Post by silkyice on Dec 4, 2023 12:21:48 GMT -6
Good luck Coach!!!
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Post by silkyice on Dec 2, 2023 9:21:13 GMT -6
In other words - do anything EXCEPT kick the ball deep to the Return Man. Ha. That is exactly right. It is hard to make the exact right call. The perfect call. But ding dangit, avoid the WRONG CALL.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 29, 2023 8:43:51 GMT -6
I would even add maybe try kicking it out of bounds. We use the sky/pooch kick regularly and have had some go out of bounds and no one makes us rekick ever. We have a dude that can score on KOR so we always make teams rekick. But I don't think that's the norm. I would normally say that is not the best decision for a variety of reasons. But in this situation, it is actually a GREAT idea. If they take the ball, they just have one more HailMary play left. If they take the penalty and make you re-kick, I don't think the 5 extra yards really matter in this situation one way or the other.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 28, 2023 12:59:10 GMT -6
Is there a time difference when the clock starts on a sky kick vs. squib? The clock starts once the ball is fielded correct? Correct
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Post by silkyice on Nov 28, 2023 11:33:13 GMT -6
to a Power 5 commit. game winning TD as time expires to win the game 12-10. Kicking deep is the WRONG thing to do here even if they have a d4 decommit back there to return. As time expires? and the score is 10-6 at the time so a FG can't beat you? I honestly would have done a surprise onside kick. That really is not hindsight. My past coaching staffs would tell you that is exactly what I would do. I have done that in other similarish situations. One, you will recover it. Game over. Two, they will not get a return. Three, at worst, they get one HailMary play against your defense from at best around 50 yardline. Pooch is probably the next best idea. It limits possibilities and makes a HailMary even less likely if they fair catch. Pooch also limits rugby return some. Squib is acceptable. But they still could get a return or at least try and rugby it home. Kicking deep is horrendous. That, by far, gives the opponent's the best chance. You kick deep, you better get it in the endzone.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 27, 2023 13:43:55 GMT -6
I've been getting absolutely ***hammered by the AD and other school members*** that football practice is too easy, specifically because we do not condition enough. That "baseball practice should not be harder than football practice" ***14-9 in 2 seasons (best 2 year stretch in about 15 years). First playoff win in 15 years last year. First home playoff game in 15 years this year.*** Virtually no soft-tissue injuries (or really any injuries. One separated shoulder, one bruised knee, one AC Sprain). But the perception that it is "soft" is tough for certain types to overcome. WOW Hang in there Coach! By the way, they are right. Baseball practice shouldn't be harder than football practice so tell the baseball coach to work on the things that matter in baseball instead of conditioning. Hey, wait. Now I am guilty of criticizing a program that I know nothing about. Anyways, congrats on turning the program around.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 25, 2023 13:49:59 GMT -6
You have seen 100 times more fumbled gun take a knee snaps than UC ones?? That is a lot of take a knee snaps. If you take a knee out of the gun and tell the refs you are taking a knee, don’t the same Illinois rules apply? If so, then what difference does it make how you take the snap? If you are on the 2, you go under center. I didn’t say that teams should never go under center to take a knee. And yes you should practice that every week. Even if that is literally the only time you should do it. What if you have to go 3 yards? Is the ball traveling 13 yards to gain 3 still stupid? I mean that is still a cute phrase. I've never seen an UC take a knee snap fumbled, but I have seen gun ones fumbled. Maybe my math is off, but it has happened exponentially more. I don't know what times difference 0 to however many is. As far as Illinois rules, I can't honestly tell you. Most gun people who take knees out of gun tell me when I ask them why "Because it's who we are". There's never a lot of reasoning behind it. And yes, I think running stuff out of gun that can be run out of UC just to run it out of gun is stupid. There is no stupider formation on earth than the Gun I. I cannot believe I am still responding here. Pretty sure you probably feel the same way. Ha We almost won a semi-final game when a 100% gun team had to try and take a knee under center. We put a 330 pounder in left A gap and a 350 pounder in right A gap and got the ball on their first attempt. The refs wanted us to back off but I said no way. That team was 100% gun and this was for a birth in the state finals. We would have won too, but had a bs hold call on a TD 2 plays later and ended kicking a last second FG to go to OT and lost. You actually ask teams that just beat you why they took a knee out of the gun?? By the way, their answer is 100% the most logical answer they could give you. That is who they are. They are a gun team. Should they be ready to take an uc snap when they absolutely must? Of course. Should they do that in the middle of the field, no. Let's just cut to the chase. You just hate the gun. Period.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 25, 2023 9:25:19 GMT -6
Well I think it is stupid to think that is stupid. I understand having preferences and opinions. But do you really think that going under center to take a knee is smart if you are a 100% gun team? And do you really think that snapping the ball to someone who might be your best football player (like Cam Newton) in the gun while having a TE and an H back and a RB block for him so that you can gain a yard on the goalline is stupid? That it would be better to go under center and have him handoff or run sneak? I have zero problem with going under center (ummm wing t guy here), but I think that being gun is just fine and it makes more sense to find ways to do what you do effectively in all situations than to change what you do in crucial situations. Again, it could be different in another state, but in Illinois if you tell the refs you're taking a knee, the defense can not hit you. You can snap the ball as slow as you want. You could probably turn around and hand the ball to the QB. I've seen 100 times more fumbled gun take a knee snaps than I have UC ones. What do you do to take a knee if you're a gun team and the ball is at you 2? And if you're going to go under center there to prevent a safety, why can't you do that all the time? And yes, the ball traveling 11 yds to gain 1 will always seem stupid to me. You have seen 100 times more fumbled gun take a knee snaps than UC ones?? That is a lot of take a knee snaps. If you take a knee out of the gun and tell the refs you are taking a knee, don’t the same Illinois rules apply? If so, then what difference does it make how you take the snap? If you are on the 2, you go under center. I didn’t say that teams should never go under center to take a knee. And yes you should practice that every week. Even if that is literally the only time you should do it. What if you have to go 3 yards? Is the ball traveling 13 yards to gain 3 still stupid? I mean that is still a cute phrase.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 24, 2023 16:17:43 GMT -6
Again. You are missing the point. The point is that you can run power football with a shotgun snap. For what it is worth, a 7A quarterfinalist in Alabama runs it and a 2A state champion powerhouse runs it. And plenty of other 7A football teams play running qb's out of the gun with multiple TE and H back sets. We played one last week and one in 4 hours. They both are pretty dang good on the goalline and in short yardage. My entire discussion is about taking a knee out of shotgun or running sneak out of it. Both are stupid. I could care less what people run their offenses out of. If you read my posts, they are only about those two things. Well I think it is stupid to think that is stupid. I understand having preferences and opinions. But do you really think that going under center to take a knee is smart if you are a 100% gun team? And do you really think that snapping the ball to someone who might be your best football player (like Cam Newton) in the gun while having a TE and an H back and a RB block for him so that you can gain a yard on the goalline is stupid? That it would be better to go under center and have him handoff or run sneak? I have zero problem with going under center (ummm wing t guy here), but I think that being gun is just fine and it makes more sense to find ways to do what you do effectively in all situations than to change what you do in crucial situations.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 24, 2023 14:38:48 GMT -6
I think y'all are missing the point. Not really. It's stupid for them to do it too. I was just throwing that nugget out. Single wing is non existent in under 3A football in Illinois. I can only name 2 programs in the state that run it. Again. You are missing the point. The point is that you can run power football with a shotgun snap. For what it is worth, a 7A quarterfinalist in Alabama runs it and a 2A state champion powerhouse runs it. And plenty of other 7A football teams play running qb's out of the gun with multiple TE and H back sets. We played one last week and one in 4 hours. They both are pretty dang good on the goalline and in short yardage.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 24, 2023 13:37:20 GMT -6
Shotgun in short yardage never bothered me, Single Wing teams do it every snap and no one bats an eye And if they were running single wing plays, it wouldn't bother me either. I still don't think y'all get it. If they were running single wing plays, but not the right single wing plays on 4th and short, then that is still not good. Just like if you got under center but ran a slow developing play. If you are gun, but can run some power football plays that go straight ahead that is enough. Add in an h back or two and run: wedge, power, duo, inside zone kick - all of those are good enough. You can run with your QB or running back or out of wildcat. Being under center is not the "magic" is the point. And I am I wing t guy who has run wedge more on 2nd and 10 than most coaches have run wedge in their lifetime. The gun is perfectly capable in short yardage.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 24, 2023 11:06:03 GMT -6
Shotgun in short yardage never bothered me, Single Wing teams do it every snap and no one bats an eye I haven't played, coached or scouted against a single wing team since 1999. I think y'all are missing the point.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 22, 2023 11:15:37 GMT -6
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Post by silkyice on Nov 21, 2023 13:24:27 GMT -6
Maybe not new, but a weird one we saw in our last game, the Defense vs our 11P sets would play Man-DBL Free. Not really 2-Man but could be construed as that via this description. 4-Down front, 2-Backers in the box. CB's manned on #1 Nickle manned on #2. Backers manned on #3. Both Safeties sitting on/inside the hash just reading the QB/Backfield. Free fitters off the edge in the run, or Hole/Robbers in the pass game. We didn't release our TE much in the pass game so that Backer really just lived in the box, similarly with the RB and his backer. They would also play Cloud/Trap to the single side with that man look to the field. They did some good Trap/Cat stuff to add in some gimmicks. And then they hammered us with Firezone blitzes. Again nothing super new, but that Cover 20ish look was weird to see. Sound like it could a "Fox" type of coverage where the 2 safeties both key the h back (or RB). H back your way, you have him man and/or become an extra hat. H back away from you, you can go to free safety or robber.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 21, 2023 7:28:06 GMT -6
In my opinion, Taking a knee from the shotgun is a much safer play. As long as you do it right. How is it safer? If you tell the refs you're taking a knee they (at least in Illinois) tell the other team to lay off. Not physically safer. Just saying that if you fumble the snap under center the ball is right there. Either team could recover it. If you fumble a shotgun snap, you have time to recover. You also have to line up correctly and have someone behind the qb in gun snap in case of a long snap. If you are an under center team, stay under center. If you are a gun team, stay in gun. If I did both, I would choose to be in the gun to take a knee. What to me is risky, is being 100% gun and then going under center to take a knee in a one score game.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 20, 2023 18:46:13 GMT -6
Something that irritated the crap out of me was teams staying in gun in short yardage situations and running the ball by handing off to a back. It seemed to me that the vast majority of these plays got blown up. I would much prefer getting the QB under center in those situations so the RB can get a full head of steam. This is followed closely by taking a knee in gun for me. But yes, snapping the ball 5yds backwards to gain 6inches has always been a mystifying choice to me. In my opinion, Taking a knee from the shotgun is a much safer play. As long as you do it right.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 10, 2023 12:36:05 GMT -6
What does that mean? To failure? We stop at 10. I think silky goes to failure We go to failure, but our highest planned reps is 8. So most kids aren't get many more than 10 anyways. Now some younger, inexperienced kids will sometimes get 15-20, but that is mainly because there max isn't correct. During the season, we continue to rep out on upper body, but we stop at what I call a "plus 1" on legs (deadlift, squats, cleans, etc.). So if the planned reps that day is 3, you would stop at 4. If it was 8, you would stop at 9, etc.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 9, 2023 14:46:19 GMT -6
Do y'all never have kids work out in regular clothes? It really isn't an issue and the kids don't mind. I have been at some schools with no athletic period, so you sometimes just have to grab a kid and get a workout in. For instance, we worked out in the mornings. The kid had a teacher's meeting or Bible study in the morning, so he misses. If he has a study hall or a 15 minute break, he just jumps right in and does the workout. Could have jeans and boots on for all I care. The warmup can take 1 minute. Do two sets of bench and two sets of trap bar and boom. Can literally be done in 15 minutes. AND, if you lift heavy and rep out, I would bet that the results you can get right there are better than 90% of high school weight programs. I know it sounds crazy. But I have seen it! I am saying the results can be better. Not the lifting in jeans, no athletic period, having an hour to workout, etc is better. Of course I would rather have those things ALL the time, but legitimate question following: How many times do you get your entire time all together in a perfect lifting environment 5 days a week? Meaning, no one is absent all week for any reason. You have school all 5 days. There isn't an assembly. No shortened periods that week. There isn't a baseball or basketball game. Etc. How many weeks does that actually happen? It is like 0 weeks out of the year everywhere I have been, so I have found ways to maximize every moment and chance I get and have these few things to be the most important above ALL else. 1) lift year round 2) do the real lifts - bench, squat, clean, deadlift ( We actually don't clean anymore. Ha). 3) lift heavy. 4) Rep out - because repping out eliminates the need for a perfect set rep scheme and cycle. Too many things happen like missed workouts, injuries, sickness, ball games, etc to have everyone on some perfect set/rep mesocycle protocol where you do 30 different lifts, etc. RANT and RAMBLING over.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 9, 2023 13:41:55 GMT -6
Film, walkthrus, study hall. 30 minutes isn't enough time to get dressed and have a workout. It is if you do just two sets of trap bar and two sets of deadlift. I know this will sound 100% conceited and 100% a falsehood, but I could get your team contributors to average max bench over 240 and max over 500 trap bar deadlift doing just that once a week every week for a year. And I wouldn't blame you for thinking I was crazy. Hell, if I hadn't done just that at three different schools, I wouldn't believe it either. Now, we did workout twice a week, and this is only once a week. That is why I dialed it back a little and didn't say 258 and 548. It is literally amazing what teenagers can accomplish when they push and pull heavy ass weight and rep out with it. Contributors = someone who plays in meaningful downs on a Friday night. For us, that is usually 17-22 guys.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 8, 2023 18:15:28 GMT -6
Now I'm confused...the first clip is what I thought a "hip drop" tackle is. Then the every other clip on the video is ball carriers getting suplexed. Yeah, the video is terrible. Agree. I googled, watched the first clip, and posted. Ha
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Post by silkyice on Nov 8, 2023 10:58:59 GMT -6
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Post by silkyice on Nov 6, 2023 19:41:34 GMT -6
If you haven't used helmet condoms, try them. LITERAL GAME CHANGER. Trust me.
You can get 15 for $130. It will be the best $130 you spend on your football team.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 6, 2023 13:47:45 GMT -6
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Post by silkyice on Nov 1, 2023 11:08:55 GMT -6
In general, 90% of all players will be perform, compete, and be “tough enough”, if they 1) get as strong and fast as they can 2) get in shape 3) know what to do 4) and know how to do it Take any of those 4 away and you start to run into major problems. This also. Graduate level "this" I have literally never made my team do anything for "toughness". Playing football is tough enough. In fact, I try and streamline things to make them more efficient. Now while that sounds like it has nothing to do with toughness, that means we workout twice a week for 30 minutes. That means that I am looking for results instead of arbitrary things like toughness. I want to get kids strong, faster, and in shape. I want them to know what the heck we are doing on the field and how to do it. Gut checks, toughness drills, etc, just aren't what I am interested in. I think our teams have been pretty damn tough and physical over the years. I will stand by my four things up top. Think about what you would want out of coach. Would you want to do these "toughness" drills OR get strong and fast, in shape, and execute? I realize those things aren't mutually exclusive, but if toughness is running 5 400m sprints, count me the F out. Why not 10 800m sprints? or a marathon or a 100 miler? Why not insane crossfit workouts? Those all take a huge amount of mental toughness. So much, that I AM NOT GOING TO DO THOSE THINGS. Because I don't want to. But if I had another football season left in me, get me strong, fast, in shape (for football), and make sure I know what to do and when to do it, and I promise, I will compete my ass off.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 1, 2023 9:20:00 GMT -6
One of ours is we run 400 meters for time during the summer. Starts off as two 400s under the time. We work up to 4-5 of them depending on the time frame for summers and the team we have. Don't think this is the best way to train football players at all, especially lineman. I do like that you up front and honest here and if it works for you, it works.
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